uPB8228C replacement

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Gareth Magennis

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Hi,

can't seem to even find a printable datasheet for this well obsolete device.

Its an 8080A controller/bus driver, just wondering if anyone knows where I
might find a replacement - perhaps someone knows of a common old piece of
equipment that might have one I can salvage.


This is in an AMS DMX 1580, a digital delay from the last century.



Cheers,



Gareth.
 
On Wed, 22 Aug 2012 09:57:52 +0100 "Gareth Magennis"
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Hi,

can't seem to even find a printable datasheet for this well obsolete device.

Its an 8080A controller/bus driver, just wondering if anyone knows where I
might find a replacement - perhaps someone knows of a common old piece of
equipment that might have one I can salvage.


This is in an AMS DMX 1580, a digital delay from the last century.
Click to expand...
Ebay?
http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=m570.l2736&_nkw=uPB8228C

Datasheet:
http://www.datasheetarchive.com/UPB8228C-datasheet.html

Intel also made the 8228. Very likely that Intel designed it, and NEC
copied.
 
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On Wed, 22 Aug 2012 09:57:52 +0100 "Gareth Magennis"
sound.service@btconnect.com> wrote in Message id:
CJudnS2tYK2OAqnNnZ2dnUVZ7sGdnZ2d@bt.com>:

Hi,

can't seem to even find a printable datasheet for this well obsolete
device.

Its an 8080A controller/bus driver, just wondering if anyone knows where I
might find a replacement - perhaps someone knows of a common old piece of
equipment that might have one I can salvage.


This is in an AMS DMX 1580, a digital delay from the last century.

Ebay?
http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=m570.l2736&_nkw=uPB8228C

Datasheet:
http://www.datasheetarchive.com/UPB8228C-datasheet.html

Intel also made the 8228. Very likely that Intel designed it, and NEC
copied.
Click to expand...

Oops, must have made a typo when I searched Ebay yesterday.
There's one on Ebay UK too which I've just bought.


Cheers,


Gareth.
 
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On Wed, 22 Aug 2012 09:57:52 +0100 "Gareth Magennis"
sound.service@btconnect.com> wrote in Message id:
CJudnS2tYK2OAqnNnZ2dnUVZ7sGdnZ2d@bt.com>:

Hi,

can't seem to even find a printable datasheet for this well obsolete
device.

Its an 8080A controller/bus driver, just wondering if anyone knows where
I
might find a replacement - perhaps someone knows of a common old piece of
equipment that might have one I can salvage.


This is in an AMS DMX 1580, a digital delay from the last century.

Ebay?
http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=m570.l2736&_nkw=uPB8228C

Datasheet:
http://www.datasheetarchive.com/UPB8228C-datasheet.html

Intel also made the 8228. Very likely that Intel designed it, and NEC
copied.


Oops, must have made a typo when I searched Ebay yesterday.
There's one on Ebay UK too which I've just bought.


Cheers,


Gareth.
Click to expand...

Damn, replacement didn't work.

Reason for suspecting this device was that the systems _WR line was held at
around 1 volt, other Address/Data lines look normal.
Isolating this device from that line produced a solid zero, so worth a punt,
I thought.

On boot up there doesn't appear to be any activity on the _WR line at all.

Sigh. Could be anything.



Gareth.
 
On Sat, 25 Aug 2012 19:30:12 +0100 "Gareth Magennis"
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On Wed, 22 Aug 2012 09:57:52 +0100 "Gareth Magennis"
sound.service@btconnect.com> wrote in Message id:
CJudnS2tYK2OAqnNnZ2dnUVZ7sGdnZ2d@bt.com>:

Hi,

can't seem to even find a printable datasheet for this well obsolete
device.

Its an 8080A controller/bus driver, just wondering if anyone knows where
I
might find a replacement - perhaps someone knows of a common old piece of
equipment that might have one I can salvage.


This is in an AMS DMX 1580, a digital delay from the last century.

Ebay?
http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=m570.l2736&_nkw=uPB8228C

Datasheet:
http://www.datasheetarchive.com/UPB8228C-datasheet.html

Intel also made the 8228. Very likely that Intel designed it, and NEC
copied.


Oops, must have made a typo when I searched Ebay yesterday.
There's one on Ebay UK too which I've just bought.


Cheers,


Gareth.




Damn, replacement didn't work.

Reason for suspecting this device was that the systems _WR line was held at
around 1 volt, other Address/Data lines look normal.
Isolating this device from that line produced a solid zero, so worth a punt,
I thought.

On boot up there doesn't appear to be any activity on the _WR line at all.

Sigh. Could be anything.
Click to expand...
Do you have a schematic? The _WR line comes from the CPU, but perhaps it
goes somewhere else. Could the CPU itself be bad?
 
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On Wed, 22 Aug 2012 09:57:52 +0100 "Gareth Magennis"
sound.service@btconnect.com> wrote in Message id:
CJudnS2tYK2OAqnNnZ2dnUVZ7sGdnZ2d@bt.com>:

Hi,

can't seem to even find a printable datasheet for this well obsolete
device.

Its an 8080A controller/bus driver, just wondering if anyone knows
where
I
might find a replacement - perhaps someone knows of a common old piece
of
equipment that might have one I can salvage.


This is in an AMS DMX 1580, a digital delay from the last century.

Ebay?
http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=m570.l2736&_nkw=uPB8228C

Datasheet:
http://www.datasheetarchive.com/UPB8228C-datasheet.html

Intel also made the 8228. Very likely that Intel designed it, and NEC
copied.


Oops, must have made a typo when I searched Ebay yesterday.
There's one on Ebay UK too which I've just bought.


Cheers,


Gareth.




Damn, replacement didn't work.

Reason for suspecting this device was that the systems _WR line was held
at
around 1 volt, other Address/Data lines look normal.
Isolating this device from that line produced a solid zero, so worth a
punt,
I thought.

On boot up there doesn't appear to be any activity on the _WR line at all.

Sigh. Could be anything.

Do you have a schematic? The _WR line comes from the CPU, but perhaps it
goes somewhere else. Could the CPU itself be bad?
Click to expand...

No I don't have a schematic, but it is a small PCB. The _WR line also goes
to 2 DRAM chips, but nowhere else as far as I can tell.

Yes, the CPU could be faulty, the RAM could be faulty, the EPROM could be
faulty, and a few other things too.
This is a very old board.
(Apart from the EPROM, and now the chip I replaced, none of these chips are
socketed)

I will go back tomorrow and see if I can see anything else on the scope that
might look a little suspect, and what, if anything, is actually happening -
I didn't get much further than noticing the _WR was definitely screwy.

Cheers,



Gareth.
 
On Mon, 27 Aug 2012 11:32:16 +0100 "Gareth Magennis"
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On Wed, 22 Aug 2012 09:57:52 +0100 "Gareth Magennis"
sound.service@btconnect.com> wrote in Message id:
CJudnS2tYK2OAqnNnZ2dnUVZ7sGdnZ2d@bt.com>:

Hi,

can't seem to even find a printable datasheet for this well obsolete
device.

Its an 8080A controller/bus driver, just wondering if anyone knows
where
I
might find a replacement - perhaps someone knows of a common old piece
of
equipment that might have one I can salvage.


This is in an AMS DMX 1580, a digital delay from the last century.

Ebay?
http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=m570.l2736&_nkw=uPB8228C

Datasheet:
http://www.datasheetarchive.com/UPB8228C-datasheet.html

Intel also made the 8228. Very likely that Intel designed it, and NEC
copied.


Oops, must have made a typo when I searched Ebay yesterday.
There's one on Ebay UK too which I've just bought.


Cheers,


Gareth.




Damn, replacement didn't work.

Reason for suspecting this device was that the systems _WR line was held
at
around 1 volt, other Address/Data lines look normal.
Isolating this device from that line produced a solid zero, so worth a
punt,
I thought.
Click to expand...
Just a thought... If you can isolate it again, try putting a 2.2K resistor
pullup on the signal to see if the CPU can drive that lower than .8V

No I don't have a schematic, but it is a small PCB. The _WR line also goes
to 2 DRAM chips, but nowhere else as far as I can tell.
Click to expand...
Normally I'd suspect the DRAM chips as well, but not so much if isolating
the _WR signal to the 8228 seemed to correct the voltage level.

Also, the 8080A had three power supplies (+12V, +5V and -5V), but you
probably already checked/knew that.

[snip]
 
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On Wed, 22 Aug 2012 09:57:52 +0100 "Gareth Magennis"
sound.service@btconnect.com> wrote in Message id:
CJudnS2tYK2OAqnNnZ2dnUVZ7sGdnZ2d@bt.com>:

Hi,

can't seem to even find a printable datasheet for this well obsolete
device.

Its an 8080A controller/bus driver, just wondering if anyone knows
where
I
might find a replacement - perhaps someone knows of a common old
piece
of
equipment that might have one I can salvage.


This is in an AMS DMX 1580, a digital delay from the last century.

Ebay?
http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=m570.l2736&_nkw=uPB8228C

Datasheet:
http://www.datasheetarchive.com/UPB8228C-datasheet.html

Intel also made the 8228. Very likely that Intel designed it, and NEC
copied.


Oops, must have made a typo when I searched Ebay yesterday.
There's one on Ebay UK too which I've just bought.


Cheers,


Gareth.




Damn, replacement didn't work.

Reason for suspecting this device was that the systems _WR line was held
at
around 1 volt, other Address/Data lines look normal.
Isolating this device from that line produced a solid zero, so worth a
punt,
I thought.

Just a thought... If you can isolate it again, try putting a 2.2K resistor
pullup on the signal to see if the CPU can drive that lower than .8V

No I don't have a schematic, but it is a small PCB. The _WR line also
goes
to 2 DRAM chips, but nowhere else as far as I can tell.

Normally I'd suspect the DRAM chips as well, but not so much if isolating
the _WR signal to the 8228 seemed to correct the voltage level.

Also, the 8080A had three power supplies (+12V, +5V and -5V), but you
probably already checked/knew that.

[snip]
Click to expand...
 
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On Wed, 22 Aug 2012 09:57:52 +0100 "Gareth Magennis"
sound.service@btconnect.com> wrote in Message id:
CJudnS2tYK2OAqnNnZ2dnUVZ7sGdnZ2d@bt.com>:

Hi,

can't seem to even find a printable datasheet for this well obsolete
device.

Its an 8080A controller/bus driver, just wondering if anyone knows
where
I
might find a replacement - perhaps someone knows of a common old
piece
of
equipment that might have one I can salvage.


This is in an AMS DMX 1580, a digital delay from the last century.

Ebay?
http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=m570.l2736&_nkw=uPB8228C

Datasheet:
http://www.datasheetarchive.com/UPB8228C-datasheet.html

Intel also made the 8228. Very likely that Intel designed it, and NEC
copied.


Oops, must have made a typo when I searched Ebay yesterday.
There's one on Ebay UK too which I've just bought.


Cheers,


Gareth.




Damn, replacement didn't work.

Reason for suspecting this device was that the systems _WR line was held
at
around 1 volt, other Address/Data lines look normal.
Isolating this device from that line produced a solid zero, so worth a
punt,
I thought.

Just a thought... If you can isolate it again, try putting a 2.2K resistor
pullup on the signal to see if the CPU can drive that lower than .8V

No I don't have a schematic, but it is a small PCB. The _WR line also
goes
to 2 DRAM chips, but nowhere else as far as I can tell.

Normally I'd suspect the DRAM chips as well, but not so much if isolating
the _WR signal to the 8228 seemed to correct the voltage level.

Also, the 8080A had three power supplies (+12V, +5V and -5V), but you
probably already checked/knew that.

[snip]
Click to expand...

Oops, sory about that double post, finger slipped.

Its a public holiday in the UK today but just popped into my workshop cos
I'm curious, and this actually belongs to a friend of mine.

I did try a pullup resistor on the _WR line which gave a good zero, as did
simply removing the 8228. Only when the 8228 was connected did the line
hang at around 2v. A bit weird, but that's what lead me to replace it.

But I think I may be closer now. I'd checked the 3 power supplies, but
scoping all the 8080A lines just now reveals one other dodgy looking one,
D6. The pulse train is only 3v pk to pk instead of 5v.
This line connects only to D6 on the 8228, and on removing the 8228 it
remains at 3v.
So it looks to be the 8080A processor then, with a faulty D6 (and possibly
_WR).



Thanks,


Gareth.
 
No I don't have a schematic, but it is a small PCB. The _WR line also
goes to 2 DRAM chips, but nowhere else as far as I can tell.

Yes, the CPU could be faulty, the RAM could be faulty, the EPROM could be
faulty, and a few other things too.
This is a very old board.
(Apart from the EPROM, and now the chip I replaced, none of these chips
are socketed)

I will go back tomorrow and see if I can see anything else on the scope
that might look a little suspect, and what, if anything, is actually
happening - I didn't get much further than noticing the _WR was definitely
screwy.

Cheers,



Gareth.
Click to expand...
Not supposed to be a pull-up on that /WR line maybe ? Little sm resistor
gone open ? Worth hanging a 1k up to rail in case some internal pull-up on
one of the chips has gone open ?

Arfa
 
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No I don't have a schematic, but it is a small PCB. The _WR line also
goes to 2 DRAM chips, but nowhere else as far as I can tell.

Yes, the CPU could be faulty, the RAM could be faulty, the EPROM could
be faulty, and a few other things too.
This is a very old board.
(Apart from the EPROM, and now the chip I replaced, none of these chips
are socketed)

I will go back tomorrow and see if I can see anything else on the scope
that might look a little suspect, and what, if anything, is actually
happening - I didn't get much further than noticing the _WR was
definitely screwy.

Cheers,
Click to expand...

Not supposed to be a pull-up on that /WR line maybe ? Little sm resistor
gone open ? Worth hanging a 1k up to rail in case some internal pull-up on
one of the chips has gone open ?

Arfa
Click to expand...

I tried a pullup on _WR when first investigating. Although it produced a
nice zero, there was no activity.

I have since found another duff line, which was only producing 3v - I
quickly tried a pullup on that with the pin off the board and in the air,
and it suddenly shot up from its 3v and stayed at full value swings, but
with an obviously faulty waveform (large RC curves).

So yes, I suspect it it the output tri-state interfaces/pullups that are
failing on this device.

There are no sm devices on board, this is from the 1970s/1980s!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4lhE1upzemU



Cheers,

Gareth.
 
"Gareth Magennis" <sound.service@btconnect.com> wrote in message
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No I don't have a schematic, but it is a small PCB. The _WR line also
goes to 2 DRAM chips, but nowhere else as far as I can tell.

Yes, the CPU could be faulty, the RAM could be faulty, the EPROM could
be faulty, and a few other things too.
This is a very old board.
(Apart from the EPROM, and now the chip I replaced, none of these chips
are socketed)

I will go back tomorrow and see if I can see anything else on the scope
that might look a little suspect, and what, if anything, is actually
happening - I didn't get much further than noticing the _WR was
definitely screwy.

Cheers,


Not supposed to be a pull-up on that /WR line maybe ? Little sm resistor
gone open ? Worth hanging a 1k up to rail in case some internal pull-up
on one of the chips has gone open ?

Arfa



I tried a pullup on _WR when first investigating. Although it produced a
nice zero, there was no activity.

I have since found another duff line, which was only producing 3v - I
quickly tried a pullup on that with the pin off the board and in the air,
and it suddenly shot up from its 3v and stayed at full value swings, but
with an obviously faulty waveform (large RC curves).

So yes, I suspect it it the output tri-state interfaces/pullups that are
failing on this device.

There are no sm devices on board, this is from the 1970s/1980s!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4lhE1upzemU



Cheers,

Gareth.
Click to expand...

Well, managed to get an NEC 8080AFC off the Interweb, socketed it onto the
board, and the AMS is now working again.

Hurrah!


Thanks JW and Arfa,

Gareth.
 
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