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Are we not lucky here?With symphony orchestras, there is a definate 'pecking order' and recording
engineers are in the 'untouchable' or 'dirty peasant' class. I was told that
I was NOT to talk to the conductor (not even introduce myself) or the
members of the orchestra, but that the admin staff and Orchestra Chair would
do the negotiating.
In engineering-centric companies, like Agilent or Tek, the engineersSome peoples attitude to this side of engineering, is quite
"interesting".
I picked this "plum" from rec.audio.pro
With symphony orchestras, there is a definate 'pecking order' and recording
engineers are in the 'untouchable' or 'dirty peasant' class. I was told that
I was NOT to talk to the conductor (not even introduce myself) or the
members of the orchestra, but that the admin staff and Orchestra Chair would
do the negotiating.
Are we not lucky here?
A lot of it is just not being awake.On Wed, 20 Apr 2005 16:33:05 +0200, martin griffith
martingriffith@XXyahoo.co.uk> wrote:
Some peoples attitude to this side of engineering, is quite
"interesting".
I picked this "plum" from rec.audio.pro
With symphony orchestras, there is a definate 'pecking order' and recording
engineers are in the 'untouchable' or 'dirty peasant' class. I was told that
I was NOT to talk to the conductor (not even introduce myself) or the
members of the orchestra, but that the admin staff and Orchestra Chair would
do the negotiating.
Are we not lucky here?
In engineering-centric companies, like Agilent or Tek, the engineers
are at the top of the food chain. In more science-oriented settings,
analytical chemistry or medical stuff, engineers are way down the
heirarchy. It's similar in software: if you're a programmer for
Google, you're hip; if you maintain patient records software in a
hospital, the MDs are the superstars so they stick you in a windowless
hovel in the basement and pretend you don't exist.
Engineers who are not superstars develop coping mechanisms with
various degrees of disfunctionality.
Somebody should tell senior EE students about stuff like this.
John
Some peoples attitude to this side of engineering, is quite
"interesting".
I picked this "plum" from rec.audio.pro
With symphony orchestras, there is a definate 'pecking order' and recording
engineers are in the 'untouchable' or 'dirty peasant' class. I was told that
I was NOT to talk to the conductor (not even introduce myself) or the
members of the orchestra, but that the admin staff and Orchestra Chair would
do the negotiating.
Are we not lucky here?
I'd tell anyone feeding me such shit to go f**k themselves actually.Some peoples attitude to this side of engineering, is quite
"interesting".
I picked this "plum" from rec.audio.pro
With symphony orchestras, there is a definate 'pecking order' and recording
engineers are in the 'untouchable' or 'dirty peasant' class. I was told that
I was NOT to talk to the conductor (not even introduce myself) or the
members of the orchestra, but that the admin staff and Orchestra Chair would
do the negotiating.
Are we not lucky here?
Let's face it. They won't be doing much without you !martin griffith wrote:
Some peoples attitude to this side of engineering, is quite
"interesting".
I picked this "plum" from rec.audio.pro
With symphony orchestras, there is a definate 'pecking order' and recording
engineers are in the 'untouchable' or 'dirty peasant' class. I was told that
I was NOT to talk to the conductor (not even introduce myself) or the
members of the orchestra, but that the admin staff and Orchestra Chair would
do the negotiating.
Are we not lucky here?
I would just smile and tell them to piss off, that I do not waste my
time on primadonas as I walked out the door.
Let's face it. They won't be doing much without you !
Yes, but this probably has something to do with all those people callingmartin griffith wrote:
Some peoples attitude to this side of engineering, is quite
"interesting".
I picked this "plum" from rec.audio.pro
With symphony orchestras, there is a definate 'pecking order' and
recording engineers are in the 'untouchable' or 'dirty peasant'
class. I was told that I was NOT to talk to the conductor (not even
introduce myself) or the members of the orchestra, but that the
admin staff and Orchestra Chair would do the negotiating.
Are we not lucky here?
I'd tell anyone feeding me such shit to go f**k themselves actually.
Classic 'oily rag' syndrome. Popular in the UK where 'engineers' are
considered to be the same as technicians or mechanics. Class
prejudice rools OK.....
Lotsa people, apparently. Australia graduates about 1000 recordingwho wants to be a "recording" engineer?
Yus..... Might have something to do with Kylie Minogue and Olivia Newtonwho wants to be a "recording" engineer?
Lotsa people, apparently. Australia graduates about 1000 recording
engineers a year, in a country where there are maybe 30 jobs a year.
Go figure what will happen if you tell them to "shove it".
who wants to be a "recording" engineer?
Lotsa people, apparently. Australia graduates about 1000 recording
engineers a year, in a country where there are maybe 30 jobs a year.
Go figure what will happen if you tell them to "shove it".
_Graduate_ recording engineer? What will they think of next?
That's not my experience Kevin. At least not at the level where you'rePooh Bear wrote:
martin griffith wrote:
Some peoples attitude to this side of engineering, is quite
"interesting".
I picked this "plum" from rec.audio.pro
With symphony orchestras, there is a definate 'pecking order' and
recording engineers are in the 'untouchable' or 'dirty peasant'
class. I was told that I was NOT to talk to the conductor (not even
introduce myself) or the members of the orchestra, but that the
admin staff and Orchestra Chair would do the negotiating.
Are we not lucky here?
I'd tell anyone feeding me such shit to go f**k themselves actually.
Classic 'oily rag' syndrome. Popular in the UK where 'engineers' are
considered to be the same as technicians or mechanics. Class
prejudice rools OK.....
Yes, but this probably has something to do with all those people calling
themselves "engineers" that don't do much more then wave an oily rag.
With all due respect to "sound engineers", they are indeed at the
equivalent level of technicians and mechanics.
I know where you're coming from. Such guys *don't* mix gold and platinumUsually, less as most
real technicians and mechanics go through recognised apprenticeships
with formal qualifications (e.g. City and Guilds, ONC, HNC). Just about
anyone twiddling faders on a desk calls themselves a "sound engineer".
Ahhhh - so the trend to 'overeducate' with disregard to actual jobwho wants to be a "recording" engineer?
Lotsa people, apparently. Australia graduates about 1000 recording
engineers a year, in a country where there are maybe 30 jobs a year.
Go figure what will happen if you tell them to "shove it".
How time has passed !"Clifford Heath" <no@spam.please> wrote in message
news:1114086177.8a89dd328af0db9440dab11cd60a53f8@teranews...
who wants to be a "recording" engineer?
Lotsa people, apparently. Australia graduates about 1000 recording
engineers a year, in a country where there are maybe 30 jobs a year.
Go figure what will happen if you tell them to "shove it".
Yus..... Might have something to do with Kylie Minogue and Olivia Newton
John.
Slurpppppp
The Germans have been doing it for decades with their 'Tonmeister'In article <1114086177.8a89dd328af0db9440dab11cd60a53f8@teranews>,
no@spam.please says...
who wants to be a "recording" engineer?
Lotsa people, apparently. Australia graduates about 1000 recording
engineers a year, in a country where there are maybe 30 jobs a year.
Go figure what will happen if you tell them to "shove it".
_Graduate_ recording engineer? What will they think of next?
But I am not specifically discussing those at that level, I amKevin Aylward wrote:
Pooh Bear wrote:
martin griffith wrote:
Some peoples attitude to this side of engineering, is quite
"interesting".
I picked this "plum" from rec.audio.pro
With symphony orchestras, there is a definate 'pecking order' and
recording engineers are in the 'untouchable' or 'dirty peasant'
class. I was told that I was NOT to talk to the conductor (not
even introduce myself) or the members of the orchestra, but that
the admin staff and Orchestra Chair would do the negotiating.
Are we not lucky here?
I'd tell anyone feeding me such shit to go f**k themselves actually.
Classic 'oily rag' syndrome. Popular in the UK where 'engineers' are
considered to be the same as technicians or mechanics. Class
prejudice rools OK.....
Yes, but this probably has something to do with all those people
calling themselves "engineers" that don't do much more then wave an
oily rag. With all due respect to "sound engineers", they are indeed
at the equivalent level of technicians and mechanics.
That's not my experience Kevin. At least not at the level where you're
dealing with a symphony orchestra.
This is not about intelligence. Its about educational level, andOne of the most intelligent men ( in *every respect * ) I ever met
was a sound recordist.
Probabbly, not. Why do you propose this is the case?Usually, less as most
real technicians and mechanics go through recognised apprenticeships
with formal qualifications (e.g. City and Guilds, ONC, HNC). Just
about anyone twiddling faders on a desk calls themselves a "sound
engineer".
I know where you're coming from. Such guys *don't* mix gold and
platinum discs though.
Genome wrote:
"Clifford Heath" <no@spam.please> wrote in message
news:1114086177.8a89dd328af0db9440dab11cd60a53f8@teranews...
who wants to be a "recording" engineer?
Lotsa people, apparently. Australia graduates about 1000 recording
engineers a year, in a country where there are maybe 30 jobs a year.
Go figure what will happen if you tell them to "shove it".
Yus..... Might have something to do with Kylie Minogue and Olivia Newton
John.
Slurpppppp
How time has passed !
I did a gig once at Borehamwood's Civic Hall where I met a 16 yo Sonja
Christina ( Curved Air ). I met her later when she was about 30 - she'd
visibly aged ( but was still v. attractive ) ! Rock 'n Roll can do that to
you.
Graham
you didnt work at FWO Bauch did you?
http://www.sonjakristina.com/Genome wrote:
"Clifford Heath" <no@spam.please> wrote in message
news:1114086177.8a89dd328af0db9440dab11cd60a53f8@teranews...
who wants to be a "recording" engineer?
Lotsa people, apparently. Australia graduates about 1000 recording
engineers a year, in a country where there are maybe 30 jobs a year.
Go figure what will happen if you tell them to "shove it".
Yus..... Might have something to do with Kylie Minogue and Olivia Newton
John.
Slurpppppp
How time has passed !
I did a gig once at Borehamwood's Civic Hall where I met a 16 yo Sonja
Christina ( Curved Air ). I met her later when she was about 30 - she'd
visibly aged ( but was still v. attractive ) ! Rock 'n Roll can do that to
you.
Graham
Where can I get a job as a Coffee Simulator!!!!!!!"Kevin Aylward" <see_website@anasoft.co.uk> wrote
Yes, but this probably has something to do with all those people calling
themselves "engineers"
And to do with employers who mis-label jobs.
At the last place I worked the coffee simulator was re-filled and had
its dripping bits wiped by a contracted female. She announced that
she was going to apply for an "engineer"'s job so could mend them.
Well, I work as a coffee assimilator. Is that close enough?"dB" <dmb06851@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1757808.0504211027.7bc036d7@posting.google.com...
"Kevin Aylward" <see_website@anasoft.co.uk> wrote
Yes, but this probably has something to do with all those people calling
themselves "engineers"
And to do with employers who mis-label jobs.
At the last place I worked the coffee simulator was re-filled and had
its dripping bits wiped by a contracted female. She announced that
she was going to apply for an "engineer"'s job so could mend them.
Where can I get a job as a Coffee Simulator!!!!!!!