TV Flyback: finding HV return

[Dominic-Luc Webb]

I am after high voltage (for photomultiplier tubes) and considering
use of TV flyback transformers. I have a couple, including some
"known good" specimens that were extracted from working TVs.

I am able to find windings (2 sets, I suspect) on the base pins that
certainly must be 2 primary coils. Using an Ohm meter and checking both
polarities, I do not find a return for the high voltage output (red with
suction cup), or the two ouput wires coming from the side that I suspect
are somewhat lower HV (horizontal and vertical control, 10 kV ???).

Is there some nice trick to identify the HV return, or should I try to see
where I can generate a sparc from the remaining pins that are not primary
leads? Should this return be common to all three HV outputs? As I mention,
I want to power PMTs, so even 10 kV is escessive for my needs.



Dominic

 

[John Popelish]

Dominic-Luc Webb wrote:

I am after high voltage (for photomultiplier tubes) and considering
use of TV flyback transformers. I have a couple, including some
"known good" specimens that were extracted from working TVs.

I am able to find windings (2 sets, I suspect) on the base pins that
certainly must be 2 primary coils. Using an Ohm meter and checking both
polarities, I do not find a return for the high voltage output (red with
suction cup), or the two ouput wires coming from the side that I suspect
are somewhat lower HV (horizontal and vertical control, 10 kV ???).

Is there some nice trick to identify the HV return, or should I try to see
where I can generate a sparc from the remaining pins that are not primary
leads? Should this return be common to all three HV outputs? As I mention,
I want to power PMTs, so even 10 kV is escessive for my needs.

Dominic

If the suction cup lead is included in your resistance measurements,
then a high voltage rectifier (several silicon junctions in series)
are also included. Your ohm meter probably does not contain a high
enough voltage source to forward bias this string of diodes to
indicate approximate coil resistance. Add a couple 9 volt batteries
connected together in series and use the milliamp meter to find out
which low voltage winding is also connected to the high voltage output
(positive) lead. You will need to connect the negative side of the
battery to the the suction cup to forward bias the rectifier, since it
is designed to produce a positive output voltage (and block it from
going back into the coil).

Unfortunately for you, PMTs need a high negative voltage with respect
to the near ground output. So you will either have to find a flyback
that has a diode that can be reversed, or has the diode external to
the flyback transformer (rare these days).
--
John Popelish

 

[Dominic-Luc Webb]

On Sat, 15 Jan 2005, John Popelish wrote:

Dominic-Luc Webb wrote:

I am after high voltage (for photomultiplier tubes) and considering
use of TV flyback transformers. I have a couple, including some
"known good" specimens that were extracted from working TVs.

I am able to find windings (2 sets, I suspect) on the base pins that
certainly must be 2 primary coils. Using an Ohm meter and checking both
polarities, I do not find a return for the high voltage output (red with
suction cup), or the two ouput wires coming from the side that I suspect
are somewhat lower HV (horizontal and vertical control, 10 kV ???).

Is there some nice trick to identify the HV return, or should I try to see
where I can generate a sparc from the remaining pins that are not primary
leads? Should this return be common to all three HV outputs? As I mention,
I want to power PMTs, so even 10 kV is escessive for my needs.

Dominic

Unfortunately for you, PMTs need a high negative voltage with respect
to the near ground output. So you will either have to find a flyback
that has a diode that can be reversed, or has the diode external to
the flyback transformer (rare these days).
--
John Popelish

Hi John,

Thanks for the info and I will look into this. You are of course correct
about the negative voltage, especially when it comes to classic PMTs like
RCA 1P21, 931A and 931B used in astrophotometry. However, there are some
that use positive voltage. I never investigated these because they were
not quite right for the UVBRI measurement system commonly used in
astronomy. In the present case, I will indeed have to end up with negative
voltage.

For the moment, I am exploring the use of flybacks to generate the needed
voltage via my 555 timer circuit. For the moment, it is a learning
exercise to see how well if I can get good coupling, what frequency, etc.
I have access to quite old flybacks, so I suspect I can escape the diode
problem.

Dominic