Twisting Wire Woes!

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Rileyesi

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I need to make a bunch of lengths of multi-conductor cables with soldered wire
ends. To be specific, the cable is 3 conductor of 18 gage multi-strand wires.
I started with a spool of cable, chopped the 4 feet I needed, cut the outer
jacket back and stripped the individual conductors back. Now, I need to
solder/tin the exposed ends of the wires. This is a "hand" process and my
fingers are getting raw twisting the wire strands together before I tin them.

I have about 100 cables to do (i.e. 600 wires to twist!). Other than twisting
them in my fingers before soldering them, are there any alternatives?!? I
tried using gloves (both latex and cotton) and the "touch" just is not there.
The wire ends just frayed.

One last thing, I intend to use a solder pot to tin the wire ends. The wires
in the multistrand wires are silver in color. Do I need to dip them in flux
before dipping them into the solder pot??

Thanks.
 
"Rileyesi" <rileyesi@aol.com.gov> wrote in message
news:20040508004341.09204.00000096@mb-m17.aol.com...
I need to make a bunch of lengths of multi-conductor cables with soldered
wire
ends. To be specific, the cable is 3 conductor of 18 gage multi-strand
wires.
I started with a spool of cable, chopped the 4 feet I needed, cut the
outer
jacket back and stripped the individual conductors back. Now, I need to
solder/tin the exposed ends of the wires. This is a "hand" process and my
fingers are getting raw twisting the wire strands together before I tin
them.

I have about 100 cables to do (i.e. 600 wires to twist!). Other than
twisting
them in my fingers before soldering them, are there any alternatives?!? I
tried using gloves (both latex and cotton) and the "touch" just is not
there.
The wire ends just frayed.

One last thing, I intend to use a solder pot to tin the wire ends. The
wires
in the multistrand wires are silver in color. Do I need to dip them in
flux
before dipping them into the solder pot??

Thanks.
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Can't help with the fingers but IMHO it would be best to use just a tad of
flux, in another lifetime powdered rosin was available :). Another tip is
to dip the wire in the pot and withdraw it straight away then back in again
until you see the coating thus added start to flow. It seemed to me to give
a better result when I used that method.

--
Regards ........... Rheilly Phoull
 
If you use a wire stripper you can strip the outer casing back but don't
take it right off, leave it just on the end and solder the part of the wire
showing.

Then cut off the end, "voila" nice neat soldered ends.

Regards, Gordon.

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"Rileyesi" <rileyesi@aol.com.gov> wrote in message
news:20040508004341.09204.00000096@mb-m17.aol.com...
I need to make a bunch of lengths of multi-conductor cables with soldered
wire
ends. To be specific, the cable is 3 conductor of 18 gage multi-strand
wires.
I started with a spool of cable, chopped the 4 feet I needed, cut the
outer
jacket back and stripped the individual conductors back. Now, I need to
solder/tin the exposed ends of the wires. This is a "hand" process and my
fingers are getting raw twisting the wire strands together before I tin
them.

I have about 100 cables to do (i.e. 600 wires to twist!). Other than
twisting
them in my fingers before soldering them, are there any alternatives?!? I
tried using gloves (both latex and cotton) and the "touch" just is not
there.
The wire ends just frayed.

One last thing, I intend to use a solder pot to tin the wire ends. The
wires
in the multistrand wires are silver in color. Do I need to dip them in
flux
before dipping them into the solder pot??

Thanks.
Click to expand...
 
Subject: Twisting Wire Woes!
From: rileyesi@aol.com.gov (Rileyesi)
Date: 5/7/2004 11:43 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id: <20040508004341.09204.00000096@mb-m17.aol.com

I need to make a bunch of lengths of multi-conductor cables with soldered
wire
ends. To be specific, the cable is 3 conductor of 18 gage multi-strand
wires.
I started with a spool of cable, chopped the 4 feet I needed, cut the outer
jacket back and stripped the individual conductors back. Now, I need to
solder/tin the exposed ends of the wires. This is a "hand" process and my
fingers are getting raw twisting the wire strands together before I tin them.

I have about 100 cables to do (i.e. 600 wires to twist!). Other than
twisting
them in my fingers before soldering them, are there any alternatives?!? I
tried using gloves (both latex and cotton) and the "touch" just is not there.

The wire ends just frayed.

One last thing, I intend to use a solder pot to tin the wire ends. The wires
in the multistrand wires are silver in color. Do I need to dip them in flux
before dipping them into the solder pot??

Thanks.
Click to expand...
Hi. It looks like the second part of your question has been answered pretty
adequately. For the first part, when I had to twist up several wires of the
same length, I used a 1/4" variable speed hand drill. Clamp one end of the
wire bundle in a bench vise, chuck up the other end of the bundle in the hand
drill, and go for it (slowly!). Remember that the ends of the wire in the
drill chuck are going to be under a lot of stress, and you might get wire
breakage under the insulation there. I just cut off the last inch in the
chuck. A small price to pay for increased reliability. And don't go overboard
-- excessive twisting will torque out the wires. Since most wire has internal
splicing, you can cause separation of the spliced segments by
overstretching/overtorquing.

I hope you've gotten the answer in time to save you blisters.

Good luck
Chris
 
Rileyesi wrote:
I need to make a bunch of lengths of multi-conductor cables with soldered wire
ends. To be specific, the cable is 3 conductor of 18 gage multi-strand wires.
I started with a spool of cable, chopped the 4 feet I needed, cut the outer
jacket back and stripped the individual conductors back. Now, I need to
solder/tin the exposed ends of the wires. This is a "hand" process and my
fingers are getting raw twisting the wire strands together before I tin them.

I have about 100 cables to do (i.e. 600 wires to twist!). Other than twisting
them in my fingers before soldering them, are there any alternatives?!? I
tried using gloves (both latex and cotton) and the "touch" just is not there.
The wire ends just frayed.

One last thing, I intend to use a solder pot to tin the wire ends. The wires
in the multistrand wires are silver in color. Do I need to dip them in flux
before dipping them into the solder pot??

Thanks.
Click to expand...
It is much easier to twist long lengths of cable and then cut it into
shorter lengths. The problem with twisting wires ( or rope) is that
it just untwists if you try to just rotate the ends while holding the
other end still (as in a vise). The trick to this is to rotate the
ends while letting the twisted end rotate the other way, so that the
individual strands end up with no twist at all, but the strands are
wrapped around each other.

So you need a bearing that will anchor one end while letting it turn,
and a ganged crank to twist each of the far ends in synchronism. A
couple pieces of wood drilled to pass three cranks made of coat hanger
wire works pretty well. A spreader with a hole for each strand to
pass through is handy to set the tightness of the twist as you crank.
You start with the spreader near the bearing, and as the wire
accumulates twist, pull the spreader back slowly toward the cranks.

Here is a page that shows the idea of the ganged cranks:
http://www.northnet.org/ropeworks/text/r.html

I used a set like that to make some big trifilar toroidal chokes with
12 gauge stranded (THHN) wire.

--
John Popelish
 
"John Popelish" <jpopelish@rica.net> wrote in message
news:409EFDA5.C189671@rica.net...
Rileyesi wrote:

I need to make a bunch of lengths of multi-conductor cables with
soldered wire
ends. To be specific, the cable is 3 conductor of 18 gage multi-strand
wires.
I started with a spool of cable, chopped the 4 feet I needed, cut the
outer
jacket back and stripped the individual conductors back. Now, I need to
solder/tin the exposed ends of the wires. This is a "hand" process and
my
fingers are getting raw twisting the wire strands together before I tin
them.

I have about 100 cables to do (i.e. 600 wires to twist!). Other than
twisting
them in my fingers before soldering them, are there any alternatives?!?
I
tried using gloves (both latex and cotton) and the "touch" just is not
there.
The wire ends just frayed.

One last thing, I intend to use a solder pot to tin the wire ends. The
wires
in the multistrand wires are silver in color. Do I need to dip them in
flux
before dipping them into the solder pot??

Thanks.

It is much easier to twist long lengths of cable and then cut it into
shorter lengths. The problem with twisting wires ( or rope) is that
it just untwists if you try to just rotate the ends while holding the
other end still (as in a vise). The trick to this is to rotate the
ends while letting the twisted end rotate the other way, so that the
individual strands end up with no twist at all, but the strands are
wrapped around each other.

So you need a bearing that will anchor one end while letting it turn,
and a ganged crank to twist each of the far ends in synchronism. A
couple pieces of wood drilled to pass three cranks made of coat hanger
wire works pretty well. A spreader with a hole for each strand to
pass through is handy to set the tightness of the twist as you crank.
You start with the spreader near the bearing, and as the wire
accumulates twist, pull the spreader back slowly toward the cranks.

Here is a page that shows the idea of the ganged cranks:
http://www.northnet.org/ropeworks/text/r.html

I used a set like that to make some big trifilar toroidal chokes with
12 gauge stranded (THHN) wire.

--
John Popelish
Click to expand...
Unless I'm misreading the OPs request he is asking for recommendations
regarding twisting the exposed/stripped ends of the wire before dipping them
into the soldering pot. I don't believe he's looking to twist the length of
the conductors. They are probably already twisted inside the cable jacket?

Louis
 
Louis Bybee wrote:
"John Popelish" <jpopelish@rica.net> wrote in message
news:409EFDA5.C189671@rica.net...
Rileyesi wrote:

I need to make a bunch of lengths of multi-conductor cables with
soldered wire
ends. To be specific, the cable is 3 conductor of 18 gage multi-strand
wires.
I started with a spool of cable, chopped the 4 feet I needed, cut the
outer
jacket back and stripped the individual conductors back. Now, I need to
solder/tin the exposed ends of the wires. This is a "hand" process and
my
fingers are getting raw twisting the wire strands together before I tin
them.

I have about 100 cables to do (i.e. 600 wires to twist!). Other than
twisting
them in my fingers before soldering them, are there any alternatives?!?
I
tried using gloves (both latex and cotton) and the "touch" just is not
there.
The wire ends just frayed.

One last thing, I intend to use a solder pot to tin the wire ends. The
wires
in the multistrand wires are silver in color. Do I need to dip them in
flux
before dipping them into the solder pot??

Thanks.

It is much easier to twist long lengths of cable and then cut it into
shorter lengths. The problem with twisting wires ( or rope) is that
it just untwists if you try to just rotate the ends while holding the
other end still (as in a vise). The trick to this is to rotate the
ends while letting the twisted end rotate the other way, so that the
individual strands end up with no twist at all, but the strands are
wrapped around each other.

So you need a bearing that will anchor one end while letting it turn,
and a ganged crank to twist each of the far ends in synchronism. A
couple pieces of wood drilled to pass three cranks made of coat hanger
wire works pretty well. A spreader with a hole for each strand to
pass through is handy to set the tightness of the twist as you crank.
You start with the spreader near the bearing, and as the wire
accumulates twist, pull the spreader back slowly toward the cranks.

Here is a page that shows the idea of the ganged cranks:
http://www.northnet.org/ropeworks/text/r.html

I used a set like that to make some big trifilar toroidal chokes with
12 gauge stranded (THHN) wire.

Unless I'm misreading the OPs request he is asking for recommendations
regarding twisting the exposed/stripped ends of the wire before dipping them
into the soldering pot. I don't believe he's looking to twist the length of
the conductors. They are probably already twisted inside the cable jacket?
Click to expand...
Oops. Never mind.


--
John Popelish
 
John Popelish (jpopelish@rica.net) writes:
Louis Bybee wrote:

"John Popelish" <jpopelish@rica.net> wrote in message
news:409EFDA5.C189671@rica.net...
Rileyesi wrote:

I need to make a bunch of lengths of multi-conductor cables with
soldered wire
ends. To be specific, the cable is 3 conductor of 18 gage multi-strand
wires.
I started with a spool of cable, chopped the 4 feet I needed, cut the
outer
jacket back and stripped the individual conductors back. Now, I need to
solder/tin the exposed ends of the wires. This is a "hand" process and
my
fingers are getting raw twisting the wire strands together before I tin
them.

I have about 100 cables to do (i.e. 600 wires to twist!). Other than
twisting
them in my fingers before soldering them, are there any alternatives?!?
I
tried using gloves (both latex and cotton) and the "touch" just is not
there.
The wire ends just frayed.

One last thing, I intend to use a solder pot to tin the wire ends. The
wires
in the multistrand wires are silver in color. Do I need to dip them in
flux
before dipping them into the solder pot??

Thanks.

It is much easier to twist long lengths of cable and then cut it into
shorter lengths. The problem with twisting wires ( or rope) is that
it just untwists if you try to just rotate the ends while holding the
other end still (as in a vise). The trick to this is to rotate the
ends while letting the twisted end rotate the other way, so that the
individual strands end up with no twist at all, but the strands are
wrapped around each other.

So you need a bearing that will anchor one end while letting it turn,
and a ganged crank to twist each of the far ends in synchronism. A
couple pieces of wood drilled to pass three cranks made of coat hanger
wire works pretty well. A spreader with a hole for each strand to
pass through is handy to set the tightness of the twist as you crank.
You start with the spreader near the bearing, and as the wire
accumulates twist, pull the spreader back slowly toward the cranks.

Here is a page that shows the idea of the ganged cranks:
http://www.northnet.org/ropeworks/text/r.html

I used a set like that to make some big trifilar toroidal chokes with
12 gauge stranded (THHN) wire.

Unless I'm misreading the OPs request he is asking for recommendations
regarding twisting the exposed/stripped ends of the wire before dipping them
into the soldering pot. I don't believe he's looking to twist the length of
the conductors. They are probably already twisted inside the cable jacket?

Oops. Never mind.


You weren't the only one. I saw the subject header, and was about to
Click to expand...
suggest that he simply chuck his wires in a drill and let it run slowly.

Then I read more carefully, and realzie that wasn't at all what he wanted.

Michael
 
I have about 100 cables to do (i.e. 600 wires to twist!). Other
than
twisting
them in my fingers before soldering them, are there any
alternatives?!?
Click to expand...
It starts with the cutting; make sure your tool is sharp

More important still, the stripping method can mess up the nicest bundle
of wires.
I have a thermal stripper that is basically a v-shaped blade whose inside
edge gets hot... you insert the wire and work it against those edges and
pull the insulation off. THe wire stays nicely bundled.
Was made by Patco Service Inc in Baltimore - now seemingly defunct. They
used to advertise in Nuts and Volts Magazine.
YOu could probably make something like it using nichrome wire, a
transformer and resistor.
 
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