trend of "ARM"... will this replace all other micro-controll

[Mylinux]

at the end of the day it will replace of 8051....whenever processor in
industrial controller area; these 80x what what are totally obsolete.


the "arm" will be installed with wireless 805.11g, USB storage, web-based
application to control relay , stepper motor, rocket...etc..


the home-based ( server side) will control the "arm" in remote area , remote
"mine sweeper" .... , robotic ....etc.


we need learn to "arm" and gcc in order to survive.

 

[Zonk]

Interesting thought. However, the one time I looked at ARM, they asked
us for a $1m license fee to use it in a custom IC. Goodbye ARM! Try
Renesas.com , they make the best low power high spec microcontrollers
(H8 and M16); ARM is probably better if you can afford it, but my line
of business would use under 50,000 units a year, so ARM is not cost
effective.

 

[Fred Abse]

On Sun, 19 Oct 2003 18:08:41 +0800, Mylinux wrote:

at the end of the day it will replace of 8051....whenever processor in
industrial controller area; these 80x what what are totally obsolete.


the "arm" will be installed with wireless 805.11g, USB storage, web-based
application to control relay , stepper motor, rocket...etc..


the home-based ( server side) will control the "arm" in remote area ,
remote "mine sweeper" .... , robotic ....etc.


we need learn to "arm" and gcc in order to survive.

WTF does all that mean?

--
Then there's duct tape ...
(Garrison Keillor)
nofr@sbhevre.pbzchyvax.pb.hx

 

[Chris Hills]

In article <bmtn62$i846@imsp212.netvigator.com>, Mylinux
<myLinux@My.com> writes

at the end of the day it will replace of 8051....whenever processor in
industrial controller area; these 80x what what are totally obsolete.

No so.... but then I have seen some road maps

the "arm" will be installed with wireless 805.11g, USB storage, web-based
application to control relay , stepper motor, rocket...etc..

Yes arm all over the place.

we need learn to "arm" and gcc in order to survive.

Arm yes... Gcc not entirely true.

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[The Mind Factory INC]

Sorry I must disagree 100%, I am on a project now and the whole thing
plastic enclosure, circuit board, LCD, and all componenets must cost $3 or
less, and it needs a MCU, should I too use an ARM?

Richard.

"Mylinux" <myLinux@My.com> wrote in message
news:bmtn62$i846@imsp212.netvigator.com...

at the end of the day it will replace of 8051....whenever processor in
industrial controller area; these 80x what what are totally obsolete.


the "arm" will be installed with wireless 805.11g, USB storage, web-based
application to control relay , stepper motor, rocket...etc..


the home-based ( server side) will control the "arm" in remote area ,
remote
"mine sweeper" .... , robotic ....etc.


we need learn to "arm" and gcc in order to survive.

 

[Pete Fenelon]

In comp.arch.embedded Mylinux <myLinux@my.com> wrote:

at the end of the day it will replace of 8051....whenever processor in
industrial controller area; these 80x what what are totally obsolete.


the "arm" will be installed with wireless 805.11g, USB storage, web-based
application to control relay , stepper motor, rocket...etc..

Crap, like everything else you post.

regards
pete
--
pete@fenelon.com "there's no room for enigmas in built-up areas" HMHB

 

[Jim Granville]

Mylinux wrote:

at the end of the day it will replace of 8051....whenever processor in
industrial controller area; these 80x what what are totally obsolete.

the "arm" will be installed with wireless 805.11g, USB storage, web-based
application to control relay , stepper motor, rocket...etc..

the home-based ( server side) will control the "arm" in remote area , remote
"mine sweeper" .... , robotic ....etc.

we need learn to "arm" and gcc in order to survive.

Not quite. The real impact of devices like the Philips LPC21xx will
be on the 16 bit space.

Key parameters are pin count, and price.

Smallest ARMs are 48 pins, and in the region of $5 - both
well above the average pincount/selling price of 8 bit devices.

The same process savings that move ARM down, also move
smaller devices down.
Right now, 80C51 are moving comfortably sub $1 in FLASH @ 8 pins,
and also adding high performance Analog. (but not for the $1

There is a trend for more capable cores to replace simpler cores
as process improves, but the 80C51 is not exposed much to ARM at
the top end, and is feeding on the simpler cores ( PIC et al)
at the sub $1 point. Thus 80C51 is growing.

Learn 80C51 _and_ ARM

-jg

 

[Mylinux]

Pete Fenelon <pete@fenelon.com> wrote in message
news:vp5pt1dd7qdaa9@corp.supernews.com...

In comp.arch.embedded Mylinux <myLinux@my.com> wrote:
at the end of the day it will replace of 8051....whenever processor in
industrial controller area; these 80x what what are totally obsolete.


the "arm" will be installed with wireless 805.11g, USB storage,
web-based
application to control relay , stepper motor, rocket...etc..



Crap, like everything else you post.

u mean "arm" is a crap?

regards
pete
--
pete@fenelon.com "there's no room for enigmas in built-up areas" HMHB

 

[Kelly Hall]

"Mylinux" <myLinux@My.com> wrote in message
news:bmtn62$i846@imsp212.netvigator.com...

at the end of the day it will replace of 8051....whenever processor in
industrial controller area; these 80x what what are totally obsolete.

Model T cars are totally obsolete. Flintlock rifles are totally obsolete.
Steam locomotives are totally obsolete. Millions (if not billions) of 8051
processors are sold every year. You might want to look up the meaning of
the word 'obsolete'.

the "arm" will be installed with wireless 805.11g, USB storage, web-based
application to control relay , stepper motor, rocket...etc..

Interesting idea - any facts or data to back up it up?

the home-based ( server side) will control the "arm" in remote area ,
remote
"mine sweeper" .... , robotic ....etc.

I sure wish there were small controller core modules built on the ARM that
compared favorably in price to other architectures. Until there are, ARM is
likely not going to make significant penetration into the industrial control
marketplace. It's great for cell phones, though.

Kelly

 

[Ian McBride]

we need learn to "arm" and gcc in order to survive.

Arm yes... Gcc not entirely true.

I say gcc yes.. arm not entirely true.

 

[Pete Fenelon]

In comp.arch.embedded Mylinux <myLinux@my.com> wrote:

Crap, like everything else you post.


u mean "arm" is a crap?

No, I mean your postings are.

pete
--
pete@fenelon.com "there's no room for enigmas in built-up areas" HMHB

 

[Earl Bollinger]

Arm will go the way of the DoDo bird in the next couple of years.
Actually, with the new smaller die sizes for the regular Intel type
processors, from Intel and Via,
ARM will go the way of the DoDo bird. The world will eventually switch to
the Intel chips running Linux and Windows.
Via's Mini-ITX and Nano-ITX and the new robotics board from Intel show the
what is happening now.
Everyone wants WiFi, and Bluetooth, a much bigger crop of programmers can
swtich to these chips without too much trouble, plus the
programming tools are a lot cheaper too.
In a few years you'll need wireless internet capability for even a simple
smart power switch at home. The security to keep hackers from screwing it
all up
will be what drives it all.




"Mylinux" <myLinux@My.com> wrote in message
news:bmtn62$i846@imsp212.netvigator.com...

at the end of the day it will replace of 8051....whenever processor in
industrial controller area; these 80x what what are totally obsolete.


the "arm" will be installed with wireless 805.11g, USB storage, web-based
application to control relay , stepper motor, rocket...etc..


the home-based ( server side) will control the "arm" in remote area ,
remote
"mine sweeper" .... , robotic ....etc.


we need learn to "arm" and gcc in order to survive.

 

[David L. Jones]

On Mon, 20 Oct 2003 06:47:33 -0500, "Earl Bollinger"
<earlwbollinger@comcast.net> wrote:

Arm will go the way of the DoDo bird in the next couple of years.
Actually, with the new smaller die sizes for the regular Intel type
processors, from Intel and Via,
ARM will go the way of the DoDo bird. The world will eventually switch to
the Intel chips running Linux and Windows.

Tell that to all the mobile phone and PDA manufactuers who are still
pouring squillions into their existing ARM platforms. Not surprising,
given that they shipped *hundres of millions* of ARM based processors
last year, and have something like 80% of the market or more.
You can get Linux for the ARM too...
ARM is an IP core that can be applied to all these new wizz-bang ultra
small die sizes to achieve lower power and faster speeds, that is why
it is so successful. It is also why virtually every major processor
maker is licensed up to use ARM cores. The only place it's going in
the next couple of years is up the growth curve.

Regards
Dave
---------------------------
(remove the "_" from my email address to reply)

 

[Dan Henry]

On Mon, 20 Oct 2003 00:18:42 GMT, "Kelly Hall" <hall@priest.com>
wrote:

the "arm" will be installed with wireless 805.11g, USB storage, web-based
application to control relay , stepper motor, rocket...etc..

Interesting idea - any facts or data to back up it up?

My' sounds like he/she is in Marketing. Those folks don't
need-no-steeenkin' facts ;-)

On the other hand, this could be an edict from the "big guy" above,
dictating "thou shalt" use ARMs everywhere.

--
Dan Henry

 

In article <7Xxkb.107$XO.50354@news20.bellglobal.com>, The Mind Factory
INC <rsloan2003@hotmail.com> writes

Sorry I must disagree 100%, I am on a project now and the whole thing
plastic enclosure, circuit board, LCD, and all componenets must cost $3 or
less, and it needs a MCU, should I too use an ARM?

Aha! An actual engineer amongst the opinionated students and other hoi
polloi! Sadly, actual experience counts for little as you are doubtless
too busy to write endless drivel here, whereas Those Who Know Without
Doing have all the time in the world. Strangely.

 

[Henry]

I cannot go with this. As someone wrote "the embedded market is very deep"
....
The only thing you can forecast for the future is that the future is not as
projected now.
Maybe in ten years Win will run on a desktop ARM in every household? Imagine
the power savings...
- Henry

Earl Bollinger schrieb in Nachricht ...

Arm will go the way of the DoDo bird in the next couple of years.
Actually, with the new smaller die sizes for the regular Intel type
processors, from Intel and Via,
ARM will go the way of the DoDo bird. The world will eventually switch to
the Intel chips running Linux and Windows.
Via's Mini-ITX and Nano-ITX and the new robotics board from Intel show the
what is happening now.
Everyone wants WiFi, and Bluetooth, a much bigger crop of programmers can
swtich to these chips without too much trouble, plus the
programming tools are a lot cheaper too.
In a few years you'll need wireless internet capability for even a simple
smart power switch at home. The security to keep hackers from screwing it
all up
will be what drives it all.




"Mylinux" <myLinux@My.com> wrote in message
news:bmtn62$i846@imsp212.netvigator.com...
at the end of the day it will replace of 8051....whenever processor in
industrial controller area; these 80x what what are totally obsolete.


the "arm" will be installed with wireless 805.11g, USB storage, web-based
application to control relay , stepper motor, rocket...etc..


the home-based ( server side) will control the "arm" in remote area ,
remote
"mine sweeper" .... , robotic ....etc.


we need learn to "arm" and gcc in order to survive.

 

[Chris Hills]

In article <UhJkb.4203$Uz6.1198@newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net>, Ian
McBride <ianmcbride2003@yahoo.com> writes

we need learn to "arm" and gcc in order to survive.

Arm yes... Gcc not entirely true.

I say gcc yes.. arm not entirely true.

Arm is getting very widely used in most areas of embedded work.

gcc is not up to the mark in many areas of embedded work when compared
with the top end commercial compilers.

Yes, I have used gcc and spend years working with Unix as well also much
smaller targets. I also know some compiler writers and GCC maintainers.
Gcc is not bad but it is not that good either.


/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\
\/\/\/\/\ Chris Hills Staffs England /\/\/\/\/\
/\/\/ chris@phaedsys.org www.phaedsys.org \/\/
\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/

 

[Chris Hills]

In article <ie6dnY4AfNnJVg6iRVn-vw@comcast.com>, Earl Bollinger
<earlwbollinger@comcast.net> writes

Arm will go the way of the DoDo bird in the next couple of years.
Actually, with the new smaller die sizes for the regular Intel type
processors, from Intel and Via,
ARM will go the way of the DoDo bird. The world will eventually switch to
the Intel chips running Linux and Windows.
Via's Mini-ITX and Nano-ITX and the new robotics board from Intel show the
what is happening now.
Everyone wants WiFi, and Bluetooth, a much bigger crop of programmers can
swtich to these chips without too much trouble, plus the
programming tools are a lot cheaper too.
In a few years you'll need wireless internet capability for even a simple
smart power switch at home. The security to keep hackers from screwing it
all up
will be what drives it all.

Your in the wrong NG this one is for engineers. Marketing and story
telling have their own NG's


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\/\/\/\/\ Chris Hills Staffs England /\/\/\/\/\
/\/\/ chris@phaedsys.org www.phaedsys.org \/\/
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[Robert Kaiser]

In article <61UAw2ACJok$EwAT@furfur.demon.co.uk>,
Zonk <Zonk@nospam.nospam.nospam.nospam.co.fr> writes:

Interesting thought. However, the one time I looked at ARM, they asked
us for a $1m license fee to use it in a custom IC. Goodbye ARM! Try
Renesas.com , they make the best low power high spec microcontrollers
(H8 and M16); ARM is probably better if you can afford it, but my line
of business would use under 50,000 units a year, so ARM is not cost
effective.

Have you looked at Hyperstone? It looks interesting and I understand that
their license fee is considerably lower. Nevertheless, the processor seems
to be widely unknown, even to experienced insiders in this business.

Rob

 

[Alex Gibson]

"Chris Hills" <chris@phaedsys.org> wrote in message news:S4z2N+AamNl$EAMd@phaedsys.demon.co.uk...

In article <UhJkb.4203$Uz6.1198@newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net>, Ian
McBride <ianmcbride2003@yahoo.com> writes
we need learn to "arm" and gcc in order to survive.

Arm yes... Gcc not entirely true.

I say gcc yes.. arm not entirely true.

Arm is getting very widely used in most areas of embedded work.

gcc is not up to the mark in many areas of embedded work when compared
with the top end commercial compilers.

Yes, I have used gcc and spend years working with Unix as well also much
smaller targets. I also know some compiler writers and GCC maintainers.
Gcc is not bad but it is not that good either.

Depends if you can afford the commerical compilers.
Or if your boss / company is willing to buy commerical compilers.

Not all of us work for defense or other large companies.

Alex