!@#$%&* Wedge Base Lamp Socket

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Jim Thompson

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I've got outdoor lights (12VAC) that use wedge base sockets. Only
problem is the lamps seem to disintegrate in the heat and break off
when you try to change the bulb.

(1) Any Tricks to get the !@#$%&* glass out of the socket?

(2) Alternative socket and bulb style that's small like that?

...Jim Thompson
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I love to cook with wine. Sometimes I even put it in the food.
 
"Jim Thompson" <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
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I've got outdoor lights (12VAC) that use wedge base sockets. Only
problem is the lamps seem to disintegrate in the heat and break off
when you try to change the bulb.

(1) Any Tricks to get the !@#$%&* glass out of the socket?

(2) Alternative socket and bulb style that's small like that?

...Jim Thompson
--
I have experienced this issue a multiple of times on exterior landscape type
Click to expand...
fixtures. My first impression was that it would be near impossible to
construct the sockets, or the fixtures, out of a lower quality material.
:-]

The solutions I've tried that appear to work are:

1) Changed from an 11 watt lamp to a 7 watt lamp to reduce the heat issues.

2) Buffed & coated the contacts on the lamp with a silicone spray to reduce
corrosion, and the resulting removal difficulty.

3) Gently move the burned out lamp from side to side (helps to break the
lamp loose from any welded, or seized contacts) before attempting to remove
it.

4) Replace any of the sockets with loose, or low tension contacts, that
allow arcing to take place.

Since taking these actions it's been years since I've had a lamp break on
removal.

For the lamps that broke on removal I constructed a pick to help remove the
broken lamp base. It consisted of a thin piece of flat spring steel (street
cleaner brush) with a short hook bent on the end, and ground down to fit
into the socket. This allowed the hook to be slipped in along the side of
the lamp, and pull it out. A small pair of Hemostats (like a medical person
would use) also works.

Louis--
*********************************************
Remove the two fish in address to respond
 
Jim Thompson wrote:
I've got outdoor lights (12VAC) that use wedge base sockets. Only
problem is the lamps seem to disintegrate in the heat and break off
when you try to change the bulb.

(1) Any Tricks to get the !@#$%&* glass out of the socket?

(2) Alternative socket and bulb style that's small like that?

...Jim Thompson
Click to expand...
How about trying a small piece of surgical rubber tubing, like the
lamp extractors for the old telephone style wedge base lamps used in the
old 1A2 W-E PBX systems? It slid over the glass as far as possible, and
you gently wiggled the lamp out of the socket.


--


Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida
 
On Tue, 04 Nov 2003 20:29:02 GMT, "Louis Bybee"
<louistroutbybee@comcasttrout.net> wrote:

"Jim Thompson" <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
news:r90gqvo34mrjird79ai7g1tc154jk5cah9@4ax.com...
I've got outdoor lights (12VAC) that use wedge base sockets. Only
problem is the lamps seem to disintegrate in the heat and break off
when you try to change the bulb.

(1) Any Tricks to get the !@#$%&* glass out of the socket?

(2) Alternative socket and bulb style that's small like that?

...Jim Thompson
--
I have experienced this issue a multiple of times on exterior landscape type
fixtures. My first impression was that it would be near impossible to
construct the sockets, or the fixtures, out of a lower quality material.
:-]

The solutions I've tried that appear to work are:

1) Changed from an 11 watt lamp to a 7 watt lamp to reduce the heat issues.

2) Buffed & coated the contacts on the lamp with a silicone spray to reduce
corrosion, and the resulting removal difficulty.

3) Gently move the burned out lamp from side to side (helps to break the
lamp loose from any welded, or seized contacts) before attempting to remove
it.

4) Replace any of the sockets with loose, or low tension contacts, that
allow arcing to take place.

Since taking these actions it's been years since I've had a lamp break on
removal.

For the lamps that broke on removal I constructed a pick to help remove the
broken lamp base. It consisted of a thin piece of flat spring steel (street
cleaner brush) with a short hook bent on the end, and ground down to fit
into the socket. This allowed the hook to be slipped in along the side of
the lamp, and pull it out. A small pair of Hemostats (like a medical person
would use) also works.

Louis--
*********************************************
Remove the two fish in address to respond
Click to expand...
Aha! Got out the hemostat (used normally to hold small objects while
soldering) and literally removed the wedge end of the bulb bit-of-glas
by bit-of-glass :-(

Now, what kind of silicone spray do you recommend?

Thanks for your pointers! I was dead-ending trying to find
replacement sockets.

...Jim Thompson
--
| James E.Thompson, P.E. | mens |
| Analog Innovations, Inc. | et |
| Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus |
| Phoenix, Arizona Voice:(480)460-2350 | |
| E-mail Address at Website Fax:(480)460-2142 | Brass Rat |
| http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 |

I love to cook with wine. Sometimes I even put it in the food.
 
"Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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Jim Thompson wrote:

I've got outdoor lights (12VAC) that use wedge base sockets. Only
problem is the lamps seem to disintegrate in the heat and break off
when you try to change the bulb.

(1) Any Tricks to get the !@#$%&* glass out of the socket?

(2) Alternative socket and bulb style that's small like that?

...Jim Thompson

How about trying a small piece of surgical rubber tubing, like the
lamp extractors for the old telephone style wedge base lamps used in the
old 1A2 W-E PBX systems? It slid over the glass as far as possible, and
you gently wiggled the lamp out of the socket.

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida
Click to expand...
Or use a pen body - cut the end off to leave a hole of size 'x', where 'x'
fits the bulb. :) Used one of these to remove small bulbs from equipment
in years gone by.

Ken
 
"Jim Thompson" <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
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On Tue, 04 Nov 2003 20:29:02 GMT, "Louis Bybee"
louistroutbybee@comcasttrout.net> wrote:

"Jim Thompson" <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
news:r90gqvo34mrjird79ai7g1tc154jk5cah9@4ax.com...
I've got outdoor lights (12VAC) that use wedge base sockets. Only
problem is the lamps seem to disintegrate in the heat and break off
when you try to change the bulb.

(1) Any Tricks to get the !@#$%&* glass out of the socket?

(2) Alternative socket and bulb style that's small like that?

...Jim Thompson
--
I have experienced this issue a multiple of times on exterior landscape
type
fixtures. My first impression was that it would be near impossible to
construct the sockets, or the fixtures, out of a lower quality material.
:-]

The solutions I've tried that appear to work are:

1) Changed from an 11 watt lamp to a 7 watt lamp to reduce the heat
issues.

2) Buffed & coated the contacts on the lamp with a silicone spray to
reduce
corrosion, and the resulting removal difficulty.

3) Gently move the burned out lamp from side to side (helps to break the
lamp loose from any welded, or seized contacts) before attempting to
remove
it.

4) Replace any of the sockets with loose, or low tension contacts, that
allow arcing to take place.

Since taking these actions it's been years since I've had a lamp break on
removal.

For the lamps that broke on removal I constructed a pick to help remove
the
broken lamp base. It consisted of a thin piece of flat spring steel
(street
cleaner brush) with a short hook bent on the end, and ground down to fit
into the socket. This allowed the hook to be slipped in along the side of
the lamp, and pull it out. A small pair of Hemostats (like a medical
person
would use) also works.

Louis--
*********************************************
Remove the two fish in address to respond


Aha! Got out the hemostat (used normally to hold small objects while
soldering) and literally removed the wedge end of the bulb bit-of-glas
by bit-of-glass :-(

Now, what kind of silicone spray do you recommend?

Thanks for your pointers! I was dead-ending trying to find
replacement sockets.

...Jim Thompson
--
I use LPS brand available at the local electrical supply.
Click to expand...

I suspect that if you were very careful in placement, and amount used, an
anti-oxidant (no-ox) compound would work also.

The silicone has always worked for me so I haven't tried anything else.

Louis--
*********************************************
Remove the two fish in address to respond
 
Jim Thompson wrote:
On Tue, 04 Nov 2003 20:29:02 GMT, "Louis Bybee"
louistroutbybee@comcasttrout.net> wrote:

"Jim Thompson" <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
news:r90gqvo34mrjird79ai7g1tc154jk5cah9@4ax.com...
I've got outdoor lights (12VAC) that use wedge base sockets. Only
problem is the lamps seem to disintegrate in the heat and break off
when you try to change the bulb.

(1) Any Tricks to get the !@#$%&* glass out of the socket?

(2) Alternative socket and bulb style that's small like that?

...Jim Thompson
--
I have experienced this issue a multiple of times on exterior landscape type
fixtures. My first impression was that it would be near impossible to
construct the sockets, or the fixtures, out of a lower quality material.
:-]

The solutions I've tried that appear to work are:

1) Changed from an 11 watt lamp to a 7 watt lamp to reduce the heat issues.

2) Buffed & coated the contacts on the lamp with a silicone spray to reduce
corrosion, and the resulting removal difficulty.

3) Gently move the burned out lamp from side to side (helps to break the
lamp loose from any welded, or seized contacts) before attempting to remove
it.

4) Replace any of the sockets with loose, or low tension contacts, that
allow arcing to take place.

Since taking these actions it's been years since I've had a lamp break on
removal.

For the lamps that broke on removal I constructed a pick to help remove the
broken lamp base. It consisted of a thin piece of flat spring steel (street
cleaner brush) with a short hook bent on the end, and ground down to fit
into the socket. This allowed the hook to be slipped in along the side of
the lamp, and pull it out. A small pair of Hemostats (like a medical person
would use) also works.

Louis--
*********************************************
Remove the two fish in address to respond


Aha! Got out the hemostat (used normally to hold small objects while
soldering) and literally removed the wedge end of the bulb bit-of-glas
by bit-of-glass :-(

Now, what kind of silicone spray do you recommend?

Thanks for your pointers! I was dead-ending trying to find
replacement sockets.
Click to expand...
I have some contact lubricant/protector. I think I bought it at an auto
parts store. It is used for trailer light plugs but the instructions say
that it can be used on 110V lamps to prevent seizing. This stuff looks a
lot like Vaseline.

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On Tue, 04 Nov 2003 12:47:27 -0700, Jim Thompson
<invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote:

I've got outdoor lights (12VAC) that use wedge base sockets. Only
problem is the lamps seem to disintegrate in the heat and break off
when you try to change the bulb.

(1) Any Tricks to get the !@#$%&* glass out of the socket?

(2) Alternative socket and bulb style that's small like that?

...Jim Thompson
Click to expand...

Jim, to get the glass out, cut a potato in half and shove the cut end
into the socket then unscrew as if the potato were a bulb.
 
On Wed, 05 Nov 2003 09:44:48 -0800, EEng <unmaileeng@budget.net>
wrote:

On Tue, 04 Nov 2003 12:47:27 -0700, Jim Thompson
invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote:

I've got outdoor lights (12VAC) that use wedge base sockets. Only
problem is the lamps seem to disintegrate in the heat and break off
when you try to change the bulb.

(1) Any Tricks to get the !@#$%&* glass out of the socket?

(2) Alternative socket and bulb style that's small like that?

...Jim Thompson


Jim, to get the glass out, cut a potato in half and shove the cut end
into the socket then unscrew as if the potato were a bulb.
Click to expand...
It's *wedge* base ;-)

But I've used the potato trick on some ceiling floods that decided to
come out minus the threaded part.

...Jim Thompson
--
| James E.Thompson, P.E. | mens |
| Analog Innovations, Inc. | et |
| Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus |
| Phoenix, Arizona Voice:(480)460-2350 | |
| E-mail Address at Website Fax:(480)460-2142 | Brass Rat |
| http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 |

I love to cook with wine. Sometimes I even put it in the food.
 
In news:0ndiqv8evj5cmaoeqi29v4eviipqci3v6k@4ax.com (EEng):
On Tue, 04 Nov 2003 12:47:27 -0700, Jim Thompson
invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote:

I've got outdoor lights (12VAC) that use wedge base sockets. Only
problem is the lamps seem to disintegrate in the heat and break off
when you try to change the bulb.

(1) Any Tricks to get the !@#$%&* glass out of the socket?

(2) Alternative socket and bulb style that's small like that?

...Jim Thompson


Jim, to get the glass out, cut a potato in half and shove the cut end
into the socket then unscrew as if the potato were a bulb.
Click to expand...

No, to get the glass out, cut a potato in half, shove the cut end into the
socket, twist for about 2 minutes, then bury the potato and forget about it.
Problem solved!

: )
 
On Tue, 04 Nov 2003 12:47:27 -0700, Jim Thompson
<invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote:

I've got outdoor lights (12VAC) that use wedge base sockets. Only
problem is the lamps seem to disintegrate in the heat and break off
when you try to change the bulb.

(1) Any Tricks to get the !@#$%&* glass out of the socket?

(2) Alternative socket and bulb style that's small like that?

...Jim Thompson
Click to expand...
Made myself a tool to handle this kind of problem. See picture at:

Newsgroup: alt.binaries.schematics.electronic
Subject: !@#$%&* Wedge Base Lamp Socket - BulbExtractor.gif
Message-ID: <85viqv4g4c8lcunueapka8rrpcqit7uv58@4ax.com>


...Jim Thompson
--
| James E.Thompson, P.E. | mens |
| Analog Innovations, Inc. | et |
| Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus |
| Phoenix, Arizona Voice:(480)460-2350 | |
| E-mail Address at Website Fax:(480)460-2142 | Brass Rat |
| http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 |

I love to cook with wine. Sometimes I even put it in the food.
 
On Wed, 5 Nov 2003 13:14:24 -0500, "Mark Jones" <127.0.0.1> wroth:

In news:0ndiqv8evj5cmaoeqi29v4eviipqci3v6k@4ax.com (EEng):
On Tue, 04 Nov 2003 12:47:27 -0700, Jim Thompson
invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote:

I've got outdoor lights (12VAC) that use wedge base sockets. Only
problem is the lamps seem to disintegrate in the heat and break off
when you try to change the bulb.

(1) Any Tricks to get the !@#$%&* glass out of the socket?

(2) Alternative socket and bulb style that's small like that?

...Jim Thompson


Jim, to get the glass out, cut a potato in half and shove the cut end
into the socket then unscrew as if the potato were a bulb.


No, to get the glass out, cut a potato in half, shove the cut end into the
socket, twist for about 2 minutes, then bury the potato and forget about it.
Problem solved!

: )
Click to expand...
I tried that once and all my warts went away!

Jim
 
James Meyer posted for all of us....

I tried that once and all my warts went away!

Jim

Genital?
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Politicians & diapers are filled with it & both should be changed regularly.
 
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