WEP

[Claude Hopper]

I do not have WPA on my old wireless router. I never could set up WEP
and still can't with VISTA. The goddamn thing will either not connect or
connect with limited access and cannot connect to the internet.
I have tried 64 bit and 128 it. I've tried 5 or 13 characters and 10 or
26 characters hex. Why won't this crap work right? I connect fine with
it disabled on both ends.

--
Claude Hopper

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[Jeff Liebermann]

On Wed, 03 Dec 2008 12:21:43 -0500, Claude Hopper
<boobooililililil@roadrunner.com> wrote:

I do not have WPA on my old wireless router. I never could set up WEP
and still can't with VISTA. The goddamn thing will either not connect or
connect with limited access and cannot connect to the internet.
I have tried 64 bit and 128 it. I've tried 5 or 13 characters and 10 or
26 characters hex. Why won't this crap work right? I connect fine with
it disabled on both ends.

Did you check for firmware updates on your unspecified model router?

Some wireless routers seem to have a difficult time with WEP. It's
usually the ASCII to Hex conversion, but you've already tried using a
Hex key. Perhaps this is a clue that it's time to get an new wireless
router?

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[Adrian C]

Claude Hopper wrote:

I do not have WPA on my old wireless router. I never could set up WEP
and still can't with VISTA. The goddamn thing will either not connect or
connect with limited access and cannot connect to the internet.
I have tried 64 bit and 128 it. I've tried 5 or 13 characters and 10 or
26 characters hex. Why won't this crap work right? I connect fine with
it disabled on both ends.

What colour is it?

--
Adrian C

 

[Meat Plow]

On Wed, 03 Dec 2008 12:21:43 -0500, Claude Hopper
<boobooililililil@roadrunner.com>wrote:

I do not have WPA on my old wireless router. I never could set up WEP
and still can't with VISTA. The goddamn thing will either not connect or
connect with limited access and cannot connect to the internet.
I have tried 64 bit and 128 it. I've tried 5 or 13 characters and 10 or
26 characters hex. Why won't this crap work right? I connect fine with
it disabled on both ends.

WEP and Vista get along fine. Also used WEP on a laptop with Ubuntu
8.10 linux. My guess it's time for a new wireless router or a firmware
update.

 

[Samuel M. Goldwasser]

Meat Plow <meat@petitmorte.net> writes:

On Wed, 03 Dec 2008 12:21:43 -0500, Claude Hopper
boobooililililil@roadrunner.com>wrote:

I do not have WPA on my old wireless router. I never could set up WEP
and still can't with VISTA. The goddamn thing will either not connect or
connect with limited access and cannot connect to the internet.
I have tried 64 bit and 128 it. I've tried 5 or 13 characters and 10 or
26 characters hex. Why won't this crap work right? I connect fine with
it disabled on both ends.

WEP and Vista get along fine. Also used WEP on a laptop with Ubuntu
8.10 linux. My guess it's time for a new wireless router or a firmware
update.

Never had a problem with WEP on namebrand routers. Win98 through XP.

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[rebel]

On 03 Dec 2008 19:51:45 -0500, sam@seas.upenn.edu (Samuel M. Goldwasser) wrote:

Meat Plow <meat@petitmorte.net> writes:

On Wed, 03 Dec 2008 12:21:43 -0500, Claude Hopper
boobooililililil@roadrunner.com>wrote:

I do not have WPA on my old wireless router. I never could set up WEP
and still can't with VISTA. The goddamn thing will either not connect or
connect with limited access and cannot connect to the internet.
I have tried 64 bit and 128 it. I've tried 5 or 13 characters and 10 or
26 characters hex. Why won't this crap work right? I connect fine with
it disabled on both ends.

WEP and Vista get along fine. Also used WEP on a laptop with Ubuntu
8.10 linux. My guess it's time for a new wireless router or a firmware
update.

Never had a problem with WEP on namebrand routers. Win98 through XP.

Sam, do you recall which ones you used for WEP under 98?

 

[Geoffrey S. Mendelson]

rebel wrote:

Never had a problem with WEP on namebrand routers. Win98 through XP.

Sam, do you recall which ones you used for WEP under 98?

I've used an original (graphite with one ethernet port) Apple Airport,
EdiMax and D-Link 11mbps routers, and Linksys access points with Windows
98 and XP, MacOS 7.6-10.4, and Linux using 64 bit WEP and have had no
problems.

The most reliable one when it comes to intial connections, was the Apple.

Geoff.

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[Samuel M. Goldwasser]

rebel <me@privacy.net> writes:

On 03 Dec 2008 19:51:45 -0500, sam@seas.upenn.edu (Samuel M. Goldwasser) wrote:

Meat Plow <meat@petitmorte.net> writes:

On Wed, 03 Dec 2008 12:21:43 -0500, Claude Hopper
boobooililililil@roadrunner.com>wrote:

I do not have WPA on my old wireless router. I never could set up WEP
and still can't with VISTA. The goddamn thing will either not connect or
connect with limited access and cannot connect to the internet.
I have tried 64 bit and 128 it. I've tried 5 or 13 characters and 10 or
26 characters hex. Why won't this crap work right? I connect fine with
it disabled on both ends.

WEP and Vista get along fine. Also used WEP on a laptop with Ubuntu
8.10 linux. My guess it's time for a new wireless router or a firmware
update.

Never had a problem with WEP on namebrand routers. Win98 through XP.

Sam, do you recall which ones you used for WEP under 98?

Probably D-Link. But why should WEP care about the OS?

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[Meat Plow]

On 04 Dec 2008 09:20:47 -0500, sam@seas.upenn.edu (Samuel M.
Goldwasser)wrote:

rebel <me@privacy.net> writes:

On 03 Dec 2008 19:51:45 -0500, sam@seas.upenn.edu (Samuel M. Goldwasser) wrote:

Meat Plow <meat@petitmorte.net> writes:

On Wed, 03 Dec 2008 12:21:43 -0500, Claude Hopper
boobooililililil@roadrunner.com>wrote:

I do not have WPA on my old wireless router. I never could set up WEP
and still can't with VISTA. The goddamn thing will either not connect or
connect with limited access and cannot connect to the internet.
I have tried 64 bit and 128 it. I've tried 5 or 13 characters and 10 or
26 characters hex. Why won't this crap work right? I connect fine with
it disabled on both ends.

WEP and Vista get along fine. Also used WEP on a laptop with Ubuntu
8.10 linux. My guess it's time for a new wireless router or a firmware
update.

Never had a problem with WEP on namebrand routers. Win98 through XP.

Sam, do you recall which ones you used for WEP under 98?

Probably D-Link. But why should WEP care about the OS?

Because different OS use different WEP backends. Even within Windows
I'm sure the WEP backends have chenged builds/dll's/code/etc... over
the years and like it or not some routers worked (nicer) with certain
WEP code in the OS than others.

 

[rebel]

On 04 Dec 2008 09:20:47 -0500, sam@seas.upenn.edu (Samuel M. Goldwasser) wrote:

rebel <me@privacy.net> writes:

On 03 Dec 2008 19:51:45 -0500, sam@seas.upenn.edu (Samuel M. Goldwasser) wrote:

Meat Plow <meat@petitmorte.net> writes:

On Wed, 03 Dec 2008 12:21:43 -0500, Claude Hopper
boobooililililil@roadrunner.com>wrote:

I do not have WPA on my old wireless router. I never could set up WEP
and still can't with VISTA. The goddamn thing will either not connect or
connect with limited access and cannot connect to the internet.
I have tried 64 bit and 128 it. I've tried 5 or 13 characters and 10 or
26 characters hex. Why won't this crap work right? I connect fine with
it disabled on both ends.

WEP and Vista get along fine. Also used WEP on a laptop with Ubuntu
8.10 linux. My guess it's time for a new wireless router or a firmware
update.

Never had a problem with WEP on namebrand routers. Win98 through XP.

Sam, do you recall which ones you used for WEP under 98?

Probably D-Link. But why should WEP care about the OS?

Because the issues with getting WEP operating properly under 98 are frequent and
apparently vary by brand of router or wireless NIC.

 

[Geoffrey S. Mendelson]

rebel wrote:

Because the issues with getting WEP operating properly under 98 are frequent and
apparently vary by brand of router or wireless NIC.

You got that right. The NIC drivers were not included in Windows and each
manufacturer had their own drivers. Many companies OEM'ed the Lucent cards
(WaveLan aka Orinoco) and used their drivers, but others did not.

It wasn't until service pack 2 of Windows XP that full WiFi support was
included in the operating system.

Meanwhile it was a moving target, as it were, to get a WiFi card work
with a particular router.

The best thing to do, IMHO if you need Windows 98 support is to buy one
a card and router/access point that internally use an original Orinoco
card or the chipset.

One thing to avoid if at all possible is a USB dongle, USB support under
Windows 98/SE was not good.

Geoff.


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[IanM]

Geoffrey S. Mendelson wrote:

rebel wrote:

Because the issues with getting WEP operating properly under 98 are frequent and
apparently vary by brand of router or wireless NIC.


You got that right. The NIC drivers were not included in Windows and each
manufacturer had their own drivers. Many companies OEM'ed the Lucent cards
(WaveLan aka Orinoco) and used their drivers, but others did not.

It wasn't until service pack 2 of Windows XP that full WiFi support was
included in the operating system.

Meanwhile it was a moving target, as it were, to get a WiFi card work
with a particular router.

The best thing to do, IMHO if you need Windows 98 support is to buy one
a card and router/access point that internally use an original Orinoco
card or the chipset.

One thing to avoid if at all possible is a USB dongle, USB support under
Windows 98/SE was not good.

Geoff.


Ralink chipset USB WiFi sticks work well under Win98SE upwards. One

brand using this chipset is Sweex. I've been using a Sweex LW053 stick
with WPA encryption under 98SE for the last two years with no
significant problems. It is also good for WEP and unencrypted. No
notable problems hot plugging it either. It is USB 2.0 capable but
works fine on a USB 1.1 port (I DONT reccomend running it off a hub).
It will run OK on a minimum spec PC (early Celeron or PII with 32MB ram)
but you wont be able to do much with the resulting connection ;-)

The only problem I've encountered is that if you are repeatedly scanning
for networks, the driver can occasionally get borked with the result the
networ list is empty or contains old information. Easily fixed by
closing the utility, unplugging the stick, waiting for the tray icon to
change then plugging it back in.

Its the only brand/chipset I've found that is stable and supports WPA on
old PCs.

For significantly better USB support for storage devices under Win98SE,
install Maximus Decim Native USB ver.3.3 for generic drivers for storage
devices. Memory sticks, Cameras and MP3 players that use a drive
letter, external hard drives and CD/DVDs just work. I've even had good
results with an external DVD writer and NERO!

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