Why is this group so quiet?

Mike Field · Sep 6, 2015

I was just wondering... why is this group so quiet?

With lots of interesting news like:

Microsoft Extends FPGA Reach From Bing To Deep Learning - http://www.theplatform.net/2015/08/27/microsoft-extends-fpga-reach-from-bing-to-deep-learning/

China's FPGA Company - http://www.electronicsweekly.com/mannerisms/fpga/chinas-fpga-company-2015-09/

AMD patent filing hints at FPGA plans in the pipeline - http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/08/11/amd_patent_filing_hints_at_fpga_plans_in_the_pipeline/

I would have expected at least a tiny bit of chatter...

Mike.

HT-Lab · Sep 7, 2015

On 06/09/2015 22:24, Mike Field wrote:
> I was just wondering... why is this group so quiet?

Unfortunately there are too many other sources like LinkedIn,
Stackoverflow, Vendors mailing lists....

I guess young(?) engineers find usenet not "cool" enough, no up/down
votes, no tags for code, no need for a news server, etc

Hans
www.ht-lab.com

With lots of interesting news like:

Microsoft Extends FPGA Reach From Bing To Deep Learning - http://www.theplatform.net/2015/08/27/microsoft-extends-fpga-reach-from-bing-to-deep-learning/

China's FPGA Company - http://www.electronicsweekly.com/mannerisms/fpga/chinas-fpga-company-2015-09/

AMD patent filing hints at FPGA plans in the pipeline - http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/08/11/amd_patent_filing_hints_at_fpga_plans_in_the_pipeline/

I would have expected at least a tiny bit of chatter...

Mike.

kaz · Sep 7, 2015

I was just wondering... why is this group so quiet?

because our next door neighbor is very noisy. Look at DSPrelated.com guys
4 or five of them keep answering everyone, may be they robot members.

Kaz

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rickman · Sep 8, 2015

On 9/6/2015 5:24 PM, Mike Field wrote:

I was just wondering... why is this group so quiet?

With lots of interesting news like:

Microsoft Extends FPGA Reach From Bing To Deep Learning - http://www.theplatform.net/2015/08/27/microsoft-extends-fpga-reach-from-bing-to-deep-learning/

China's FPGA Company - http://www.electronicsweekly.com/mannerisms/fpga/chinas-fpga-company-2015-09/

AMD patent filing hints at FPGA plans in the pipeline - http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/08/11/amd_patent_filing_hints_at_fpga_plans_in_the_pipeline/

AMD getting into the FPGA market would indeed be news. I seriously
doubt that will be happening. There are a lot of financial and patent
barriers.

I can't currently read any of your links, but it could be interesting if
China did get into the FPGA market. But do you think they will market
much in the US? I expect they will be pushed as alternatives to the big
name FPGAs for use in many Chinese products which are more and more
designed in China. There aren't many Chinese chips with much complexity
that are used in other parts of the world. It can be very hard to get
much info that is clear.

Microsoft has their hands in lots of things. That doesn't mean they
will bring it to fruition.

--

Rick

Sep 8, 2015

Den mandag den 7. september 2015 kl. 20.11.10 UTC+2 skrev rickman:

On 9/6/2015 5:24 PM, Mike Field wrote:
I was just wondering... why is this group so quiet?

With lots of interesting news like:

Microsoft Extends FPGA Reach From Bing To Deep Learning - http://www.theplatform.net/2015/08/27/microsoft-extends-fpga-reach-from-bing-to-deep-learning/

China's FPGA Company - http://www.electronicsweekly.com/mannerisms/fpga/chinas-fpga-company-2015-09/

AMD patent filing hints at FPGA plans in the pipeline - http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/08/11/amd_patent_filing_hints_at_fpga_plans_in_the_pipeline/

AMD getting into the FPGA market would indeed be news. I seriously
doubt that will be happening. There are a lot of financial and patent
barriers.

I can't currently read any of your links, but it could be interesting if
China did get into the FPGA market. But do you think they will market
much in the US? I expect they will be pushed as alternatives to the big
name FPGAs for use in many Chinese products which are more and more
designed in China. There aren't many Chinese chips with much complexity
that are used in other parts of the world. It can be very hard to get
much info that is clear.

the company is Gowin semiconductor,

http://hackaday.com/2015/08/24/two-new-fpga-families-designed-in-china/

maybe they will have learned something from Espressif and their ~1$ wifi chip
As soon as English documentation and tools started to appear everyone and his cousin started doing stuff cool with them

-Lasse

Tim Wescott · Sep 8, 2015

On Mon, 07 Sep 2015 10:25:48 -0500, kaz wrote:

I was just wondering... why is this group so quiet?

because our next door neighbor is very noisy. Look at DSPrelated.com
guys,
4 or five of them keep answering everyone, may be they robot members.

If so I'm a pretty damned well programmed robot!

(Actually, I think a USENET question-answering robot would be a cool
thing for someone to try. After lurking for about a year you can answer
most questions by just regurgitating answers to previous questions.)

--

Tim Wescott
Wescott Design Services
http://www.wescottdesign.com

kaz · Sep 9, 2015

(Actually, I think a USENET question-answering robot would be a cool
thing for someone to try. After lurking for about a year you can answe

most questions by just regurgitating answers to previous questions.)

--

Tim Wescott
Wescott Design Services
http://www.wescottdesign.com

The problem of DSPRelated G5 (Gang of 5) is not just answering posts bu
soon they 5 member gang start fighting each other on their comments an
thoughts.

It is in most cases waste of time and words to find any useful post.

Ka
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Tim Wescott · Sep 9, 2015

On Tue, 08 Sep 2015 14:25:39 -0500, kaz wrote:

(Actually, I think a USENET question-answering robot would be a cool
thing for someone to try. After lurking for about a year you can answer

most questions by just regurgitating answers to previous questions.)

--

Tim Wescott Wescott Design Services http://www.wescottdesign.com

The problem of DSPRelated G5 (Gang of 5) is not just answering posts but
soon they 5 member gang start fighting each other on their comments and
thoughts.

It is in most cases waste of time and words to find any useful post.

You may have a point there. So, if I'm going to pass a Turing test does
this mean that I need to get offended easily?

--

Tim Wescott
Wescott Design Services
http://www.wescottdesign.com

Les Cargill · Sep 9, 2015

Tim Wescott wrote:

On Tue, 08 Sep 2015 14:25:39 -0500, kaz wrote:

(Actually, I think a USENET question-answering robot would be a cool
thing for someone to try. After lurking for about a year you can answer

most questions by just regurgitating answers to previous questions.)

--

Tim Wescott Wescott Design Services http://www.wescottdesign.com

The problem of DSPRelated G5 (Gang of 5) is not just answering posts but
soon they 5 member gang start fighting each other on their comments and
thoughts.

It is in most cases waste of time and words to find any useful post.

You may have a point there. So, if I'm going to pass a Turing test does
this mean that I need to get offended easily?

I think people do this when they think they might not pass a Turing
test.

--
Les Cargill

Tim Wescott · Sep 9, 2015

On Tue, 08 Sep 2015 18:09:22 -0500, Les Cargill wrote:

Tim Wescott wrote:
On Tue, 08 Sep 2015 14:25:39 -0500, kaz wrote:

(Actually, I think a USENET question-answering robot would be a cool
thing for someone to try. After lurking for about a year you can
answer

most questions by just regurgitating answers to previous questions.)

--

Tim Wescott Wescott Design Services http://www.wescottdesign.com

The problem of DSPRelated G5 (Gang of 5) is not just answering posts
but soon they 5 member gang start fighting each other on their
comments and thoughts.

It is in most cases waste of time and words to find any useful post.

You may have a point there. So, if I'm going to pass a Turing test
does this mean that I need to get offended easily?

I think people do this when they think they might not pass a Turing
test.

Are you implying I can't pass a Turing test?

I'm offended. Or maybe I'm simulating. Hmm. How to tell?

--

Tim Wescott
Wescott Design Services
http://www.wescottdesign.com

Les Cargill · Sep 9, 2015

Tim Wescott wrote:

On Tue, 08 Sep 2015 18:09:22 -0500, Les Cargill wrote:

Tim Wescott wrote:
On Tue, 08 Sep 2015 14:25:39 -0500, kaz wrote:

(Actually, I think a USENET question-answering robot would be a cool
thing for someone to try. After lurking for about a year you can
answer

most questions by just regurgitating answers to previous questions.)

--

Tim Wescott Wescott Design Services http://www.wescottdesign.com

The problem of DSPRelated G5 (Gang of 5) is not just answering posts
but soon they 5 member gang start fighting each other on their
comments and thoughts.

It is in most cases waste of time and words to find any useful post.

You may have a point there. So, if I'm going to pass a Turing test
does this mean that I need to get offended easily?

I think people do this when they think they might not pass a Turing
test.

Are you implying I can't pass a Turing test?

I am not sure I can because lake bloop forble.

I'm offended. Or maybe I'm simulating. Hmm. How to tell?

--
Les Cargill

kaz · Sep 9, 2015

Tim Wescott wrote:
On Tue, 08 Sep 2015 18:09:22 -0500, Les Cargill wrote:

Tim Wescott wrote:
On Tue, 08 Sep 2015 14:25:39 -0500, kaz wrote:

(Actually, I think a USENET question-answering robot would be
cool
thing for someone to try. After lurking for about a year you can
answer

most questions by just regurgitating answers to previou
questions.)

--

Tim Wescott Wescott Design Services http://www.wescottdesign.com

The problem of DSPRelated G5 (Gang of 5) is not just answerin
posts
but soon they 5 member gang start fighting each other on their
comments and thoughts.

It is in most cases waste of time and words to find any usefu
post.

You may have a point there. So, if I'm going to pass a Turing test
does this mean that I need to get offended easily?

I think people do this when they think they might not pass a Turing
test.

Are you implying I can't pass a Turing test?

I am not sure I can because lake bloop forble.

I'm offended. Or maybe I'm simulating. Hmm. How to tell?

--
Les Cargill

This forum is now under attack by the Robots from next door, really.

ka
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rickman · Sep 9, 2015

On 9/8/2015 5:20 PM, lasselangwadtchristensen@gmail.com wrote:

Den mandag den 7. september 2015 kl. 20.11.10 UTC+2 skrev rickman:
On 9/6/2015 5:24 PM, Mike Field wrote:
I was just wondering... why is this group so quiet?

With lots of interesting news like:

Microsoft Extends FPGA Reach From Bing To Deep Learning - http://www.theplatform.net/2015/08/27/microsoft-extends-fpga-reach-from-bing-to-deep-learning/

China's FPGA Company - http://www.electronicsweekly.com/mannerisms/fpga/chinas-fpga-company-2015-09/

AMD patent filing hints at FPGA plans in the pipeline - http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/08/11/amd_patent_filing_hints_at_fpga_plans_in_the_pipeline/

AMD getting into the FPGA market would indeed be news. I seriously
doubt that will be happening. There are a lot of financial and patent
barriers.

I can't currently read any of your links, but it could be interesting if
China did get into the FPGA market. But do you think they will market
much in the US? I expect they will be pushed as alternatives to the big
name FPGAs for use in many Chinese products which are more and more
designed in China. There aren't many Chinese chips with much complexity
that are used in other parts of the world. It can be very hard to get
much info that is clear.

the company is Gowin semiconductor,

http://hackaday.com/2015/08/24/two-new-fpga-families-designed-in-china/

maybe they will have learned something from Espressif and their ~1$ wifi chip
As soon as English documentation and tools started to appear everyone and his cousin started doing stuff cool with them

Unfortunately I am still fighting computer problems. I am unable to
view a link unless I write it down and copy it to another machine.

--

Rick

Sep 9, 2015

Den onsdag den 9. september 2015 kl. 08.58.47 UTC+2 skrev rickman:

On 9/8/2015 5:20 PM, lasselangwadtchristensen@gmail.com wrote:
Den mandag den 7. september 2015 kl. 20.11.10 UTC+2 skrev rickman:
On 9/6/2015 5:24 PM, Mike Field wrote:
I was just wondering... why is this group so quiet?

With lots of interesting news like:

Microsoft Extends FPGA Reach From Bing To Deep Learning - http://www.theplatform.net/2015/08/27/microsoft-extends-fpga-reach-from-bing-to-deep-learning/

China's FPGA Company - http://www.electronicsweekly.com/mannerisms/fpga/chinas-fpga-company-2015-09/

AMD patent filing hints at FPGA plans in the pipeline - http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/08/11/amd_patent_filing_hints_at_fpga_plans_in_the_pipeline/

AMD getting into the FPGA market would indeed be news. I seriously
doubt that will be happening. There are a lot of financial and patent
barriers.

I can't currently read any of your links, but it could be interesting if
China did get into the FPGA market. But do you think they will market
much in the US? I expect they will be pushed as alternatives to the big
name FPGAs for use in many Chinese products which are more and more
designed in China. There aren't many Chinese chips with much complexity
that are used in other parts of the world. It can be very hard to get
much info that is clear.

the company is Gowin semiconductor,

http://hackaday.com/2015/08/24/two-new-fpga-families-designed-in-china/

maybe they will have learned something from Espressif and their ~1$ wifi chip
As soon as English documentation and tools started to appear everyone and his cousin started doing stuff cool with them

Unfortunately I am still fighting computer problems. I am unable to
view a link unless I write it down and copy it to another machine.

ok, afaict: 55nm, 1152 and 8640 LUTs, on-chip random access flash,
Synopsys' Synplify Pro for synthesis, qfp100 to BGAs

-Lasse

Tim Wescott · Sep 10, 2015

On Wed, 09 Sep 2015 01:09:27 -0500, kaz wrote:

Tim Wescott wrote:
On Tue, 08 Sep 2015 18:09:22 -0500, Les Cargill wrote:

Tim Wescott wrote:
On Tue, 08 Sep 2015 14:25:39 -0500, kaz wrote:

(Actually, I think a USENET question-answering robot would be a
cool
thing for someone to try. After lurking for about a year you can
answer

most questions by just regurgitating answers to previous
questions.)

--

Tim Wescott Wescott Design Services http://www.wescottdesign.com

The problem of DSPRelated G5 (Gang of 5) is not just answering
posts
but soon they 5 member gang start fighting each other on their
comments and thoughts.

It is in most cases waste of time and words to find any useful
post.

You may have a point there. So, if I'm going to pass a Turing test
does this mean that I need to get offended easily?

I think people do this when they think they might not pass a Turing
test.

Are you implying I can't pass a Turing test?

I am not sure I can because lake bloop forble.

I'm offended. Or maybe I'm simulating. Hmm. How to tell?

--
Les Cargill

This forum is now under attack by the Robots from next door, really.

kaz ---------------------------------------
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Your objections sound almost -- robotic.

--
www.wescottdesign.com

rickman · Sep 10, 2015

On 9/9/2015 1:24 PM, lasselangwadtchristensen@gmail.com wrote:

Den onsdag den 9. september 2015 kl. 08.58.47 UTC+2 skrev rickman:
On 9/8/2015 5:20 PM, lasselangwadtchristensen@gmail.com wrote:
Den mandag den 7. september 2015 kl. 20.11.10 UTC+2 skrev rickman:
On 9/6/2015 5:24 PM, Mike Field wrote:
I was just wondering... why is this group so quiet?

With lots of interesting news like:

Microsoft Extends FPGA Reach From Bing To Deep Learning - http://www.theplatform.net/2015/08/27/microsoft-extends-fpga-reach-from-bing-to-deep-learning/

China's FPGA Company - http://www.electronicsweekly.com/mannerisms/fpga/chinas-fpga-company-2015-09/

AMD patent filing hints at FPGA plans in the pipeline - http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/08/11/amd_patent_filing_hints_at_fpga_plans_in_the_pipeline/

AMD getting into the FPGA market would indeed be news. I seriously
doubt that will be happening. There are a lot of financial and patent
barriers.

I can't currently read any of your links, but it could be interesting if
China did get into the FPGA market. But do you think they will market
much in the US? I expect they will be pushed as alternatives to the big
name FPGAs for use in many Chinese products which are more and more
designed in China. There aren't many Chinese chips with much complexity
that are used in other parts of the world. It can be very hard to get
much info that is clear.

the company is Gowin semiconductor,

http://hackaday.com/2015/08/24/two-new-fpga-families-designed-in-china/

maybe they will have learned something from Espressif and their ~1$ wifi chip
As soon as English documentation and tools started to appear everyone and his cousin started doing stuff cool with them

Unfortunately I am still fighting computer problems. I am unable to
view a link unless I write it down and copy it to another machine.

ok, afaict: 55nm, 1152 and 8640 LUTs, on-chip random access flash,
Synopsys' Synplify Pro for synthesis, qfp100 to BGAs

I found their site and only the small part comes in the 100 pin QFP.
The larger part only comes in the 256 and larger BGAs. So no magic for
me. The smaller part has no distributed RAM which seems weird and no
multipliers which is not uncommon.

--

Rick

Jan Coombs · Sep 10, 2015

On Wed, 9 Sep 2015 23:17:25 -0400
rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> wrote:

I found their site and only the small part comes in the 100
pin QFP. The larger part only comes in the 256 and larger
BGAs. So no magic for me. The smaller part has no
distributed RAM which seems weird and no multipliers which is
not uncommon.

Go on, bite the bullet! Try the QFN32 or WLCSP25, you can
get your cheap proto PCBs also from China:

http://dirtypcbs.com/

There are some oddities about the parts; are there really only 3
flops per four LUTs? Anyone seen a patent?

Device | GW1N-1K | GW1N-9K
-------------+-----------+---------
Lut | 1,152 | 8,640
FF | 864 | 6,480
CLU Array | 11x20 |
Dist. RAM | 0 | 17,280
Block SRAM | 72Kb | 198Kb
NVM Bits [1] | 96K | 1,792K
Mult. 18x18 | 0 | 20
Max User IO | 120 | 272
PLLs+DLLs | 0 | 2+3
WLCSP25 | 15 |
QFN32 | 21 |
LQFP100 | 79 |
LQFP144 | 116 |
MBGA160 | 120 |
UBGA204 | 120 |
PBGA204 | 120 |
PBGA256 | | 180
PBGA484 | | 272

[1] Random Access

Abbreviated from:
http://gowinsemi.com.cn/productsShow.aspx?n_id=353

Jan Coombs
--
email valid, else fix dots and hyphen
jan4clf2014@murrayhyphenmicroftdotcodotuk

Svenn Are Bjerkem · Sep 10, 2015

I was just wondering... why is this group so quiet?

Maybe the number of retulars has fallen below the critical mass. Groups seldom show up on google search results when I do search with google. Xilinx has a fairly good support comunity. Few use Microsemi anyway. Few new programming languages for FPGA released every year.

--
Svenn

glen herrmannsfeldt · Sep 11, 2015

rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 9/10/2015 5:13 AM, Jan-54 wrote:

(snip)

There are some oddities about the parts; are there really only 3
flops per four LUTs? Anyone seen a patent?

That is not unusual as you will find in some of the Lattice parts. Also
note that more recent parts have grown the LUTs to 6 inputs which
amounts to having 4 of the 4 input LUTs per FF.

Someone should know the scaling laws for logic, which should show
how the number of FF scales with LUTs, and how 4LUTs scale relative
to 6LUTs.

Note that a 6LUT isn't quite as useful as four 4LUTs.
(Especially if you need a FF at an appropriate point.)

Seems to me that FPGA designers are getting closer to what is actually
used in the usual case, and optimizing more for that.

-- glen

Julian Gardner · Sep 11, 2015

In reply to "Svenn Are Bjerkem" who wrote the following:

I was just wondering... why is this group so quiet?
=20

Maybe the number of retulars has fallen below the critical mass. Groups sel=
dom show up on google search results when I do search with google. Xilinx h=
as a fairly good support comunity. Few use Microsemi anyway. Few new progra=
mming languages for FPGA released every year.=20

--=20
Svenn

I think groups like this are quiet because most people join the specific forums
for a particular chip manufacturer.

If the chip manufacturer's support came on here it would be a lot busier.

joolz

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