What Is 'Approximate' for Adv Purposes?

[Watson A.Name - \"Watt Su]

"Mark Fergerson" <nunya@biz.ness> wrote in message
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Watson A.Name - "Watt Sun, the Dark Remover" wrote:

I stopped by a 99 cent store to grab some wire ties, and I also
grabbed
a box of "BOLTS & NUTS 300 PCS APPROX" also for 99 cents, mainly
because
I wanted the compartmented box itself, not the hardware.

I got home and popped open the lid, and said, No way! That sure
doesn't
look like 300 pieces! I counted 126 pieces in all, which is
considerably less than 300!

So what does approxzimate mean, for advertising purposes? Should
one
consider the tolerance + or - 10 percent? 20 percent? 50 percent?
In
this case, even at 50 percent, 126 pieces fails the test, since it's
less than half of 300. Where does one draw the line and determine
that
it's a flagrant violation of advertising?

Could just be an extreme example of the "competence" of
Chinese label translators; they might have meant "grams"
instead of "pieces". What's the box weigh full?

Nothing on the box at all about weight. I don't have a scale that's
accurate enough to give even an estimate.

> Mark L. Fergerson

 

[Richard Freeman]

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Hi All,
I live in Australia too and I find them really easy to get

Bunnings Warehouse

Universal Bolt Bloke

they are slowly getting more common but even then the bunnings near me has
three imperial screws for every Metric.
I remember a couple of years back wanting a countersunk 6mm Bolt for a
speaker could I got one locally ??? nope I ended up having to go to a
specialist Bolt place (Mason & Amson) to get one.

Of course I love all the metricised Measurements we still have like Ply sold
in multiples of a foot, Sorry multiples of 300mm
and the old 2 by 4, sorry 50 by 100mm (well actually this one almost makes
sense)

 

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"loedown" <zero242@bigpond.net.au> wrote in message
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Hi All,
I live in Australia too and I find them really easy to
get

Bunnings Warehouse

Universal Bolt Bloke

they are slowly getting more common but even then the bunnings near me
has
three imperial screws for every Metric.
I remember a couple of years back wanting a countersunk 6mm Bolt for a
speaker could I got one locally ??? nope I ended up having to go to a
specialist Bolt place (Mason & Amson) to get one.

Of course I love all the metricised Measurements we still have like
Ply sold
in multiples of a foot, Sorry multiples of 300mm
and the old 2 by 4, sorry 50 by 100mm (well actually this one almost
makes
sense)

But the old saying "Chubby, tubby, two-by-four, couldn't get thru the
kitchen door" won't make sense to the kids anymore..

And then there's the definition of A LART: beat over the head with a
clue by four. How will they understand that??

:-O

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[Sir Charles W. Shults III]

Years ago, my son (now 23) was at my mother's house and she asked him to
dial a phone number for her. He came back holding the phone, puzzled- "how
do you work this?"
It was a dial telephone.

Cheers!

Chip Shults

 

[Watson A.Name \"Watt Sun]

Sir Charles W. Shults III wrote:

Years ago, my son (now 23) was at my mother's house and she asked him to
dial a phone number for her. He came back holding the phone, puzzled- "how
do you work this?"
It was a dial telephone.

Yeah, same here. One of the Pacific Telephone technicians said his kids
had never seen a rotary dial telephone(!) They didn't know how it worked.

Cheers!

Chip Shults

 

[Dave VanHorn]

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Sir Charles W. Shults III wrote:

Years ago, my son (now 23) was at my mother's house and she asked
him to
dial a phone number for her. He came back holding the phone, puzzled-
"how
do you work this?"
It was a dial telephone.

Yeah, same here. One of the Pacific Telephone technicians said his kids
had never seen a rotary dial telephone(!) They didn't know how it worked.

I repaired a strowger switch once.

 

[Watson A.Name \"Watt Sun]

Dave VanHorn wrote:

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Sir Charles W. Shults III wrote:

Years ago, my son (now 23) was at my mother's house and she asked

him to

dial a phone number for her. He came back holding the phone, puzzled-
"how do you work this?"
It was a dial telephone.

Yeah, same here. One of the Pacific Telephone technicians said his kids
had never seen a rotary dial telephone(!) They didn't know how it worked.

I repaired a strowger switch once.

So did I. But it was in the Comm Room of the U.S.S. Ticonderoga, the
aircraft carrier. That thing's a floating city!

 

[Rich Grise]

"Mjolinor" <mjolinor@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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I have the reverse problem, working for a US company with US made boxes
that
mount up electricity poles. When you drop a nut in the grass it's everyone
on your knees and find it because there is no way to find a replacement in
the UK for those UNF bolts.

Have somebody bring a magnet. ;-)

Cheers!
Rich

 

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Watson A.Name "Watt Sun - the Dark Remover" wrote:
Ban wrote:


Actually there's enough room in one box to consolidate five or six
more
into it. Hmmm... I need some more boxes for small parts storage.
Also, these damn nuts & bolts are metric, and you just know how much
we
Americans hate those metric screws. ;-)


Oh Metric!

Let's see, 126 x 2.54 = 320.04

See, they were counting in metric.

-Chuck

Or was it 39.37??

I grabbed one nut out of the box and tried to screw it onto one of the
bolts. It wouldn't thread onto the bolt, so I grabbed another bolt.
Same thing, it wouldn't work. Then I looked closer at the nut, and it
had _no_ threads inside!!!

Well, I tried a bunch of the other nuts, and they all were threaded
properly. So I must have just picked the only dud. And that brings me
down to only 126 pieces. ;-)

I guess one might conclude that that company has very poor quality
control.

Our old resident curmudgeon at work, Burt, used to tell me, "Well you
know there's no shortage of nuts around here!" Ol' Burt succumbed to
cancer a few years ago, might have been '99. Sometimes I think back and
wish he was still around so we could shoot the breeze on occasion.




FYI, a nut without a thread is called a "washer"

Do you know the difference between a lockwasher and a split washer?

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Well, a lockwasher has those little tabs around its perimeter, or
inside, depending on if it's internal or external, and a split
washer, that's a douche bag.

;->

 

[Rich Grise]

"Sir Charles W. Shults III" <nowayjose@planetpluto.com> wrote in message
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Years ago, my son (now 23) was at my mother's house and she asked him
to
dial a phone number for her. He came back holding the phone, puzzled-
"how
do you work this?"
It was a dial telephone.

Cheers!

Chip Shults

People might or might not find this amusing - I reserve judgement, because
when I was in about fourth grade (about age 9, I guess, about 1958-ish),
they had somebody come in to the classroom with a big telephone mock-up.
It had a dial almost a foot in diameter, and even had a reasonable
simulation of the contacts in a real telephone dial - the rep showed
us that if you don't release the dial and let it run back at its own
pace, (it's got a governor. True!) the contact bounce will cause a misdial.

We had classes on how to read a clock.

We had a segment on how to write a check, and balance a checkbook.

Any other nostalgic thoughts of the days when they actually taught
kids stuff?

Cheers!
Rich

 

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Rich Grise wrote:

"Sir Charles W. Shults III" <nowayjose@planetpluto.com> wrote in message
news:vj7kc.87037$I83.2196014@twister.tampabay.rr.com...
Years ago, my son (now 23) was at my mother's house and she asked him
to
dial a phone number for her. He came back holding the phone, puzzled-
"how
do you work this?"
It was a dial telephone.

Cheers!

Chip Shults

Years ago a friend's parents lived in a hillside house that had a finished room
on the downslope but only accessible from outside. His mother was sewing in
the basement room and had the doors open. She had the radio on at the time.
The neighbor 4 or 5 year old wandered over.

He kept looking puzzled and seemed to be searching for something as she
continued sewing.

She finally asked him what he was looking for.

"Where's the picture?" he asked.

Even then. ... perhaps 1970s??? ... Many kids didn't know what a radio was.

 

[Roger Gt]

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"Rich Grise" wrote
: "Sir Charles W. Shults III" wrote

: > Years ago, my son (now 23) was at my mother's house
: > and she asked him to dial a phone number for her.
: > He came back holding the phone, puzzled-
: > "how do you work this?"
: > It was a dial telephone.
: > Cheers! Chip Shults
:
: People might or might not find this amusing - I reserve
judgement, because
: when I was in about fourth grade (about age 9, I guess, about
1958-ish),
: they had somebody come in to the classroom with a big telephone
mock-up.
: It had a dial almost a foot in diameter, and even had a
reasonable
: simulation of the contacts in a real telephone dial - the rep
showed
: us that if you don't release the dial and let it run back at its
own
: pace, (it's got a governor. True!) the contact bounce will cause
a misdial.
:
: We had classes on how to read a clock.
: We had a segment on how to write a check, and balance a
checkbook.
: Any other nostalgic thoughts of the days when they actually
taught
: kids stuff?
: Cheers! Rich



We had a class in school on "Communism Theory and Practice" Where
the seductive nature of the Enemies of civilization were shown and
why theoretical Communism was so enticing, and completely
unworkable. The link to a Socialists paradise and the quest for
total control of all human life was included, with several
hypothetical outcomes. Very impressive! Never forget the images
of mass starvation and murder the totalitarian control might use
___ again!

Roger Gt
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[Michael A. Covington]

"Roger Gt" <not@here.net> wrote in message
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We had a class in school on "Communism Theory and Practice" Where
the seductive nature of the Enemies of civilization were shown and
why theoretical Communism was so enticing, and completely
unworkable. The link to a Socialists paradise and the quest for
total control of all human life was included, with several
hypothetical outcomes. Very impressive! Never forget the images
of mass starvation and murder the totalitarian control might use
___ again!

Where and when was this?

The point is, of course, quite compelling -- if communism were a good thing,
it would coexist with freedom, and it doesn't.

 

[Roger Gt]

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"Michael A. Covington" wrote
: "Roger Gt" wrote
:
: > We had a class in school on "Communism Theory and Practice"
Where
: > the seductive nature of the Enemies of civilization were shown
and
: > why theoretical Communism was so enticing, and completely
: > unworkable. The link to a Socialists paradise and the quest
for
: > total control of all human life was included, with several
: > hypothetical outcomes. Very impressive! Never forget the
images
: > of mass starvation and murder the totalitarian control might
use
: > ___ again!
:
: Where and when was this?
:
: The point is, of course, quite compelling -- if communism were a
good thing,
: it would coexist with freedom, and it doesn't.

It was in 1954, Phoenix Arizona. Several schools in my area had a
special visiting teaching staff for this class, the entire
presentation took 4 hours. Don't remember who put it together,
but there was an National Guard Captain as one of the teachers.
(Not in Uniform) There was no test but we talked about it in
assembly a lot!

We had the usual Civil Defense courses taught the same way! You
know the ones, about surviving an atomic bomb attack. We only
used the drill when a hail storm broke nearly all the windows in
the school. Back then we had a lot of windows, to provide a lot of
natural light! No more. The size and placement is rigidly
controlled.... 'For Safety"

 

[Rich Grise]

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"Roger Gt" <not@here.net> wrote in message
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We had a class in school on "Communism Theory and Practice" Where
the seductive nature of the Enemies of civilization were shown and
why theoretical Communism was so enticing, and completely
unworkable. The link to a Socialists paradise and the quest for
total control of all human life was included, with several
hypothetical outcomes. Very impressive! Never forget the images
of mass starvation and murder the totalitarian control might use
___ again!

Where and when was this?

The point is, of course, quite compelling -- if communism were a good
thing,
it would coexist with freedom, and it doesn't.

They taught us some stuff about Communism too - one of the things I
vividly remember is the segment on propaganda tactics. And I see
fanatics off all sorts using the exact same tactics, and getting away
with it.

One little event that I also vividly remember was an item in "The
Weekly Reader" called "The Little [hammer-and-sickle]ed Schoolhouse";
it talked about those poor kids in the communist regime: they only
get told what they want them to hear, their lives are planned out
for them, they only get to take what courses they're told, everything
the communists say is a lie, etc, etc, etc. So I asked, "So, what's
to guarantee that they're not doing this exact same thing to us?
How do we know that _this_ is true, and not just some propaganda,
just like they say they're doing to the poor Russian kids?" The
teacher got very nervous and changed the subject. Turns out it was
during the days of Joe McCarthy and HUAC - almost as insidious as
the current "Homeland Security" evil.

And the Big Lie works a lot better these days because people are

*SO* *FUCKING* *STUPID*!!!!!

Thanks for letting me share,
Rich

 

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"Mjolinor" <mjolinor@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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I have the reverse problem, working for a US company with US made
boxes
that
mount up electricity poles. When you drop a nut in the grass it's
everyone
on your knees and find it because there is no way to find a
replacement in
the UK for those UNF bolts.

Have somebody bring a magnet. ;-)

Except that being that the box is outside, it probably has a bolt and/or
nut that is/are stainless or brass, which aren't gonna work with a
magnet. :-(

Cheers!
Rich

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[R. Steve Walz]

Rich Grise wrote:

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We had a class in school on "Communism Theory and Practice" Where
the seductive nature of the Enemies of civilization were shown and
why theoretical Communism was so enticing, and completely
unworkable. The link to a Socialists paradise and the quest for
total control of all human life was included, with several
hypothetical outcomes. Very impressive! Never forget the images
of mass starvation and murder the totalitarian control might use
___ again!

Where and when was this?

The point is, of course, quite compelling -- if communism were a good
thing,
it would coexist with freedom, and it doesn't.
----------------------

Sure it does, the rich have simply redefined it so you don't call it
freedom.

They taught us some stuff about Communism too - one of the things I
vividly remember is the segment on propaganda tactics. And I see
fanatics off all sorts using the exact same tactics, and getting away
with it.
----------------

Yes, sure, they made you forever deeply reluctant to believe anything
someone who said they were a communist might say to you, no matter how
reasonable, for fear that you are somehow being duped.

This, paradoxically is the exact tactic used by those who wish to
control you, because it makes you doubt anyone who could rescue you
and your credulty from their clutches. This is the method used by
religion, and by antisexuals to convince you that you're a pervert
and that you need to deny your sexuality at all costs lest you be
discovered.

This is McCarthy-ism, this is the same old witch-hunt tactic.

--
The only truth that can rescue you from this imposed self-doubt is
being persuaded that what is reasonable must still be true!!
Require that things make sense or you ARE LOST!!

One little event that I also vividly remember was an item in "The
Weekly Reader" called "The Little [hammer-and-sickle]ed Schoolhouse";
it talked about those poor kids in the communist regime: they only
get told what they want them to hear, their lives are planned out
for them, they only get to take what courses they're told, everything
the communists say is a lie, etc, etc, etc. So I asked, "So, what's
to guarantee that they're not doing this exact same thing to us?
How do we know that _this_ is true, and not just some propaganda,
just like they say they're doing to the poor Russian kids?" The
teacher got very nervous and changed the subject. Turns out it was
during the days of Joe McCarthy and HUAC - almost as insidious as
the current "Homeland Security" evil.
---------------

Exactly!! Demand REASONABLE ARGUMENT!

And the Big Lie works a lot better these days because people are

*SO* *FUCKING* *STUPID*!!!!!

Thanks for letting me share,
Rich
-------------------

Yup.

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[Mjolinor]

One little event that I also vividly remember was an item in "The
Weekly Reader" called "The Little [hammer-and-sickle]ed Schoolhouse";
it talked about those poor kids in the communist regime: they only
get told what they want them to hear, their lives are planned out
for them, they only get to take what courses they're told, everything
the communists say is a lie, etc, etc, etc. So I asked, "So, what's
to guarantee that they're not doing this exact same thing to us?
How do we know that _this_ is true, and not just some propaganda,
just like they say they're doing to the poor Russian kids?" The
teacher got very nervous and changed the subject. Turns out it was
during the days of Joe McCarthy and HUAC - almost as insidious as
the current "Homeland Security" evil.

As an Englishman who goes to the US a lot one of the things I have noticed
is the gaps in the education and the things that US children are not taught
or told about. For example when I went to primary school (7 to 11 years) we
were taught all the American Indian tribes, where they came from
geographically, who was friends with whom and generally about their
lifestyle. I haven't met a single American who was taught it at school
which, to me, seems absurd. It seems that all americans know about the
pilgrim fathers which in terms of the whole picture was a fairly
insignificant event.

This is not a dig at American education because I am sure the same applies
to me, it's just that I can't see my gaps unless someone points them out to
me.

 

[Michael A. Covington]

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As an Englishman who goes to the US a lot one of the things I have noticed
is the gaps in the education and the things that US children are not
taught
or told about. For example when I went to primary school (7 to 11 years)
we
were taught all the American Indian tribes, where they came from
geographically, who was friends with whom and generally about their
lifestyle. I haven't met a single American who was taught it at school
which, to me, seems absurd.

I remember knowing the names and locations of numerous tribes. This was
standard in elementary school in Georgia in the 1960s. I didn't retain much
of the knowledge, but it was good to know the information was available.

It seems that all americans know about the
pilgrim fathers which in terms of the whole picture was a fairly
insignificant event.

That is Massachusetts chauvinism. Much of American history can be read as
an attempt of Massachusetts to run the entire country. The Mayflower
Pilgrims (Massachusetts, 1620) were in my opinion much less historically
important than the first successful English settlement (Jamestown, 1607,
commonly glossed over because it happened in the South).

We are also taught that the Mayflower Pilgrims invented Thanksgiving, which
sounds silly once you've encountered an English Harvest Festival. The
Mayflower gang may have had something to do with setting the date of
Thanksgiving in the U.S.; I'm not sure.

 

[Chuck Harris]

Mjolinor wrote:

As an Englishman who goes to the US a lot one of the things I have noticed
is the gaps in the education and the things that US children are not taught
or told about. For example when I went to primary school (7 to 11 years) we
were taught all the American Indian tribes, where they came from
geographically, who was friends with whom and generally about their
lifestyle. I haven't met a single American who was taught it at school
which, to me, seems absurd. It seems that all americans know about the
pilgrim fathers which in terms of the whole picture was a fairly
insignificant event.

This is not a dig at American education because I am sure the same applies
to me, it's just that I can't see my gaps unless someone points them out to
me.

To what do you base this on?

I was taught all of that stuff in depth when I was in grade school, some
40 years ago. My son is currently in elementary school, and that is
what they are doing right now.

-Chuck