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Benderthe.evilrobot
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Computer Nerd Kev
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Benderthe.evilrobot <Benderthe.evilrobot@virginmedia.com> wrote:
> http://www.integralmemoryplc.com/news/integral-led-support-study-university-bristol
Facinating. The articles mention that heat may be the main factor in
artificial lights attracting insects, but the paper itself also
mentions that UV radiation may be a large factor in the difference
between LED and CFL globes, with heat only being used as an
explaination for the high bug attraction of the UV-low filament
globes.
It may be worth noting that the researchers performed tests
away from any structures, while in common use an occupied
building with the light inside or nearby may already be
sufficiently heated for the purpose of comfort, such that the
significance of the heat from a filament light bulb in attracting
insects is less significant than when it's in the middle of a
field.
It would have been interesting if they'd also tested a halogen
light bulb, as these produce both lots of heat, and much larger
amounts of UV radiation than the other light bulb types tested.
Particularly if the now common UV blocking glass is not used.
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> http://www.integralmemoryplc.com/news/integral-led-support-study-university-bristol
Facinating. The articles mention that heat may be the main factor in
artificial lights attracting insects, but the paper itself also
mentions that UV radiation may be a large factor in the difference
between LED and CFL globes, with heat only being used as an
explaination for the high bug attraction of the UV-low filament
globes.
It may be worth noting that the researchers performed tests
away from any structures, while in common use an occupied
building with the light inside or nearby may already be
sufficiently heated for the purpose of comfort, such that the
significance of the heat from a filament light bulb in attracting
insects is less significant than when it's in the middle of a
field.
It would have been interesting if they'd also tested a halogen
light bulb, as these produce both lots of heat, and much larger
amounts of UV radiation than the other light bulb types tested.
Particularly if the now common UV blocking glass is not used.
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~misfit~
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Once upon a time on usenet Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
Data paid for and massaged by a company selling LED lighting solutions.
Obviously the person who wrote "As lighting manufacturers, we welcome that a
link between LED lights and low attraction to insects has been proven."
hasn't worn a powerful LED headlamp on a night when there are lots of flying
insects around. I almost have to wear safety glasses some times as they
kamikaze their way down the light beam in a powered dive...
--
Shaun.
"Humans will have advanced a long, long way when religious belief has a cozy
little classification in the DSM*."
David Melville (in r.a.s.f1)
(*Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders)
Data paid for and massaged by a company selling LED lighting solutions.
Obviously the person who wrote "As lighting manufacturers, we welcome that a
link between LED lights and low attraction to insects has been proven."
hasn't worn a powerful LED headlamp on a night when there are lots of flying
insects around. I almost have to wear safety glasses some times as they
kamikaze their way down the light beam in a powered dive...
--
Shaun.
"Humans will have advanced a long, long way when religious belief has a cozy
little classification in the DSM*."
David Melville (in r.a.s.f1)
(*Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders)
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Computer Nerd Kev
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~misfit~ <shaun.at.pukekohe@gmail.com> wrote:
They did cite other studies indicating the attraction of bugs to
UV light, which LED globes do produce less of. I think they also
mentioned other tests between CFL and LED globes (one in NZ, if I
remember correctly from my breif look yesterday). Given how much
brighter many new LED torches are compared to old filament ones
it may be that the sheer quantity of light is making up for it's
less bug-attractive nature.
I suppose I'm actually in a rather good position to try to
replicate the experiment. Maybe one day...
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They did cite other studies indicating the attraction of bugs to
UV light, which LED globes do produce less of. I think they also
mentioned other tests between CFL and LED globes (one in NZ, if I
remember correctly from my breif look yesterday). Given how much
brighter many new LED torches are compared to old filament ones
it may be that the sheer quantity of light is making up for it's
less bug-attractive nature.
I suppose I'm actually in a rather good position to try to
replicate the experiment. Maybe one day...
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Benderthe.evilrobot
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"~misfit~" <shaun.at.pukekohe@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Aus got mostly Nips in the war - on my hemisphere the critters have mostly
Swastikas................
An old solar garden light bug zapper I autopsied had blue LEDs, there were
some insects stuck to the wire grid - I put the low death toll down to the
limited time the inverter could run on a UK days sunlight.
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90j8c$e0f$1@dont-email.me...Aus got mostly Nips in the war - on my hemisphere the critters have mostly
Swastikas................
An old solar garden light bug zapper I autopsied had blue LEDs, there were
some insects stuck to the wire grid - I put the low death toll down to the
limited time the inverter could run on a UK days sunlight.
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~misfit~
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Once upon a time on usenet Benderthe.evilrobot wrote:
Like the ones on the Junkers Ju 87 Stuka dive-bomber?
Yeah, a solar zapper is a big ask on its own (unless it costs over a hundred
quid) without being in a low-sunlight area.
--
Shaun.
"Humans will have advanced a long, long way when religious belief has a cozy
little classification in the DSM*."
David Melville (in r.a.s.f1)
(*Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders)
"~misfit~" <shaun.at.pukekohe@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Once upon a time on usenet Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
Benderthe.evilrobot <Benderthe.evilrobot@virginmedia.com> wrote:
http://www.integralmemoryplc.com/news/integral-led-support-study-university-bristol
Facinating. The articles mention that heat may be the main factor in
artificial lights attracting insects, but the paper itself also
mentions that UV radiation may be a large factor in the difference
between LED and CFL globes, with heat only being used as an
explaination for the high bug attraction of the UV-low filament
globes.
It may be worth noting that the researchers performed tests
away from any structures, while in common use an occupied
building with the light inside or nearby may already be
sufficiently heated for the purpose of comfort, such that the
significance of the heat from a filament light bulb in attracting
insects is less significant than when it's in the middle of a
field.
It would have been interesting if they'd also tested a halogen
light bulb, as these produce both lots of heat, and much larger
amounts of UV radiation than the other light bulb types tested.
Particularly if the now common UV blocking glass is not used.
Data paid for and massaged by a company selling LED lighting
solutions. Obviously the person who wrote "As lighting
manufacturers, we welcome that a link between LED lights and low
attraction to insects has been proven." hasn't worn a powerful LED
headlamp on a night when there are lots of flying insects around. I
almost have to wear safety glasses some times as they kamikaze their
way down the light beam in a powered dive...
Aus got mostly Nips in the war - on my hemisphere the critters have
mostly Swastikas................
Like the ones on the Junkers Ju 87 Stuka dive-bomber?
Yeah, a solar zapper is a big ask on its own (unless it costs over a hundred
quid) without being in a low-sunlight area.
--
Shaun.
"Humans will have advanced a long, long way when religious belief has a cozy
little classification in the DSM*."
David Melville (in r.a.s.f1)
(*Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders)
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Benderthe.evilrobot
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"~misfit~" <shaun.at.pukekohe@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Possibly the most useless (after anything the French stuck wings on)
military aircraft ever built.
It was a great terror weapon for spearheading a blitzkrieg, but if they
didn't have air superiority the Stuka was a dead easy target.
The Jap zero was an unpleasant surprise for the allies, but for range and
manouverability it had pretty much no armor. As soon as allied airforces
developed a buddy system to trap them in a turn, the problem was
substantially neutralised.
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93pgu$hgk$1@dont-email.me...Once upon a time on usenet Benderthe.evilrobot wrote:
"~misfit~" <shaun.at.pukekohe@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Once upon a time on usenet Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
Benderthe.evilrobot <Benderthe.evilrobot@virginmedia.com> wrote:
http://www.integralmemoryplc.com/news/integral-led-support-study-university-bristol
Facinating. The articles mention that heat may be the main factor in
artificial lights attracting insects, but the paper itself also
mentions that UV radiation may be a large factor in the difference
between LED and CFL globes, with heat only being used as an
explaination for the high bug attraction of the UV-low filament
globes.
It may be worth noting that the researchers performed tests
away from any structures, while in common use an occupied
building with the light inside or nearby may already be
sufficiently heated for the purpose of comfort, such that the
significance of the heat from a filament light bulb in attracting
insects is less significant than when it's in the middle of a
field.
It would have been interesting if they'd also tested a halogen
light bulb, as these produce both lots of heat, and much larger
amounts of UV radiation than the other light bulb types tested.
Particularly if the now common UV blocking glass is not used.
Data paid for and massaged by a company selling LED lighting
solutions. Obviously the person who wrote "As lighting
manufacturers, we welcome that a link between LED lights and low
attraction to insects has been proven." hasn't worn a powerful LED
headlamp on a night when there are lots of flying insects around. I
almost have to wear safety glasses some times as they kamikaze their
way down the light beam in a powered dive...
Aus got mostly Nips in the war - on my hemisphere the critters have
mostly Swastikas................
Like the ones on the Junkers Ju 87 Stuka dive-bomber?
Possibly the most useless (after anything the French stuck wings on)
military aircraft ever built.
It was a great terror weapon for spearheading a blitzkrieg, but if they
didn't have air superiority the Stuka was a dead easy target.
The Jap zero was an unpleasant surprise for the allies, but for range and
manouverability it had pretty much no armor. As soon as allied airforces
developed a buddy system to trap them in a turn, the problem was
substantially neutralised.
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Adrian Jansen
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On 28/02/2017 7:52 AM, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
spike just at the top of the violet end. That is what drives the
phosphor producing the white light. If insects are attracted to
near-UV, that is exactly the right place.
And judging with my experience with head torches while camping, I would
say LEDs are worse than filament lamps for attracting insects, of course
the total light output is also a factor, as has already been mentioned.
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Regards,
Adrian Jansen
Whenever I look at the output spectrum of a 'white' LED, I see this big
spike just at the top of the violet end. That is what drives the
phosphor producing the white light. If insects are attracted to
near-UV, that is exactly the right place.
And judging with my experience with head torches while camping, I would
say LEDs are worse than filament lamps for attracting insects, of course
the total light output is also a factor, as has already been mentioned.
--
Regards,
Adrian Jansen
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Benderthe.evilrobot
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"Adrian Jansen" <adrian@qq.vv.net> wrote in message
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AFAIK: the usual white LEDs are blue with a yellow phosphor, I've heard
rumours about UV LEDs with a white phosphor that are claimed to be more
efficient.
news:58b7683b$0$1604$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com...
AFAIK: the usual white LEDs are blue with a yellow phosphor, I've heard
rumours about UV LEDs with a white phosphor that are claimed to be more
efficient.