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George Herold
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On Wednesday, August 21, 2019 at 1:58:30 PM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
Huh, putting tape over the hot spot made it worse... hotter.
I wouldn't have thought of that.
So if you have a solar panel that is partially shaded, does the shaded
part get hotter?
George H.
On Wed, 21 Aug 2019 11:59:14 -0500, John S <Sophi.2@invalid.org
wrote:
Dave Jones:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WzpXyNNZg38
Here's the story without the whiney voice:
https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2019/08/after-seven-roof-fires-walmart-sues-tesla-over-solar-panel-flaws/
Don't all Tesla products catch fire?
Huh, putting tape over the hot spot made it worse... hotter.
I wouldn't have thought of that.
So if you have a solar panel that is partially shaded, does the shaded
part get hotter?
George H.
J
John Larkin
Guest
On Wed, 21 Aug 2019 11:59:14 -0500, John S <Sophi.2@invalid.org>
wrote:
Here's the story without the whiney voice:
https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2019/08/after-seven-roof-fires-walmart-sues-tesla-over-solar-panel-flaws/
Don't all Tesla products catch fire?
wrote:
Dave Jones:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WzpXyNNZg38
Here's the story without the whiney voice:
https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2019/08/after-seven-roof-fires-walmart-sues-tesla-over-solar-panel-flaws/
Don't all Tesla products catch fire?
J
John Larkin
Guest
On Wed, 21 Aug 2019 11:34:00 -0700 (PDT), George Herold
<gherold@teachspin.com> wrote:
The limiting case is 100% shaded, namely in the dark.
<gherold@teachspin.com> wrote:
On Wednesday, August 21, 2019 at 1:58:30 PM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
On Wed, 21 Aug 2019 11:59:14 -0500, John S <Sophi.2@invalid.org
wrote:
Dave Jones:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WzpXyNNZg38
Here's the story without the whiney voice:
https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2019/08/after-seven-roof-fires-walmart-sues-tesla-over-solar-panel-flaws/
Don't all Tesla products catch fire?
Huh, putting tape over the hot spot made it worse... hotter.
I wouldn't have thought of that.
So if you have a solar panel that is partially shaded, does the shaded
part get hotter?
George H.
The limiting case is 100% shaded, namely in the dark.
R
Rick C
Guest
On Wednesday, August 21, 2019 at 1:58:30 PM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
You mean like GM, Ford, et. al? Yeah, put a lot of energy in a small container and then run it into a wall and you get a lot of fires.
Why does no one talk about the truly disastrous fires that other energy sources have?
https://bit.ly/33LLTEx
How about nuclear fires?
"The NRC estimates that the risk of reactor meltdown from fire hazards is roughly equal to the meltdown risk from all other hazards combined."
I've already talked about how the risk of core damage resulting in radiation leakage due to earthquake is not trivial. While the risk per reactor per year is small, the large number of reactors and the long lifespan of these reactors result in a significant chance of a serious accident. Now I see the chances of a reactor accidents due to fires are even greater!
Anyone actually paying attention to the realities or do they just like to get themselves wound up over the "glamorous" stuff of the day. I guess some people only get their news from Yahoo.
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On Wed, 21 Aug 2019 11:59:14 -0500, John S <Sophi.2@invalid.org
wrote:
Dave Jones:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WzpXyNNZg38
Here's the story without the whiney voice:
https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2019/08/after-seven-roof-fires-walmart-sues-tesla-over-solar-panel-flaws/
Don't all Tesla products catch fire?
You mean like GM, Ford, et. al? Yeah, put a lot of energy in a small container and then run it into a wall and you get a lot of fires.
Why does no one talk about the truly disastrous fires that other energy sources have?
https://bit.ly/33LLTEx
How about nuclear fires?
"The NRC estimates that the risk of reactor meltdown from fire hazards is roughly equal to the meltdown risk from all other hazards combined."
I've already talked about how the risk of core damage resulting in radiation leakage due to earthquake is not trivial. While the risk per reactor per year is small, the large number of reactors and the long lifespan of these reactors result in a significant chance of a serious accident. Now I see the chances of a reactor accidents due to fires are even greater!
Anyone actually paying attention to the realities or do they just like to get themselves wound up over the "glamorous" stuff of the day. I guess some people only get their news from Yahoo.
--
Rick C.
- Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
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bitrex
Guest
On 8/21/19 2:53 PM, John Larkin wrote:
Amazon rain forest catches fire and burns down when you let a
Trump-buddy run Brazil.
<https://www.cnn.com/2019/08/21/americas/amazon-rainforest-fire-intl-hnk-trnd/index.html>
If only we could offer Jeff Bezos up as a sacrifice in exchange for a
few acres of it back
On Wed, 21 Aug 2019 11:34:00 -0700 (PDT), George Herold
gherold@teachspin.com> wrote:
On Wednesday, August 21, 2019 at 1:58:30 PM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
On Wed, 21 Aug 2019 11:59:14 -0500, John S <Sophi.2@invalid.org
wrote:
Dave Jones:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WzpXyNNZg38
Here's the story without the whiney voice:
https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2019/08/after-seven-roof-fires-walmart-sues-tesla-over-solar-panel-flaws/
Don't all Tesla products catch fire?
Amazon rain forest catches fire and burns down when you let a
Trump-buddy run Brazil.
<https://www.cnn.com/2019/08/21/americas/amazon-rainforest-fire-intl-hnk-trnd/index.html>
If only we could offer Jeff Bezos up as a sacrifice in exchange for a
few acres of it back
G
George Herold
Guest
On Wednesday, August 21, 2019 at 8:52:53 PM UTC-4, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
I think we should all agree to be good custodians of our planet,
it's totally the best one in the neighborhood.
George H.
I'm pretty sure, lots (~50%?) of the fires in Brazil are set by humans clearing land to plant other stuff... But I don't know...On Wed, 21 Aug 2019 20:41:33 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:
On 8/21/19 2:53 PM, John Larkin wrote:
On Wed, 21 Aug 2019 11:34:00 -0700 (PDT), George Herold
gherold@teachspin.com> wrote:
On Wednesday, August 21, 2019 at 1:58:30 PM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
On Wed, 21 Aug 2019 11:59:14 -0500, John S <Sophi.2@invalid.org
wrote:
Dave Jones:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WzpXyNNZg38
Here's the story without the whiney voice:
https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2019/08/after-seven-roof-fires-walmart-sues-tesla-over-solar-panel-flaws/
Don't all Tesla products catch fire?
Amazon rain forest catches fire and burns down when you let a
Trump-buddy run Brazil.
https://www.cnn.com/2019/08/21/americas/amazon-rainforest-fire-intl-hnk-trnd/index.html
If only we could offer Jeff Bezos up as a sacrifice in exchange for a
few acres of it back
Fires are natural. Putting out fires is unnatural.
I think we should all agree to be good custodians of our planet,
it's totally the best one in the neighborhood.
George H.
What don't you like about nature?
We have big fires in California even though almost all of the
government is Democrats. Maybe because most are Democrats.
B
bitrex
Guest
On 8/21/19 8:52 PM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
The aging process is entirely natural too. and it's never too late to
grow up, peter pan.
Maybe California is America's Never-Never Land.
On Wed, 21 Aug 2019 20:41:33 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:
On 8/21/19 2:53 PM, John Larkin wrote:
On Wed, 21 Aug 2019 11:34:00 -0700 (PDT), George Herold
gherold@teachspin.com> wrote:
On Wednesday, August 21, 2019 at 1:58:30 PM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
On Wed, 21 Aug 2019 11:59:14 -0500, John S <Sophi.2@invalid.org
wrote:
Dave Jones:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WzpXyNNZg38
Here's the story without the whiney voice:
https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2019/08/after-seven-roof-fires-walmart-sues-tesla-over-solar-panel-flaws/
Don't all Tesla products catch fire?
Amazon rain forest catches fire and burns down when you let a
Trump-buddy run Brazil.
https://www.cnn.com/2019/08/21/americas/amazon-rainforest-fire-intl-hnk-trnd/index.html
If only we could offer Jeff Bezos up as a sacrifice in exchange for a
few acres of it back
Fires are natural. Putting out fires is unnatural.
What don't you like about nature?
The aging process is entirely natural too. and it's never too late to
grow up, peter pan.
We have big fires in California even though almost all of the
government is Democrats. Maybe because most are Democrats.
Maybe California is America's Never-Never Land.
Guest
On Wed, 21 Aug 2019 20:41:33 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:
Fires are natural. Putting out fires is unnatural.
What don't you like about nature?
We have big fires in California even though almost all of the
government is Democrats. Maybe because most are Democrats.
On 8/21/19 2:53 PM, John Larkin wrote:
On Wed, 21 Aug 2019 11:34:00 -0700 (PDT), George Herold
gherold@teachspin.com> wrote:
On Wednesday, August 21, 2019 at 1:58:30 PM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
On Wed, 21 Aug 2019 11:59:14 -0500, John S <Sophi.2@invalid.org
wrote:
Dave Jones:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WzpXyNNZg38
Here's the story without the whiney voice:
https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2019/08/after-seven-roof-fires-walmart-sues-tesla-over-solar-panel-flaws/
Don't all Tesla products catch fire?
Amazon rain forest catches fire and burns down when you let a
Trump-buddy run Brazil.
https://www.cnn.com/2019/08/21/americas/amazon-rainforest-fire-intl-hnk-trnd/index.html
If only we could offer Jeff Bezos up as a sacrifice in exchange for a
few acres of it back
Fires are natural. Putting out fires is unnatural.
What don't you like about nature?
We have big fires in California even though almost all of the
government is Democrats. Maybe because most are Democrats.
R
Rick C
Guest
On Wednesday, August 21, 2019 at 8:52:53 PM UTC-4, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
So if someone lights you on fire, we should let it burn?
Fires are natural, what???
Since when is "natural" an implication of anything good? Floods are natural. Well, some of them are. The Johnstown flood wasn't. But maybe you think it was a good thing.
--
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On Wed, 21 Aug 2019 20:41:33 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:
On 8/21/19 2:53 PM, John Larkin wrote:
On Wed, 21 Aug 2019 11:34:00 -0700 (PDT), George Herold
gherold@teachspin.com> wrote:
On Wednesday, August 21, 2019 at 1:58:30 PM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
On Wed, 21 Aug 2019 11:59:14 -0500, John S <Sophi.2@invalid.org
wrote:
Dave Jones:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WzpXyNNZg38
Here's the story without the whiney voice:
https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2019/08/after-seven-roof-fires-walmart-sues-tesla-over-solar-panel-flaws/
Don't all Tesla products catch fire?
Amazon rain forest catches fire and burns down when you let a
Trump-buddy run Brazil.
https://www.cnn.com/2019/08/21/americas/amazon-rainforest-fire-intl-hnk-trnd/index.html
If only we could offer Jeff Bezos up as a sacrifice in exchange for a
few acres of it back
Fires are natural. Putting out fires is unnatural.
What don't you like about nature?
We have big fires in California even though almost all of the
government is Democrats. Maybe because most are Democrats.
So if someone lights you on fire, we should let it burn?
Fires are natural, what???
Since when is "natural" an implication of anything good? Floods are natural. Well, some of them are. The Johnstown flood wasn't. But maybe you think it was a good thing.
--
Rick C.
+ Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
+ Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209
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bitrex
Guest
On 8/22/19 12:16 PM, bitrex wrote:
(while meanwhile selling off the now-bare land to ranchers and pocketing
the $$$)
On 8/21/19 9:34 PM, George Herold wrote:
On Wednesday, August 21, 2019 at 8:52:53 PM UTC-4,
jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Wed, 21 Aug 2019 20:41:33 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:
On 8/21/19 2:53 PM, John Larkin wrote:
On Wed, 21 Aug 2019 11:34:00 -0700 (PDT), George Herold
gherold@teachspin.com> wrote:
On Wednesday, August 21, 2019 at 1:58:30 PM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
On Wed, 21 Aug 2019 11:59:14 -0500, John S <Sophi.2@invalid.org
wrote:
Dave Jones:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WzpXyNNZg38
Here's the story without the whiney voice:
https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2019/08/after-seven-roof-fires-walmart-sues-tesla-over-solar-panel-flaws/
Don't all Tesla products catch fire?
Amazon rain forest catches fire and burns down when you let a
Trump-buddy run Brazil.
https://www.cnn.com/2019/08/21/americas/amazon-rainforest-fire-intl-hnk-trnd/index.html
If only we could offer Jeff Bezos up as a sacrifice in exchange for a
few acres of it back
Fires are natural. Putting out fires is unnatural.
I'm pretty sure, lots (~50%?) of the fires in Brazil are set by humans
clearing land to plant other stuff... But I don't know...
I think we should all agree to be good custodians of our planet,
it's totally the best one in the neighborhood.
Brazil's right-wing fascist government Reichstag-fired the Amazon
themselves to put the blame on "leftists and NGOs" in the way right-wing
fascist governments do things
(while meanwhile selling off the now-bare land to ranchers and pocketing
the $$$)
B
bitrex
Guest
On 8/21/19 10:12 PM, Rick C wrote:
don't take most Americans seriously when they say dumb stuff like "fires
are natural." they'll respect you more if you don't lol.
If someone says something dumb like that in person you should wordlessly
drop your pants and take a huge dump on their floor and tell them
pooping is natural if they complain about it. In the New Englander-style.
Mind you I'm not saying habitually defecating outside a designation
lavatory facility is a New England trait but just that we tend to be
do-ers more than talkers when illustrating a point.
On Wednesday, August 21, 2019 at 8:52:53 PM UTC-4, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Wed, 21 Aug 2019 20:41:33 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:
On 8/21/19 2:53 PM, John Larkin wrote:
On Wed, 21 Aug 2019 11:34:00 -0700 (PDT), George Herold
gherold@teachspin.com> wrote:
On Wednesday, August 21, 2019 at 1:58:30 PM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
On Wed, 21 Aug 2019 11:59:14 -0500, John S <Sophi.2@invalid.org
wrote:
Dave Jones:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WzpXyNNZg38
Here's the story without the whiney voice:
https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2019/08/after-seven-roof-fires-walmart-sues-tesla-over-solar-panel-flaws/
Don't all Tesla products catch fire?
Amazon rain forest catches fire and burns down when you let a
Trump-buddy run Brazil.
https://www.cnn.com/2019/08/21/americas/amazon-rainforest-fire-intl-hnk-trnd/index.html
If only we could offer Jeff Bezos up as a sacrifice in exchange for a
few acres of it back
Fires are natural. Putting out fires is unnatural.
What don't you like about nature?
We have big fires in California even though almost all of the
government is Democrats. Maybe because most are Democrats.
So if someone lights you on fire, we should let it burn?
Fires are natural, what???
Since when is "natural" an implication of anything good? Floods are natural. Well, some of them are. The Johnstown flood wasn't. But maybe you think it was a good thing.
don't take most Americans seriously when they say dumb stuff like "fires
are natural." they'll respect you more if you don't lol.
If someone says something dumb like that in person you should wordlessly
drop your pants and take a huge dump on their floor and tell them
pooping is natural if they complain about it. In the New Englander-style.
Mind you I'm not saying habitually defecating outside a designation
lavatory facility is a New England trait but just that we tend to be
do-ers more than talkers when illustrating a point.
B
bitrex
Guest
On 8/21/19 9:34 PM, George Herold wrote:
Brazil's right-wing fascist government Reichstag-fired the Amazon
themselves to put the blame on "leftists and NGOs" in the way right-wing
fascist governments do things
On Wednesday, August 21, 2019 at 8:52:53 PM UTC-4, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Wed, 21 Aug 2019 20:41:33 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:
On 8/21/19 2:53 PM, John Larkin wrote:
On Wed, 21 Aug 2019 11:34:00 -0700 (PDT), George Herold
gherold@teachspin.com> wrote:
On Wednesday, August 21, 2019 at 1:58:30 PM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
On Wed, 21 Aug 2019 11:59:14 -0500, John S <Sophi.2@invalid.org
wrote:
Dave Jones:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WzpXyNNZg38
Here's the story without the whiney voice:
https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2019/08/after-seven-roof-fires-walmart-sues-tesla-over-solar-panel-flaws/
Don't all Tesla products catch fire?
Amazon rain forest catches fire and burns down when you let a
Trump-buddy run Brazil.
https://www.cnn.com/2019/08/21/americas/amazon-rainforest-fire-intl-hnk-trnd/index.html
If only we could offer Jeff Bezos up as a sacrifice in exchange for a
few acres of it back
Fires are natural. Putting out fires is unnatural.
I'm pretty sure, lots (~50%?) of the fires in Brazil are set by humans clearing land to plant other stuff... But I don't know...
I think we should all agree to be good custodians of our planet,
it's totally the best one in the neighborhood.
Brazil's right-wing fascist government Reichstag-fired the Amazon
themselves to put the blame on "leftists and NGOs" in the way right-wing
fascist governments do things
J
John Larkin
Guest
On Thu, 22 Aug 2019 12:26:18 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:
Natural is what happens unless people interfere. Good is an arbitrary
value judgement.
Plants grow. In some places, like Louisiana, their ultimate
destination is to settle into the mud and decay. But in a lot of
places, the plants must burn. Biomass, aka fuel load, builds up. There
will always be ignition sources, namely lightning.
Before the Spanish settlers showed up, the average patch of California
forest or grassland burned about every 10 years. The natives warned
the Spanish about that. The fires kept the fuel load down, and most
big trees survived. Some trees *need* fires as part of their life
cycle.
Fire is an unavoidable, natural, and arguably healthy, component of
many parts of the world.
People have been using machines and hoses and helicopters to put out
the fires, which increases the fuel load, creating giant firestorms
that kill everything. Logging used to help some, but that is
politically incorrect.
With more CO2 in the air, plants will grow more, fuel will build up
faster, so we can expect more fires.
The UK solved the forest fire problem by chopping down most of the
trees.
Why are you obsessed with excrement and so uninterested in system
dynamics?
On 8/21/19 10:12 PM, Rick C wrote:
On Wednesday, August 21, 2019 at 8:52:53 PM UTC-4, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Wed, 21 Aug 2019 20:41:33 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:
On 8/21/19 2:53 PM, John Larkin wrote:
On Wed, 21 Aug 2019 11:34:00 -0700 (PDT), George Herold
gherold@teachspin.com> wrote:
On Wednesday, August 21, 2019 at 1:58:30 PM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
On Wed, 21 Aug 2019 11:59:14 -0500, John S <Sophi.2@invalid.org
wrote:
Dave Jones:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WzpXyNNZg38
Here's the story without the whiney voice:
https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2019/08/after-seven-roof-fires-walmart-sues-tesla-over-solar-panel-flaws/
Don't all Tesla products catch fire?
Amazon rain forest catches fire and burns down when you let a
Trump-buddy run Brazil.
https://www.cnn.com/2019/08/21/americas/amazon-rainforest-fire-intl-hnk-trnd/index.html
If only we could offer Jeff Bezos up as a sacrifice in exchange for a
few acres of it back
Fires are natural. Putting out fires is unnatural.
What don't you like about nature?
We have big fires in California even though almost all of the
government is Democrats. Maybe because most are Democrats.
So if someone lights you on fire, we should let it burn?
Fires are natural, what???
Since when is "natural" an implication of anything good?
Natural is what happens unless people interfere. Good is an arbitrary
value judgement.
Floods are natural. Well, some of them are. The Johnstown flood wasn't. But maybe you think it was a good thing.
don't take most Americans seriously when they say dumb stuff like "fires
are natural." they'll respect you more if you don't lol.
Plants grow. In some places, like Louisiana, their ultimate
destination is to settle into the mud and decay. But in a lot of
places, the plants must burn. Biomass, aka fuel load, builds up. There
will always be ignition sources, namely lightning.
Before the Spanish settlers showed up, the average patch of California
forest or grassland burned about every 10 years. The natives warned
the Spanish about that. The fires kept the fuel load down, and most
big trees survived. Some trees *need* fires as part of their life
cycle.
Fire is an unavoidable, natural, and arguably healthy, component of
many parts of the world.
People have been using machines and hoses and helicopters to put out
the fires, which increases the fuel load, creating giant firestorms
that kill everything. Logging used to help some, but that is
politically incorrect.
With more CO2 in the air, plants will grow more, fuel will build up
faster, so we can expect more fires.
The UK solved the forest fire problem by chopping down most of the
trees.
If someone says something dumb like that in person you should wordlessly
drop your pants and take a huge dump on their floor and tell them
pooping is natural if they complain about it. In the New Englander-style.
Why are you obsessed with excrement and so uninterested in system
dynamics?
J
John Larkin
Guest
On Thu, 22 Aug 2019 13:54:22 -0500, Jon Elson <elson@pico-systems.com>
wrote:
Post-Columbian USA was (mostly) populated by self-selected adventurous
people. That formed the national character. California was the second
distillation of that effect. Even the Chinese railroad workers (unlike
the east-coast and deep south slaves) were self-selected risk takers.
As a bonus, California is physically spectacular, has great weather,
and is in places extremely fertile. That attracted ambitious people
too.
wrote:
On Wed, 21 Aug 2019 21:12:58 -0400, bitrex wrote:
Maybe California is America's Never-Never Land.
Oh, this has been true for 60 years or so, maybe more!
Jon
Post-Columbian USA was (mostly) populated by self-selected adventurous
people. That formed the national character. California was the second
distillation of that effect. Even the Chinese railroad workers (unlike
the east-coast and deep south slaves) were self-selected risk takers.
As a bonus, California is physically spectacular, has great weather,
and is in places extremely fertile. That attracted ambitious people
too.
J
Jon Elson
Guest
On Wed, 21 Aug 2019 21:12:58 -0400, bitrex wrote:
> Maybe California is America's Never-Never Land.
Oh, this has been true for 60 years or so, maybe more!
Jon
> Maybe California is America's Never-Never Land.
Oh, this has been true for 60 years or so, maybe more!
Jon
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boB
Guest
On Wed, 21 Aug 2019 11:34:00 -0700 (PDT), George Herold
<gherold@teachspin.com> wrote:
The bypass diode(s) conduct in that case.
And that may actually be part of or THE problem with these modules
they use. Probably some Chinese company Tesla has their name put on.
>George H.
<gherold@teachspin.com> wrote:
On Wednesday, August 21, 2019 at 1:58:30 PM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
On Wed, 21 Aug 2019 11:59:14 -0500, John S <Sophi.2@invalid.org
wrote:
Dave Jones:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WzpXyNNZg38
Here's the story without the whiney voice:
https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2019/08/after-seven-roof-fires-walmart-sues-tesla-over-solar-panel-flaws/
Don't all Tesla products catch fire?
Huh, putting tape over the hot spot made it worse... hotter.
I wouldn't have thought of that.
So if you have a solar panel that is partially shaded, does the shaded
part get hotter?
The bypass diode(s) conduct in that case.
And that may actually be part of or THE problem with these modules
they use. Probably some Chinese company Tesla has their name put on.
>George H.
B
Bill Sloman
Guest
On Friday, August 23, 2019 at 5:03:44 AM UTC+10, John Larkin wrote:
That leaves out the Puritans who wanted to practice religious intolerance of their neighbours to a degree that more cilivised countries wouldn't tolerate.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boston_martyrs
The US is a remarkably religious country, even today. It isn't religious in a particularly attractive sense - banning abortions and persecuting gays seems to be the most obvious symptom of this heightened sensibility. Much of the adventurous character seems to manifest itself in new ways of being mean to the neighbours.
--
Bill Sloman, Sydney
On Thu, 22 Aug 2019 13:54:22 -0500, Jon Elson <elson@pico-systems.com
wrote:
On Wed, 21 Aug 2019 21:12:58 -0400, bitrex wrote:
Maybe California is America's Never-Never Land.
Oh, this has been true for 60 years or so, maybe more!
Jon
Post-Columbian USA was (mostly) populated by self-selected adventurous
people.
That leaves out the Puritans who wanted to practice religious intolerance of their neighbours to a degree that more cilivised countries wouldn't tolerate.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boston_martyrs
The US is a remarkably religious country, even today. It isn't religious in a particularly attractive sense - banning abortions and persecuting gays seems to be the most obvious symptom of this heightened sensibility. Much of the adventurous character seems to manifest itself in new ways of being mean to the neighbours.
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That formed the national character. California was the second
distillation of that effect. Even the Chinese railroad workers (unlike
the east-coast and deep south slaves) were self-selected risk takers.
As a bonus, California is physically spectacular, has great weather,
and is in places extremely fertile. That attracted ambitious people
too.
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Bill Sloman
Guest
On Friday, August 23, 2019 at 4:42:16 AM UTC+10, John Larkin wrote:
In Australia, fuel reduction fires are deliberately lit in late winter and spring, as soon as the bush is dry enough to burn, but not dry enough to sustain a run-away bush fire.
It doesn't stop runaway bush fires in summer, which have to be tackled with machines and hoses and helicopters, but it does make them easier to control.
More CO2 in the air lets plants grow more, if they have enough water and other nutrients. They mostly don't. Fossilised leaves from high CO2 eras have smaller stomata, so the plant wasted less water while letting in as much CO2 as it could use.
We tell John Larkin this from time to time, but it never registers. If it showed up on Anthony Watts' denialist website, he might pay attention, but it won't.
That might have solved the UK forest fire problem, but the motivation was to use the wood in those trees.
The dynamics of a system that leads John Larkin to spout lots of denialist propaganda here do have more in common with dumping excrement in public places than John Larkin may at first appreciate.
He really should think harder before he posts nonsense.
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Bill Sloman, Sydney
On Thu, 22 Aug 2019 12:26:18 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:
On 8/21/19 10:12 PM, Rick C wrote:
On Wednesday, August 21, 2019 at 8:52:53 PM UTC-4, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Wed, 21 Aug 2019 20:41:33 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:
On 8/21/19 2:53 PM, John Larkin wrote:
On Wed, 21 Aug 2019 11:34:00 -0700 (PDT), George Herold
gherold@teachspin.com> wrote:
On Wednesday, August 21, 2019 at 1:58:30 PM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
On Wed, 21 Aug 2019 11:59:14 -0500, John S <Sophi.2@invalid.org
wrote:
Dave Jones:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WzpXyNNZg38
Here's the story without the whiney voice:
https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2019/08/after-seven-roof-fires-walmart-sues-tesla-over-solar-panel-flaws/
Don't all Tesla products catch fire?
Amazon rain forest catches fire and burns down when you let a
Trump-buddy run Brazil.
https://www.cnn.com/2019/08/21/americas/amazon-rainforest-fire-intl-hnk-trnd/index.html
If only we could offer Jeff Bezos up as a sacrifice in exchange for a
few acres of it back
Fires are natural. Putting out fires is unnatural.
What don't you like about nature?
We have big fires in California even though almost all of the
government is Democrats. Maybe because most are Democrats.
So if someone lights you on fire, we should let it burn?
Fires are natural, what???
Since when is "natural" an implication of anything good?
Natural is what happens unless people interfere. Good is an arbitrary
value judgement.
Floods are natural. Well, some of them are. The Johnstown flood wasn't. But maybe you think it was a good thing.
don't take most Americans seriously when they say dumb stuff like "fires
are natural." they'll respect you more if you don't lol.
Plants grow. In some places, like Louisiana, their ultimate
destination is to settle into the mud and decay. But in a lot of
places, the plants must burn. Biomass, aka fuel load, builds up. There
will always be ignition sources, namely lightning.
Before the Spanish settlers showed up, the average patch of California
forest or grassland burned about every 10 years. The natives warned
the Spanish about that. The fires kept the fuel load down, and most
big trees survived. Some trees *need* fires as part of their life
cycle.
Fire is an unavoidable, natural, and arguably healthy, component of
many parts of the world.
People have been using machines and hoses and helicopters to put out
the fires, which increases the fuel load, creating giant firestorms
that kill everything. Logging used to help some, but that is
politically incorrect.
In Australia, fuel reduction fires are deliberately lit in late winter and spring, as soon as the bush is dry enough to burn, but not dry enough to sustain a run-away bush fire.
It doesn't stop runaway bush fires in summer, which have to be tackled with machines and hoses and helicopters, but it does make them easier to control.
With more CO2 in the air, plants will grow more, fuel will build up
faster, so we can expect more fires.
More CO2 in the air lets plants grow more, if they have enough water and other nutrients. They mostly don't. Fossilised leaves from high CO2 eras have smaller stomata, so the plant wasted less water while letting in as much CO2 as it could use.
We tell John Larkin this from time to time, but it never registers. If it showed up on Anthony Watts' denialist website, he might pay attention, but it won't.
The UK solved the forest fire problem by chopping down most of the
trees.
That might have solved the UK forest fire problem, but the motivation was to use the wood in those trees.
If someone says something dumb like that in person you should wordlessly
drop your pants and take a huge dump on their floor and tell them
pooping is natural if they complain about it. In the New Englander-style.
Why are you obsessed with excrement and so uninterested in system
dynamics?
The dynamics of a system that leads John Larkin to spout lots of denialist propaganda here do have more in common with dumping excrement in public places than John Larkin may at first appreciate.
He really should think harder before he posts nonsense.
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Bill Sloman, Sydney
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bitrex
Guest
On 8/22/19 10:23 PM, Bill Sloman wrote:
Biblicalism, holy-roller-ism, and "Cultural Christianity" provide a
great cover story for scoundrels to hide out under and run various
hustles and confidence-game swindles. along with patriotism.
"self-selected adventurous people" = hustler.
On Friday, August 23, 2019 at 5:03:44 AM UTC+10, John Larkin wrote:
On Thu, 22 Aug 2019 13:54:22 -0500, Jon Elson <elson@pico-systems.com
wrote:
On Wed, 21 Aug 2019 21:12:58 -0400, bitrex wrote:
Maybe California is America's Never-Never Land.
Oh, this has been true for 60 years or so, maybe more!
Jon
Post-Columbian USA was (mostly) populated by self-selected adventurous
people.
That leaves out the Puritans who wanted to practice religious intolerance of their neighbours to a degree that more cilivised countries wouldn't tolerate.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boston_martyrs
The US is a remarkably religious country, even today. It isn't religious in a particularly attractive sense - banning abortions and persecuting gays seems to be the most obvious symptom of this heightened sensibility. Much of the adventurous character seems to manifest itself in new ways of being mean to the neighbours.
Biblicalism, holy-roller-ism, and "Cultural Christianity" provide a
great cover story for scoundrels to hide out under and run various
hustles and confidence-game swindles. along with patriotism.
"self-selected adventurous people" = hustler.