What's Happened to Google Groups?

[Bob Penoyer]

Google Groups has changed radically. I used to be able to do a search,
find an indentured list of posts, navigate the posts, easily return to
the search options page, modify the original search terms and begin a
new search. I don't see how to do that now. It appears that Google
Groups (once Deja.com) has been ruined by the "new" version.

Have you encountered the new Google Groups? If so, how have you dealt
with it? Have you found a way to use it similarly to the way it was
used before? If so, how?

 

[Colin B.]

Bob Penoyer <bob@nospambobpenoyer.com> wrote:

Google Groups has changed radically. I used to be able to do a search,
find an indentured list of posts, navigate the posts, easily return to
the search options page, modify the original search terms and begin a
new search. I don't see how to do that now. It appears that Google
Groups (once Deja.com) has been ruined by the "new" version.

Have you encountered the new Google Groups? If so, how have you dealt
with it? Have you found a way to use it similarly to the way it was
used before? If so, how?

Pretty simple.

It's fucked.

Google fucked themselves up.

 

[Roger Johansson]

Bob Penoyer <bob@NOSPAMbobpenoyer.com> wrote:

Have you encountered the new Google Groups? If so, how have you dealt
with it? Have you found a way to use it similarly to the way it was
used before? If so, how?

I have heard many complaints, a lot of people are dissatisfied with the
new system. We can only hope that it gets better in the future.

There is a lot of valuable content in usenet, buried under enormous
amounts of crap. Good search, sort and retrieve features are essential to
find the needles in such a haystack.


--
Roger J.

 

[Mike]

Did you see http://groups-beta.google.com/? I assume you're talking about
the current version.

Cheers,
Mike

"Bob Penoyer" <bob@NOSPAMbobpenoyer.com> wrote in message
news:snbir0l9odjv9gh5llc763pjfpfiam16k2@4ax.com...

Google Groups has changed radically. I used to be able to do a search,
find an indentured list of posts, navigate the posts, easily return to
the search options page, modify the original search terms and begin a
new search. I don't see how to do that now. It appears that Google
Groups (once Deja.com) has been ruined by the "new" version.

Have you encountered the new Google Groups? If so, how have you dealt
with it? Have you found a way to use it similarly to the way it was
used before? If so, how?

 

[Roger Johansson]

"Tim Williams" <tmoranwms@charter.net> wrote:

I don't get why people bitch about things that work. It must be they
refuse to accept change and the hardship of getting there, but I'd
think people doing something high level like electronics would be
mature enough to accept it.

I would like to find all messages written by a certain person, during a
certain time period, and download those messages as one long text file,
with all the messages in chronological order. Can you use groups.google
like that now?


--
Roger J.

 

[Rich Grise]

On Thu, 09 Dec 2004 21:12:15 -0800, Bob Penoyer wrote:

Google Groups has changed radically. I used to be able to do a search,
find an indentured list of posts, navigate the posts, easily return to
the search options page, modify the original search terms and begin a
new search. I don't see how to do that now. It appears that Google
Groups (once Deja.com) has been ruined by the "new" version.

Have you encountered the new Google Groups?

Yes.

If so, how have you dealt
with it?

So far, all I've been able to do is rankle. )-;

Have you found a way to use it similarly to the way it was
used before?

Not yet. I've been kind of trying to find a work-around.

If so, how?

Damfino.

I also vote It Sucks. But whatcha gonna do?

Thanks,
Rich

 

[Rich Grise]

On Fri, 10 Dec 2004 13:29:54 -0600, Tim Williams wrote:

"Bob Penoyer" <bob@NOSPAMbobpenoyer.com> wrote in message
news:snbir0l9odjv9gh5llc763pjfpfiam16k2@4ax.com...
Google Groups has changed radically. I used to be able to do a search,
find an indentured list of posts, navigate the posts, easily return to
the search options page, modify the original search terms and begin a
new search. I don't see how to do that now. It appears that Google
Groups (once Deja.com) has been ruined by the "new" version.

http://groups-beta.google.com/group/sci.electronics.basic/threads?start=0&ts
c=1

Oddly it shows the latest post at May. They're probably still working kinks
out; RCM shows up-to-date posts (latest 11:24am, two hours ago).

I don't get why people bitch about things that work. It must be they refuse
to accept change and the hardship of getting there, but I'd think people
doing something high level like electronics would be mature enough to accept
it.

The problem is, they've taken something that was working to everyone's
satisfaction, and quite impressively, I might add, and turned it into a
piece of shit.

Thanks,
Rich

 

Bob Penoyer wrote:

Google Groups has changed radically. I used to be able to do a
search,
find an indentured list of posts, navigate the posts, easily return
to
the search options page, modify the original search terms and begin a
new search. I don't see how to do that now. It appears that Google
Groups (once Deja.com) has been ruined by the "new" version.

Have you encountered the new Google Groups? If so, how have you dealt
with it? Have you found a way to use it similarly to the way it was
used before? If so, how?

Google has changed the format of google usenet to better be able to
insert more advertising onto the pages........its as simple as that.

Ive also noticed that googles search engine has changed too....I
sometimes will search and the first "hits" will all be sites that are
selling something...some not even remotely related to my search
request.

 

[Bill Bowden]

Google has changed the format of google usenet to better be able to
insert more advertising onto the pages........its as simple as that.

Yes, you got that right. Pretty soon there will be a little
skinney column to read in the center of the page with ads
filling up both sides. But GOOG did pretty well going public. The stock
price was 100 at the close of the first day and is something around
175 now. Who said advertising doesn't pay?

-Bill

 

[Al Borowski]

Have you found a way to use it similarly to the way it was
used before?


Not yet. I've been kind of trying to find a work-around.

Like this? http://www.google.com.au/grphp?hl=en&tab=wg&q=

Al

 

[Tim Williams]

"Roger Johansson" <no-email@home.se> wrote in message
news:Xns95BBD0F67C11986336@130.133.1.4...

I would like to find all messages written by a certain person, during a
certain time period, and download those messages as one long text file,
with all the messages in chronological order. Can you use groups.google
like that now?

I can't say I've ever had a need nor want to do that so I'm not the one to
ask.

Tim

--
"I've got more trophies than Wayne Gretsky and the Pope combined!"
- Homer Simpson
Website @ http://webpages.charter.net/dawill/tmoranwms

 

[Rich Grise]

On Fri, 10 Dec 2004 22:27:17 -0800, Bill Bowden wrote:

Google has changed the format of google usenet to better be able to
insert more advertising onto the pages........its as simple as that.

Yes, you got that right. Pretty soon there will be a little
skinney column to read in the center of the page with ads
filling up both sides. But GOOG did pretty well going public. The stock
price was 100 at the close of the first day and is something around
175 now. Who said advertising doesn't pay?

Nobody said it doesn't "pay." The problem is, it screws up everything else.

Thanks,
Rich

 

[Roger Johansson]

Rich Grise <rich@example.net> wrote:

You could install Linux, and get the whole freaking newsgroup in one
D/L with something like slrnpull, and do whatever you want to with the
downloaded text. Of course, you'd need a newsserver - this wouldn't
work with Google.

There are no newsservers which keep 10 years of messages.

What we need is a good way to retrieve the messages we want.
Google wants to make that process as difficult as possible, and gives the
search results in small pieces, so they can put as many ads as possible
in front of my eyes while I am searching and retrieving.

Such a system is made to keep the user occupied for as long as possible,
it is not made to simplify the task for the user.
It cannot be used for automated batch jobs.

This makes it impossible to use the usenet archives for any kind of
serious research. Most advantages of using computers are lost and we
get a system which is like searching in an enormous pile of old
newspapers and looking at the articles manually.



--
Roger J.

 

[Si Ballenger]

On Sat, 11 Dec 2004 02:00:02 -0600, "Tim Williams"
<tmoranwms@charter.net> wrote:

"Roger Johansson" <no-email@home.se> wrote in message
news:Xns95BBD0F67C11986336@130.133.1.4...
I would like to find all messages written by a certain person, during a
certain time period, and download those messages as one long text file,
with all the messages in chronological order. Can you use groups.google
like that now?

I can't say I've ever had a need nor want to do that so I'm not the one to
ask.

Sounds like somebody is in the "stalker" mode. ;-)

 

[Si Ballenger]

On Sat, 11 Dec 2004 16:48:58 +1000, Al Borowski
<al.borowski@EraseThis.gmail.com> wrote:

Have you found a way to use it similarly to the way it was
used before?


Not yet. I've been kind of trying to find a work-around.


Like this? http://www.google.com.au/grphp?hl=en&tab=wg&q=

Excellant tip! I like the advanced setup below.

http://www.google.com.au/advanced_group_search?hl=en

 

[Active8]

On Sat, 11 Dec 2004 16:11:31 GMT, Si Ballenger wrote:

On Sat, 11 Dec 2004 02:00:02 -0600, "Tim Williams"
tmoranwms@charter.net> wrote:

"Roger Johansson" <no-email@home.se> wrote in message
news:Xns95BBD0F67C11986336@130.133.1.4...
I would like to find all messages written by a certain person, during a
certain time period, and download those messages as one long text file,
with all the messages in chronological order. Can you use groups.google
like that now?

I can't say I've ever had a need nor want to do that so I'm not the one to
ask.

Sounds like somebody is in the "stalker" mode. ;-)

Chronological order sucks. It doesn't keep the thread in context.
--
Best Regards,
Mike

 

[Moneyman]

All good things come to an end sooner or later. Being they're on the market
now, the ads will have to pay off for the investors, while the informational
use will become less and less, since that involves "work" or "desired"
product which up til now, most likely hasn't paid them a dime. Ten to one,
soon they offer searches on a "subscription" service. Any one care to bet?

There will be life "after" Google. There was before too, with a little leg
work. Like many other things, many tend to put all their eggs in one
basket, then BOOM... it is knocked over. Admit it, the ease of it all lured
you in, now it is time for the kill.

MM

 

Bob Penoyer wrote:

Google Groups has changed radically. I used to be able to do a
search,
find an indentured list of posts, navigate the posts, easily return
to
the search options page, modify the original search terms and begin a
new search. I don't see how to do that now. It appears that Google
Groups (once Deja.com) has been ruined by the "new" version.

Have you encountered the new Google Groups? If so, how have you dealt
with it? Have you found a way to use it similarly to the way it was
used before? If so, how?

It's the single worst change I can ever remember seeing. I have used
google since it's inception. I've especially come to depend on deja
for researching issues and problems.

This is a COMPLETE (and I mean COMPLETE) disaster. It sucks BIG TIME.
Google MOVE BACK TO THE OLD FORMAT. Some things are better left alone.
Whomever cooked up this new recipe of a format needs to be fired.

 

[Leroy Mowry]

"Bob Penoyer" bob@nospambobpenoyer.com wrote

before?

Yes, here http://tinyurl.com/48648

Use it while you can because you'll be stuck with:
no one-click "sort - by - date" locking feature
no consistencies on highlighted search texts
no "search - only - this - group" feature
no year on threads at a single glance
no "view - this - article - only"
no links on opponent's name
no thread expand lines
no quoted text color
no one-click "email"
no nothing
nada

 

[Bob Penoyer]

Roger, you've provided the solution! At least temporarily.

It seems that Google Australia works just like the Good Ol' Google we
all used to know. Just go to http://www.google.com.au/
Select Groups, and voila! This Google Groups works just like the old
Google Groups (non-Australia) used to work.

There's no telling how long it will be before the Google people learn
about this "problem" and "fix" it.

On 12 Dec 2004 19:03:11 GMT, Roger Johansson <no-email@home.se> wrote:

I tried this and made a search on my own name:
http://www.google.com.au/groups?safe=images&as_uauthors=Roger%20Johansson&lr=&num=50&hl=en