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Hi there,

Senario:

I am moving house and I want to install my mini dish in the same location as
where the previous owner has his. I know the ball park direction to face the
dish, all I would like to know is how does the alignment work? Can I just
point it and obtain the localiser jargon and then fine tune the direction to
get the reciever to lock onto the satellite? Or do I need to pay someone to
come and do it for me, which I am reluctant to do as I am more than capable
to do it myself..

Many Thanks

Alistair


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In news:br9sq1$ncp$1@sparta.btinternet.com (Alistair):
Hi there,

Senario:

I am moving house and I want to install my mini dish in the same
location as where the previous owner has his. I know the ball park
direction to face the dish, all I would like to know is how does the
alignment work? Can I just point it and obtain the localiser jargon and
then fine tune the direction to get the reciever to lock onto the
satellite? Or do I need to pay someone to come and do it for me, which
I am reluctant to do as I am more than capable to do it myself..

Many Thanks

Alistair
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Hi Alistair. I think these are "calibrated" using some form of signal
strength meter like a "carrier strength detector" tuned and connected
directly to the dish. The tech simply moves the dish to obtain the largest
signal strength, and voila. Sorry I don't have more accurate info, someone
correct me if wrong. :)
 
I remember seeing a kit at maplins (during my uni days as a part timer a
couple of years ago) that you could buy to line up your dish. It came with
a compass type instrument and some other instruments. Cant remember how
much it cost but if you call them they may be able to help.

Naveed

"Alistair" <alistair.echlin@btinternet.com> wrote in message
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Hi there,

Senario:

I am moving house and I want to install my mini dish in the same location
as
where the previous owner has his. I know the ball park direction to face
the
dish, all I would like to know is how does the alignment work? Can I just
point it and obtain the localiser jargon and then fine tune the direction
to
get the reciever to lock onto the satellite? Or do I need to pay someone
to
come and do it for me, which I am reluctant to do as I am more than
capable
to do it myself..

Many Thanks

Alistair


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In news:br9sq1$ncp$1@sparta.btinternet.com (Alistair):
Hi there,

Senario:

I am moving house and I want to install my mini dish in the same
location as where the previous owner has his. I know the ball park
direction to face the dish, all I would like to know is how does the
alignment work? Can I just point it and obtain the localiser jargon and
then fine tune the direction to get the reciever to lock onto the
satellite? Or do I need to pay someone to come and do it for me, which
I am reluctant to do as I am more than capable to do it myself..

Many Thanks

Alistair



Hi Alistair. I think these are "calibrated" using some form of signal
strength meter like a "carrier strength detector" tuned and connected
directly to the dish. The tech simply moves the dish to obtain the largest
signal strength, and voila. Sorry I don't have more accurate info, someone
correct me if wrong. :)


Yep, that's pretty much it. Plus, the SKY box has a signal strength
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indicator and signal quality indicator in one of the preferences sub menu.
So you can use that to tune it in. Will be a bit of a ball ache but should
be possible. Worth a shot before you call Sky to do it and get charge for
the privilge

Robbie
 
Many of the professional installer use a spectrum monitor. Some have a
specific dedicated instrument for this. This saves them from having to have
a TV set near to them, while up in high places or in areas that are
difficult to work in. Doing the adjustments with an instrument for this, is
the most accurate way.

Most of the home Satellite TV receivers have a sub menu where there is a
signal strength menu. I should show a virtual meter. What you can do is feed
an output of the receiver to a TV that you can have in site to where the
dish is. The idea is to peak the meter reading to the maximum. The more
obscure way would be to have someone in the house shout back the readings to
you. This is a difficult way to do this. A set of walki-talkies can be
handy for this if the set is too far to shout from.

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"Alistair" <alistair.echlin@btinternet.com> wrote in message
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Hi there,

Senario:

I am moving house and I want to install my mini dish in the same location as
where the previous owner has his. I know the ball park direction to face the
dish, all I would like to know is how does the alignment work? Can I just
point it and obtain the localiser jargon and then fine tune the direction to
get the reciever to lock onto the satellite? Or do I need to pay someone to
come and do it for me, which I am reluctant to do as I am more than capable
to do it myself..

Many Thanks

Alistair


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alistair

this is fairly easy to do.

put your receiver into the setup mode so you see the signal strenght bar.

have someone at the top of the ladder adjust the dish SLOWLY in the vertical
& horizonal plan do a zig zag.
until you get the highest signal & quality possible.

it takes good co-ordination between the adjuster & the meter reader & a good
bit of yelling or talking on intercom/walkie talkie but its not difficult.

alternatilvly arrange with the house seller NOT to take the sih down & give
him your dish & lnb.

robin..
"Alistair" <alistair.echlin@btinternet.com> wrote in message
news:br9sq1$ncp$1@sparta.btinternet.com...
Hi there,

Senario:

I am moving house and I want to install my mini dish in the same location
as
where the previous owner has his. I know the ball park direction to face
the
dish, all I would like to know is how does the alignment work? Can I just
point it and obtain the localiser jargon and then fine tune the direction
to
get the reciever to lock onto the satellite? Or do I need to pay someone
to
come and do it for me, which I am reluctant to do as I am more than
capable
to do it myself..

Many Thanks

Alistair


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Well what a response eh? Thank you all for your kind information. I shall
let you know how it went when I do it, wont be long now :eek:)

Many Thanks indeed

Alistair




"Robin" <news.at.@.at.bonathan.dot.com> wrote in message
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alistair

this is fairly easy to do.

put your receiver into the setup mode so you see the signal strenght bar.

have someone at the top of the ladder adjust the dish SLOWLY in the
vertical
& horizonal plan do a zig zag.
until you get the highest signal & quality possible.

it takes good co-ordination between the adjuster & the meter reader & a
good
bit of yelling or talking on intercom/walkie talkie but its not difficult.

alternatilvly arrange with the house seller NOT to take the sih down &
give
him your dish & lnb.

robin..
"Alistair" <alistair.echlin@btinternet.com> wrote in message
news:br9sq1$ncp$1@sparta.btinternet.com...
Hi there,

Senario:

I am moving house and I want to install my mini dish in the same
location
as
where the previous owner has his. I know the ball park direction to face
the
dish, all I would like to know is how does the alignment work? Can I
just
point it and obtain the localiser jargon and then fine tune the
direction
to
get the reciever to lock onto the satellite? Or do I need to pay someone
to
come and do it for me, which I am reluctant to do as I am more than
capable
to do it myself..

Many Thanks

Alistair


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In article <br9sq1$ncp$1@sparta.btinternet.com>,
alistair.echlin@btinternet.com mentioned...
Hi there,

Senario:

I am moving house and I want to install my mini dish in the same location as
where the previous owner has his. I know the ball park direction to face the
dish, all I would like to know is how does the alignment work? Can I just
point it and obtain the localiser jargon and then fine tune the direction to
get the reciever to lock onto the satellite? Or do I need to pay someone to
come and do it for me, which I am reluctant to do as I am more than capable
to do it myself..
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Capable? Able-bodied, but unable to, because of lack of knowledge.
That's not capable.

Many Thanks

Alistair

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In news:u4CdncmTs5Y0DkWi4p2dnA@buckeye-express.com,
Mark Jones typed:
Hi Alistair. I think these are "calibrated" using some form of signal
strength meter like a "carrier strength detector" tuned and connected
directly to the dish. The tech simply moves the dish to obtain the
largest signal strength, and voila. Sorry I don't have more accurate
info, someone correct me if wrong. :)
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Maybe (I dunno) there's a test point where you can simply measure the
AGC voltage, so you don't need a special meter.


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In news:brd0oo$d7m$1@titan.btinternet.com,
Costas Vlachos typed:
For what it's worth, when I had my Sky dish installed last year, the
technicians simply secured the dish on the wall and roughly aligned
it by hand (they looked at our neighbour's dish as a guide!). That
was it! Either they were really experienced (which I doubt based on
the other stuff they said and did), or dish alignment is easier than
I thought... Never done it, but I certainly wouldn't pay the ŁŁ they
ask for without trying myself first.
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Sometimes you get lucky. A few months ago I alligned a uwave dish
between two cell phone sites. It was at least 2 miles. My rough
allignment by eye landed on -30db, which was the maximum, so I didn't do
the fine adjustment.

But at least I could see the other building in the distance. Looking at
a parallel dish in the next yard would be rougher than that. In any
case they should have taken a measurement after they eyeballed it.


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Mark Jones typed:


Hi Alistair. I think these are "calibrated" using some form of signal
strength meter like a "carrier strength detector" tuned and connected
directly to the dish. The tech simply moves the dish to obtain the
largest signal strength, and voila. Sorry I don't have more accurate
info, someone correct me if wrong. :)

Maybe (I dunno) there's a test point where you can simply measure the
AGC voltage, so you don't need a special meter.
Click to expand...

For what it's worth, when I had my Sky dish installed last year, the
technicians simply secured the dish on the wall and roughly aligned it by
hand (they looked at our neighbour's dish as a guide!). That was it! Either
they were really experienced (which I doubt based on the other stuff they
said and did), or dish alignment is easier than I thought... Never done it,
but I certainly wouldn't pay the ŁŁ they ask for without trying myself
first.

Costas
 
On Thu, 11 Dec 2003 22:46:28 +0000 (UTC), news.at.
@.at.bonathan.dot.com said...
alistair

this is fairly easy to do.

put your receiver into the setup mode so you see the signal strenght bar.

have someone at the top of the ladder adjust the dish SLOWLY in the vertical
& horizonal plan do a zig zag.
Click to expand...
Never stand at the top of a ladder unless you know how to fall.
Even then, you shouldn't do it.

until you get the highest signal & quality possible.
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Highest signal is the best you can do with clear LOS. If quality
isn't there, something else is wrong.
it takes good co-ordination between the adjuster & the meter reader & a good
bit of yelling or talking on intercom/walkie talkie but its not difficult.
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Sounds like the 2 Stooges :)
alternatilvly arrange with the house seller NOT to take the sih down & give
him your dish & lnb.
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Now that's a damned good idea. And you know there's LOS to the
bird.

I don't know what that crap about adjusting the dish in a zig zag
pattern was all about, but it's total bs. I'll agree with the
SLOWLY part since the bar on the screen might not respond as fast
as a meter.

You get the elevation/azimuth numbers based on your location. RTFM.

You set the dish mount for the elevation. The compass/level
thingies are for site surveys. Any compass and means of measuring
elevation will do. You check for line of sight, i.e., sky, not
trees or other obstacles. Warning: if the thing's going to be aimed
close to parallel to the wall it will be mounted on, check that the
roof overhang isn't obstructing your LOS.

Lacking a partner, run a temp line outside to a tv so you can watch
your "meter" on the screen. An installer with a meter will hand
point the unmounted dish in the general direction of the satellite
and move it around, no "SLOWLY" involved, but not real fast either,
to see if there's a good signal, so do the same thing with the tv.
Then mount the dish and adjust the azimuth, which you should know
the approximate direction of from your LOS check.

OP has it easy. Set the elevation and turn the thing in the
direction he remembers seeing the previous owner's dish pointing.

Assuming the old holes had the mounting plate square/level and you
use the free holes, the elevation pre-set won't need tweaking. A
crooked mounting plate will also screw with dual LNB systems.

Mike
robin..
"Alistair" <alistair.echlin@btinternet.com> wrote in message
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Hi there,

Senario:

I am moving house and I want to install my mini dish in the same location
as
where the previous owner has his. I know the ball park direction to face
the
dish, all I would like to know is how does the alignment work? Can I just
point it and obtain the localiser jargon and then fine tune the direction
to
get the reciever to lock onto the satellite? Or do I need to pay someone
to
come and do it for me, which I am reluctant to do as I am more than
capable
to do it myself..

Many Thanks

Alistair


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On Thu, 11 Dec 2003 19:34:57 -0800, Watson A.Name - "Watt Sun, Dark
Remover" <alondra101@hotmail.com> said...
In article <br9sq1$ncp$1@sparta.btinternet.com>,
alistair.echlin@btinternet.com mentioned...
Hi there,

Senario:

I am moving house and I want to install my mini dish in the same location as
where the previous owner has his. I know the ball park direction to face the
dish, all I would like to know is how does the alignment work? Can I just
point it and obtain the localiser jargon and then fine tune the direction to
get the reciever to lock onto the satellite? Or do I need to pay someone to
come and do it for me, which I am reluctant to do as I am more than capable
to do it myself..

Capable? Able-bodied, but unable to, because of lack of knowledge.
That's not capable.
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Nyuk, nyuk, nyuk :) Feed a contractor, pay the $100 or UK equiv
thereof. Maybe they don't contract it out over there. When the
things took off in the US, Contractors were getting $100 and some
still do, but a lot of cut-throats moved in and cut that in half.
The biggest scam is to hire hourly dumbasses to do it cheap. The
dealers get full sales and install commission for getting the
contract signed.

Mike
Many Thanks

Alistair

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I've tried to do it, and trust me- it's a pig of a job!

'phone Sky, tell them you want to cancel your subscription and they'll put
you through to a salesperson who will do everything they can to get you to
keep giving them your money. Tell them that cable have offered you free
installation at your new property, and see if they'll do the same.

You may well get free installation!

Good luck!

Bones.



"Alistair" <alistair.echlin@btinternet.com> wrote in message
news:br9sq1$ncp$1@sparta.btinternet.com...
Hi there,

Senario:

I am moving house and I want to install my mini dish in the same location
as
where the previous owner has his. I know the ball park direction to face
the
dish, all I would like to know is how does the alignment work? Can I just
point it and obtain the localiser jargon and then fine tune the direction
to
get the reciever to lock onto the satellite? Or do I need to pay someone
to
come and do it for me, which I am reluctant to do as I am more than
capable
to do it myself..

Many Thanks

Alistair


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