Why are engineering sample CPUs illegal to sell?...

[Commander Kinsey]

Why are engineering sample CPUs illegal to sell?

 

[Peeler]

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[Paul]

On 1/3/2022 12:21 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
> Why are engineering sample CPUs illegal to sell?

https://www.intel.ca/content/www/ca/en/support/articles/000056190/processors.html

\"Can I get engineering sample processors from Intel?

Due to the pre-production nature of the engineering sample processors,
they are generally only loaned to OEMs, ODMs, and ISVs for pre-production
test and evaluation work under specific contractual terms and conditions
to assure the protection of assets and confidential information.

Engineering sample processors are not made available
to the general public by Intel.\"

In effect, you\'re in possession of stolen goods.

The whole idea is, no matter what happens, those goods are
not to be circulating in the hands of the public. You could give
them back to the local rep, and he could have them shredded.
(Some factories shred their e-waste to prevent recovery by
waste removal people.)

Those samples could have defects, maybe they don\'t have
a 100,000 hour operating life (early mortality). They might not
even compute properly at full speed. Like an ES 3GHz processor,
there might be an errata sheet in the box, stating you\'re supposed
to run them at 2GHz.

Intel could also mark them with sufficient information, to
trace them back to who received them. To determine who is leaking
them and violating a contract term.

With other manufacturers, those parts are the equivalent of the
\"qual barrel\". And the stuff in the qual barrel, is definitely
not production quality.

Not allowing them to be sold, is to protect *you* from receiving
inferior goods.

Paul

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Mon, 03 Jan 2022 19:46:24 -0000, Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:

On 1/3/2022 12:21 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
Why are engineering sample CPUs illegal to sell?

https://www.intel.ca/content/www/ca/en/support/articles/000056190/processors.html

\"Can I get engineering sample processors from Intel?

Due to the pre-production nature of the engineering sample processors,
they are generally only loaned to OEMs, ODMs, and ISVs for pre-production
test and evaluation work under specific contractual terms and conditions
to assure the protection of assets and confidential information.

Engineering sample processors are not made available
to the general public by Intel.\"

In effect, you\'re in possession of stolen goods.

They\'re not stolen, since Intel don\'t take them back from who they \"lent\" them to.

The whole idea is, no matter what happens, those goods are
not to be circulating in the hands of the public. You could give
them back to the local rep, and he could have them shredded.
(Some factories shred their e-waste to prevent recovery by
waste removal people.)

Those samples could have defects, maybe they don\'t have
a 100,000 hour operating life (early mortality). They might not
even compute properly at full speed. Like an ES 3GHz processor,
there might be an errata sheet in the box, stating you\'re supposed
to run them at 2GHz.

Intel could also mark them with sufficient information, to
trace them back to who received them. To determine who is leaking
them and violating a contract term.

With other manufacturers, those parts are the equivalent of the
\"qual barrel\". And the stuff in the qual barrel, is definitely
not production quality.

Not allowing them to be sold, is to protect *you* from receiving
inferior goods.

They clearly say sample on them. If I bought one knowing it\'s a sample, why would I have a problem?

 

[VanguardLH]

Commander Kinsey <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:

On Mon, 03 Jan 2022 19:46:24 -0000, Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:

On 1/3/2022 12:21 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
Why are engineering sample CPUs illegal to sell?

https://www.intel.ca/content/www/ca/en/support/articles/000056190/processors.html

\"Can I get engineering sample processors from Intel?

Due to the pre-production nature of the engineering sample processors,
they are generally only loaned to OEMs, ODMs, and ISVs for pre-production
test and evaluation work under specific contractual terms and conditions
to assure the protection of assets and confidential information.

Engineering sample processors are not made available
to the general public by Intel.\"

In effect, you\'re in possession of stolen goods.

They\'re not stolen, since Intel don\'t take them back from who they \"lent\" them to.

The whole idea is, no matter what happens, those goods are
not to be circulating in the hands of the public. You could give
them back to the local rep, and he could have them shredded.
(Some factories shred their e-waste to prevent recovery by
waste removal people.)

Those samples could have defects, maybe they don\'t have
a 100,000 hour operating life (early mortality). They might not
even compute properly at full speed. Like an ES 3GHz processor,
there might be an errata sheet in the box, stating you\'re supposed
to run them at 2GHz.

Intel could also mark them with sufficient information, to
trace them back to who received them. To determine who is leaking
them and violating a contract term.

With other manufacturers, those parts are the equivalent of the
\"qual barrel\". And the stuff in the qual barrel, is definitely
not production quality.

Not allowing them to be sold, is to protect *you* from receiving
inferior goods.

They clearly say sample on them. If I bought one knowing it\'s a sample, why would I have a problem?

Someone could rent a car, and then sell it to you. The sale was illegal
by the seller, but YOU are in possesion of stolen property.

WHO sold you the engineering sample?

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Mon, 03 Jan 2022 19:55:47 -0000, VanguardLH <V@nguard.lh> wrote:

NOTE: OP shotgun multi-posted to more than 3 newsgroups. My reply was
submitted to only the relevant newsgroups. Following newsgroups were
omitted in my reply:

uk.legal

Readded, why is this not to do with legalities?

> sci.electronics.basics

A CPU is electronic you utter nitwit.

Commander Kinsey <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
^^^^^^^^^^___ You don\'t own nor have permission to
use this registered & active domain.

They should have thought of that when they sold absolute shite. I\'ll put whatever I want in there. If anyone chooses to email it, they\'re the ones breaking the law.

Why are engineering sample CPUs illegal to sell?

https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/support/articles/000056190/processors.html

They are pre-production processors Intel loans to original equipment
manufacturers (OEMs), original device manufacturers (ODMs), and
independent software vendors (ISVs) to be used in the product design
cycle before product launch.
and

- Produced by Intel are the sole property of Intel.
- Produced by Intel are Intel Confidential.
- Are provided by Intel under nondisclosure and/or special loan
agreement terms with restrictions on the recipient\'s handling and
use.
- Are not for sale or resale.
- May not have passed commercial regulatory requirements.
Are not covered under Intel warranty and are generally not supported
by Intel

You can rent a car. You can test drive a demo. It\'s NOT your car.

Intel don\'t ask for it back like the car rental place does. It\'s given not loaned.

So, just how did YOU acquire an engineering sample? You\'d already know
the answer if you had filled out all the paperwork. Or, WHO is selling
what they claim is an engineering sample?

Why would I grass off someone who supplied me with a nice cheap CPU?

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Mon, 03 Jan 2022 19:55:47 -0000, VanguardLH <V@nguard.lh> wrote:

Commander Kinsey <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
^^^^^^^^^^___ You don\'t own nor have permission to
use this registered & active domain.

Actually it isn\'t. Were you thinking of spam.com? Please pay attention at the back.

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Mon, 03 Jan 2022 19:58:13 -0000, VanguardLH <V@nguard.lh> wrote:

Commander Kinsey <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:

On Mon, 03 Jan 2022 19:46:24 -0000, Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:

On 1/3/2022 12:21 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
Why are engineering sample CPUs illegal to sell?

https://www.intel.ca/content/www/ca/en/support/articles/000056190/processors.html

\"Can I get engineering sample processors from Intel?

Due to the pre-production nature of the engineering sample processors,
they are generally only loaned to OEMs, ODMs, and ISVs for pre-production
test and evaluation work under specific contractual terms and conditions
to assure the protection of assets and confidential information.

Engineering sample processors are not made available
to the general public by Intel.\"

In effect, you\'re in possession of stolen goods.

They\'re not stolen, since Intel don\'t take them back from who they \"lent\" them to.

The whole idea is, no matter what happens, those goods are
not to be circulating in the hands of the public. You could give
them back to the local rep, and he could have them shredded.
(Some factories shred their e-waste to prevent recovery by
waste removal people.)

Those samples could have defects, maybe they don\'t have
a 100,000 hour operating life (early mortality). They might not
even compute properly at full speed. Like an ES 3GHz processor,
there might be an errata sheet in the box, stating you\'re supposed
to run them at 2GHz.

Intel could also mark them with sufficient information, to
trace them back to who received them. To determine who is leaking
them and violating a contract term.

With other manufacturers, those parts are the equivalent of the
\"qual barrel\". And the stuff in the qual barrel, is definitely
not production quality.

Not allowing them to be sold, is to protect *you* from receiving
inferior goods.

They clearly say sample on them. If I bought one knowing it\'s a sample, why would I have a problem?

Someone could rent a car, and then sell it to you. The sale was illegal
by the seller, but YOU are in possesion of stolen property.

WHO sold you the engineering sample?

You\'ve stated those two things in another post, stop repeating yourself.

 

[Peeler]

On Mon, 3 Jan 2022 14:46:24 -0500, Paul, another mentally deficient
troll-feeding senile asshole, blathered:


> In effect, you\'re in possession of stolen goods.

In effect, you\'ve been effectively trolled by the well-known, clinically
insane, Scottish sociopath and attention whore!

 

[Peeler]

On Mon, 3 Jan 2022 13:58:13 -0600, VanguardLH, another mentally challenged,
troll-feeding, senile asshole, babbled:


> Someone could rent a car

Someone could just have trolled you and you taken the retarded troll\'s
latest idiotic bait, senile idiot! <tsk>

 

[Fredxx]

On 03/01/2022 20:41, Commander Kinsey wrote:

On Mon, 03 Jan 2022 19:55:47 -0000, VanguardLH <V@nguard.lh> wrote:

Commander Kinsey <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
                      ^^^^^^^^^^___ You don\'t own nor have permission to
                                    use this registered & active domain.

Actually it isn\'t.  Were you thinking of spam.com?  Please pay attention
at the back.

The only idiot here is the one who thinks that nospam.com isn\'t
registered. It is and you don\'t own the domain.

Do you know how to check?

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Mon, 03 Jan 2022 21:15:15 -0000, Fredxx <fredxx@nospam.invalid> wrote:

On 03/01/2022 20:41, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Mon, 03 Jan 2022 19:55:47 -0000, VanguardLH <V@nguard.lh> wrote:

Commander Kinsey <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
^^^^^^^^^^___ You don\'t own nor have permission to
use this registered & active domain.

Actually it isn\'t. Were you thinking of spam.com? Please pay attention
at the back.

The only idiot here is the one who thinks that nospam.com isn\'t
registered. It is and you don\'t own the domain.

Do you know how to check?

Try going to it. It\'s for sale, just like iurvesiugbstgb.com. You can buy either if you want.

And I\'m not \"using\" the domain by stating it here. Anyone who spams it however, is.

Let me make this simple for your simple mind:
I spot a car that\'s left unlocked. I point it out to you. You steal the car. Who\'s the theif?

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Mon, 03 Jan 2022 21:17:29 -0000, Fredxx <fredxx@nospam.invalid> wrote:

On 03/01/2022 20:40, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Mon, 03 Jan 2022 19:55:47 -0000, VanguardLH <V@nguard.lh> wrote:

NOTE: OP shotgun multi-posted to more than 3 newsgroups. My reply was
submitted to only the relevant newsgroups. Following newsgroups were
omitted in my reply:

uk.legal

Readded, why is this not to do with legalities?

sci.electronics.basics

A CPU is electronic you utter nitwit.

The only nitwit here is one who thinks that no one who posts in the
suggested group has a grasp of the legal aspects of samples.

You\'ve got your negatives mixed up there. I think that some of them do, which is why I posted to that group.

 

[Fredxx]

On 03/01/2022 21:23, Commander Kinsey wrote:

On Mon, 03 Jan 2022 21:15:15 -0000, Fredxx <fredxx@nospam.invalid> wrote:

On 03/01/2022 20:41, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Mon, 03 Jan 2022 19:55:47 -0000, VanguardLH <V@nguard.lh> wrote:

Commander Kinsey <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
                      ^^^^^^^^^^___ You don\'t own nor have
permission to
                                    use this registered & active
domain.

Actually it isn\'t.  Were you thinking of spam.com?  Please pay attention
at the back.

The only idiot here is the one who thinks that nospam.com isn\'t
registered. It is and you don\'t own the domain.

Do you know how to check?

Try going to it.  It\'s for sale, just like iurvesiugbstgb.com.  You can
buy either if you want.

And I\'m not \"using\" the domain by stating it here.  Anyone who spams it
however, is.

Let me make this simple for your simple mind:
I spot a car that\'s left unlocked.  I point it out to you.  You steal
the car.  Who\'s the theif?

You are complicit where you are aiding and abetting the theft through
Joint Enterprise.

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Mon, 03 Jan 2022 21:27:56 -0000, Fredxx <fredxx@nospam.invalid> wrote:

On 03/01/2022 21:23, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Mon, 03 Jan 2022 21:15:15 -0000, Fredxx <fredxx@nospam.invalid> wrote:

On 03/01/2022 20:41, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Mon, 03 Jan 2022 19:55:47 -0000, VanguardLH <V@nguard.lh> wrote:

Commander Kinsey <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
^^^^^^^^^^___ You don\'t own nor have
permission to
use this registered & active
domain.

Actually it isn\'t. Were you thinking of spam.com? Please pay attention
at the back.

The only idiot here is the one who thinks that nospam.com isn\'t
registered. It is and you don\'t own the domain.

Do you know how to check?

Try going to it. It\'s for sale, just like iurvesiugbstgb.com. You can
buy either if you want.

And I\'m not \"using\" the domain by stating it here. Anyone who spams it
however, is.

Let me make this simple for your simple mind:
I spot a car that\'s left unlocked. I point it out to you. You steal
the car. Who\'s the theif?

You are complicit where you are aiding and abetting the theft through
Joint Enterprise.

Stop being such a pedantic fuckwit. There is no judge on this earth who would do me for saying to you, \"hey that car\'s not locked\".

 

[Phil Allison]

Paul wrote:
=========

Why are engineering sample CPUs illegal to sell?

Due to the pre-production nature of the engineering sample processors,
they are generally only loaned to OEMs, ODMs, and ISVs for pre-production
test and evaluation work under specific contractual terms and conditions
to assure the protection of assets and confidential information.

Engineering sample processors are not made available
to the general public by Intel.\"

In effect, you\'re in possession of stolen goods.

The whole idea is, no matter what happens, those goods are
not to be circulating in the hands of the public. You could give
them back to the local rep, and he could have them shredded.
(Some factories shred their e-waste to prevent recovery by
waste removal people.)

Those samples could have defects, maybe they don\'t have
a 100,000 hour operating life (early mortality). They might not
even compute properly at full speed. Like an ES 3GHz processor,
there might be an errata sheet in the box, stating you\'re supposed
to run them at 2GHz.

Intel could also mark them with sufficient information, to
trace them back to who received them. To determine who is leaking
them and violating a contract term.

With other manufacturers, those parts are the equivalent of the
\"qual barrel\". And the stuff in the qual barrel, is definitely
not production quality.

Not allowing them to be sold, is to protect *you* from receiving
inferior goods.

** True story:

A manufacturer here in Sydney ( Jands Electronics) made a \"pre-production\" batch of a new model power amplifier for professional use.
They wisely chose to road test it in the expected environment - on the road with live bands.
They proved to be problematic in several respects and the design was heavily revised for the production version.
The sample amps were fully labelled with the maker\'s logo and the same model number as the later versions.
Think there were about 20 of them, put into storage for eventual disposal.

Then an enterprising staff member obtained them and decided he could sell them all to a local second hand dealer - letting him believe they were just like the regular models on sale at the time - but for a very low price so giving him a large mark up.

One soon wound up on my bench, biggest lemon I ever saw - full of design problems that no tech could fix.
I rang the manufacturer and spoke with the production manager ( Ed) whom I knew.
He groaned when I described the amp and it\'s issues saying they should never have left the factory.
\" If that amp came back to us - we would refuse to accept it\" - he remarked.

I had to explain this to the owner and the dodgy dealer - neither of whom were inclined to believe me.
Very nasty situation far any repair tech to be caught up in.
Other owners who had been scammed called me and I advised them to return the amp/s to the same dealer for a refund.

Later I met up with the guy who had done the dirty deal, what an utter asshole.


....... Phil

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Mon, 03 Jan 2022 22:01:31 -0000, Phil Allison <pallison49@gmail.com> wrote:

Paul wrote:
=========

Why are engineering sample CPUs illegal to sell?

Due to the pre-production nature of the engineering sample processors,
they are generally only loaned to OEMs, ODMs, and ISVs for pre-production
test and evaluation work under specific contractual terms and conditions
to assure the protection of assets and confidential information.

Engineering sample processors are not made available
to the general public by Intel.\"

In effect, you\'re in possession of stolen goods.

The whole idea is, no matter what happens, those goods are
not to be circulating in the hands of the public. You could give
them back to the local rep, and he could have them shredded.
(Some factories shred their e-waste to prevent recovery by
waste removal people.)

Those samples could have defects, maybe they don\'t have
a 100,000 hour operating life (early mortality). They might not
even compute properly at full speed. Like an ES 3GHz processor,
there might be an errata sheet in the box, stating you\'re supposed
to run them at 2GHz.

Intel could also mark them with sufficient information, to
trace them back to who received them. To determine who is leaking
them and violating a contract term.

With other manufacturers, those parts are the equivalent of the
\"qual barrel\". And the stuff in the qual barrel, is definitely
not production quality.

Not allowing them to be sold, is to protect *you* from receiving
inferior goods.

** True story:

A manufacturer here in Sydney ( Jands Electronics) made a \"pre-production\" batch of a new model power amplifier for professional use.
They wisely chose to road test it in the expected environment - on the road with live bands.
They proved to be problematic in several respects and the design was heavily revised for the production version.
The sample amps were fully labelled with the maker\'s logo and the same model number as the later versions.

Well that was pretty stupid of them. At least Intel stamp their CPUs with \"engineering sample\".

Think there were about 20 of them, put into storage for eventual disposal.

Then an enterprising staff member obtained them and decided he could sell them all to a local second hand dealer - letting him believe they were just like the regular models on sale at the time - but for a very low price so giving him a large mark up.

So he lied. But my question was about selling them as engineering samples.

 

[Phil Allison]

Commander Kinsey Raving Lunatic wrote:
====================

** True story:

A manufacturer here in Sydney ( Jands Electronics) made a \"pre-production\" batch of a new model power amplifier for professional use.
They wisely chose to road test it in the expected environment - on the road with live bands.
They proved to be problematic in several respects and the design was heavily revised for the production version.
The sample amps were fully labelled with the maker\'s logo and the same model number as the later versions.

Well that was pretty stupid of them.

** Not at all - if problems were small or fixable the amps would have been used in the same company\'s hire business.
Needed to look right for that job.

Think there were about 20 of them, put into storage for eventual disposal.

Then an enterprising staff member obtained them and decided he could sell them all to a local second hand dealer
- letting him believe they were just like the regular models on sale at the time - but for a very low price so giving him a large mark up.

So he lied.

** No. He deceived a gullible fool and sold items that wound up hurting the company he worked for.

> But my question was about selling them as engineering samples.

** The situations are parallel.

In both cases the items were not meant for sale for good reasons.
And assholes like YOU wanted to circumvent that decision for their own benefit.


....... Phil

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Mon, 03 Jan 2022 22:44:24 -0000, Phil Allison <pallison49@gmail.com> wrote:

Commander Kinsey Raving Lunatic wrote:
====================

** True story:

A manufacturer here in Sydney ( Jands Electronics) made a \"pre-production\" batch of a new model power amplifier for professional use.
They wisely chose to road test it in the expected environment - on the road with live bands.
They proved to be problematic in several respects and the design was heavily revised for the production version.
The sample amps were fully labelled with the maker\'s logo and the same model number as the later versions.

Well that was pretty stupid of them.

** Not at all - if problems were small or fixable the amps would have been used in the same company\'s hire business.
Needed to look right for that job.

No need to have the same model number.

Think there were about 20 of them, put into storage for eventual disposal.

Then an enterprising staff member obtained them and decided he could sell them all to a local second hand dealer
- letting him believe they were just like the regular models on sale at the time - but for a very low price so giving him a large mark up.

So he lied.

** No. He deceived a gullible fool and sold items that wound up hurting the company he worked for.

That is a lie, he did not say they were tests.

But my question was about selling them as engineering samples.

** The situations are parallel.

In both cases the items were not meant for sale for good reasons.
And assholes like YOU wanted to circumvent that decision for their own benefit.

No, if I buy an engineering sample advertised as such, I don\'t expect it to work perfectly.

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[VanguardLH]

Commander Kinsey <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:

On Mon, 03 Jan 2022 19:58:13 -0000, VanguardLH <V@nguard.lh> wrote:

Commander Kinsey <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:

On Mon, 03 Jan 2022 19:46:24 -0000, Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:

On 1/3/2022 12:21 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
Why are engineering sample CPUs illegal to sell?

https://www.intel.ca/content/www/ca/en/support/articles/000056190/processors.html

\"Can I get engineering sample processors from Intel?

Due to the pre-production nature of the engineering sample processors,
they are generally only loaned to OEMs, ODMs, and ISVs for pre-production
test and evaluation work under specific contractual terms and conditions
to assure the protection of assets and confidential information.

Engineering sample processors are not made available
to the general public by Intel.\"

In effect, you\'re in possession of stolen goods.

They\'re not stolen, since Intel don\'t take them back from who they \"lent\" them to.

The whole idea is, no matter what happens, those goods are
not to be circulating in the hands of the public. You could give
them back to the local rep, and he could have them shredded.
(Some factories shred their e-waste to prevent recovery by
waste removal people.)

Those samples could have defects, maybe they don\'t have
a 100,000 hour operating life (early mortality). They might not
even compute properly at full speed. Like an ES 3GHz processor,
there might be an errata sheet in the box, stating you\'re supposed
to run them at 2GHz.

Intel could also mark them with sufficient information, to
trace them back to who received them. To determine who is leaking
them and violating a contract term.

With other manufacturers, those parts are the equivalent of the
\"qual barrel\". And the stuff in the qual barrel, is definitely
not production quality.

Not allowing them to be sold, is to protect *you* from receiving
inferior goods.

They clearly say sample on them. If I bought one knowing it\'s a sample, why would I have a problem?

Someone could rent a car, and then sell it to you. The sale was illegal
by the seller, but YOU are in possesion of stolen property.

WHO sold you the engineering sample?

You\'ve stated those two things in another post, stop repeating yourself.

Still applicable. That was the best retort you could come up with? And
you STILL haven\'t answered who sold you or is selling those samples.
Hmm, maybe you\'re the seller. Reminds of the scammers on eBay that
slice up a volume license to separate individual buyers.