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Mike Monett
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Marco Reps has an interesting article on low noise amplifiers:
Ultralow Noise Tester: 9V Battery vs. 7805 vs. LTZ1000
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XpbDMo8an5w
- uses ADA4523: $3.030 Mouser, Digikey, 4.2 nV/sqrt(Hz), RRIO, 100pA Ib
- Datasheet https://octopart.com/search?q=ada4523
Cross-correlation would improve noise floor. Hard to get down to
Gerhard\'s level, but maybe doable.
1. Here is a brief explanation of how cross-correlation works:
\"Understanding Phase Noise - the Cross Correlation Method\"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sf7qiysPFbQ
2. The benefit of cross-correlation depends on how long you are
willing to wait. From
\"TSP #162 Tutorial on Theory, Characterization & Measurement
Techniques of Phase Noise\"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SOHjFtw0sgo
each 5db of improvement requires an order of magnitude increase in
the number of correlations.
dB 5 10 15 20 25 30 35 40
N 10 100 1000 1E4 1E5 1E6 1e7 1e8
So going from -180dBc/Hz to 220dBc/Hz would require 1e8 correlations.
3. Nobody would wait that long. But how many correlations do you need?
A commonly accepted figure is your measurement noise floor has to be
at least 10 dB below the noise you are trying to measure. We could
pad that by 5 db, which would require
15 / 5 = 3
1e3 = 1000 correlations. That is not too bad.
4. It is interesting to note the Holsworth HA7062C Phase Noise
Analyzer goes to a maximum of 1024 cross-correlations. 100
correlations (-10dB) takes 7 min, 9s at 10 MHz.
https://holzworth.com/Portals/0/HA7062C_Web_Datasheet.pdf
5. Finally, \"Frequency Signal Source\'s PN (Phase Noise) Measurements
Challenges and Uncertainty\", by Ulrich L. Rohde, has some very
important information on cross-correlation errors. This file is at
https://www.mrmonett.com/pdfs/2015-IFCS-Rohde-Oscillator-noise.pdf
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MRM
Ultralow Noise Tester: 9V Battery vs. 7805 vs. LTZ1000
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XpbDMo8an5w
- uses ADA4523: $3.030 Mouser, Digikey, 4.2 nV/sqrt(Hz), RRIO, 100pA Ib
- Datasheet https://octopart.com/search?q=ada4523
Cross-correlation would improve noise floor. Hard to get down to
Gerhard\'s level, but maybe doable.
1. Here is a brief explanation of how cross-correlation works:
\"Understanding Phase Noise - the Cross Correlation Method\"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sf7qiysPFbQ
2. The benefit of cross-correlation depends on how long you are
willing to wait. From
\"TSP #162 Tutorial on Theory, Characterization & Measurement
Techniques of Phase Noise\"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SOHjFtw0sgo
each 5db of improvement requires an order of magnitude increase in
the number of correlations.
dB 5 10 15 20 25 30 35 40
N 10 100 1000 1E4 1E5 1E6 1e7 1e8
So going from -180dBc/Hz to 220dBc/Hz would require 1e8 correlations.
3. Nobody would wait that long. But how many correlations do you need?
A commonly accepted figure is your measurement noise floor has to be
at least 10 dB below the noise you are trying to measure. We could
pad that by 5 db, which would require
15 / 5 = 3
1e3 = 1000 correlations. That is not too bad.
4. It is interesting to note the Holsworth HA7062C Phase Noise
Analyzer goes to a maximum of 1024 cross-correlations. 100
correlations (-10dB) takes 7 min, 9s at 10 MHz.
https://holzworth.com/Portals/0/HA7062C_Web_Datasheet.pdf
5. Finally, \"Frequency Signal Source\'s PN (Phase Noise) Measurements
Challenges and Uncertainty\", by Ulrich L. Rohde, has some very
important information on cross-correlation errors. This file is at
https://www.mrmonett.com/pdfs/2015-IFCS-Rohde-Oscillator-noise.pdf
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MRM