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Grange
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I was told by an auto-electrician that a transistor in my car immboliser has
died. Is it possible for transistors to die? Why do they die?
died. Is it possible for transistors to die? Why do they die?
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Rheilly Phoull
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On 12/20/2011 4:06 PM, Grange wrote:
Rheilly
little fellas just suffocate.I was told by an auto-electrician that a transistor in my car immboliser has
died. Is it possible for transistors to die? Why do they die?
Basically fluff and dust clog the vents in their enclosure and the poor
Rheilly
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Dennis
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"Rheilly Phoull" <rheilly@bigslong.com> wrote in message
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Any idea what happens to them after they die?
Someone told me they come back as diodes.
news:jc-dnXNIlaFnyG3TnZ2dnUVZ_rydnZ2d@westnet.com.au...
On 12/20/2011 4:06 PM, Grange wrote:
I was told by an auto-electrician that a transistor in my car immboliser
has
died. Is it possible for transistors to die? Why do they die?
Basically fluff and dust clog the vents in their enclosure and the poor
little fellas just suffocate.
Rheilly
Any idea what happens to them after they die?
Someone told me they come back as diodes.
I
Ian Field
Guest
"Grange" <grange@grange.zzz> wrote in message
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a transistor, some types are vulnerable to static discharge.
With automotive equipment you have to consider vibration, corrosion or
ingress of road grime making connectors unreliable.
Its unusual for auto electricians to delve into component level fault
finding, they more often check connectors and other obvious things - then
swap out the unit.
More than likely the bloke told you; "a transistor died" because it sounds
like he knows what he's on about.
news:jcpfm8$jqi$1@speranza.aioe.org...
Obviously a figure of speech - usually excess voltage or current can damageI was told by an auto-electrician that a transistor in my car immboliser
has died. Is it possible for transistors to die? Why do they die?
a transistor, some types are vulnerable to static discharge.
With automotive equipment you have to consider vibration, corrosion or
ingress of road grime making connectors unreliable.
Its unusual for auto electricians to delve into component level fault
finding, they more often check connectors and other obvious things - then
swap out the unit.
More than likely the bloke told you; "a transistor died" because it sounds
like he knows what he's on about.
R
Rheilly Phoull
Guest
On 12/20/2011 8:30 PM, Dennis wrote:
Rheilly
have never seen it myself."Rheilly Phoull"<rheilly@bigslong.com> wrote in message
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On 12/20/2011 4:06 PM, Grange wrote:
I was told by an auto-electrician that a transistor in my car immboliser
has
died. Is it possible for transistors to die? Why do they die?
Basically fluff and dust clog the vents in their enclosure and the poor
little fellas just suffocate.
Rheilly
Any idea what happens to them after they die?
Someone told me they come back as diodes.
I've heard that in an "Immboliser" sometimes they get "Immbolised" but
Rheilly
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Sylvia Else
Guest
On 20/12/2011 7:06 PM, Grange wrote:
Your obvious response though is to ask the auto-electrician to replace
the transistor. Be interesting to hear his excuse for not doing so.
Sylvia.
Ian has probably identified the true source of the comment.I was told by an auto-electrician that a transistor in my car immboliser has
died. Is it possible for transistors to die? Why do they die?
Your obvious response though is to ask the auto-electrician to replace
the transistor. Be interesting to hear his excuse for not doing so.
Sylvia.
I
Ian Field
Guest
"Sylvia Else" <sylvia@not.here.invalid> wrote in message
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For all I know he could be right about a transistor died, but automotive
electronic modules are more often than not potted so component level repair
is impossible, and they're notoriously expensive to replace.
Could be interesting when the bill is presented for; 'that transistor'.
news:9mk453F7b7U1@mid.individual.net...
On 20/12/2011 7:06 PM, Grange wrote:
I was told by an auto-electrician that a transistor in my car immboliser
has
died. Is it possible for transistors to die? Why do they die?
Ian has probably identified the true source of the comment.
Your obvious response though is to ask the auto-electrician to replace the
transistor. Be interesting to hear his excuse for not doing so.
Sylvia.
For all I know he could be right about a transistor died, but automotive
electronic modules are more often than not potted so component level repair
is impossible, and they're notoriously expensive to replace.
Could be interesting when the bill is presented for; 'that transistor'.
T
TonyS
Guest
On 1/5/2012 11:52 PM, Ian Field wrote:
Easy to access the pcb after all the cable ties are cut, and if you are
a contortionist artist.
It could have been a transistor, but it wasn't.
It was only the solder joints of the relays on the pcb.
Vibration and temperature changes have made them brittle.
If I hadn't taken some time to locate the fault, the repair job would
have been a 30 minute one.
Re-soldering took only minute.
I posted a heads up on this group at the time.
Tony
My immobiliser died some years ago."Sylvia Else"<sylvia@not.here.invalid> wrote in message
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On 20/12/2011 7:06 PM, Grange wrote:
I was told by an auto-electrician that a transistor in my car immboliser
has
died. Is it possible for transistors to die? Why do they die?
Ian has probably identified the true source of the comment.
Your obvious response though is to ask the auto-electrician to replace the
transistor. Be interesting to hear his excuse for not doing so.
Sylvia.
For all I know he could be right about a transistor died, but automotive
electronic modules are more often than not potted so component level repair
is impossible, and they're notoriously expensive to replace.
Could be interesting when the bill is presented for; 'that transistor'.
Easy to access the pcb after all the cable ties are cut, and if you are
a contortionist artist.
It could have been a transistor, but it wasn't.
It was only the solder joints of the relays on the pcb.
Vibration and temperature changes have made them brittle.
If I hadn't taken some time to locate the fault, the repair job would
have been a 30 minute one.
Re-soldering took only minute.
I posted a heads up on this group at the time.
Tony
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Sylvia Else
Guest
On 6/01/2012 2:52 AM, Ian Field wrote:
parts be "reasonably available for a reasonable period", one would have
a case against the manufacturer or importer where the price is excessive.
Mind you, I suspect that no precedents ever get set - anyone who starts
down that path will likely get the part at a reasonable price.
Sylvia.
Given the legal (The Australia Consumer Law) requirement that spare"Sylvia Else"<sylvia@not.here.invalid> wrote in message
news:9mk453F7b7U1@mid.individual.net...
On 20/12/2011 7:06 PM, Grange wrote:
I was told by an auto-electrician that a transistor in my car immboliser
has
died. Is it possible for transistors to die? Why do they die?
Ian has probably identified the true source of the comment.
Your obvious response though is to ask the auto-electrician to replace the
transistor. Be interesting to hear his excuse for not doing so.
Sylvia.
For all I know he could be right about a transistor died, but automotive
electronic modules are more often than not potted so component level repair
is impossible, and they're notoriously expensive to replace.
parts be "reasonably available for a reasonable period", one would have
a case against the manufacturer or importer where the price is excessive.
Mind you, I suspect that no precedents ever get set - anyone who starts
down that path will likely get the part at a reasonable price.
Sylvia.
Y
yaputya
Guest
"Sylvia Else" <sylvia@not.here.invalid> wrote in message news:9mn0hvFeevU1@mid.individual.net...
If you are dealing with Aldi etc. you can just take the faulty thing back and they
will refund the purchase price (only within a month or so, unless covered by a manufacturers warranty?).
Would you please provide a link to the specific section of the 'The Australia Consumer Law' that you refer to.On 6/01/2012 2:52 AM, Ian Field wrote:
"Sylvia Else"<sylvia@not.here.invalid> wrote in message
news:9mk453F7b7U1@mid.individual.net...
On 20/12/2011 7:06 PM, Grange wrote:
I was told by an auto-electrician that a transistor in my car immboliser
has
died. Is it possible for transistors to die? Why do they die?
Ian has probably identified the true source of the comment.
Your obvious response though is to ask the auto-electrician to replace the
transistor. Be interesting to hear his excuse for not doing so.
Sylvia.
For all I know he could be right about a transistor died, but automotive
electronic modules are more often than not potted so component level repair
is impossible, and they're notoriously expensive to replace.
Given the legal (The Australia Consumer Law) requirement that spare parts be "reasonably available for a reasonable period", one
would have a case against the manufacturer or importer where the price is excessive.
If you are dealing with Aldi etc. you can just take the faulty thing back and they
will refund the purchase price (only within a month or so, unless covered by a manufacturers warranty?).
Mind you, I suspect that no precedents ever get set - anyone who starts down that path will likely get the part at a reasonable
price.
Sylvia.
K
kreed
Guest
On Jan 6, 11:19 am, Sylvia Else <syl...@not.here.invalid> wrote:
Yes, as long as they are silent about it ? - the manufacturer does not
want bad publicity from a court case, or a precedent set, and probably
will do a deal just to make it go away. (99% would just pay and not
argue) Would this be done by the person in a "small claims" type
court or on your behalf by consumer affairs ?
On 6/01/2012 2:52 AM, Ian Field wrote:
"Sylvia Else"<syl...@not.here.invalid> wrote in message
news:9mk453F7b7U1@mid.individual.net...
On 20/12/2011 7:06 PM, Grange wrote:
I was told by an auto-electrician that a transistor in my car immboliser
has
died. Is it possible for transistors to die? Why do they die?
Ian has probably identified the true source of the comment.
Your obvious response though is to ask the auto-electrician to replace the
transistor. Be interesting to hear his excuse for not doing so.
Sylvia.
For all I know he could be right about a transistor died, but automotive
electronic modules are more often than not potted so component level repair
is impossible, and they're notoriously expensive to replace.
Given the legal (The Australia Consumer Law) requirement that spare
parts be "reasonably available for a reasonable period", one would have
a case against the manufacturer or importer where the price is excessive.
Mind you, I suspect that no precedents ever get set - anyone who starts
down that path will likely get the part at a reasonable price.
Sylvia.
Yes, as long as they are silent about it ? - the manufacturer does not
want bad publicity from a court case, or a precedent set, and probably
will do a deal just to make it go away. (99% would just pay and not
argue) Would this be done by the person in a "small claims" type
court or on your behalf by consumer affairs ?
S
Sylvia Else
Guest
On 7/01/2012 9:54 AM, yaputya wrote:
separate matter. But long after any right to return the goods would have
expired, the company has to make spare parts available, so that the
consumer is not faced with discarding goods just because they have
developed a fault.
http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/cth/consol_act/caca2010265/sch2.html
Unfortunately, Austlii has problems with schedules, and cannot provide
links to individual sections.
-------
58 Guarantee as to repairs and spare parts
(1) If:
(a) a person supplies, in trade or commerce, goods to a
consumer; and
(b) the supply does not occur by way of sale by auction;
there is a guarantee that the manufacturer of the goods will take
reasonable action to ensure that facilities for the repair of the goods,
and parts for the goods, are reasonably available for a reasonable
period after the goods are supplied.
-------
Now, there is a possible ambiguity as to what "reasonably available"
means, but I think a court would find that a spare part that was
unreasonably priced, by reference to the cost to the company of making
it available, then the part would not be "reasonable available".
Sylvia.
The right to return faulty goods, within a reasonable time, is aWould you please provide a link to the specific section of the 'The Australia Consumer Law' that you refer to.
If you are dealing with Aldi etc. you can just take the faulty thing back and they
will refund the purchase price (only within a month or so, unless covered by a manufacturers warranty?).
Mind you, I suspect that no precedents ever get set - anyone who starts down that path will likely get the part at a reasonable
price.
Sylvia.
separate matter. But long after any right to return the goods would have
expired, the company has to make spare parts available, so that the
consumer is not faced with discarding goods just because they have
developed a fault.
http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/cth/consol_act/caca2010265/sch2.html
Unfortunately, Austlii has problems with schedules, and cannot provide
links to individual sections.
-------
58 Guarantee as to repairs and spare parts
(1) If:
(a) a person supplies, in trade or commerce, goods to a
consumer; and
(b) the supply does not occur by way of sale by auction;
there is a guarantee that the manufacturer of the goods will take
reasonable action to ensure that facilities for the repair of the goods,
and parts for the goods, are reasonably available for a reasonable
period after the goods are supplied.
-------
Now, there is a possible ambiguity as to what "reasonably available"
means, but I think a court would find that a spare part that was
unreasonably priced, by reference to the cost to the company of making
it available, then the part would not be "reasonable available".
Sylvia.
S
Sylvia Else
Guest
On 7/01/2012 10:24 AM, kreed wrote:
form and paying a modest filing fee (typically a few tens of dollars).
If the company is really trying to gouge consumers on spare part prices,
the matter would probably not even reach a hearing.
Consumer affairs would be unlikely to have the resources to chase such
things up, being more concerned (and rightly so, IHMO) with products
that endanger lives.
Sylvia.
Most likely via the small claims route. Just a matter of filling in aOn Jan 6, 11:19 am, Sylvia Else<syl...@not.here.invalid> wrote:
On 6/01/2012 2:52 AM, Ian Field wrote:
"Sylvia Else"<syl...@not.here.invalid> wrote in message
news:9mk453F7b7U1@mid.individual.net...
On 20/12/2011 7:06 PM, Grange wrote:
I was told by an auto-electrician that a transistor in my car immboliser
has
died. Is it possible for transistors to die? Why do they die?
Ian has probably identified the true source of the comment.
Your obvious response though is to ask the auto-electrician to replace the
transistor. Be interesting to hear his excuse for not doing so.
Sylvia.
For all I know he could be right about a transistor died, but automotive
electronic modules are more often than not potted so component level repair
is impossible, and they're notoriously expensive to replace.
Given the legal (The Australia Consumer Law) requirement that spare
parts be "reasonably available for a reasonable period", one would have
a case against the manufacturer or importer where the price is excessive.
Mind you, I suspect that no precedents ever get set - anyone who starts
down that path will likely get the part at a reasonable price.
Sylvia.
Yes, as long as they are silent about it ?- the manufacturer does not
want bad publicity from a court case, or a precedent set, and probably
will do a deal just to make it go away. (99% would just pay and not
argue) Would this be done by the person in a "small claims" type
court or on your behalf by consumer affairs ?
form and paying a modest filing fee (typically a few tens of dollars).
If the company is really trying to gouge consumers on spare part prices,
the matter would probably not even reach a hearing.
Consumer affairs would be unlikely to have the resources to chase such
things up, being more concerned (and rightly so, IHMO) with products
that endanger lives.
Sylvia.
G
Grange
Guest
"Sylvia Else" <sylvia@not.here.invalid> wrote in message
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indicator lights which had been staying on incorrectly. Problem solved but
functionality now reduced.
news:9mk453F7b7U1@mid.individual.net...
Not an option now. The guy snipped the wires presumably going to theOn 20/12/2011 7:06 PM, Grange wrote:
I was told by an auto-electrician that a transistor in my car immboliser
has
died. Is it possible for transistors to die? Why do they die?
Ian has probably identified the true source of the comment.
Your obvious response though is to ask the auto-electrician to replace the
transistor. Be interesting to hear his excuse for not doing so.
indicator lights which had been staying on incorrectly. Problem solved but
functionality now reduced.