Unprecedented US mortality far exceeds other wealthy countries...

[Joerg]

On 7/19/23 11:53 PM, Jan Panteltje wrote:

On a sunny day (Wed, 19 Jul 2023 14:16:16 -0700) it happened Joerg
news@analogconsultants.com> wrote in <khr252F3kvvU1@mid.individual.net>:

On 7/18/23 9:43 PM, Jan Panteltje wrote:
The missing Americans:
Unprecedented US mortality far exceeds other wealthy nations
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2023/07/230717143216.htm

Summary:
A new study found that more than one million US deaths per year -- including many young and working-age adults --
could be avoided if the US had mortality rates similar to its peer nations.
In 2021, 1.1 million deaths would have been averted in the United States if the US had mortality rates similar
to other wealthy nations, according to a new study.


Much of the reasons can be summed up in very few words: Fast food, not
much sports, plenty of audio-visual entertainment, too much drug use. A
sedentary lifestyle.

There is almost a two-tier society here when it comes to health.

On one side those that are more of less couch potatoes, generally rather
overweight. These folks develop ailments such as high cholesterol
levels, diabetes, almost mortal obesity, cardiac events and such quite
early in life. Usually before retirement.

Could be genetics, inherited from parents etc...

Very unlikely. I\'ve lived on both continents for decades and the
differences are massive. It\'s habits, plain and simple.

The other tier are those who could be considered fitness buffs. I
regularly meet them at the gym, on my road bike, on mountain bike trails
or walking their dogs in the morning at a pretty fast clip. Rain or
shine, and that\'s one of the differences, the motivation. Those are the
people you see hammering up a rocky and steep singletrack at age 80,
having a blast.

Well I did some sport in my kid days, my father wanted me to join a club
that did long marches on a regular basis, so walking, you got a medal
if you made it.. I had a box full, never cared much about it
but was more fascinated about all the places we went.
We had sports at school, hokey, some soccer, swimming was required,
I liked to play billiards and some snooker..
biking I did a lot as a kid,..

I see a lot of older people here walking with a stick, slowly,
I am lucky, still running around like when I was 20..
Biking a lot..

Got to keep active. You can always get some sort of disease but one
should not trigger it with a sedentary lifestyle.

[...]

--
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/

 

[John Larkin]

On Thu, 20 Jul 2023 12:31:13 -0700, Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com>
wrote:

On 7/19/23 11:53 PM, Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (Wed, 19 Jul 2023 14:16:16 -0700) it happened Joerg
news@analogconsultants.com> wrote in <khr252F3kvvU1@mid.individual.net>:

On 7/18/23 9:43 PM, Jan Panteltje wrote:
The missing Americans:
Unprecedented US mortality far exceeds other wealthy nations
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2023/07/230717143216.htm

Summary:
A new study found that more than one million US deaths per year -- including many young and working-age adults --
could be avoided if the US had mortality rates similar to its peer nations.
In 2021, 1.1 million deaths would have been averted in the United States if the US had mortality rates similar
to other wealthy nations, according to a new study.


Much of the reasons can be summed up in very few words: Fast food, not
much sports, plenty of audio-visual entertainment, too much drug use. A
sedentary lifestyle.

There is almost a two-tier society here when it comes to health.

On one side those that are more of less couch potatoes, generally rather
overweight. These folks develop ailments such as high cholesterol
levels, diabetes, almost mortal obesity, cardiac events and such quite
early in life. Usually before retirement.

Could be genetics, inherited from parents etc...


Very unlikely. I\'ve lived on both continents for decades and the
differences are massive. It\'s habits, plain and simple.


The other tier are those who could be considered fitness buffs. I
regularly meet them at the gym, on my road bike, on mountain bike trails
or walking their dogs in the morning at a pretty fast clip. Rain or
shine, and that\'s one of the differences, the motivation. Those are the
people you see hammering up a rocky and steep singletrack at age 80,
having a blast.

Well I did some sport in my kid days, my father wanted me to join a club
that did long marches on a regular basis, so walking, you got a medal
if you made it.. I had a box full, never cared much about it
but was more fascinated about all the places we went.
We had sports at school, hokey, some soccer, swimming was required,
I liked to play billiards and some snooker..
biking I did a lot as a kid,..

I see a lot of older people here walking with a stick, slowly,
I am lucky, still running around like when I was 20..
Biking a lot..


Got to keep active. You can always get some sort of disease but one
should not trigger it with a sedentary lifestyle.

[...]

I think I\'ll hike down the hill and try to score some pizza dough.

 

[Joerg]

On 7/20/23 7:51 AM, Anthony William Sloman wrote:

On Friday, July 21, 2023 at 12:15:58 AM UTC+10, John Larkin wrote:
On Wed, 19 Jul 2023 14:16:16 -0700, Joerg <ne...@analogconsultants.com
wrote:
On 7/18/23 9:43 PM, Jan Panteltje wrote:
The missing Americans:
Unprecedented US mortality far exceeds other wealthy nations
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2023/07/230717143216.htm

Summary:
A new study found that more than one million US deaths per year -- including many young and working-age adults --
could be avoided if the US had mortality rates similar to its peer nations.
In 2021, 1.1 million deaths would have been averted in the United States if the US had mortality rates similar
to other wealthy nations, according to a new study.


Much of the reasons can be summed up in very few words: Fast food, not
much sports, plenty of audio-visual entertainment, too much drug use. A
sedentary lifestyle.

There is almost a two-tier society here when it comes to health.

We have an enormous geographic and ethnic diversity, including
millions of legal and illegal immigrants. The US is the crossroads of
the world and inherits the problems of the world. Ocean to ocean,
arctic circle to Mexico.

Don\'t be silly. Europe also has a lot of ethnic diversity - and for exactly the same reason. The are lots of poorer countries around it\'s border and work within is better paid than work outside it.

Paris has had some difficulty lately. Actually, the USA does pretty well absorbing immigrants. We don\'t have giant single-language enclaves or police keepout zones.

Most of the US is still English only which makes it a huge ethnic enclave.

Absolutely not. For example, the displays in our hardware stores are
English and Spanish. Not that I think this is right but that\'s how it is.

When I got lost in Oakland about 20 years ago due to a bad map I asked
at a car repair shop. No English. Looked aropnd the plaza, same thing
everywhere, all the signs in Vietnamese. The owner of the shop motioned
to a bus stop and said \"yielohw ... weet\". Aha! So I waited for the big
yellow school bus, lots of kids including his son popped out and he
translated.

Our election ballot material is sent out in other languages. Now, to be
eligible to vote you must be a citizen and to become citizen one must
pass the language test. Weird.

When moving to another country I expect the new arrivals to learn that
country\'s official language if they plan to stay. Just as I did in the
Netherlands even though I only lived there a few years. I felt it was
the right thing to do. It takes effort but man has got to do what man
has got to do (Johne Wayne).

[...]

--
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/

 

[Fred Bloggs]

On Thursday, July 20, 2023 at 3:41:45 PM UTC-4, Joerg wrote:

On 7/20/23 7:51 AM, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
On Friday, July 21, 2023 at 12:15:58 AM UTC+10, John Larkin wrote:
On Wed, 19 Jul 2023 14:16:16 -0700, Joerg <ne...@analogconsultants.com
wrote:
On 7/18/23 9:43 PM, Jan Panteltje wrote:
The missing Americans:
Unprecedented US mortality far exceeds other wealthy nations
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2023/07/230717143216.htm

Summary:
A new study found that more than one million US deaths per year -- including many young and working-age adults --
could be avoided if the US had mortality rates similar to its peer nations.
In 2021, 1.1 million deaths would have been averted in the United States if the US had mortality rates similar
to other wealthy nations, according to a new study.


Much of the reasons can be summed up in very few words: Fast food, not
much sports, plenty of audio-visual entertainment, too much drug use. A
sedentary lifestyle.

There is almost a two-tier society here when it comes to health.

We have an enormous geographic and ethnic diversity, including
millions of legal and illegal immigrants. The US is the crossroads of
the world and inherits the problems of the world. Ocean to ocean,
arctic circle to Mexico.

Don\'t be silly. Europe also has a lot of ethnic diversity - and for exactly the same reason. The are lots of poorer countries around it\'s border and work within is better paid than work outside it.

Paris has had some difficulty lately. Actually, the USA does pretty well absorbing immigrants. We don\'t have giant single-language enclaves or police keepout zones.

Most of the US is still English only which makes it a huge ethnic enclave.

Absolutely not. For example, the displays in our hardware stores are
English and Spanish. Not that I think this is right but that\'s how it is.

It\'s that way because a substantial fraction of the customers are Spanish speaking. If they want to sell product, they have to make all the communications Spanish. Same goes for all the tools, appliances, and other hardware. It\'s basic business marketing, not multiculturalism.

A lot of the immigrant laborers don\'t like speaking English any more than you like Spanish. Contrary to popular belief, they don\'t like living in the U.S. and plan to return their home country once they\'ve made enough money. This is nothing new, the same thing was happening with immigrants to this country in late 19th early 20th century. They got fed up with being exploited as cheap labor, living in squalid housing in filthy, noisy unhealthy cities. Most of them returned to their home country within about five years. All the traditional self-promoting, historical propaganda about immigrants is total bullshit.

When I got lost in Oakland about 20 years ago due to a bad map I asked
at a car repair shop. No English. Looked aropnd the plaza, same thing
everywhere, all the signs in Vietnamese. The owner of the shop motioned
to a bus stop and said \"yielohw ... weet\". Aha! So I waited for the big
yellow school bus, lots of kids including his son popped out and he
translated.

Our election ballot material is sent out in other languages. Now, to be
eligible to vote you must be a citizen and to become citizen one must
pass the language test. Weird.

When moving to another country I expect the new arrivals to learn that
country\'s official language if they plan to stay. Just as I did in the
Netherlands even though I only lived there a few years. I felt it was
the right thing to do. It takes effort but man has got to do what man
has got to do (Johne Wayne).

[...]
--
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/

 

[Fred Bloggs]

On Thursday, July 20, 2023 at 3:38:32 PM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:

On Thu, 20 Jul 2023 12:31:13 -0700, Joerg <ne...@analogconsultants.com
wrote:
On 7/19/23 11:53 PM, Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (Wed, 19 Jul 2023 14:16:16 -0700) it happened Joerg
ne...@analogconsultants.com> wrote in <khr252...@mid.individual.net>:

On 7/18/23 9:43 PM, Jan Panteltje wrote:
The missing Americans:
Unprecedented US mortality far exceeds other wealthy nations
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2023/07/230717143216.htm

Summary:
A new study found that more than one million US deaths per year -- including many young and working-age adults --
could be avoided if the US had mortality rates similar to its peer nations.
In 2021, 1.1 million deaths would have been averted in the United States if the US had mortality rates similar
to other wealthy nations, according to a new study.


Much of the reasons can be summed up in very few words: Fast food, not
much sports, plenty of audio-visual entertainment, too much drug use. A
sedentary lifestyle.

There is almost a two-tier society here when it comes to health.

On one side those that are more of less couch potatoes, generally rather
overweight. These folks develop ailments such as high cholesterol
levels, diabetes, almost mortal obesity, cardiac events and such quite
early in life. Usually before retirement.

Could be genetics, inherited from parents etc...


Very unlikely. I\'ve lived on both continents for decades and the
differences are massive. It\'s habits, plain and simple.


The other tier are those who could be considered fitness buffs. I
regularly meet them at the gym, on my road bike, on mountain bike trails
or walking their dogs in the morning at a pretty fast clip. Rain or
shine, and that\'s one of the differences, the motivation. Those are the
people you see hammering up a rocky and steep singletrack at age 80,
having a blast.

Well I did some sport in my kid days, my father wanted me to join a club
that did long marches on a regular basis, so walking, you got a medal
if you made it.. I had a box full, never cared much about it
but was more fascinated about all the places we went.
We had sports at school, hokey, some soccer, swimming was required,
I liked to play billiards and some snooker..
biking I did a lot as a kid,..

I see a lot of older people here walking with a stick, slowly,
I am lucky, still running around like when I was 20..
Biking a lot..


Got to keep active. You can always get some sort of disease but one
should not trigger it with a sedentary lifestyle.

[...]
I think I\'ll hike down the hill and try to score some pizza dough.

https://www.heart.org/en/healthy-living/fitness/fitness-basics/aha-recs-for-physical-activity-in-adults

 

[Jan Panteltje]

On a sunny day (Thu, 20 Jul 2023 12:38:16 -0700) it happened John Larkin
<jlarkin@highlandSNIPMEtechnology.com> wrote in
<s73jbidgt975ahkbmorm8asm3t95n3oo01@4ax.com>:

On Thu, 20 Jul 2023 12:31:13 -0700, Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com
wrote:

On 7/19/23 11:53 PM, Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (Wed, 19 Jul 2023 14:16:16 -0700) it happened Joerg
news@analogconsultants.com> wrote in <khr252F3kvvU1@mid.individual.net>:

On 7/18/23 9:43 PM, Jan Panteltje wrote:
The missing Americans:
Unprecedented US mortality far exceeds other wealthy nations
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2023/07/230717143216.htm

Summary:
A new study found that more than one million US deaths per year -- including many young and working-age adults --
could be avoided if the US had mortality rates similar to its peer nations.
In 2021, 1.1 million deaths would have been averted in the United States if the US had mortality rates similar
to other wealthy nations, according to a new study.


Much of the reasons can be summed up in very few words: Fast food, not
much sports, plenty of audio-visual entertainment, too much drug use. A
sedentary lifestyle.

There is almost a two-tier society here when it comes to health.

On one side those that are more of less couch potatoes, generally rather
overweight. These folks develop ailments such as high cholesterol
levels, diabetes, almost mortal obesity, cardiac events and such quite
early in life. Usually before retirement.

Could be genetics, inherited from parents etc...


Very unlikely. I\'ve lived on both continents for decades and the
differences are massive. It\'s habits, plain and simple.


The other tier are those who could be considered fitness buffs. I
regularly meet them at the gym, on my road bike, on mountain bike trails
or walking their dogs in the morning at a pretty fast clip. Rain or
shine, and that\'s one of the differences, the motivation. Those are the
people you see hammering up a rocky and steep singletrack at age 80,
having a blast.

Well I did some sport in my kid days, my father wanted me to join a club
that did long marches on a regular basis, so walking, you got a medal
if you made it.. I had a box full, never cared much about it
but was more fascinated about all the places we went.
We had sports at school, hokey, some soccer, swimming was required,
I liked to play billiards and some snooker..
biking I did a lot as a kid,..

I see a lot of older people here walking with a stick, slowly,
I am lucky, still running around like when I was 20..
Biking a lot..


Got to keep active. You can always get some sort of disease but one
should not trigger it with a sedentary lifestyle.

[...]

I think I\'ll hike down the hill and try to score some pizza dough.

I had some pizza last night, bought in the supermarket,
kept in the deep freeze, added my own toppings... mmmm

I do like to cook things.
Maybe it helps that I am a vegetarian (since the mid seventies).
And I do not drink alcohol either.
So for today spaghetti and a banana and tofu and olives, olive oil, mushrooms, is planned
Yogurt, apple juice, kiwis, whole wheat cookies, ice cream, and some H2O.
Kiwis or grapes every other day!

 

[Anthony William Sloman]

On Friday, July 21, 2023 at 5:41:45 AM UTC+10, Joerg wrote:

On 7/20/23 7:51 AM, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
On Friday, July 21, 2023 at 12:15:58 AM UTC+10, John Larkin wrote:
On Wed, 19 Jul 2023 14:16:16 -0700, Joerg <ne...@analogconsultants.com
wrote:
On 7/18/23 9:43 PM, Jan Panteltje wrote:

<snip>

Most of the US is still English only which makes it a huge ethnic enclave.

Absolutely not. For example, the displays in our hardware stores are English and Spanish. Not that I think this is right but that\'s how it is.

You live in part of the US, not most of it.

When I got lost in Oakland about 20 years ago due to a bad map I asked at a car repair shop. No English. Looked around the plaza, same thing everywhere, all the signs in Vietnamese. The owner of the shop motioned to a bus stop and said \"yielohw ... weet\". Aha! So I waited for the big yellow school bus, lots of kids including his son popped out and he translated.

Our election ballot material is sent out in other languages. Now, to be eligible to vote you must be a citizen and to become citizen one must pass the language test. Weird.

Not exactly. You read better in the language you grew up with. My Dutch is fine, but if given a choice between instruction in Dutch or in English. I\'ll read the English version.

> When moving to another country I expect the new arrivals to learn that country\'s official language if they plan to stay. Just as I did in the Netherlands even though I only lived there a few years. I felt it was the right thing to do. It takes effort but man has got to do what man has got to do (Johne Wayne).

German and Dutch are very close.It should have taken you about six months. It took me closer to two years (which is typical for English speakers).

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[John Larkin]

On Thu, 20 Jul 2023 15:54:58 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
<bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com> wrote:

On Thursday, July 20, 2023 at 3:38:32?PM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
On Thu, 20 Jul 2023 12:31:13 -0700, Joerg <ne...@analogconsultants.com
wrote:
On 7/19/23 11:53 PM, Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (Wed, 19 Jul 2023 14:16:16 -0700) it happened Joerg
ne...@analogconsultants.com> wrote in <khr252...@mid.individual.net>:

On 7/18/23 9:43 PM, Jan Panteltje wrote:
The missing Americans:
Unprecedented US mortality far exceeds other wealthy nations
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2023/07/230717143216.htm

Summary:
A new study found that more than one million US deaths per year -- including many young and working-age adults --
could be avoided if the US had mortality rates similar to its peer nations.
In 2021, 1.1 million deaths would have been averted in the United States if the US had mortality rates similar
to other wealthy nations, according to a new study.


Much of the reasons can be summed up in very few words: Fast food, not
much sports, plenty of audio-visual entertainment, too much drug use. A
sedentary lifestyle.

There is almost a two-tier society here when it comes to health.

On one side those that are more of less couch potatoes, generally rather
overweight. These folks develop ailments such as high cholesterol
levels, diabetes, almost mortal obesity, cardiac events and such quite
early in life. Usually before retirement.

Could be genetics, inherited from parents etc...


Very unlikely. I\'ve lived on both continents for decades and the
differences are massive. It\'s habits, plain and simple.


The other tier are those who could be considered fitness buffs. I
regularly meet them at the gym, on my road bike, on mountain bike trails
or walking their dogs in the morning at a pretty fast clip. Rain or
shine, and that\'s one of the differences, the motivation. Those are the
people you see hammering up a rocky and steep singletrack at age 80,
having a blast.

Well I did some sport in my kid days, my father wanted me to join a club
that did long marches on a regular basis, so walking, you got a medal
if you made it.. I had a box full, never cared much about it
but was more fascinated about all the places we went.
We had sports at school, hokey, some soccer, swimming was required,
I liked to play billiards and some snooker..
biking I did a lot as a kid,..

I see a lot of older people here walking with a stick, slowly,
I am lucky, still running around like when I was 20..
Biking a lot..


Got to keep active. You can always get some sort of disease but one
should not trigger it with a sedentary lifestyle.

[...]
I think I\'ll hike down the hill and try to score some pizza dough.

https://www.heart.org/en/healthy-living/fitness/fitness-basics/aha-recs-for-physical-activity-in-adults

0.94 miles round trip, 246 feet delta elevation, lugging pizza dough
and parmnesan back up the hill. The dough is great but gets sold out
by 2PM or so.

Hiking to shop, lots of small loads a few times per week, instead of
driving, is great. I guess that\'s not a good idea in parts of the
country where it\'s brutally hot and stores are 20 miles away.

The French village concept is healthy, a lot of small shops and a lot
of small shopping trips on foot every day. Fresh bread and such.

 

[John Larkin]

On Fri, 21 Jul 2023 05:21:58 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid>
wrote:

On a sunny day (Thu, 20 Jul 2023 12:38:16 -0700) it happened John Larkin
jlarkin@highlandSNIPMEtechnology.com> wrote in
s73jbidgt975ahkbmorm8asm3t95n3oo01@4ax.com>:

On Thu, 20 Jul 2023 12:31:13 -0700, Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com
wrote:

On 7/19/23 11:53 PM, Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (Wed, 19 Jul 2023 14:16:16 -0700) it happened Joerg
news@analogconsultants.com> wrote in <khr252F3kvvU1@mid.individual.net>:

On 7/18/23 9:43 PM, Jan Panteltje wrote:
The missing Americans:
Unprecedented US mortality far exceeds other wealthy nations
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2023/07/230717143216.htm

Summary:
A new study found that more than one million US deaths per year -- including many young and working-age adults --
could be avoided if the US had mortality rates similar to its peer nations.
In 2021, 1.1 million deaths would have been averted in the United States if the US had mortality rates similar
to other wealthy nations, according to a new study.


Much of the reasons can be summed up in very few words: Fast food, not
much sports, plenty of audio-visual entertainment, too much drug use. A
sedentary lifestyle.

There is almost a two-tier society here when it comes to health.

On one side those that are more of less couch potatoes, generally rather
overweight. These folks develop ailments such as high cholesterol
levels, diabetes, almost mortal obesity, cardiac events and such quite
early in life. Usually before retirement.

Could be genetics, inherited from parents etc...


Very unlikely. I\'ve lived on both continents for decades and the
differences are massive. It\'s habits, plain and simple.


The other tier are those who could be considered fitness buffs. I
regularly meet them at the gym, on my road bike, on mountain bike trails
or walking their dogs in the morning at a pretty fast clip. Rain or
shine, and that\'s one of the differences, the motivation. Those are the
people you see hammering up a rocky and steep singletrack at age 80,
having a blast.

Well I did some sport in my kid days, my father wanted me to join a club
that did long marches on a regular basis, so walking, you got a medal
if you made it.. I had a box full, never cared much about it
but was more fascinated about all the places we went.
We had sports at school, hokey, some soccer, swimming was required,
I liked to play billiards and some snooker..
biking I did a lot as a kid,..

I see a lot of older people here walking with a stick, slowly,
I am lucky, still running around like when I was 20..
Biking a lot..


Got to keep active. You can always get some sort of disease but one
should not trigger it with a sedentary lifestyle.

[...]

I think I\'ll hike down the hill and try to score some pizza dough.

I had some pizza last night, bought in the supermarket,
kept in the deep freeze, added my own toppings... mmmm

I do like to cook things.
Maybe it helps that I am a vegetarian (since the mid seventies).
And I do not drink alcohol either.
So for today spaghetti and a banana and tofu and olives, olive oil, mushrooms, is planned
Yogurt, apple juice, kiwis, whole wheat cookies, ice cream, and some H2O.
Kiwis or grapes every other day!

The little market down the hill sells fresh sourdough pizza dough
every day, until they run out. It\'s in a thin plastic bag and feels
gross. It makes a fabulous pizza, or you can make fried bread which is
great. But a little sweet Italian sausage on the pizza wouldn\'t kill
you.

We just scored two bags of cranberry beans, also called borlottis. We
plan a cook-off on Saturday, one vegetarian and one my way.

Try this, if you can get it.

https://www.amazon.com/SFOGLINI-Cascatelli-Pasta-16-OZ/dp/B09YB51CFT/ref=sr_1_4_pp?crid=2CZPB1E4GEDN&keywords=cascatelli+pasta&qid=1689939206&sprefix=cascatelli%2Caps%2C165&sr=8-4

It\'s a weird, wonderful take on pasta. Boil in very salty water for 21
minutes at sea level.

 

[John Larkin]

On Thu, 20 Jul 2023 12:41:35 -0700, Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com>
wrote:

On 7/20/23 7:51 AM, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
On Friday, July 21, 2023 at 12:15:58?AM UTC+10, John Larkin wrote:
On Wed, 19 Jul 2023 14:16:16 -0700, Joerg <ne...@analogconsultants.com
wrote:
On 7/18/23 9:43 PM, Jan Panteltje wrote:
The missing Americans:
Unprecedented US mortality far exceeds other wealthy nations
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2023/07/230717143216.htm

Summary:
A new study found that more than one million US deaths per year -- including many young and working-age adults --
could be avoided if the US had mortality rates similar to its peer nations.
In 2021, 1.1 million deaths would have been averted in the United States if the US had mortality rates similar
to other wealthy nations, according to a new study.


Much of the reasons can be summed up in very few words: Fast food, not
much sports, plenty of audio-visual entertainment, too much drug use. A
sedentary lifestyle.

There is almost a two-tier society here when it comes to health.

We have an enormous geographic and ethnic diversity, including
millions of legal and illegal immigrants. The US is the crossroads of
the world and inherits the problems of the world. Ocean to ocean,
arctic circle to Mexico.

Don\'t be silly. Europe also has a lot of ethnic diversity - and for exactly the same reason. The are lots of poorer countries around it\'s border and work within is better paid than work outside it.

Paris has had some difficulty lately. Actually, the USA does pretty well absorbing immigrants. We don\'t have giant single-language enclaves or police keepout zones.

Most of the US is still English only which makes it a huge ethnic enclave.


Absolutely not. For example, the displays in our hardware stores are
English and Spanish. Not that I think this is right but that\'s how it is.

What\'s weird is that lots of food products are labeled in English and
French. I think that\'s bogus food snobbery. Not many people speak
French here.

When I got lost in Oakland about 20 years ago due to a bad map I asked
at a car repair shop. No English. Looked aropnd the plaza, same thing
everywhere, all the signs in Vietnamese. The owner of the shop motioned
to a bus stop and said \"yielohw ... weet\". Aha! So I waited for the big
yellow school bus, lots of kids including his son popped out and he
translated.

All the construction crews here speak Spanish, except for the
occasional chinese. The Mission District is heavy hispanic. Roughly
half of my employees grew up speaking non-English. Chinese dialects,
Spanish, Portugese. Dinner was yummy chinese/korean dumplings.

Our election ballot material is sent out in other languages. Now, to be
eligible to vote you must be a citizen and to become citizen one must
pass the language test. Weird.

Yes, weird.

When moving to another country I expect the new arrivals to learn that
country\'s official language if they plan to stay. Just as I did in the
Netherlands even though I only lived there a few years. I felt it was
the right thing to do. It takes effort but man has got to do what man
has got to do (Johne Wayne).

[...]

 

[Jan Panteltje]

On a sunny day (Fri, 21 Jul 2023 04:35:37 -0700) it happened John Larkin
<jlarkin@highlandSNIPMEtechnology.com> wrote in
<6pqkbih38se7khurdotp551tp4mt4gdii7@4ax.com>:

On Fri, 21 Jul 2023 05:21:58 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid
wrote:

On a sunny day (Thu, 20 Jul 2023 12:38:16 -0700) it happened John Larkin
jlarkin@highlandSNIPMEtechnology.com> wrote in
s73jbidgt975ahkbmorm8asm3t95n3oo01@4ax.com>:

On Thu, 20 Jul 2023 12:31:13 -0700, Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com
wrote:

On 7/19/23 11:53 PM, Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (Wed, 19 Jul 2023 14:16:16 -0700) it happened Joerg
news@analogconsultants.com> wrote in <khr252F3kvvU1@mid.individual.net>:

On 7/18/23 9:43 PM, Jan Panteltje wrote:
The missing Americans:
Unprecedented US mortality far exceeds other wealthy nations
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2023/07/230717143216.htm

Summary:
A new study found that more than one million US deaths per year -- including many young and working-age adults --
could be avoided if the US had mortality rates similar to its peer nations.
In 2021, 1.1 million deaths would have been averted in the United States if the US had mortality rates similar
to other wealthy nations, according to a new study.


Much of the reasons can be summed up in very few words: Fast food, not
much sports, plenty of audio-visual entertainment, too much drug use. A
sedentary lifestyle.

There is almost a two-tier society here when it comes to health.

On one side those that are more of less couch potatoes, generally rather
overweight. These folks develop ailments such as high cholesterol
levels, diabetes, almost mortal obesity, cardiac events and such quite
early in life. Usually before retirement.

Could be genetics, inherited from parents etc...


Very unlikely. I\'ve lived on both continents for decades and the
differences are massive. It\'s habits, plain and simple.


The other tier are those who could be considered fitness buffs. I
regularly meet them at the gym, on my road bike, on mountain bike trails
or walking their dogs in the morning at a pretty fast clip. Rain or
shine, and that\'s one of the differences, the motivation. Those are the
people you see hammering up a rocky and steep singletrack at age 80,
having a blast.

Well I did some sport in my kid days, my father wanted me to join a club
that did long marches on a regular basis, so walking, you got a medal
if you made it.. I had a box full, never cared much about it
but was more fascinated about all the places we went.
We had sports at school, hokey, some soccer, swimming was required,
I liked to play billiards and some snooker..
biking I did a lot as a kid,..

I see a lot of older people here walking with a stick, slowly,
I am lucky, still running around like when I was 20..
Biking a lot..


Got to keep active. You can always get some sort of disease but one
should not trigger it with a sedentary lifestyle.

[...]

I think I\'ll hike down the hill and try to score some pizza dough.

I had some pizza last night, bought in the supermarket,
kept in the deep freeze, added my own toppings... mmmm

I do like to cook things.
Maybe it helps that I am a vegetarian (since the mid seventies).
And I do not drink alcohol either.
So for today spaghetti and a banana and tofu and olives, olive oil, mushrooms, is planned
Yogurt, apple juice, kiwis, whole wheat cookies, ice cream, and some H2O.
Kiwis or grapes every other day!

The little market down the hill sells fresh sourdough pizza dough
every day, until they run out. It\'s in a thin plastic bag and feels
gross. It makes a fabulous pizza, or you can make fried bread which is
great. But a little sweet Italian sausage on the pizza wouldn\'t kill
you.

We just scored two bags of cranberry beans, also called borlottis. We
plan a cook-off on Saturday, one vegetarian and one my way.

Try this, if you can get it.

https://www.amazon.com/SFOGLINI-Cascatelli-Pasta-16-OZ/dp/B09YB51CFT/ref=sr_1_4_pp?crid=2CZPB1E4GEDN&keywords=cascatelli+pasta&qid=1689939206&sprefix=cascatelli%2Caps%2C165&sr=8-4

It\'s a weird, wonderful take on pasta. Boil in very salty water for 21
minutes at sea level.

Seems nice
I also use a lot of ketchup, and tomatoes too yesterday.
And we have nice brown sliced bread...
https://www.ah.nl/producten/product/wi512387/ah-waldkorn-classic-heel
recently tested as best bread..
with good butter... and cheese every day
https://www.ah.nl/producten/product/wi197228/de-zaanse-hoeve-belegen-48-plakken
And they have great apple pie ... baked while you wait for it, still warm..
https://www.ah.nl/producten/product/wi231911/ah-roomboter-appeltaart
nice with cream:
https://www.ah.nl/producten/product/wi475115/ah-slagroom-spuitbus

 

[John Larkin]

On Fri, 21 Jul 2023 12:12:13 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid>
wrote:

On a sunny day (Fri, 21 Jul 2023 04:35:37 -0700) it happened John Larkin
jlarkin@highlandSNIPMEtechnology.com> wrote in
6pqkbih38se7khurdotp551tp4mt4gdii7@4ax.com>:

On Fri, 21 Jul 2023 05:21:58 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid
wrote:

On a sunny day (Thu, 20 Jul 2023 12:38:16 -0700) it happened John Larkin
jlarkin@highlandSNIPMEtechnology.com> wrote in
s73jbidgt975ahkbmorm8asm3t95n3oo01@4ax.com>:

On Thu, 20 Jul 2023 12:31:13 -0700, Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com
wrote:

On 7/19/23 11:53 PM, Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (Wed, 19 Jul 2023 14:16:16 -0700) it happened Joerg
news@analogconsultants.com> wrote in <khr252F3kvvU1@mid.individual.net>:

On 7/18/23 9:43 PM, Jan Panteltje wrote:
The missing Americans:
Unprecedented US mortality far exceeds other wealthy nations
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2023/07/230717143216.htm

Summary:
A new study found that more than one million US deaths per year -- including many young and working-age adults --
could be avoided if the US had mortality rates similar to its peer nations.
In 2021, 1.1 million deaths would have been averted in the United States if the US had mortality rates similar
to other wealthy nations, according to a new study.


Much of the reasons can be summed up in very few words: Fast food, not
much sports, plenty of audio-visual entertainment, too much drug use. A
sedentary lifestyle.

There is almost a two-tier society here when it comes to health.

On one side those that are more of less couch potatoes, generally rather
overweight. These folks develop ailments such as high cholesterol
levels, diabetes, almost mortal obesity, cardiac events and such quite
early in life. Usually before retirement.

Could be genetics, inherited from parents etc...


Very unlikely. I\'ve lived on both continents for decades and the
differences are massive. It\'s habits, plain and simple.


The other tier are those who could be considered fitness buffs. I
regularly meet them at the gym, on my road bike, on mountain bike trails
or walking their dogs in the morning at a pretty fast clip. Rain or
shine, and that\'s one of the differences, the motivation. Those are the
people you see hammering up a rocky and steep singletrack at age 80,
having a blast.

Well I did some sport in my kid days, my father wanted me to join a club
that did long marches on a regular basis, so walking, you got a medal
if you made it.. I had a box full, never cared much about it
but was more fascinated about all the places we went.
We had sports at school, hokey, some soccer, swimming was required,
I liked to play billiards and some snooker..
biking I did a lot as a kid,..

I see a lot of older people here walking with a stick, slowly,
I am lucky, still running around like when I was 20..
Biking a lot..


Got to keep active. You can always get some sort of disease but one
should not trigger it with a sedentary lifestyle.

[...]

I think I\'ll hike down the hill and try to score some pizza dough.

I had some pizza last night, bought in the supermarket,
kept in the deep freeze, added my own toppings... mmmm

I do like to cook things.
Maybe it helps that I am a vegetarian (since the mid seventies).
And I do not drink alcohol either.
So for today spaghetti and a banana and tofu and olives, olive oil, mushrooms, is planned
Yogurt, apple juice, kiwis, whole wheat cookies, ice cream, and some H2O.
Kiwis or grapes every other day!

The little market down the hill sells fresh sourdough pizza dough
every day, until they run out. It\'s in a thin plastic bag and feels
gross. It makes a fabulous pizza, or you can make fried bread which is
great. But a little sweet Italian sausage on the pizza wouldn\'t kill
you.

We just scored two bags of cranberry beans, also called borlottis. We
plan a cook-off on Saturday, one vegetarian and one my way.

Try this, if you can get it.

https://www.amazon.com/SFOGLINI-Cascatelli-Pasta-16-OZ/dp/B09YB51CFT/ref=sr_1_4_pp?crid=2CZPB1E4GEDN&keywords=cascatelli+pasta&qid=1689939206&sprefix=cascatelli%2Caps%2C165&sr=8-4

It\'s a weird, wonderful take on pasta. Boil in very salty water for 21
minutes at sea level.

Seems nice
I also use a lot of ketchup, and tomatoes too yesterday.
And we have nice brown sliced bread...
https://www.ah.nl/producten/product/wi512387/ah-waldkorn-classic-heel
recently tested as best bread..
with good butter... and cheese every day
https://www.ah.nl/producten/product/wi197228/de-zaanse-hoeve-belegen-48-plakken
And they have great apple pie ... baked while you wait for it, still warm..
https://www.ah.nl/producten/product/wi231911/ah-roomboter-appeltaart
nice with cream:
https://www.ah.nl/producten/product/wi475115/ah-slagroom-spuitbus

There is a trend here to more local, fresh stuff from small suppliers
or individuals, less engineered factory food. Small bakeries, small
restaurants, farmers\' markets.

These folks baked fabulous goodies in their house. They have since
gone more commercial, using rented-by-the hour commercial kitchen
space but still sell in their Bernal Heights neighborhood.

https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/dpnzy40u9ju7b1yg5wvkn/Bernal_Bakery_Basket.jpg?rlkey=s4ay94q75cwi8a9a342xmr7gg&raw=1

https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/7w7nyv30rqsqc6fcsjfq9/Bernal_Country.jpg?rlkey=kn6kbzs1jv4x2k1zpzcbbbne5&raw=1

You\'d line up and when you got below the basket, shout up your order.
They\'d lower it in the basket, you\'d take it and put some money.

Lots of people are renting cooking spaces, or even restaurants for a
night, and trying to cook and sell their stuff. Food trucks and
pop-ups are common lately too.

Covid sure shook things up. Maybe we\'re decentralizing.

One can run an electronics company in a small place now too. Parts can
be had overnight, internet does the marketing, contract assemblers are
everywhere. You need a part-time bookkeeper, maybe a retired CPA.

 

[Fred Bloggs]

On Friday, July 21, 2023 at 7:25:11 AM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:

On Thu, 20 Jul 2023 15:54:58 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Thursday, July 20, 2023 at 3:38:32?PM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
On Thu, 20 Jul 2023 12:31:13 -0700, Joerg <ne...@analogconsultants.com
wrote:
On 7/19/23 11:53 PM, Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (Wed, 19 Jul 2023 14:16:16 -0700) it happened Joerg
ne...@analogconsultants.com> wrote in <khr252...@mid.individual.net>:

On 7/18/23 9:43 PM, Jan Panteltje wrote:
The missing Americans:
Unprecedented US mortality far exceeds other wealthy nations
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2023/07/230717143216.htm

Summary:
A new study found that more than one million US deaths per year -- including many young and working-age adults --
could be avoided if the US had mortality rates similar to its peer nations.
In 2021, 1.1 million deaths would have been averted in the United States if the US had mortality rates similar
to other wealthy nations, according to a new study.


Much of the reasons can be summed up in very few words: Fast food, not
much sports, plenty of audio-visual entertainment, too much drug use. A
sedentary lifestyle.

There is almost a two-tier society here when it comes to health.

On one side those that are more of less couch potatoes, generally rather
overweight. These folks develop ailments such as high cholesterol
levels, diabetes, almost mortal obesity, cardiac events and such quite
early in life. Usually before retirement.

Could be genetics, inherited from parents etc...


Very unlikely. I\'ve lived on both continents for decades and the
differences are massive. It\'s habits, plain and simple.


The other tier are those who could be considered fitness buffs. I
regularly meet them at the gym, on my road bike, on mountain bike trails
or walking their dogs in the morning at a pretty fast clip. Rain or
shine, and that\'s one of the differences, the motivation. Those are the
people you see hammering up a rocky and steep singletrack at age 80,
having a blast.

Well I did some sport in my kid days, my father wanted me to join a club
that did long marches on a regular basis, so walking, you got a medal
if you made it.. I had a box full, never cared much about it
but was more fascinated about all the places we went.
We had sports at school, hokey, some soccer, swimming was required,
I liked to play billiards and some snooker..
biking I did a lot as a kid,..

I see a lot of older people here walking with a stick, slowly,
I am lucky, still running around like when I was 20..
Biking a lot..


Got to keep active. You can always get some sort of disease but one
should not trigger it with a sedentary lifestyle.

[...]
I think I\'ll hike down the hill and try to score some pizza dough.

https://www.heart.org/en/healthy-living/fitness/fitness-basics/aha-recs-for-physical-activity-in-adults
0.94 miles round trip, 246 feet delta elevation, lugging pizza dough
and parmnesan back up the hill.

That\'s a 10% incline. What was your transit time on the return uphill, did you notice?

The dough is great but gets sold out
by 2PM or so.

Hiking to shop, lots of small loads a few times per week, instead of
driving, is great. I guess that\'s not a good idea in parts of the
country where it\'s brutally hot and stores are 20 miles away.

The French village concept is healthy, a lot of small shops and a lot
of small shopping trips on foot every day. Fresh bread and such.

 

[John Larkin]

On Fri, 21 Jul 2023 08:50:15 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
<bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com> wrote:

On Friday, July 21, 2023 at 7:25:11?AM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
On Thu, 20 Jul 2023 15:54:58 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Thursday, July 20, 2023 at 3:38:32?PM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
On Thu, 20 Jul 2023 12:31:13 -0700, Joerg <ne...@analogconsultants.com
wrote:
On 7/19/23 11:53 PM, Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (Wed, 19 Jul 2023 14:16:16 -0700) it happened Joerg
ne...@analogconsultants.com> wrote in <khr252...@mid.individual.net>:

On 7/18/23 9:43 PM, Jan Panteltje wrote:
The missing Americans:
Unprecedented US mortality far exceeds other wealthy nations
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2023/07/230717143216.htm

Summary:
A new study found that more than one million US deaths per year -- including many young and working-age adults --
could be avoided if the US had mortality rates similar to its peer nations.
In 2021, 1.1 million deaths would have been averted in the United States if the US had mortality rates similar
to other wealthy nations, according to a new study.


Much of the reasons can be summed up in very few words: Fast food, not
much sports, plenty of audio-visual entertainment, too much drug use. A
sedentary lifestyle.

There is almost a two-tier society here when it comes to health.

On one side those that are more of less couch potatoes, generally rather
overweight. These folks develop ailments such as high cholesterol
levels, diabetes, almost mortal obesity, cardiac events and such quite
early in life. Usually before retirement.

Could be genetics, inherited from parents etc...


Very unlikely. I\'ve lived on both continents for decades and the
differences are massive. It\'s habits, plain and simple.


The other tier are those who could be considered fitness buffs. I
regularly meet them at the gym, on my road bike, on mountain bike trails
or walking their dogs in the morning at a pretty fast clip. Rain or
shine, and that\'s one of the differences, the motivation. Those are the
people you see hammering up a rocky and steep singletrack at age 80,
having a blast.

Well I did some sport in my kid days, my father wanted me to join a club
that did long marches on a regular basis, so walking, you got a medal
if you made it.. I had a box full, never cared much about it
but was more fascinated about all the places we went.
We had sports at school, hokey, some soccer, swimming was required,
I liked to play billiards and some snooker..
biking I did a lot as a kid,..

I see a lot of older people here walking with a stick, slowly,
I am lucky, still running around like when I was 20..
Biking a lot..


Got to keep active. You can always get some sort of disease but one
should not trigger it with a sedentary lifestyle.

[...]
I think I\'ll hike down the hill and try to score some pizza dough.

https://www.heart.org/en/healthy-living/fitness/fitness-basics/aha-recs-for-physical-activity-in-adults
0.94 miles round trip, 246 feet delta elevation, lugging pizza dough
and parmnesan back up the hill.

That\'s a 10% incline. What was your transit time on the return uphill, did you notice?

I didn\'t time it, but I did stop a few times to, err, enjoy the view.

It\'s mostly green dirt lanes and a few staircases, some up and down
bits. I sometimes pick blackberries on the way home.

I remember driving through a suburb of Dallas. All flat
air-conditioned ranch-style houses in an infinite matrix. There was a
little kid walking alone in the blazing barren landscape. We felt sad
for him.

No stairs, no slopes, nothing within walking distance, and they need
a/c everywhere to survive. No wonder people get fat.

 

[Jan Panteltje]

On a sunny day (Fri, 21 Jul 2023 08:46:43 -0700) it happened John Larkin
<jlarkin@highlandSNIPMEtechnology.com> wrote in
<859lbi12jilr0t2ivm1ks1m3ht9g4slk9g@4ax.com>:

On Fri, 21 Jul 2023 12:12:13 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid
wrote:

On a sunny day (Fri, 21 Jul 2023 04:35:37 -0700) it happened John Larkin
jlarkin@highlandSNIPMEtechnology.com> wrote in
6pqkbih38se7khurdotp551tp4mt4gdii7@4ax.com>:

On Fri, 21 Jul 2023 05:21:58 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid
wrote:

On a sunny day (Thu, 20 Jul 2023 12:38:16 -0700) it happened John Larkin
jlarkin@highlandSNIPMEtechnology.com> wrote in
s73jbidgt975ahkbmorm8asm3t95n3oo01@4ax.com>:

On Thu, 20 Jul 2023 12:31:13 -0700, Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com
wrote:

On 7/19/23 11:53 PM, Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (Wed, 19 Jul 2023 14:16:16 -0700) it happened Joerg
news@analogconsultants.com> wrote in <khr252F3kvvU1@mid.individual.net>:

On 7/18/23 9:43 PM, Jan Panteltje wrote:
The missing Americans:
Unprecedented US mortality far exceeds other wealthy nations
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2023/07/230717143216.htm

Summary:
A new study found that more than one million US deaths per year -- including many young and working-age adults --
could be avoided if the US had mortality rates similar to its peer nations.
In 2021, 1.1 million deaths would have been averted in the United States if the US had mortality rates similar
to other wealthy nations, according to a new study.


Much of the reasons can be summed up in very few words: Fast food, not
much sports, plenty of audio-visual entertainment, too much drug use. A
sedentary lifestyle.

There is almost a two-tier society here when it comes to health.

On one side those that are more of less couch potatoes, generally rather
overweight. These folks develop ailments such as high cholesterol
levels, diabetes, almost mortal obesity, cardiac events and such quite
early in life. Usually before retirement.

Could be genetics, inherited from parents etc...


Very unlikely. I\'ve lived on both continents for decades and the
differences are massive. It\'s habits, plain and simple.


The other tier are those who could be considered fitness buffs. I
regularly meet them at the gym, on my road bike, on mountain bike trails
or walking their dogs in the morning at a pretty fast clip. Rain or
shine, and that\'s one of the differences, the motivation. Those are the
people you see hammering up a rocky and steep singletrack at age 80,
having a blast.

Well I did some sport in my kid days, my father wanted me to join a club
that did long marches on a regular basis, so walking, you got a medal
if you made it.. I had a box full, never cared much about it
but was more fascinated about all the places we went.
We had sports at school, hokey, some soccer, swimming was required,
I liked to play billiards and some snooker..
biking I did a lot as a kid,..

I see a lot of older people here walking with a stick, slowly,
I am lucky, still running around like when I was 20..
Biking a lot..


Got to keep active. You can always get some sort of disease but one
should not trigger it with a sedentary lifestyle.

[...]

I think I\'ll hike down the hill and try to score some pizza dough.

I had some pizza last night, bought in the supermarket,
kept in the deep freeze, added my own toppings... mmmm

I do like to cook things.
Maybe it helps that I am a vegetarian (since the mid seventies).
And I do not drink alcohol either.
So for today spaghetti and a banana and tofu and olives, olive oil, mushrooms, is planned
Yogurt, apple juice, kiwis, whole wheat cookies, ice cream, and some H2O.
Kiwis or grapes every other day!

The little market down the hill sells fresh sourdough pizza dough
every day, until they run out. It\'s in a thin plastic bag and feels
gross. It makes a fabulous pizza, or you can make fried bread which is
great. But a little sweet Italian sausage on the pizza wouldn\'t kill
you.

We just scored two bags of cranberry beans, also called borlottis. We
plan a cook-off on Saturday, one vegetarian and one my way.

Try this, if you can get it.

https://www.amazon.com/SFOGLINI-Cascatelli-Pasta-16-OZ/dp/B09YB51CFT/ref=sr_1_4_pp?crid=2CZPB1E4GEDN&keywords=cascatelli+pasta&
qid=1689939206&sprefix=cascatelli%2Caps%2C165&sr=8-4

It\'s a weird, wonderful take on pasta. Boil in very salty water for 21
minutes at sea level.

Seems nice
I also use a lot of ketchup, and tomatoes too yesterday.
And we have nice brown sliced bread...
https://www.ah.nl/producten/product/wi512387/ah-waldkorn-classic-heel
recently tested as best bread..
with good butter... and cheese every day
https://www.ah.nl/producten/product/wi197228/de-zaanse-hoeve-belegen-48-plakken
And they have great apple pie ... baked while you wait for it, still warm..
https://www.ah.nl/producten/product/wi231911/ah-roomboter-appeltaart
nice with cream:
https://www.ah.nl/producten/product/wi475115/ah-slagroom-spuitbus


There is a trend here to more local, fresh stuff from small suppliers
or individuals, less engineered factory food. Small bakeries, small
restaurants, farmers\' markets.

These folks baked fabulous goodies in their house. They have since
gone more commercial, using rented-by-the hour commercial kitchen
space but still sell in their Bernal Heights neighborhood.

https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/dpnzy40u9ju7b1yg5wvkn/Bernal_Bakery_Basket.jpg?rlkey=s4ay94q75cwi8a9a342xmr7gg&raw=1

https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/7w7nyv30rqsqc6fcsjfq9/Bernal_Country.jpg?rlkey=kn6kbzs1jv4x2k1zpzcbbbne5&raw=1

You\'d line up and when you got below the basket, shout up your order.
They\'d lower it in the basket, you\'d take it and put some money.

Lots of people are renting cooking spaces, or even restaurants for a
night, and trying to cook and sell their stuff. Food trucks and
pop-ups are common lately too.

Covid sure shook things up. Maybe we\'re decentralizing.

One can run an electronics company in a small place now too. Parts can
be had overnight, internet does the marketing, contract assemblers are
everywhere. You need a part-time bookkeeper, maybe a retired CPA.

I had a TV repair shop in Amsterdam for years in the seventies and eighties.
Small space shop and an other big space for repairs later a few streets away.
Administration done by some guy who was good a it.
Turned into a VOF
https://business.gov.nl/starting-your-business/choosing-a-business-structure/general-partnership/
sales guy in the shop, truck driver...
You need some papers, diplomas, that is all.
Designed stuff too.

 

[Fred Bloggs]

On Friday, July 21, 2023 at 12:06:04 PM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:

On Fri, 21 Jul 2023 08:50:15 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Friday, July 21, 2023 at 7:25:11?AM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
On Thu, 20 Jul 2023 15:54:58 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Thursday, July 20, 2023 at 3:38:32?PM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
On Thu, 20 Jul 2023 12:31:13 -0700, Joerg <ne...@analogconsultants.com
wrote:
On 7/19/23 11:53 PM, Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (Wed, 19 Jul 2023 14:16:16 -0700) it happened Joerg
ne...@analogconsultants.com> wrote in <khr252...@mid.individual..net>:

On 7/18/23 9:43 PM, Jan Panteltje wrote:
The missing Americans:
Unprecedented US mortality far exceeds other wealthy nations
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2023/07/230717143216.htm

Summary:
A new study found that more than one million US deaths per year -- including many young and working-age adults --
could be avoided if the US had mortality rates similar to its peer nations.
In 2021, 1.1 million deaths would have been averted in the United States if the US had mortality rates similar
to other wealthy nations, according to a new study.


Much of the reasons can be summed up in very few words: Fast food, not
much sports, plenty of audio-visual entertainment, too much drug use. A
sedentary lifestyle.

There is almost a two-tier society here when it comes to health..

On one side those that are more of less couch potatoes, generally rather
overweight. These folks develop ailments such as high cholesterol
levels, diabetes, almost mortal obesity, cardiac events and such quite
early in life. Usually before retirement.

Could be genetics, inherited from parents etc...


Very unlikely. I\'ve lived on both continents for decades and the
differences are massive. It\'s habits, plain and simple.


The other tier are those who could be considered fitness buffs. I
regularly meet them at the gym, on my road bike, on mountain bike trails
or walking their dogs in the morning at a pretty fast clip. Rain or
shine, and that\'s one of the differences, the motivation. Those are the
people you see hammering up a rocky and steep singletrack at age 80,
having a blast.

Well I did some sport in my kid days, my father wanted me to join a club
that did long marches on a regular basis, so walking, you got a medal
if you made it.. I had a box full, never cared much about it
but was more fascinated about all the places we went.
We had sports at school, hokey, some soccer, swimming was required,
I liked to play billiards and some snooker..
biking I did a lot as a kid,..

I see a lot of older people here walking with a stick, slowly,
I am lucky, still running around like when I was 20..
Biking a lot..


Got to keep active. You can always get some sort of disease but one
should not trigger it with a sedentary lifestyle.

[...]
I think I\'ll hike down the hill and try to score some pizza dough.

https://www.heart.org/en/healthy-living/fitness/fitness-basics/aha-recs-for-physical-activity-in-adults
0.94 miles round trip, 246 feet delta elevation, lugging pizza dough
and parmnesan back up the hill.

That\'s a 10% incline. What was your transit time on the return uphill, did you notice?
I didn\'t time it, but I did stop a few times to, err, enjoy the view.

It\'s mostly green dirt lanes and a few staircases, some up and down
bits. I sometimes pick blackberries on the way home.

That\'s probably in the light-moderate intensity by AHA.

There\'s really no substitute for programmed exercise by way of anything else.

For the longest time AHA was advocating just 15 minutes daily exercise at the high end of moderate, they defined as 70% perceived exertion, or puts you on the verge of perspiration, not heavy sweating. Now they\'re saying everyone needs 30 minutes. I think 15 minutes is enough. They defeat their purpose when they ask people to do something inconvenient like set aside 30 minutes on a busy day. People are just going to skip workouts. If you have a foldable treadmill ( Gold\'s Gym from Walmart ), you can roll it out and do your workout after some coffee and before breakfast and be done with it. You should feel mildly invigorated by it, otherwise adjust your intensity until you do.

It\'s way more convenient than a stroke.

I remember driving through a suburb of Dallas. All flat
air-conditioned ranch-style houses in an infinite matrix. There was a
little kid walking alone in the blazing barren landscape. We felt sad
for him.

No stairs, no slopes, nothing within walking distance, and they need
a/c everywhere to survive. No wonder people get fat.

Diabetes belt.

I took a bus from Dallas to El Paso once, and nearly went nuts from the endless monotony of that landscape.

 

[John Larkin]

On Sat, 22 Jul 2023 05:32:10 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
<bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com> wrote:

On Friday, July 21, 2023 at 12:06:04?PM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
On Fri, 21 Jul 2023 08:50:15 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Friday, July 21, 2023 at 7:25:11?AM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
On Thu, 20 Jul 2023 15:54:58 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Thursday, July 20, 2023 at 3:38:32?PM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
On Thu, 20 Jul 2023 12:31:13 -0700, Joerg <ne...@analogconsultants.com
wrote:
On 7/19/23 11:53 PM, Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (Wed, 19 Jul 2023 14:16:16 -0700) it happened Joerg
ne...@analogconsultants.com> wrote in <khr252...@mid.individual.net>:

On 7/18/23 9:43 PM, Jan Panteltje wrote:
The missing Americans:
Unprecedented US mortality far exceeds other wealthy nations
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2023/07/230717143216.htm

Summary:
A new study found that more than one million US deaths per year -- including many young and working-age adults --
could be avoided if the US had mortality rates similar to its peer nations.
In 2021, 1.1 million deaths would have been averted in the United States if the US had mortality rates similar
to other wealthy nations, according to a new study.


Much of the reasons can be summed up in very few words: Fast food, not
much sports, plenty of audio-visual entertainment, too much drug use. A
sedentary lifestyle.

There is almost a two-tier society here when it comes to health.

On one side those that are more of less couch potatoes, generally rather
overweight. These folks develop ailments such as high cholesterol
levels, diabetes, almost mortal obesity, cardiac events and such quite
early in life. Usually before retirement.

Could be genetics, inherited from parents etc...


Very unlikely. I\'ve lived on both continents for decades and the
differences are massive. It\'s habits, plain and simple.


The other tier are those who could be considered fitness buffs. I
regularly meet them at the gym, on my road bike, on mountain bike trails
or walking their dogs in the morning at a pretty fast clip. Rain or
shine, and that\'s one of the differences, the motivation. Those are the
people you see hammering up a rocky and steep singletrack at age 80,
having a blast.

Well I did some sport in my kid days, my father wanted me to join a club
that did long marches on a regular basis, so walking, you got a medal
if you made it.. I had a box full, never cared much about it
but was more fascinated about all the places we went.
We had sports at school, hokey, some soccer, swimming was required,
I liked to play billiards and some snooker..
biking I did a lot as a kid,..

I see a lot of older people here walking with a stick, slowly,
I am lucky, still running around like when I was 20..
Biking a lot..


Got to keep active. You can always get some sort of disease but one
should not trigger it with a sedentary lifestyle.

[...]
I think I\'ll hike down the hill and try to score some pizza dough.

https://www.heart.org/en/healthy-living/fitness/fitness-basics/aha-recs-for-physical-activity-in-adults
0.94 miles round trip, 246 feet delta elevation, lugging pizza dough
and parmnesan back up the hill.

That\'s a 10% incline. What was your transit time on the return uphill, did you notice?
I didn\'t time it, but I did stop a few times to, err, enjoy the view.

It\'s mostly green dirt lanes and a few staircases, some up and down
bits. I sometimes pick blackberries on the way home.

That\'s probably in the light-moderate intensity by AHA.

There\'s really no substitute for programmed exercise by way of anything else.

For the longest time AHA was advocating just 15 minutes daily exercise at the high end of moderate, they defined as 70% perceived exertion, or puts you on the verge of perspiration, not heavy sweating. Now they\'re saying everyone needs 30 minutes. I think 15 minutes is enough. They defeat their purpose when they ask people to do something inconvenient like set aside 30 minutes on a busy day. People are just going to skip workouts. If you have a foldable treadmill ( Gold\'s Gym from Walmart ), you can roll it out and do your workout after some coffee and before breakfast and be done with it. You should feel mildly invigorated by it, otherwise adjust your intensity until you do.

What most people will feel is boredom. Used treadmills are plentiful
and cheap. What\'s a better long-term incentive is some really good
latte half a mile away.

It\'s way more convenient than a stroke.


I remember driving through a suburb of Dallas. All flat
air-conditioned ranch-style houses in an infinite matrix. There was a
little kid walking alone in the blazing barren landscape. We felt sad
for him.

No stairs, no slopes, nothing within walking distance, and they need
a/c everywhere to survive. No wonder people get fat.

Diabetes belt.

I took a bus from Dallas to El Paso once, and nearly went nuts from the endless monotony of that landscape.

Driving clear across Texas, from Louisiana to New Mexico on Interstate
10, is an amazing experience. Over 1100 miles, much of it staring at
the vanishing point along a flat, straight highway with just dirt and
scrub on both sides.

Some people live in places like that, but towns should have some
complexity, as old natural-grown towns did. Matrix subdivisions are
abominations.

This was written in 1961

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/067974195X/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1

but is still right on the mark. She has interesting things to say
about walkability.

 

[Fred Bloggs]

On Saturday, July 22, 2023 at 9:48:32 AM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:

On Sat, 22 Jul 2023 05:32:10 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Friday, July 21, 2023 at 12:06:04?PM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
On Fri, 21 Jul 2023 08:50:15 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Friday, July 21, 2023 at 7:25:11?AM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
On Thu, 20 Jul 2023 15:54:58 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Thursday, July 20, 2023 at 3:38:32?PM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
On Thu, 20 Jul 2023 12:31:13 -0700, Joerg <ne...@analogconsultants.com
wrote:
On 7/19/23 11:53 PM, Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (Wed, 19 Jul 2023 14:16:16 -0700) it happened Joerg
ne...@analogconsultants.com> wrote in <khr252...@mid.individual.net>:

On 7/18/23 9:43 PM, Jan Panteltje wrote:
The missing Americans:
Unprecedented US mortality far exceeds other wealthy nations
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2023/07/230717143216.htm

Summary:
A new study found that more than one million US deaths per year -- including many young and working-age adults --
could be avoided if the US had mortality rates similar to its peer nations.
In 2021, 1.1 million deaths would have been averted in the United States if the US had mortality rates similar
to other wealthy nations, according to a new study.


Much of the reasons can be summed up in very few words: Fast food, not
much sports, plenty of audio-visual entertainment, too much drug use. A
sedentary lifestyle.

There is almost a two-tier society here when it comes to health.

On one side those that are more of less couch potatoes, generally rather
overweight. These folks develop ailments such as high cholesterol
levels, diabetes, almost mortal obesity, cardiac events and such quite
early in life. Usually before retirement.

Could be genetics, inherited from parents etc...


Very unlikely. I\'ve lived on both continents for decades and the
differences are massive. It\'s habits, plain and simple.


The other tier are those who could be considered fitness buffs. I
regularly meet them at the gym, on my road bike, on mountain bike trails
or walking their dogs in the morning at a pretty fast clip. Rain or
shine, and that\'s one of the differences, the motivation. Those are the
people you see hammering up a rocky and steep singletrack at age 80,
having a blast.

Well I did some sport in my kid days, my father wanted me to join a club
that did long marches on a regular basis, so walking, you got a medal
if you made it.. I had a box full, never cared much about it
but was more fascinated about all the places we went.
We had sports at school, hokey, some soccer, swimming was required,
I liked to play billiards and some snooker..
biking I did a lot as a kid,..

I see a lot of older people here walking with a stick, slowly,
I am lucky, still running around like when I was 20..
Biking a lot..


Got to keep active. You can always get some sort of disease but one
should not trigger it with a sedentary lifestyle.

[...]
I think I\'ll hike down the hill and try to score some pizza dough.

https://www.heart.org/en/healthy-living/fitness/fitness-basics/aha-recs-for-physical-activity-in-adults
0.94 miles round trip, 246 feet delta elevation, lugging pizza dough
and parmnesan back up the hill.

That\'s a 10% incline. What was your transit time on the return uphill, did you notice?
I didn\'t time it, but I did stop a few times to, err, enjoy the view.

It\'s mostly green dirt lanes and a few staircases, some up and down
bits. I sometimes pick blackberries on the way home.

That\'s probably in the light-moderate intensity by AHA.

There\'s really no substitute for programmed exercise by way of anything else.

For the longest time AHA was advocating just 15 minutes daily exercise at the high end of moderate, they defined as 70% perceived exertion, or puts you on the verge of perspiration, not heavy sweating. Now they\'re saying everyone needs 30 minutes. I think 15 minutes is enough. They defeat their purpose when they ask people to do something inconvenient like set aside 30 minutes on a busy day. People are just going to skip workouts. If you have a foldable treadmill ( Gold\'s Gym from Walmart ), you can roll it out and do your workout after some coffee and before breakfast and be done with it. You should feel mildly invigorated by it, otherwise adjust your intensity until you do.
What most people will feel is boredom. Used treadmills are plentiful
and cheap. What\'s a better long-term incentive is some really good
latte half a mile away.

It\'s way more convenient than a stroke.


I remember driving through a suburb of Dallas. All flat
air-conditioned ranch-style houses in an infinite matrix. There was a
little kid walking alone in the blazing barren landscape. We felt sad
for him.

No stairs, no slopes, nothing within walking distance, and they need
a/c everywhere to survive. No wonder people get fat.

Diabetes belt.

I took a bus from Dallas to El Paso once, and nearly went nuts from the endless monotony of that landscape.
Driving clear across Texas, from Louisiana to New Mexico on Interstate
10, is an amazing experience. Over 1100 miles, much of it staring at
the vanishing point along a flat, straight highway with just dirt and
scrub on both sides.

Some people live in places like that, but towns should have some
complexity, as old natural-grown towns did. Matrix subdivisions are
abominations.

This was written in 1961

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/067974195X/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1

but is still right on the mark. She has interesting things to say
about walkability.

You can say that about a lot of towns and cities with medieval origins in Europe, but not the USA where virtually everyplace was formed to support some kind of industry. Central and south America are the same way.

 

[Martin Brown]

On 20/07/2023 07:53, Jan Panteltje wrote:

On a sunny day (Wed, 19 Jul 2023 14:16:16 -0700) it happened Joerg
news@analogconsultants.com> wrote in <khr252F3kvvU1@mid.individual.net>:

On 7/18/23 9:43 PM, Jan Panteltje wrote:
The missing Americans:
Unprecedented US mortality far exceeds other wealthy nations
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2023/07/230717143216.htm

Summary:
A new study found that more than one million US deaths per year -- including many young and working-age adults --
could be avoided if the US had mortality rates similar to its peer nations.
In 2021, 1.1 million deaths would have been averted in the United States if the US had mortality rates similar
to other wealthy nations, according to a new study.


Much of the reasons can be summed up in very few words: Fast food, not
much sports, plenty of audio-visual entertainment, too much drug use. A
sedentary lifestyle.

There is almost a two-tier society here when it comes to health.

On one side those that are more of less couch potatoes, generally rather
overweight. These folks develop ailments such as high cholesterol
levels, diabetes, almost mortal obesity, cardiac events and such quite
early in life. Usually before retirement.

Could be genetics, inherited from parents etc...

Nah. It is difficult in the US to buy a meal the right size for an
ordinary fit adult human to eat entirely. Typical US meals start at
about twice your average European meal in weight and go upwards.

Supersize me pretty much sums up the US attitude to consuming copious
amounts of junk food high in saturated fat, sugar and salt. It also
showed its effects in short order on the guy who made the film.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_Size_Me

Joerg is right that the US population is bimodal with a minority who are
fitness buffs and look more or less European. Many are just a bit
overweight but recently something like 40% of Americans are obese by the
standard medical definition. That is storing up trouble for everyone.

High BMI and its associated comorbidities of hypertension, diabetes were
potent risk factors during Covid.

--
Martin Brown

 

[Jan Panteltje]

On a sunny day (Thu, 27 Jul 2023 09:35:23 +0100) it happened Martin Brown
<\'\'\'newspam\'\'\'@nonad.co.uk> wrote in <u9ta8c$1r8bi$2@dont-email.me>:

On 20/07/2023 07:53, Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (Wed, 19 Jul 2023 14:16:16 -0700) it happened Joerg
news@analogconsultants.com> wrote in <khr252F3kvvU1@mid.individual.net>:

On 7/18/23 9:43 PM, Jan Panteltje wrote:
The missing Americans:
Unprecedented US mortality far exceeds other wealthy nations
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2023/07/230717143216.htm

Summary:
A new study found that more than one million US deaths per year -- including many young and working-age adults --
could be avoided if the US had mortality rates similar to its peer nations.
In 2021, 1.1 million deaths would have been averted in the United States if the US had mortality rates similar
to other wealthy nations, according to a new study.


Much of the reasons can be summed up in very few words: Fast food, not
much sports, plenty of audio-visual entertainment, too much drug use. A
sedentary lifestyle.

There is almost a two-tier society here when it comes to health.

On one side those that are more of less couch potatoes, generally rather
overweight. These folks develop ailments such as high cholesterol
levels, diabetes, almost mortal obesity, cardiac events and such quite
early in life. Usually before retirement.

Could be genetics, inherited from parents etc...

Nah. It is difficult in the US to buy a meal the right size for an
ordinary fit adult human to eat entirely. Typical US meals start at
about twice your average European meal in weight and go upwards.

Supersize me pretty much sums up the US attitude to consuming copious
amounts of junk food high in saturated fat, sugar and salt. It also
showed its effects in short order on the guy who made the film.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_Size_Me

Joerg is right that the US population is bimodal with a minority who are
fitness buffs and look more or less European. Many are just a bit
overweight but recently something like 40% of Americans are obese by the
standard medical definition. That is storing up trouble for everyone.

High BMI and its associated comorbidities of hypertension, diabetes were
potent risk factors during Covid.

Just did read that site, but it also says:
As a counterpoint:
the film features interviews with Big Mac aficionado Don Gorske,
who eats an average of two Big Macs a day,
yet maintains his weight and cholesterol.

Much depends on our gut microbes, what they like, what they do.
Not been to Mc Donalds for many years myself..
Have lived on french fries and some cheese for long times.
French fries and some meat before the mid seventies.
And used to eat at Chinese restaurants a lot...
was one next to where I lived in the early seventies.
And at work, the media center has its own restaurant.
No idea what was in it, never payed much attention, taste was good..
Have not eaten meat or used alcohol since 1976 or so.

I eat a lot more fruit these days.
In the UK I mainly lived on pitas, bought from
one of the many Indian stores.
Some cheese... hardly any fruit.
So, not everybody is the same.
Survived in the wild from things I found, taking some chances,
not even boiled water from a stream, things I dug up.


Now the grapes in my garden look big enough to have a go
And was eating a lot of chocolate lately...
sometimes month long none, then lots of chocolate...
Use no drugs either.
Plenty exercise, biking, gardening, now running up and down stairs putting in some cables for something..
But also sitting still and watching movies or just coding...