What's going on?

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TonyS

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Where is all this spam coming from?
Can hardly find the posts.
Or is it just my news server, no one seams do mind?

Is there anything that can be done about it?
Like fines for anyone who ever buys anything from a spammer?

Tony
 
TonyS wrote:
Where is all this spam coming from?
Can hardly find the posts.
Or is it just my news server, no one seams do mind?
Click to expand...
Might want to try getting your non-binary related news feed from the
following free access news server:

news.eternal-september.org

I've seen quite a few posts in this newsgroup complaing about the spam
but hardly ever see any myself because the above news server is
filtering it out.
 
propman <propman@nowhere.ca> wrote in message
news:hc3ltf$oa5$1@news.eternal-september.org...
TonyS wrote:
Where is all this spam coming from?
Can hardly find the posts.
Or is it just my news server, no one seams do mind?

Might want to try getting your non-binary related news feed from the
following free access news server:

news.eternal-september.org

I've seen quite a few posts in this newsgroup complaing about the spam
but hardly ever see any myself because the above news server is
filtering it out.
Click to expand...
Is anyone aware of any false exclusions from the eternal-sept version or
other providers with filtering?
I looked at Google, so-called groups, the other day and it is stuffed to the
gunwales with it, not surpring as most comes via their entry point. What is
Google's game ? more advertising revenue stream ?
ships overloaded to the gunwales tend to capsize


--
Diverse Devices, Southampton, England
electronic hints and repair briefs , schematics/manuals list on
http://home.graffiti.net/diverse:graffiti.net/
 
propman wrote:
TonyS wrote:
Where is all this spam coming from?
Can hardly find the posts.
Or is it just my news server, no one seams do mind?

Might want to try getting your non-binary related news feed from the
following free access news server:

news.eternal-september.org

I've seen quite a few posts in this newsgroup complaing about the spam
but hardly ever see any myself because the above news server is
filtering it out.
Click to expand...
Thanks for that. I should have known, my provider has just outsourced to giganews.

Tony
 
TonyS wrote:
Where is all this spam coming from?
Can hardly find the posts.
Or is it just my news server, no one seams do mind?

Is there anything that can be done about it?
Like fines for anyone who ever buys anything from a spammer?

Tony
Click to expand...
Get a real newsreader, like Thunderbird. Then you can set message
filters and get rid of that crap. It's mostly coming via Google, but
they don't appear to care.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs
 
"Phil Hobbs" <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote in message
news:FKydnd8HyNFNCnjXnZ2dnUVZ_sGdnZ2d@supernews.com...
TonyS wrote:
Where is all this spam coming from?
Can hardly find the posts.
Or is it just my news server, no one seams do mind?

Is there anything that can be done about it?
Like fines for anyone who ever buys anything from a spammer?

Tony

Get a real newsreader, like Thunderbird. Then you can set message filters
and get rid of that crap. It's mostly coming via Google, but they don't
appear to care.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs
Click to expand...
You can set perfectly adequate filters in most newsreaders, including the
much maligned OE, as has been discussed endlessly on this group, every few
weeks, for the last year ...

Just do a search on "spam" on this group, and you will come up with more
fixes for the problem, than you can wave a stick at.

Arfa
 
On Mon, 26 Oct 2009 15:55:36 +0800, TonyS
<scarborofun@gmail.nspm.com>wrote:

Where is all this spam coming from?
Can hardly find the posts.
Or is it just my news server, no one seams do mind?

Is there anything that can be done about it?
Like fines for anyone who ever buys anything from a spammer?

Tony
Click to expand...
Not seen on Altopia.
 
Phil Hobbs wrote:

Get a real newsreader, like Thunderbird. Then you can set message
filters and get rid of that crap. It's mostly coming via Google, but
they don't appear to care.
Click to expand...
Oh, I think they care very much. IMHO what they care about is the amount of
newsgroups, the number of postings, the number of signed up users, and the
fact they can claim that they do not censor "Google Groups" in any way.

All of which sounds good on paper, but it encourages exactly the behaviour
we don't want.

Many people filter out Google postings 100%, what would be really nice to have
would be a news reader that could filter out most of the crap, if not all
from Google Groups and leave the rest.

I used to filter out Google 100% with my newsreader (slrn), but found that
I was seeing too many replies to postings from Google that I would have
liked to have read. So I turned that filter off and suffer. :)

Geoff.

--
Geoffrey S. Mendelson, Jerusalem, Israel gsm@mendelson.com N3OWJ/4X1GM
 
TonyS wrote:
Where is all this spam coming from?

Phil Hobbs wrote:
Get a real newsreader, like Thunderbird.
Click to expand...
You really should check the header before posting such advice.
It appears that the problem isn't *getting* the proper software
but in not making the effort to learn how to use it effectively.

....and an additional layer in the stack improves the yield:
http://groups.google.com/groups/search?q=nFilter+OR+NewsProxy+Hamster+Leafnode+-jeffm_+-News.Proxy+-inurl:www&num=100
 
TonyS wrote:
propman wrote:
TonyS wrote:
Where is all this spam coming from?
Can hardly find the posts.
Or is it just my news server, no one seams do mind?

Might want to try getting your non-binary related news feed from the
following free access news server:

news.eternal-september.org

I've seen quite a few posts in this newsgroup complaing about the spam
but hardly ever see any myself because the above news server is
filtering it out.



Thanks for that. I should have known, my provider has just outsourced to
giganews.

Tony
Click to expand...
If you decide to subscribe to their service, take note of the special
steps taken when first downloading the newsgroups.rc and the
username/password sequence; details, IIRC, are available on their website.
 
JeffM wrote:
Phil Hobbs wrote:

You really should check the header before posting such advice.
It appears that the problem isn't *getting* the proper software
but in not making the effort to learn how to use it effectively.

...and an additional layer in the stack improves the yield:
http://groups.google.com/groups/search?q=nFilter+OR+NewsProxy+Hamster+Leafnode+-jeffm_+-News.Proxy+-inurl:www&num=100
Click to expand...
Thanks for the links. I use Thunderbird and will look into this.
The strange thing is that never before I saw the need for any spam filter.

I do filter out certain unpleasant posters, which is only partly useful as I
still see the posts that reply to the OP.

I've been on usenet for close to 20 years end have never come across spam of
this scale. It's fair to assume that something has changed.
 
On 10/26/2009 3:55 PM TonyS spake thus:

I've been on usenet for close to 20 years end have never come across
spam of this scale. It's fair to assume that something has changed.
Click to expand...
Something has, indeed. It's called Google (Google Groups). They've
really fucked things up around here.


--
Found--the gene that causes belief in genetic determinism
 
David Nebenzahl <nobody@but.us.chickens> wrote in message
news:4ae64244$0$11315$822641b3@news.adtechcomputers.com...
On 10/26/2009 3:55 PM TonyS spake thus:

I've been on usenet for close to 20 years end have never come across
spam of this scale. It's fair to assume that something has changed.

Something has, indeed. It's called Google (Google Groups). They've
really fucked things up around here.


--
Found--the gene that causes belief in genetic determinism
Click to expand...
It was fine when it was
http://www.deja.com/usenet
bought by guess who?


--
Diverse Devices, Southampton, England
electronic hints and repair briefs , schematics/manuals list on
http://home.graffiti.net/diverse:graffiti.net/
 
On 10/27/2009 12:19 AM N_Cook spake thus:

David Nebenzahl <nobody@but.us.chickens> wrote in message
news:4ae64244$0$11315$822641b3@news.adtechcomputers.com...

On 10/26/2009 3:55 PM TonyS spake thus:

I've been on usenet for close to 20 years end have never come across
spam of this scale. It's fair to assume that something has changed.

Something has, indeed. It's called Google (Google Groups). They've
really fucked things up around here.

It was fine when it was
http://www.deja.com/usenet
bought by guess who?
Click to expand...
Yes it was. Let's not forget who fucked it all up. It was those
"geniuses" over there in Mountain View.


--
Found--the gene that causes belief in genetic determinism
 
JeffM wrote:
TonyS wrote:
Where is all this spam coming from?

Phil Hobbs wrote:
Get a real newsreader, like Thunderbird.

You really should check the header before posting such advice.
It appears that the problem isn't *getting* the proper software
but in not making the effort to learn how to use it effectively.
Click to expand...
effort?
I tried message filters now and they work flaky to say the least.
I also use different computers quite often, how many times should I create
filters, let alone keep them up-to-date?
Would be so much more efficient to filter on the provider side.


...and an additional layer in the stack improves the yield:
http://groups.google.com/groups/search?q=nFilter+OR+NewsProxy+Hamster+Leafnode+-jeffm_+-News.Proxy+-inurl:www&num=100
Click to expand...
 
TonyS <scarborofun@gmail.nspm.com> wrote:
JeffM wrote:
TonyS wrote:
Where is all this spam coming from?

Phil Hobbs wrote:
Get a real newsreader, like Thunderbird.

You really should check the header before posting such advice.
It appears that the problem isn't *getting* the proper software
but in not making the effort to learn how to use it effectively.

effort?
I tried message filters now and they work flaky to say the least.
I also use different computers quite often, how many times should I create
filters, let alone keep them up-to-date?
Would be so much more efficient to filter on the provider side.
Click to expand...
So switch providers to one that does the filtering. I see little or no
spam in sci.electronics.repair using eternal-september. They're free,
text-only, but do require registration.

Jerry
 
Jerry Peters wrote:
TonyS <scarborofun@gmail.nspm.com> wrote:

So switch providers to one that does the filtering. I see little or no
spam in sci.electronics.repair using eternal-september. They're free,
text-only, but do require registration.

Jerry
Click to expand...
I just did what you suggested and sure enough, there is not a single spam. And
it seems fast enough. Thanks.
The thing is, my ISP used to provide the news and there was also no spam in this
group. Then they outsourced to giganews and now there is all this spam.
However, there is a number of groups that are restricted to users of my ISP.
These are groups that are local and they have become quite important to me.
You can't get them with any other provider.

That means I have to work with 2 news providers now and that's only because
giganews doesn't filter properly. I have complained to my provider but nothing
has changed, yet.

Tony
 
In article <csydndorBfd96HbXnZ2dnUVZ_jxi4p2d@westnet.com.au>,
TonyS <scarborofun@gmail.nspm.com> wrote:

I just did what you suggested and sure enough, there is not a single spam. And
it seems fast enough. Thanks.
The thing is, my ISP used to provide the news and there was also no spam
in this
group. Then they outsourced to giganews and now there is all this spam.
However, there is a number of groups that are restricted to users of my ISP.
These are groups that are local and they have become quite important to me.
You can't get them with any other provider.

That means I have to work with 2 news providers now and that's only because
giganews doesn't filter properly. I have complained to my provider but nothing
has changed, yet.
Click to expand...
You might want to consider running something like "leafnode". I use
it to pull a Giganews feed to my own system, once an hour. With a few
filtering rules (based on the news headers), almost all of the spam is
never fetched from Giganews to my system. It works really well for me.

--
Dave Platt <dplatt@radagast.org> AE6EO
Friends of Jade Warrior home page: http://www.radagast.org/jade-warrior
I do _not_ wish to receive unsolicited commercial email, and I will
boycott any company which has the gall to send me such ads!
 
Dave Platt wrote:
In article <csydndorBfd96HbXnZ2dnUVZ_jxi4p2d@westnet.com.au>,
TonyS <scarborofun@gmail.nspm.com> wrote:


You might want to consider running something like "leafnode". I use
it to pull a Giganews feed to my own system, once an hour. With a few
filtering rules (based on the news headers), almost all of the spam is
never fetched from Giganews to my system. It works really well for me.
Click to expand...
Thanks but this would take things too far for me :)
 
On Mon, 26 Oct 2009 15:55:36 +0800, TonyS <scarborofun@gmail.nspm.com>
wrote:

Where is all this spam coming from?
Click to expand...
Most email spam comes from users PC's taken over by a botnet. Since
email and usenet readers are often common, some of the email spam is
leaking over to usenet.

Can hardly find the posts.
Or is it just my news server, no one seams do mind?
Click to expand...
Usenet news providers put quite a bit of effort into filtering out the
spam. Every once in a while, a large amount leaks through. It lasts
for a day or two, a filter gets crafted by the usenet news provider,
and life continues normally. Different Usenet news providers have
different philosophies about spam. Supernews used to be very
aggressive at eliminating spam, resulting in about 1 in 20 of my
posting just disappearing because something I included was treated as
spam. Other services advertise that they're "censorship free" which
simply means they don't bother doing any filtering for spam.
<http://www.exit109.com/~jeremy/news/cleanfeed/>

Is there anything that can be done about it?
Click to expand...
1. Don't click on the included links. That's how the spammers
determine if their advertising is effective.
2. Don't buy from spammers. A large number of people buy from them,
mostly because of the price and easy availability (i.e. Viagra).
3. Complain to your usenet provider.
4. Tell Google that they've switched from "Do no evil" to being the
source of much evil. They need to do some enforcement, but that's
difficult since usenet news does not generate any advertising revenue.
5. Do your own filtering. I use nfilter:
<http://www.nfilter.org>
<http://www.fitnwell.net/nfilter.htm>
<http://www.subgenius.com/updates/X0018_Nfilter-_A_Spam_Filt.html>
<http://www.saska.co.uk/nfilter/nfilter_faq_modified.html>
This is old technology, but still works quite well.

Like fines for anyone who ever buys anything from a spammer?
Click to expand...
It's not just for sale advertising that's a problem. There's also
political, religious, flying saucer, and personal agenda advertising.
Enforcement at the source is almost impossible.

--
Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com
150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558
 
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