VW hoping to challenge Tesla...

[Dean Hoffman]

VW hired Alexander Hitzinger to develop
a new EV.
Is this wishful thinking?

\"Having a small team of highly qualified engineers, who are empowered to
take decisions unencumbered by the corporate bureaucracy of the
Volkswagen empire, should end up producing a better vehicle more quickly.\"

From
<https://www.reuters.com/article/us-volkswagen-electric-hitzinger-idUSKBN28B555>

 

[Brent Locher]

On Tuesday, December 1, 2020 at 11:38:16 AM UTC-5, Dean Hoffman wrote:

VW hired Alexander Hitzinger to develop
a new EV.
Is this wishful thinking?

\"Having a small team of highly qualified engineers, who are empowered to
take decisions unencumbered by the corporate bureaucracy of the
Volkswagen empire, should end up producing a better vehicle more quickly.\"

This is true when you have the right team. So you need both - freedom from bureaucracy and the right team.

The right team probably requires a whole bunch of 30ish year old engineers who are still too young to have their ego\'s get in the way of accomplishing the goal. And a good group of managers who care more about the product than their careers.

From
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-volkswagen-electric-hitzinger-idUSKBN28B555

 

[server]

On Tue, 1 Dec 2020 09:11:38 -0800 (PST), Brent Locher
<blocher@columbus.rr.com> wrote:

On Tuesday, December 1, 2020 at 11:38:16 AM UTC-5, Dean Hoffman wrote:
VW hired Alexander Hitzinger to develop
a new EV.
Is this wishful thinking?

\"Having a small team of highly qualified engineers, who are empowered to
take decisions unencumbered by the corporate bureaucracy of the
Volkswagen empire, should end up producing a better vehicle more quickly.\"


This is true when you have the right team. So you need both - freedom from bureaucracy and the right team.

The right team probably requires a whole bunch of 30ish year old engineers who are still too young to have their ego\'s get in the way of accomplishing the goal. And a good group of managers who care more about the product than their careers.


From
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-volkswagen-electric-hitzinger-idUSKBN28B555

There\'s probably not much innovation needed; batteries and motors and
aerodynamics are known constraints. The critical thing will be getting
the people who know how to build cars involved, which is precisely the
existing VW empire. An EV still needs a good paint job and suspensions
that don\'t break and roofs that fit and don\'t fly off.





--

John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc

The best designs are necessarily accidental.

 

[bitrex]

On 12/1/2020 11:38 AM, Dean Hoffman wrote:

   VW hired Alexander Hitzinger to develop
a new EV.
 Is this wishful thinking?

\"Having a small team of highly qualified engineers, who are empowered to
take decisions unencumbered by the corporate bureaucracy of the
Volkswagen empire, should end up producing a better vehicle more quickly.\"

  From
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-volkswagen-electric-hitzinger-idUSKBN28B555

A book about Volkswagen covering the past 20 or so years of its history
could be called \"Volkswagen: What the Hell Happened?\"

 

[bitrex]

On 12/1/2020 12:27 PM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

On Tue, 1 Dec 2020 09:11:38 -0800 (PST), Brent Locher
blocher@columbus.rr.com> wrote:

On Tuesday, December 1, 2020 at 11:38:16 AM UTC-5, Dean Hoffman wrote:
VW hired Alexander Hitzinger to develop
a new EV.
Is this wishful thinking?

\"Having a small team of highly qualified engineers, who are empowered to
take decisions unencumbered by the corporate bureaucracy of the
Volkswagen empire, should end up producing a better vehicle more quickly.\"


This is true when you have the right team. So you need both - freedom from bureaucracy and the right team.

The right team probably requires a whole bunch of 30ish year old engineers who are still too young to have their ego\'s get in the way of accomplishing the goal. And a good group of managers who care more about the product than their careers.


From
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-volkswagen-electric-hitzinger-idUSKBN28B555

There\'s probably not much innovation needed; batteries and motors and
aerodynamics are known constraints. The critical thing will be getting
the people who know how to build cars involved, which is precisely the
existing VW empire. An EV still needs a good paint job and suspensions
that don\'t break and roofs that fit and don\'t fly off.

Volkswagen already built an electric Golf for sale in the US among other
places, it was about what you\'d expect from a Volkswagen product in the
US historically speaking, underpowered and overpriced.

 

[Ed Lee]

On Tuesday, December 1, 2020 at 10:15:06 AM UTC-8, bitrex wrote:

On 12/1/2020 12:27 PM, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Tue, 1 Dec 2020 09:11:38 -0800 (PST), Brent Locher
blo...@columbus.rr.com> wrote:

On Tuesday, December 1, 2020 at 11:38:16 AM UTC-5, Dean Hoffman wrote:
VW hired Alexander Hitzinger to develop
a new EV.
Is this wishful thinking?

\"Having a small team of highly qualified engineers, who are empowered to
take decisions unencumbered by the corporate bureaucracy of the
Volkswagen empire, should end up producing a better vehicle more quickly.\"


This is true when you have the right team. So you need both - freedom from bureaucracy and the right team.

The right team probably requires a whole bunch of 30ish year old engineers who are still too young to have their ego\'s get in the way of accomplishing the goal. And a good group of managers who care more about the product than their careers.


From
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-volkswagen-electric-hitzinger-idUSKBN28B555

There\'s probably not much innovation needed; batteries and motors and
aerodynamics are known constraints. The critical thing will be getting
the people who know how to build cars involved, which is precisely the
existing VW empire. An EV still needs a good paint job and suspensions
that don\'t break and roofs that fit and don\'t fly off.

Volkswagen already built an electric Golf for sale in the US among other
places, it was about what you\'d expect from a Volkswagen product in the
US historically speaking, underpowered and overpriced.

You mean this e-Golf?

https://www.roadandtrack.com/new-cars/a31192023/the-volkswagen-e-golf-is-dead/

 

[bitrex]

On 12/1/2020 1:22 PM, Ed Lee wrote:

On Tuesday, December 1, 2020 at 10:15:06 AM UTC-8, bitrex wrote:
On 12/1/2020 12:27 PM, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Tue, 1 Dec 2020 09:11:38 -0800 (PST), Brent Locher
blo...@columbus.rr.com> wrote:

On Tuesday, December 1, 2020 at 11:38:16 AM UTC-5, Dean Hoffman wrote:
VW hired Alexander Hitzinger to develop
a new EV.
Is this wishful thinking?

\"Having a small team of highly qualified engineers, who are empowered to
take decisions unencumbered by the corporate bureaucracy of the
Volkswagen empire, should end up producing a better vehicle more quickly.\"


This is true when you have the right team. So you need both - freedom from bureaucracy and the right team.

The right team probably requires a whole bunch of 30ish year old engineers who are still too young to have their ego\'s get in the way of accomplishing the goal. And a good group of managers who care more about the product than their careers.


From
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-volkswagen-electric-hitzinger-idUSKBN28B555

There\'s probably not much innovation needed; batteries and motors and
aerodynamics are known constraints. The critical thing will be getting
the people who know how to build cars involved, which is precisely the
existing VW empire. An EV still needs a good paint job and suspensions
that don\'t break and roofs that fit and don\'t fly off.

Volkswagen already built an electric Golf for sale in the US among other
places, it was about what you\'d expect from a Volkswagen product in the
US historically speaking, underpowered and overpriced.

You mean this e-Golf?

https://www.roadandtrack.com/new-cars/a31192023/the-volkswagen-e-golf-is-dead/

Ya, it had about a 100 mile range and was nearly 40 grand for the top trim.

\"and sprint from 0-60 mph in 8.5 seconds.\"

an 8.5 second 0-60 in a car that weighs about 2800 lbs is nothing to
brag about.

 

[legg]

On Tue, 1 Dec 2020 10:38:05 -0600, Dean Hoffman <deanhofman@clod.com>
wrote:

VW hired Alexander Hitzinger to develop
a new EV.
Is this wishful thinking?

\"Having a small team of highly qualified engineers, who are empowered to
take decisions unencumbered by the corporate bureaucracy of the
Volkswagen empire, should end up producing a better vehicle more quickly.\"

From
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-volkswagen-electric-hitzinger-idUSKBN28B555

They might be better off consulting the kids at Univ Eindhoven.

I don\'t see why the high volume product needs to do anything
more intelligent than get there with a battery that won\'t die in the
process.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/technology/recycled-electric-car-1.5800761

RL

 

[Ed Lee]

On Tuesday, December 1, 2020 at 1:05:03 PM UTC-8, legg wrote:

On Tue, 1 Dec 2020 10:38:05 -0600, Dean Hoffman <deanh...@clod.com
wrote:
VW hired Alexander Hitzinger to develop
a new EV.
Is this wishful thinking?

\"Having a small team of highly qualified engineers, who are empowered to
take decisions unencumbered by the corporate bureaucracy of the
Volkswagen empire, should end up producing a better vehicle more quickly.\"

From
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-volkswagen-electric-hitzinger-idUSKBN28B555
They might be better off consulting the kids at Univ Eindhoven.

I don\'t see why the high volume product needs to do anything
more intelligent than get there with a battery that won\'t die in the
process.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/technology/recycled-electric-car-1.5800761

Might be OK in city. But getting hit inside a plastic box in highway won\'t be fun.

 

[Rick C]

On Tuesday, December 1, 2020 at 4:05:03 PM UTC-5, legg wrote:

On Tue, 1 Dec 2020 10:38:05 -0600, Dean Hoffman <deanh...@clod.com
wrote:
VW hired Alexander Hitzinger to develop
a new EV.
Is this wishful thinking?

\"Having a small team of highly qualified engineers, who are empowered to
take decisions unencumbered by the corporate bureaucracy of the
Volkswagen empire, should end up producing a better vehicle more quickly..\"

From
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-volkswagen-electric-hitzinger-idUSKBN28B555
They might be better off consulting the kids at Univ Eindhoven.

I don\'t see why the high volume product needs to do anything
more intelligent than get there with a battery that won\'t die in the
process.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/technology/recycled-electric-car-1.5800761

Yeah, my Tesla has all manner of wiz bang that barely works. What I like is that it\'s electric and works. It will be nice when in a few years every car maker has showrooms full of different models and we have real options on price and performance. Not everyone needs to go 300 - 400 miles on a charge. There are a few other EVs out there but not great options. The Leaf does not protect its battery so well and it tends to wear out prematurely.

In other five years EV stuff will be old hat and no one will give a thought to them. They\'ll just be everywhere.

The large map console is really nice though. I just wish the print on the screen was a bit larger.

--

Rick C.

- Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
- Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209

 

[John Larkin]

On Tue, 1 Dec 2020 13:55:51 -0500, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

On 12/1/2020 1:22 PM, Ed Lee wrote:
On Tuesday, December 1, 2020 at 10:15:06 AM UTC-8, bitrex wrote:
On 12/1/2020 12:27 PM, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Tue, 1 Dec 2020 09:11:38 -0800 (PST), Brent Locher
blo...@columbus.rr.com> wrote:

On Tuesday, December 1, 2020 at 11:38:16 AM UTC-5, Dean Hoffman wrote:
VW hired Alexander Hitzinger to develop
a new EV.
Is this wishful thinking?

\"Having a small team of highly qualified engineers, who are empowered to
take decisions unencumbered by the corporate bureaucracy of the
Volkswagen empire, should end up producing a better vehicle more quickly.\"


This is true when you have the right team. So you need both - freedom from bureaucracy and the right team.

The right team probably requires a whole bunch of 30ish year old engineers who are still too young to have their ego\'s get in the way of accomplishing the goal. And a good group of managers who care more about the product than their careers.


From
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-volkswagen-electric-hitzinger-idUSKBN28B555

There\'s probably not much innovation needed; batteries and motors and
aerodynamics are known constraints. The critical thing will be getting
the people who know how to build cars involved, which is precisely the
existing VW empire. An EV still needs a good paint job and suspensions
that don\'t break and roofs that fit and don\'t fly off.

Volkswagen already built an electric Golf for sale in the US among other
places, it was about what you\'d expect from a Volkswagen product in the
US historically speaking, underpowered and overpriced.

You mean this e-Golf?

https://www.roadandtrack.com/new-cars/a31192023/the-volkswagen-e-golf-is-dead/


Ya, it had about a 100 mile range and was nearly 40 grand for the top trim.

\"and sprint from 0-60 mph in 8.5 seconds.\"

an 8.5 second 0-60 in a car that weighs about 2800 lbs is nothing to
brag about.

Isn\'t wimpy peformance the way to Save The Earth? All that accel and
decel and driving over 55 MPH Wastes Resources.

 

[Cursitor Doom]

On Tue, 1 Dec 2020 10:38:05 -0600, Dean Hoffman <deanhofman@clod.com>
wrote:

VW hired Alexander Hitzinger to develop
a new EV.
Is this wishful thinking?

\"Having a small team of highly qualified engineers, who are empowered to
take decisions unencumbered by the corporate bureaucracy of the
Volkswagen empire, should end up producing a better vehicle more quickly.\"

From
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-volkswagen-electric-hitzinger-idUSKBN28B555

At least they won\'t need to fake their emissions figures this time
around.

 

[Ed Lee]

On Tuesday, December 1, 2020 at 4:31:56 PM UTC-8, John Larkin wrote:

On Tue, 1 Dec 2020 13:55:51 -0500, bitrex <us...@example.net> wrote:

On 12/1/2020 1:22 PM, Ed Lee wrote:
On Tuesday, December 1, 2020 at 10:15:06 AM UTC-8, bitrex wrote:
On 12/1/2020 12:27 PM, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Tue, 1 Dec 2020 09:11:38 -0800 (PST), Brent Locher
blo...@columbus.rr.com> wrote:

On Tuesday, December 1, 2020 at 11:38:16 AM UTC-5, Dean Hoffman wrote:
VW hired Alexander Hitzinger to develop
a new EV.
Is this wishful thinking?

\"Having a small team of highly qualified engineers, who are empowered to
take decisions unencumbered by the corporate bureaucracy of the
Volkswagen empire, should end up producing a better vehicle more quickly.\"


This is true when you have the right team. So you need both - freedom from bureaucracy and the right team.

The right team probably requires a whole bunch of 30ish year old engineers who are still too young to have their ego\'s get in the way of accomplishing the goal. And a good group of managers who care more about the product than their careers.


From
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-volkswagen-electric-hitzinger-idUSKBN28B555

There\'s probably not much innovation needed; batteries and motors and
aerodynamics are known constraints. The critical thing will be getting
the people who know how to build cars involved, which is precisely the
existing VW empire. An EV still needs a good paint job and suspensions
that don\'t break and roofs that fit and don\'t fly off.

Volkswagen already built an electric Golf for sale in the US among other
places, it was about what you\'d expect from a Volkswagen product in the
US historically speaking, underpowered and overpriced.

You mean this e-Golf?

https://www.roadandtrack.com/new-cars/a31192023/the-volkswagen-e-golf-is-dead/


Ya, it had about a 100 mile range and was nearly 40 grand for the top trim.

\"and sprint from 0-60 mph in 8.5 seconds.\"

an 8.5 second 0-60 in a car that weighs about 2800 lbs is nothing to
brag about.
Isn\'t wimpy peformance the way to Save The Earth? All that accel and
decel and driving over 55 MPH Wastes Resources.

The only time i need good acceleration is merging into the bay bridge after full stop out of Treasury Island, with 0 ramping space. It\'s 0 to 55 in a few seconds. So far, my Leaf can make it, just getting honk at several time, either from the car behind or car on the bridge (passing at 55+). Might get hit some days.

I usually wait for at least 10 car spacings before merging, but can\'t wait too long either. It\'s one of the most dangerous freeway entrance around.

 

[Dean Hoffman]

On 12/1/20 6:31 PM, John Larkin wrote:

On Tue, 1 Dec 2020 13:55:51 -0500, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

On 12/1/2020 1:22 PM, Ed Lee wrote:
On Tuesday, December 1, 2020 at 10:15:06 AM UTC-8, bitrex wrote:
On 12/1/2020 12:27 PM, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Tue, 1 Dec 2020 09:11:38 -0800 (PST), Brent Locher
blo...@columbus.rr.com> wrote:

On Tuesday, December 1, 2020 at 11:38:16 AM UTC-5, Dean Hoffman wrote:
VW hired Alexander Hitzinger to develop
a new EV.
Is this wishful thinking?

\"Having a small team of highly qualified engineers, who are empowered to
take decisions unencumbered by the corporate bureaucracy of the
Volkswagen empire, should end up producing a better vehicle more quickly.\"


This is true when you have the right team. So you need both - freedom from bureaucracy and the right team.

The right team probably requires a whole bunch of 30ish year old engineers who are still too young to have their ego\'s get in the way of accomplishing the goal. And a good group of managers who care more about the product than their careers.


From
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-volkswagen-electric-hitzinger-idUSKBN28B555

There\'s probably not much innovation needed; batteries and motors and
aerodynamics are known constraints. The critical thing will be getting
the people who know how to build cars involved, which is precisely the
existing VW empire. An EV still needs a good paint job and suspensions
that don\'t break and roofs that fit and don\'t fly off.

Volkswagen already built an electric Golf for sale in the US among other
places, it was about what you\'d expect from a Volkswagen product in the
US historically speaking, underpowered and overpriced.

You mean this e-Golf?

https://www.roadandtrack.com/new-cars/a31192023/the-volkswagen-e-golf-is-dead/


Ya, it had about a 100 mile range and was nearly 40 grand for the top trim.

\"and sprint from 0-60 mph in 8.5 seconds.\"

an 8.5 second 0-60 in a car that weighs about 2800 lbs is nothing to
brag about.

Isn\'t wimpy peformance the way to Save The Earth? All that accel and
decel and driving over 55 MPH Wastes Resources.

Maybe VW could resurrect the Beetle as an EV. It\'s the most
manufactured car made on a single platform. Over 21 million
were made.
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volkswagen_Beetle>
There are still some Baby Boomers left for the nostalgia
market. A lot of people travel alone anyhow.

 

[Rick C]

On Tuesday, December 1, 2020 at 7:49:44 PM UTC-5, Ed Lee wrote:

On Tuesday, December 1, 2020 at 4:31:56 PM UTC-8, John Larkin wrote:
On Tue, 1 Dec 2020 13:55:51 -0500, bitrex <us...@example.net> wrote:

On 12/1/2020 1:22 PM, Ed Lee wrote:
On Tuesday, December 1, 2020 at 10:15:06 AM UTC-8, bitrex wrote:
On 12/1/2020 12:27 PM, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Tue, 1 Dec 2020 09:11:38 -0800 (PST), Brent Locher
blo...@columbus.rr.com> wrote:

On Tuesday, December 1, 2020 at 11:38:16 AM UTC-5, Dean Hoffman wrote:
VW hired Alexander Hitzinger to develop
a new EV.
Is this wishful thinking?

\"Having a small team of highly qualified engineers, who are empowered to
take decisions unencumbered by the corporate bureaucracy of the
Volkswagen empire, should end up producing a better vehicle more quickly.\"


This is true when you have the right team. So you need both - freedom from bureaucracy and the right team.

The right team probably requires a whole bunch of 30ish year old engineers who are still too young to have their ego\'s get in the way of accomplishing the goal. And a good group of managers who care more about the product than their careers.


From
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-volkswagen-electric-hitzinger-idUSKBN28B555

There\'s probably not much innovation needed; batteries and motors and
aerodynamics are known constraints. The critical thing will be getting
the people who know how to build cars involved, which is precisely the
existing VW empire. An EV still needs a good paint job and suspensions
that don\'t break and roofs that fit and don\'t fly off.

Volkswagen already built an electric Golf for sale in the US among other
places, it was about what you\'d expect from a Volkswagen product in the
US historically speaking, underpowered and overpriced.

You mean this e-Golf?

https://www.roadandtrack.com/new-cars/a31192023/the-volkswagen-e-golf-is-dead/


Ya, it had about a 100 mile range and was nearly 40 grand for the top trim.

\"and sprint from 0-60 mph in 8.5 seconds.\"

an 8.5 second 0-60 in a car that weighs about 2800 lbs is nothing to
brag about.
Isn\'t wimpy peformance the way to Save The Earth? All that accel and
decel and driving over 55 MPH Wastes Resources.
The only time i need good acceleration is merging into the bay bridge after full stop out of Treasury Island, with 0 ramping space. It\'s 0 to 55 in a few seconds. So far, my Leaf can make it, just getting honk at several time, either from the car behind or car on the bridge (passing at 55+). Might get hit some days.

I usually wait for at least 10 car spacings before merging, but can\'t wait too long either. It\'s one of the most dangerous freeway entrance around.

That\'s one of the things I don\'t like about my model X, merging can be awkward just because of its size and limited visibility. It\'s really bad on the passenger side rear quarter. I use my turn signal and hope the car warns me of anything in the way. Trouble is we have different ideas of \"in the way\". The car is happy to let me pull 20 feet in front of someone. To me that\'s cutting them off.

At least merging on the highway is no issue. With a four second 0-60 it\'s very unlikely I\'ll get rear ended for sure.

--

Rick C.

+ Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
+ Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209

 

[Rick C]

On Tuesday, December 1, 2020 at 7:50:03 PM UTC-5, Dean Hoffman wrote:

On 12/1/20 6:31 PM, John Larkin wrote:
On Tue, 1 Dec 2020 13:55:51 -0500, bitrex <us...@example.net> wrote:

On 12/1/2020 1:22 PM, Ed Lee wrote:
On Tuesday, December 1, 2020 at 10:15:06 AM UTC-8, bitrex wrote:
On 12/1/2020 12:27 PM, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Tue, 1 Dec 2020 09:11:38 -0800 (PST), Brent Locher
blo...@columbus.rr.com> wrote:

On Tuesday, December 1, 2020 at 11:38:16 AM UTC-5, Dean Hoffman wrote:
VW hired Alexander Hitzinger to develop
a new EV.
Is this wishful thinking?

\"Having a small team of highly qualified engineers, who are empowered to
take decisions unencumbered by the corporate bureaucracy of the
Volkswagen empire, should end up producing a better vehicle more quickly.\"


This is true when you have the right team. So you need both - freedom from bureaucracy and the right team.

The right team probably requires a whole bunch of 30ish year old engineers who are still too young to have their ego\'s get in the way of accomplishing the goal. And a good group of managers who care more about the product than their careers.


From
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-volkswagen-electric-hitzinger-idUSKBN28B555

There\'s probably not much innovation needed; batteries and motors and
aerodynamics are known constraints. The critical thing will be getting
the people who know how to build cars involved, which is precisely the
existing VW empire. An EV still needs a good paint job and suspensions
that don\'t break and roofs that fit and don\'t fly off.

Volkswagen already built an electric Golf for sale in the US among other
places, it was about what you\'d expect from a Volkswagen product in the
US historically speaking, underpowered and overpriced.

You mean this e-Golf?

https://www.roadandtrack.com/new-cars/a31192023/the-volkswagen-e-golf-is-dead/


Ya, it had about a 100 mile range and was nearly 40 grand for the top trim.

\"and sprint from 0-60 mph in 8.5 seconds.\"

an 8.5 second 0-60 in a car that weighs about 2800 lbs is nothing to
brag about.

Isn\'t wimpy peformance the way to Save The Earth? All that accel and
decel and driving over 55 MPH Wastes Resources.



Maybe VW could resurrect the Beetle as an EV. It\'s the most
manufactured car made on a single platform. Over 21 million
were made.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volkswagen_Beetle
There are still some Baby Boomers left for the nostalgia
market. A lot of people travel alone anyhow.

I\'ve thought of converting a classic car. The Beetle is not at the top of my list, but I\'ve seen a Karmann Ghia that would be so cool to have in electric. The trouble is those cars have fond memories and may even look great, but in reality are pretty crap cars. They have really improved cars a LOT over the last 50 years. Besides, if you converted a Beetle you would have to add speakers to make that Beetle exhaust whistle.

But without a Tesla charging account, it wouldn\'t be worth it. Charging anything else would be such a PITA for me.

--

Rick C.

-- Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
-- Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209

 

[Ed Lee]

On Tuesday, December 1, 2020 at 6:10:29 PM UTC-8, gnuarm.del...@gmail.com wrote:

On Tuesday, December 1, 2020 at 7:50:03 PM UTC-5, Dean Hoffman wrote:
On 12/1/20 6:31 PM, John Larkin wrote:
On Tue, 1 Dec 2020 13:55:51 -0500, bitrex <us...@example.net> wrote:

On 12/1/2020 1:22 PM, Ed Lee wrote:
On Tuesday, December 1, 2020 at 10:15:06 AM UTC-8, bitrex wrote:
On 12/1/2020 12:27 PM, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Tue, 1 Dec 2020 09:11:38 -0800 (PST), Brent Locher
blo...@columbus.rr.com> wrote:

On Tuesday, December 1, 2020 at 11:38:16 AM UTC-5, Dean Hoffman wrote:
VW hired Alexander Hitzinger to develop
a new EV.
Is this wishful thinking?

\"Having a small team of highly qualified engineers, who are empowered to
take decisions unencumbered by the corporate bureaucracy of the
Volkswagen empire, should end up producing a better vehicle more quickly.\"


This is true when you have the right team. So you need both - freedom from bureaucracy and the right team.

The right team probably requires a whole bunch of 30ish year old engineers who are still too young to have their ego\'s get in the way of accomplishing the goal. And a good group of managers who care more about the product than their careers.


From
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-volkswagen-electric-hitzinger-idUSKBN28B555

There\'s probably not much innovation needed; batteries and motors and
aerodynamics are known constraints. The critical thing will be getting
the people who know how to build cars involved, which is precisely the
existing VW empire. An EV still needs a good paint job and suspensions
that don\'t break and roofs that fit and don\'t fly off.

Volkswagen already built an electric Golf for sale in the US among other
places, it was about what you\'d expect from a Volkswagen product in the
US historically speaking, underpowered and overpriced.

You mean this e-Golf?

https://www.roadandtrack.com/new-cars/a31192023/the-volkswagen-e-golf-is-dead/


Ya, it had about a 100 mile range and was nearly 40 grand for the top trim.

\"and sprint from 0-60 mph in 8.5 seconds.\"

an 8.5 second 0-60 in a car that weighs about 2800 lbs is nothing to
brag about.

Isn\'t wimpy peformance the way to Save The Earth? All that accel and
decel and driving over 55 MPH Wastes Resources.



Maybe VW could resurrect the Beetle as an EV. It\'s the most
manufactured car made on a single platform. Over 21 million
were made.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volkswagen_Beetle
There are still some Baby Boomers left for the nostalgia
market. A lot of people travel alone anyhow.
I\'ve thought of converting a classic car. The Beetle is not at the top of my list, but I\'ve seen a Karmann Ghia that would be so cool to have in electric. The trouble is those cars have fond memories and may even look great, but in reality are pretty crap cars. They have really improved cars a LOT over the last 50 years. Besides, if you converted a Beetle you would have to add speakers to make that Beetle exhaust whistle.

But without a Tesla charging account, it wouldn\'t be worth it. Charging anything else would be such a PITA for me.

I can get by without. If i build one, it should have both CCS and ChaDeMo. I just left the Volta HQ. They only have free CCS. Next to me was a Bolt, Tesla and another Leaf. The CCS was empty all along. Not sure why the Bolt didn\'t use it, but the Tesla and Leaf could have used ChaDeMo. On the other (east) side of the bridge and south side have free chargers with both plugs.

I think they should carry ChaDeMo for a few more years.

 

[bitrex]

On 12/1/2020 7:31 PM, John Larkin wrote:

On Tue, 1 Dec 2020 13:55:51 -0500, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

On 12/1/2020 1:22 PM, Ed Lee wrote:
On Tuesday, December 1, 2020 at 10:15:06 AM UTC-8, bitrex wrote:
On 12/1/2020 12:27 PM, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Tue, 1 Dec 2020 09:11:38 -0800 (PST), Brent Locher
blo...@columbus.rr.com> wrote:

On Tuesday, December 1, 2020 at 11:38:16 AM UTC-5, Dean Hoffman wrote:
VW hired Alexander Hitzinger to develop
a new EV.
Is this wishful thinking?

\"Having a small team of highly qualified engineers, who are empowered to
take decisions unencumbered by the corporate bureaucracy of the
Volkswagen empire, should end up producing a better vehicle more quickly.\"


This is true when you have the right team. So you need both - freedom from bureaucracy and the right team.

The right team probably requires a whole bunch of 30ish year old engineers who are still too young to have their ego\'s get in the way of accomplishing the goal. And a good group of managers who care more about the product than their careers.


From
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-volkswagen-electric-hitzinger-idUSKBN28B555

There\'s probably not much innovation needed; batteries and motors and
aerodynamics are known constraints. The critical thing will be getting
the people who know how to build cars involved, which is precisely the
existing VW empire. An EV still needs a good paint job and suspensions
that don\'t break and roofs that fit and don\'t fly off.

Volkswagen already built an electric Golf for sale in the US among other
places, it was about what you\'d expect from a Volkswagen product in the
US historically speaking, underpowered and overpriced.

You mean this e-Golf?

https://www.roadandtrack.com/new-cars/a31192023/the-volkswagen-e-golf-is-dead/


Ya, it had about a 100 mile range and was nearly 40 grand for the top trim.

\"and sprint from 0-60 mph in 8.5 seconds.\"

an 8.5 second 0-60 in a car that weighs about 2800 lbs is nothing to
brag about.

Isn\'t wimpy peformance the way to Save The Earth? All that accel and
decel and driving over 55 MPH Wastes Resources.

A sub-7 second 0 to 60 burns about 100kW for 7 seconds, or around
1/2000th of the energy in a gallon of gas. And a gas car throws about
80% of the latter away as waste heat, anyway.

 

[bitrex]

On 12/1/2020 9:29 PM, bitrex wrote:

On 12/1/2020 7:31 PM, John Larkin wrote:
On Tue, 1 Dec 2020 13:55:51 -0500, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

On 12/1/2020 1:22 PM, Ed Lee wrote:
On Tuesday, December 1, 2020 at 10:15:06 AM UTC-8, bitrex wrote:
On 12/1/2020 12:27 PM, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Tue, 1 Dec 2020 09:11:38 -0800 (PST), Brent Locher
blo...@columbus.rr.com> wrote:

On Tuesday, December 1, 2020 at 11:38:16 AM UTC-5, Dean Hoffman
wrote:
VW hired Alexander Hitzinger to develop
a new EV.
Is this wishful thinking?

\"Having a small team of highly qualified engineers, who are
empowered to
take decisions unencumbered by the corporate bureaucracy of the
Volkswagen empire, should end up producing a better vehicle more
quickly.\"


This is true when you have the right team. So you need both -
freedom from bureaucracy and the right team.

The right team probably requires a whole bunch of 30ish year old
engineers who are still too young to have their ego\'s get in the
way of accomplishing the goal. And a good group of managers who
care more about the product than their careers.


From
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-volkswagen-electric-hitzinger-idUSKBN28B555


There\'s probably not much innovation needed; batteries and motors and
aerodynamics are known constraints. The critical thing will be
getting
the people who know how to build cars involved, which is precisely
the
existing VW empire. An EV still needs a good paint job and
suspensions
that don\'t break and roofs that fit and don\'t fly off.

Volkswagen already built an electric Golf for sale in the US among
other
places, it was about what you\'d expect from a Volkswagen product in
the
US historically speaking, underpowered and overpriced.

You mean this e-Golf?

https://www.roadandtrack.com/new-cars/a31192023/the-volkswagen-e-golf-is-dead/



Ya, it had about a 100 mile range and was nearly 40 grand for the top
trim.

\"and sprint from 0-60 mph in 8.5 seconds.\"

an 8.5 second 0-60 in a car that weighs about 2800 lbs is nothing to
brag about.

Isn\'t wimpy peformance the way to Save The Earth? All that accel and
decel and driving over 55 MPH Wastes Resources.


A sub-7 second 0 to 60 burns about 100kW for 7 seconds, or around
1/2000th of the energy in a gallon of gas. And a gas car throws about
80% of the latter away as waste heat, anyway.

You could EV drag-race all night on a gallon of gas equivalent

 

[bitrex]

On 12/1/2020 9:29 PM, bitrex wrote:

On 12/1/2020 7:31 PM, John Larkin wrote:
On Tue, 1 Dec 2020 13:55:51 -0500, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

On 12/1/2020 1:22 PM, Ed Lee wrote:
On Tuesday, December 1, 2020 at 10:15:06 AM UTC-8, bitrex wrote:
On 12/1/2020 12:27 PM, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Tue, 1 Dec 2020 09:11:38 -0800 (PST), Brent Locher
blo...@columbus.rr.com> wrote:

On Tuesday, December 1, 2020 at 11:38:16 AM UTC-5, Dean Hoffman
wrote:
VW hired Alexander Hitzinger to develop
a new EV.
Is this wishful thinking?

\"Having a small team of highly qualified engineers, who are
empowered to
take decisions unencumbered by the corporate bureaucracy of the
Volkswagen empire, should end up producing a better vehicle more
quickly.\"


This is true when you have the right team. So you need both -
freedom from bureaucracy and the right team.

The right team probably requires a whole bunch of 30ish year old
engineers who are still too young to have their ego\'s get in the
way of accomplishing the goal. And a good group of managers who
care more about the product than their careers.


From
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-volkswagen-electric-hitzinger-idUSKBN28B555


There\'s probably not much innovation needed; batteries and motors and
aerodynamics are known constraints. The critical thing will be
getting
the people who know how to build cars involved, which is precisely
the
existing VW empire. An EV still needs a good paint job and
suspensions
that don\'t break and roofs that fit and don\'t fly off.

Volkswagen already built an electric Golf for sale in the US among
other
places, it was about what you\'d expect from a Volkswagen product in
the
US historically speaking, underpowered and overpriced.

You mean this e-Golf?

https://www.roadandtrack.com/new-cars/a31192023/the-volkswagen-e-golf-is-dead/



Ya, it had about a 100 mile range and was nearly 40 grand for the top
trim.

\"and sprint from 0-60 mph in 8.5 seconds.\"

an 8.5 second 0-60 in a car that weighs about 2800 lbs is nothing to
brag about.

Isn\'t wimpy peformance the way to Save The Earth? All that accel and
decel and driving over 55 MPH Wastes Resources.


A sub-7 second 0 to 60 burns about 100kW for 7 seconds, or around
1/2000th of the energy in a gallon of gas. And a gas car throws about
80% of the latter away as waste heat, anyway.

Sorry, slipped a decimal point, 1/200th