Virtuoso/LVS hierarchical net connection problems

[Manuel Koch]

Hi,
I have the following problem:

I created several layout cells, each of them has its own supply lines.
In these cells I attach symbolic pins to the supply lines,
so e.g. the DRC knows that an n-well is no longer 'hot' because it is
connected to vdd!
LVS works fine in these cells.

Later I assemble several cells on a higher level of hierarchy, the
problem now is that
the previously defined pins have no effect on this hierarchy level.
That results e.g. in DRC errors because
every n-well is now 'hot' again; when I do extract/LVS nets with same
name are not joined (even if i turn on that option during extract).

My workaround up to now:
I place new pins in every new hierarchy level right on top of the pins
that are already in the cells.
This works fine, but results in a lot of work and if e.g. I have to
change a terminal name it gets quite horrible.


Do you have any suggestions how to better handle such a scenario?
How do you do such a bottom-up design with continuous LVS checking?

kind regards,

Manuel Koch

 

[Diva Physical Verificatio]

This is the normal way hierarchical design with bottom up LVS is done.
You ARE over-doing the pins in each level if you are putting them on top
of every pin in the child cells. The child cell pins should be connected
together and pins added for the new cell's interface to the next level
of hierarchy. That should mean only one VDD and one GND pin, plus the
IOs for the new cell.

The reason the child cell pins are ignored is because they are local to
the child cell. Each instance of the child cell can potentially be
connected to a different net, so the child cell pins cannot be promoted
to the parent cell without creating unexpected connections. In your
case, that promotion might work as you intend, but in the general case,
it will not.

As a side note, you should never use the option to join nets with the
same name unless you very specifically designed your cell to have two
pins that must be connected externally.

On 7 Oct 2004 09:12:17 -0700, makoc@gmx.de (Manuel Koch) wrote:

Hi,
I have the following problem:

I created several layout cells, each of them has its own supply lines.
In these cells I attach symbolic pins to the supply lines,
so e.g. the DRC knows that an n-well is no longer 'hot' because it is
connected to vdd!
LVS works fine in these cells.

Later I assemble several cells on a higher level of hierarchy, the
problem now is that
the previously defined pins have no effect on this hierarchy level.
That results e.g. in DRC errors because
every n-well is now 'hot' again; when I do extract/LVS nets with same
name are not joined (even if i turn on that option during extract).

My workaround up to now:
I place new pins in every new hierarchy level right on top of the pins
that are already in the cells.
This works fine, but results in a lot of work and if e.g. I have to
change a terminal name it gets quite horrible.


Do you have any suggestions how to better handle such a scenario?
How do you do such a bottom-up design with continuous LVS checking?

kind regards,

Manuel Koch

 

[Manuel Koch]

Diva Physical Verification <diva@cadence.com> wrote in message news:<0pcbm01pe1i3c997rt3kj6fqoid1mkil76@4ax.com>...

This is the normal way hierarchical design with bottom up LVS is done.
...
The child cell pins should be connected together ...

OK, how exactly do I do that? Do you mean by physical (e.g. metal)
connection? In our designs this is often not possible.

 

[Manuel Koch]

Unless the child cells are stand-alone blocks that do not interact with
any other cells, they have to be able to be connected together.

And they will connect together but not already in the second level of
hierarchy.
Are you suggesting that in every new (higher) level of hierarchy all
connections should be made so that only one pin of every signal is
necessary?