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Tsunami must be fault of the US

The Australian Times 31 Dec 04

INEVITABLY, confronted with a tragedy of unimaginable scale, the
human mind looks for someone to blame. In the Dark Ages,
disasters were ascribed to the wrath of God. Now, in an odd
inversion that we like to think of as progress, they are adduced
as evidence of no God.

In the absence of a deity to decry or appease when the earth
moves in such devastating fashion, humankind reaches for the next
best thing - worldly authority. Authority should have known it
was coming. Authority didn't do enough to prevent it. Authority
was too preoccupied with its own nefarious priorities to care.

There is plenty of authority to blame for the devastation caused
by the Sumatran earthquake this week. Governments in Bangkok,
Jakarta and Colombo will shoulder some of it. Governments farther
afield will be inculpated for the poverty of their response.
Media organisations will be attacked for being too callous and
too mawkish. Unsurprisingly, perhaps the most inviting target is
the US.

In the past three days I have been impressed by the originality
of the latest critiques of the evil Americans. The earthquake and
tsunami apparently had something to do with global warming,
environmentalists say, caused of course by greedy American
motorists. Then there was the rumour that the US military base at
Diego Garcia was forewarned of the impending disaster and
presumably because of some CIA-approved plot to undermine Islamic
movements in Indonesia and Thailand did nothing about it.

To be fair, even the most animated America-hater, though, baulks
at the idea of blaming George W. Bush for the destruction and
death in southern Asia. But the US is blamed for not responding
generously enough to help the victims of the catastrophe. A UN
official this week derided Washington's contribution as stingy.

It is a label that fits the general image abroad of greedy,
self-absorbed Americans. They neither know nor care much about
the woes of the rest of the world, do they? Did the tsunami even
get a look-in on US TV news between the holiday schmalz and the
football games, I have been sneeringly asked once or twice this
week by contemptuous British friends.

The answer is yes, it did. News coverage of the event has been
extensive, and for the most part intelligent and mercifully free
of the sort of parochialism about holidaymakers that
characterises so much of the European press accounts. There have
been some lapses -- the New York newspaper that carried on its
front page the Manhattan supermodel's harrowing tale of survival
as her boyfriend was swept away by a tidal wave. There has
perhaps been a little too much "what if it happened here?"
alarmist self-absorption.

But for the most part Americans have watched a sobering,
heartbreaking tale of unimagined calamity unfold halfway across
the world. You get a sense of the heterogeneity of this country
when something such as this happens. Every newspaper in every big
city has been carrying stories about local Sri Lankan,
Indonesian, Thai and Malaysian communities traumatised by the
long-distance search for relatives and friends.

Further, in financial terms, it is not at all clear that the US
is shirking its responsibilities, pledging an initial $US35
million ($45.1million) in aid, with the prospect of much more to
come, and offering military assistance. You can be sure that the
private US response will be even more impressive. Don't
misunderstand me. I am not suggesting that Americans are any more
generous than anyone else -- simply that they, too, are moved to
mercy by the plight of others.

But even as we seek to apportion blame when catastrophe strikes,
we are gripped too by a kind of fatalism. We stand in awe of
nature and feel helpless before its apparently insuperable power.
The rising death toll in Southeast Asia seems to mock our
pretensions to progress. We may have been to the moon, eradicated
smallpox and created eBay, we think, but when the tectonic plates
move we are no more secure than were the barefoot citizens of
Pompeii.

Yet the truth is not so grim. For centuries, steady progress has
been made in the struggle to limit the effects of natural
disasters. Last year, an earthquake that measured 6.6 on the
Richter scale killed more than 40,000 people in the Iranian city
of Bam. In 1989, a more powerful earthquake struck outside San
Francisco. The death toll was fewer than 100. Of course there
were demographic and geologic differences that contributed to the
disparity. Of course there will never be a fail-safe protection
against the most destructive efforts of nature. But it is within
our reach to build systems that can mitigate their effects.

Years of scientific effort and technological investment have
given the world seismic sensors; early warning systems; buildings
that can bounce up and down on stilts buried deep in the earth;
flood barriers and other techniques. We can discern the outlines
of a strategy for preventing, or at least limiting future
disasters.

As we contemplate nature's fearful capacity for destruction and
our apparent helplessness, we should not forget the greater
tragedy that is humankind's potential for self-destruction. It
was humanity, not nature, that killed tens of millions in the
wars and genocides of the 20th century. Even as we master
techniques to protect us from the earth's violence, we perfect
new, more effective means of delivering our own.

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/printpage/0,5942,11813903,00.html
 
On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 12:51:27 +0000, Guy Macon
<_see.web.page_@_www.guymacon.com_> wrote:

Tsunami must be fault of the US

The Australian Times 31 Dec 04

INEVITABLY, confronted with a tragedy of unimaginable scale, the
human mind looks for someone to blame. In the Dark Ages,
disasters were ascribed to the wrath of God. Now, in an odd
inversion that we like to think of as progress, they are adduced
as evidence of no God.

Someone has pointed out that Australia has been the most consistent
ally of the US throughout history.

John
 
Guy said -
As we contemplate nature's fearful capacity for destruction and
our apparent helplessness, we should not forget the greater
tragedy that is humankind's potential for self-destruction.
==================================

It's not a tragedy. It's normal.
We can't help it.
It's built into our selfish genes.
Otherwise we wouldn't be here.
And neither would worries about genocide and earthquakes.
----
Reg.
 
Someone has pointed out that Australia has been the most consistent
ally of the US throughout history.

========================

Yeah, and someone else wonders when and how they will be paid for their
services.

Will the Abbo's get their fair share of the takings?
 
On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 17:06:18 +0000 (UTC), "Reg Edwards"
<g4fgq.regp@ZZZbtinternet.com> wrote:

Someone has pointed out that Australia has been the most consistent
ally of the US throughout history.

========================

Yeah, and someone else wonders when and how they will be paid for their
services.
Being allies is not the same as being hired for services. It means you
believe in the same things. If they want to be grateful for not being
a colony of Japan, that's nice too.

John
 
On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 16:44:23 +0000 (UTC), "Reg Edwards"
<g4fgq.regp@ZZZbtinternet.com> wrote:

Guy said -
As we contemplate nature's fearful capacity for destruction and
our apparent helplessness, we should not forget the greater
tragedy that is humankind's potential for self-destruction.

==================================

It's not a tragedy. It's normal.
We can't help it.
It's built into our selfish genes.
We have selfish genes and altruistic genes; there's been a lot of
recent research on that, and the math works surprisingly well.

But we also have brains, so sometimes we manage to do what's right,
and not just what feels good. Law is an attempt to control passions
with reason.

John
 
But we also have brains, so sometimes we manage to do what's right,
and not just what feels good. Law is an attempt to control passions
with reason.
==============================

You assume the existence of right, wrong and free will.
But right, wrong, and free will are illusions.
 
On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 07:46:48 +0000 (UTC), "Reg Edwards"
<g4fgq.regp@ZZZbtinternet.com> wrote:

But we also have brains, so sometimes we manage to do what's right,
and not just what feels good. Law is an attempt to control passions
with reason.

==============================

You assume the existence of right, wrong and free will.
But right, wrong, and free will are illusions.

Not to me, and not to the guys who write the laws. Go out and rob a
liquor store if you want to see how it all works.

I suppose you don't believe in reason, either. No, I can see that you
don't.

John
 
In article <10usm1r4rtf3u3b@corp.supernews.com>, Guy Macon wrote:
Tsunami must be fault of the US
Changing the subject when some things you claim and cite I can refute?
Such as you claim that humans added only 11,(something) thousand ppb of
CO2 to the Earth's atmosphere since pre-industrial times, and I cited
sources for recent worldwide annual coal. petroleum and natural gas
consumption to support a recent *annual* gain of almost 6,000 ppb by
weight and 29/44 of that by volume (assuming all carbon there becomes
CO2)?

Or would you want to come up with a cite saying well over 90% of the
annual consumption of fossil fuels is not used for fuel? Or to call the
sites I cited a few posts ago liars?

- Don Klipstein (don@misty.com)
 
Don Klipstein wrote:

You previously posted a claim[snip]

All statements in the above form will be ignored as long as
the original statement quoted sources. You can deal with
those sources or not - I don't care - but if you wish a
reply I suggest that you folow the sources and explain where
you think they are in error.

Don Klipstein wrote:
Guy Macon wrote:

Your "*annual gain* in atmospheric CO2 concentration of
almost [6 ppmw / 4 ppmv]" cannot possibly be right.

I did not claim that this was annual gain, but annual human
contribution!
See those quote marks around "*annual gain* in atmospheric
CO2 concentration of [...]" above? Those quote marks are
there because it was a direct quote from your post. I am
losing interest in debating someone who keeps changing his
story, specifically saying "annual gain" and then the next
day denying writing that and claiming "I did not claim that
this was annual gain, but annual human contribution!"

Adding! exclamation! points! does! not! strengthen! your! argument!


Don Klipstein wrote:

Dr Sami Solanki, the director of the renowned Max Planck
Institute for Solar System Research in Gottingen, Germany, who
led the research, said: "The Sun has been at its strongest over
the past 60 years and may now be affecting global temperatures.

I thought tyhe Sun was at a historic low in output during the 1970's!
Again, the source is cited: Dr Sami Solanki, the director of the
renowned Max Planck Institute for Solar System Research in
Gottingen, Germany. If you wish to dispute this, tell us how and
why Dr. Solanki got it wrong.

Don Klipstein wrote:

And can you cite what was the cause in any citable cause/effect
relationships? You surely claimed that varying output of the
Sun was the cause,
The Ouput of the sun varies. Global temperatures track the
solar output When one goes up, so does the other. When one
goes down, so does the other. There is a rather obvious
mechanism for more solar output raising global temperatures.
there is NO mechanism for global temperatures changing solar
output. *You* figure out which is the cause and which is the
effect. I am sure that some paid shill from Fenton will back
you up either way - as long as someone is willing to pay them
to prostitute their findings.
 

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