why address pin 14-15 tied for a 27c256 ROM ?

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robb

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my microcontroller board has installed a 23256AC (i.e. 27c256
style) ROM chip with 8031 MCU...

I traced the ROM chip's pins to be (reasonably) sure that i was
selecting a correct/compatible eprom chip setup for ***reading***
this ROM chip on an e(e)prom programmer, as the programmer did
not show direct support for the chip.

When tracing connections i found that (pin 1 - NC) on the chip
was tied to (pin 27 - A14) and these connected to (Addr 14) on
the MCU

is there a design reason for doing that, maybe prevent using a
27c512 chip for example ?


so for different ROM chips that means that

Chip Pin 1 -> Pin 27 = ?result/purpose?
--------------------------------------------------------
23128 NC -> PGM = no prob
27c128 Vprog -> PGM = ???

23256 NC -> A14 = no prob
27c256 Vprog -> A14 = ???

27c512 A15 -> A14 = **???
-------------------------------------------------------

Does this mean i can not use a 27c512 chip ?
or maybe it is a simple way to prevent a floating address line ?

any ideas on this greatly appreciated,
robb
 
On Thu, 13 Dec 2007 00:33:50 -0500, "robb" <some@where.on.net> wrote:

my microcontroller board has installed a 23256AC (i.e. 27c256
style) ROM chip with 8031 MCU...

I traced the ROM chip's pins to be (reasonably) sure that i was
selecting a correct/compatible eprom chip setup for ***reading***
this ROM chip on an e(e)prom programmer, as the programmer did
not show direct support for the chip.

When tracing connections i found that (pin 1 - NC) on the chip
was tied to (pin 27 - A14) and these connected to (Addr 14) on
the MCU

is there a design reason for doing that, maybe prevent using a
27c512 chip for example ?


so for different ROM chips that means that

Chip Pin 1 -> Pin 27 = ?result/purpose?
--------------------------------------------------------
23128 NC -> PGM = no prob
27c128 Vprog -> PGM = ???

23256 NC -> A14 = no prob
27c256 Vprog -> A14 = ???

27c512 A15 -> A14 = **???
-------------------------------------------------------

Does this mean i can not use a 27c512 chip ?
or maybe it is a simple way to prevent a floating address line ?
Click to expand...
Maybe it has some advantages (I'm just a hobbyist and not a hardware
guy), but I guess the same effect could have been achieved by tying
the NC pin to GND?

If the reason for wanting to use a higher capacity chip is that these
are more readily available, you could IMHO use a 27c512 if you keep
within half the capacity (32K) and program those it twice into both
"halves". That is contents from 0x0000 to 0x7fff should be the same as
from 0x8000 to 0xffff.

Half of its memory would be wasted / redundant.

If the reason for wanting to use a 27c512 is the additional 32K, then
you'll have to cut the A15->A14 trace and somehow get the A15 address
line from the CPU bus to the chip. (Make sure that it is not used
otherwise though, e.g. as a simple enable line for some other memory
mapped hardware, to save address decoding hardware)

Regards,
Gilles.
 
robb wrote:

my microcontroller board has installed a 23256AC (i.e. 27c256
style) ROM chip with 8031 MCU...

I traced the ROM chip's pins to be (reasonably) sure that i was
selecting a correct/compatible eprom chip setup for ***reading***
this ROM chip on an e(e)prom programmer, as the programmer did
not show direct support for the chip.

When tracing connections i found that (pin 1 - NC) on the chip
was tied to (pin 27 - A14) and these connected to (Addr 14) on
the MCU

is there a design reason for doing that, maybe prevent using a
27c512 chip for example ?

so for different ROM chips that means that

Chip Pin 1 -> Pin 27 = ?result/purpose?
--------------------------------------------------------
23128 NC -> PGM = no prob
27c128 Vprog -> PGM = ???

23256 NC -> A14 = no prob
27c256 Vprog -> A14 = ???

27c512 A15 -> A14 = **???
-------------------------------------------------------

Does this mean i can not use a 27c512 chip ?
or maybe it is a simple way to prevent a floating address line ?
Click to expand...
I forget the reason, it's been ages since I used an Eprom rather than
parts with internal flash memory but there was some good reason for it
IIRC.

Yes, it may stop a 27512 being used on that board.

Graham
 
robb wrote:
my microcontroller board has installed a 23256AC (i.e. 27c256
style) ROM chip with 8031 MCU...

I traced the ROM chip's pins to be (reasonably) sure that i was
selecting a correct/compatible eprom chip setup for ***reading***
this ROM chip on an e(e)prom programmer, as the programmer did
not show direct support for the chip.

When tracing connections i found that (pin 1 - NC) on the chip
was tied to (pin 27 - A14) and these connected to (Addr 14) on
the MCU

is there a design reason for doing that, maybe prevent using a
27c512 chip for example ?


so for different ROM chips that means that

Chip Pin 1 -> Pin 27 = ?result/purpose?
--------------------------------------------------------
23128 NC -> PGM = no prob
27c128 Vprog -> PGM = ???

23256 NC -> A14 = no prob
27c256 Vprog -> A14 = ???

27c512 A15 -> A14 = **???
-------------------------------------------------------

Does this mean i can not use a 27c512 chip ?
or maybe it is a simple way to prevent a floating address line ?

any ideas on this greatly appreciated,
robb
Click to expand...
Yes, you can use a 27C512, or a MTP equivalent such
as SST27SF512.
All you have to do, is duplicate the 256K code, in both halves.
Then, when A15 flips, an identical code copy is found.

-jg
 
"Gilles Kohl" <gilles_delete_this@compuserve.com> wrote in
message news:k1k1m3h7enar0sl4kaj1kv6t0ivjig4jpu@4ax.com...
On Thu, 13 Dec 2007 00:33:50 -0500, "robb" <some@where.on.net
wrote:

my microcontroller board has installed a 23256AC (i.e. 27c256
style) ROM chip with 8031 MCU...

When tracing connections i found that (pin 1 - NC) on the chip
was tied to (pin 27 - A14) and these connected to (Addr 14)
on
the MCU

is there a design reason for doing that, maybe prevent using a
27c512 chip for example ?

Maybe it has some advantages (I'm just a hobbyist and not a
hardware
guy), but I guess the same effect could have been achieved by
tying
the NC pin to GND?

If the reason for wanting to use a higher capacity chip is that
these
are more readily available, you could IMHO use a 27c512 if you
keep
within half the capacity (32K) and program those it twice into
both
"halves". That is contents from 0x0000 to 0x7fff should be the
same as
from 0x8000 to 0xffff.

Half of its memory would be wasted / redundant.

If the reason for wanting to use a 27c512 is the additional
32K, then
you'll have to cut the A15->A14 trace and somehow get the A15
address
line from the CPU bus to the chip. (Make sure that it is not
used
otherwise though, e.g. as a simple enable line for some other
memory
mapped hardware, to save address decoding hardware)

Regards,
Gilles.

thanks for the reply,
Click to expand...
appologies for my late reply

I do not need the 512k i just wondered if prevention of 512k was
a reason to design that addr15 to addr14 connection instead of
leave it floating or tie it to ground as you suggested.

thanks for the reply and ideas.
robb
 
"Eeyore" <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote in
message news:4760F22D.93365F28@hotmail.com...
my microcontroller board has installed a 23256AC (i.e. 27c256
style) ROM chip with 8031 MCU...

When tracing connections i found that (pin 1 - NC) on the
chip
was tied to (pin 27 - A14) and these connected to (Addr 14)
on
the MCU

is there a design reason for doing that, maybe prevent using
a
27c512 chip for example ?

I forget the reason, it's been ages since I used an Eprom
rather than
parts with internal flash memory but there was some good reason
for it
IIRC.

Yes, it may stop a 27512 being used on that board.

Graham
Click to expand...
thanks for help graham
robb
 
"Jim Granville" <no.spam@designtools.maps.co.nz> wrote in message
news:4760fc6e@clear.net.nz...
robb wrote:
my microcontroller board has installed a 23256AC (i.e. 27c256
style) ROM chip with 8031 MCU...

When tracing connections i found that (pin 1 - NC) on the
chip
was tied to (pin 27 - A14) and these connected to (Addr 14)
on
the MCU

is there a design reason for doing that, maybe prevent using
a
27c512 chip for example ?


Yes, you can use a 27C512, or a MTP equivalent such
as SST27SF512.
All you have to do, is duplicate the 256K code, in both halves.
Then, when A15 flips, an identical code copy is found.
Click to expand...
thanks for info and help Jim,
robb
 
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