What is the difference between 'std_logic_vecotor' and 'sign

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Zhi

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eg: a : std_logic_vector(3 downto 0) ;

if a < "0111" then
a :=a+"0001";
WRITE (buf_in,doutb);
WRITELINE(to_text,buf_in);
else
report "error";

I found when a ="1000", "1001","1010"... It never report "error".

I guess does it take the first left bit as 'sign'. If it is so, what
the difference between std_logic_vector and signed. And if I only want
to write 8 value to to_text. How to give the restriction.

Thanks.
 
Try this:
signal a : std_logic_vector(3 downto 0);
and this:
a <= a+"0001";

Brad Smallridge
Ai Vision


"Zhi" <threeinchnail@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1178542914.331179.69010@e51g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
eg: a : std_logic_vector(3 downto 0) ;

if a < "0111" then
a :=a+"0001";
WRITE (buf_in,doutb);
WRITELINE(to_text,buf_in);
else
report "error";

I found when a ="1000", "1001","1010"... It never report "error".

I guess does it take the first left bit as 'sign'. If it is so, what
the difference between std_logic_vector and signed. And if I only want
to write 8 value to to_text. How to give the restriction.

Thanks.
Click to expand...
 
On 7 May, 18:00, "Brad Smallridge" <bradsmallri...@dslextreme.com>
wrote:
Try this:
signal a : std_logic_vector(3 downto 0);
and this:
a <= a+"0001";

Brad Smallridge
Ai Vision

"Zhi" <threeinchn...@gmail.com> wrote in message

news:1178542914.331179.69010@e51g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...





eg: a : std_logic_vector(3 downto 0) ;

if a < "0111" then
a :=a+"0001";
WRITE (buf_in,doutb);
WRITELINE(to_text,buf_in);
else
report "error";

I found when a ="1000", "1001","1010"... It never report "error".

I guess does it take the first left bit as 'sign'. If it is so, what
the difference between std_logic_vector and signed. And if I only want
to write 8 value to to_text. How to give the restriction.

Thanks.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -
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Thanks Brad. But it doesn't work. I guess it is the library problem
again. When I change ieee. std_logic_signed to std_logic_unsigned.
Everything works. I have read some posters to recommend to use
numeric_std instead of std_logic_signed/unsigned. I have not have much
experience on it before. This time ieee.std libraries got me mad.
 
Thanks Brad. But it doesn't work. I guess it is the library problem
again. When I change ieee. std_logic_signed to std_logic_unsigned.
Everything works. I have read some posters to recommend to use
numeric_std instead of std_logic_signed/unsigned. I have not have much
experience on it before. This time ieee.std libraries got me mad.
Click to expand...
Yes. I have been told that with numeric_std you can have both signed
and unsigned signals in the same module, and that the names of the
conversion functions are more understandable. I usually use the
unsigned library by Xilinx default.

Brad Smallridge
AiVision
 
On 7 May, 19:04, "Brad Smallridge" <bradsmallri...@dslextreme.com>
wrote:
Thanks Brad. But it doesn't work. I guess it is the library problem
again. When I change ieee. std_logic_signed to std_logic_unsigned.
Everything works. I have read some posters to recommend to use
numeric_std instead of std_logic_signed/unsigned. I have not have much
experience on it before. This time ieee.std libraries got me mad.

Yes. I have been told that with numeric_std you can have both signed
and unsigned signals in the same module, and that the names of the
conversion functions are more understandable. I usually use the
unsigned library by Xilinx default.

Brad Smallridge
AiVision
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Yeah, I have been told to use numeric_std library as well. But I use
some RAM in my project. The interface port is std_logic_vector. I
have to do the '+' operations in the codes and NUMERIC_STD doesn't
support 'slv' '+'/'-' operation. Then I choose to use Library
std_logic_signed. One more thing, if I choose use library
std_logic_unsigned, what does it consider my 'signed' type value in my
codes? Actually when I compared the STD_LOGIC_SIGNED and
STD_LOGIC_UNISGNED packages. i did not see the difference.
 
Zhi
Go read my paper, "VHDL Math Tricks of the Trade", from
MAPLD 2003 which is posted at:
http://www.synthworks.com/papers/index.htm

Cheers,
Jim

On 7 May, 19:04, "Brad Smallridge" <bradsmallri...@dslextreme.com
wrote:
Thanks Brad. But it doesn't work. I guess it is the library problem
again. When I change ieee. std_logic_signed to std_logic_unsigned.
Everything works. I have read some posters to recommend to use
numeric_std instead of std_logic_signed/unsigned. I have not have much
experience on it before. This time ieee.std libraries got me mad.
Yes. I have been told that with numeric_std you can have both signed
and unsigned signals in the same module, and that the names of the
conversion functions are more understandable. I usually use the
unsigned library by Xilinx default.

Brad Smallridge
AiVision

Yeah, I have been told to use numeric_std library as well. But I use
some RAM in my project. The interface port is std_logic_vector. I
have to do the '+' operations in the codes and NUMERIC_STD doesn't
support 'slv' '+'/'-' operation. Then I choose to use Library
std_logic_signed. One more thing, if I choose use library
std_logic_unsigned, what does it consider my 'signed' type value in my
codes? Actually when I compared the STD_LOGIC_SIGNED and
STD_LOGIC_UNISGNED packages. i did not see the difference.
Click to expand...
 
On May 7, 2:13 pm, Zhi <threeinchn...@gmail.com> wrote:
On 7 May, 19:04, "Brad Smallridge" <bradsmallri...@dslextreme.com
wrote:

Thanks Brad. But it doesn't work. I guess it is the library problem
again. When I change ieee. std_logic_signed to std_logic_unsigned.
Everything works. I have read some posters to recommend to use
numeric_std instead of std_logic_signed/unsigned. I have not have much
experience on it before. This time ieee.std libraries got me mad.

Yes. I have been told that with numeric_std you can have both signed
and unsigned signals in the same module, and that the names of the
conversion functions are more understandable. I usually use the
unsigned library by Xilinx default.

Brad Smallridge
AiVision

Yeah, I have been told to use numeric_std library as well. But I use
some RAM in my project. The interface port is std_logic_vector. I
have to do the '+' operations in the codes and NUMERIC_STD doesn't
support 'slv' '+'/'-' operation. Then I choose to use Library
std_logic_signed. One more thing, if I choose use library
std_logic_unsigned, what does it consider my 'signed' type value in my
codes? Actually when I compared the STD_LOGIC_SIGNED and
STD_LOGIC_UNISGNED packages. i did not see the difference.
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Use numeric_std!!!

subtype slv is std_logic_vector; -- abbreviation
signal address is slv(...);
....
address <= slv(unsigned(address) + 1);

Or infer your memory from an array, and use an integer for the address
(index of the array).

The only difference between std_logic_signed and std_logic_unsigned is
the behavior of the operands. Those in ...signed interpret their slv
arguments as signed quantities, and those in ...unsigned interpret
theirs as unsigned quantities.

Andy
 
Zhi wrote:

NUMERIC_STD doesn't
support 'slv' '+'/'-' operation.
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Of course it doesn't.
Std_logic_vector could be signed, unsigned or neither.
Use the type you really want internally.
Cast to std_logic_vector for port outputs if need be.

One more thing, if I choose use library
std_logic_unsigned, what does it consider my 'signed' type value in my
codes?
Click to expand...
That's the problem.
Std_logic_unsigned is poorly named.
It only knows about boolean and Std_logic_vector.

Actually when I compared the STD_LOGIC_SIGNED and
STD_LOGIC_UNISGNED packages. i did not see the difference.
Click to expand...
That's why the packages fail
if I want to do both signed
and unsigned math.


-- Mike Treseler
 
Thanks all your guys.

Mike Treseler wrote:
Zhi wrote:

NUMERIC_STD doesn't
support 'slv' '+'/'-' operation.

Of course it doesn't.
Std_logic_vector could be signed, unsigned or neither.
Use the type you really want internally.
Cast to std_logic_vector for port outputs if need be.

One more thing, if I choose use library
std_logic_unsigned, what does it consider my 'signed' type value in my
codes?

That's the problem.
Std_logic_unsigned is poorly named.
It only knows about boolean and Std_logic_vector.

Actually when I compared the STD_LOGIC_SIGNED and
STD_LOGIC_UNISGNED packages. i did not see the difference.

That's why the packages fail
if I want to do both signed
and unsigned math.


-- Mike Treseler
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