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i am building a motorhome that will have lights controlled by remote
controll, this needs a slave module that's usually just a relay board, that
takes the inputs from the remote reciever, and uses the relays to turn the
loads on or off as needed,

that's fine in a home situation when mains power is available, but i'm
building the van to get maximum run time from the batteries, so having upto
16 relays who's coils pull about 180 milliamps each is not good for power
economy.

The lamps i'll be switching will be LED clusters and CCFL tubes, so the led
clusters pull about 50 milliamps max, and the ccfl tubes inverters about 700
milliamps.

surely it's easy to use a transistor or 2 to turn these loads on and off,
and thus save a lot of unnecessary power running the switches.

it there a single transistor that can be wired and used like a relay? i.e a
input signal of 12 volts, through the transistor to earth, switches the load
through the other 2 pins to turn the load on or off,

or do i need to build a circuit with a couple of trannies? if so what do i
need to do,

i've found a circuit that uses a bipolar npn transistor to turn a relay's
coil on and off, presenting a 0.005 amp load to the switch that's turning
the relay on, but to do this the transistor switches the coil to earth, this
would mean the lights need power to them all the time.. even tho the circuit
is broken untill the transistor turns it on, i dont want that,

i need to be able to switch the positive supply to the lights, how can i do
this easily with a transistor?
 
On Sat, 24 Jan 2004 18:00:03 +0000 (UTC), "CampinGazz" <Nosp@m.ta>
wrote:

i am building a motorhome that will have lights controlled by remote
controll, this needs a slave module that's usually just a relay board, that
takes the inputs from the remote reciever, and uses the relays to turn the
loads on or off as needed,

that's fine in a home situation when mains power is available, but i'm
building the van to get maximum run time from the batteries, so having upto
16 relays who's coils pull about 180 milliamps each is not good for power
economy.

The lamps i'll be switching will be LED clusters and CCFL tubes, so the led
clusters pull about 50 milliamps max, and the ccfl tubes inverters about 700
milliamps.

surely it's easy to use a transistor or 2 to turn these loads on and off,
and thus save a lot of unnecessary power running the switches.

it there a single transistor that can be wired and used like a relay? i.e a
input signal of 12 volts, through the transistor to earth, switches the load
through the other 2 pins to turn the load on or off,

or do i need to build a circuit with a couple of trannies? if so what do i
need to do,

i've found a circuit that uses a bipolar npn transistor to turn a relay's
coil on and off, presenting a 0.005 amp load to the switch that's turning
the relay on, but to do this the transistor switches the coil to earth, this
would mean the lights need power to them all the time.. even tho the circuit
is broken untill the transistor turns it on, i dont want that,

i need to be able to switch the positive supply to the lights, how can i do
this easily with a transistor?
Not a transistor... Sounds like you need to use an SCR (Silicon
Controlled Rectifier) for the switch. Much easier.

It's a 3-lead semiconductor switching device (Anode/Cathode/Gate) that
conducts when it's gate is pulsed (say via the remote control) and
conducts until the main circuit is interrupted. DO a websearch for
specs and applications notes. (I'm rusty on SCR design, so can't be
of much more help)
 
On Sat, 24 Jan 2004 18:00:03 +0000, CampinGazz wrote:

<snip>
it there a single transistor that can be wired and used like a relay? i.e
a input signal of 12 volts, through the transistor to earth, switches the
load through the other 2 pins to turn the load on or off,

or do i need to build a circuit with a couple of trannies? if so what do i
need to do,

snip

A simple relay is the easiest!

Alternatively, use a PNP transistor to switch the load from the positive
rail. This would be switched on by a small NPN transistor with a resistor
from the base of the output transistor to its collector (like an add-on to
your existing circuit).

--
Mick
http://www.nascom.info for Nascom & Gemini information
Also at http://www.mixtel.co.uk where the collection started.
Currently deserting M$ for linux... :)
 
"CampinGazz" <Nosp@m.ta> wrote in message
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i am building a motorhome that will have lights controlled by remote
controll, this needs a slave module that's usually just a relay board,
that
takes the inputs from the remote reciever, and uses the relays to turn
the
loads on or off as needed,

that's fine in a home situation when mains power is available, but i'm
building the van to get maximum run time from the batteries, so having
upto
16 relays who's coils pull about 180 milliamps each is not good for
power
economy.

The lamps i'll be switching will be LED clusters and CCFL tubes, so
the led
clusters pull about 50 milliamps max, and the ccfl tubes inverters
about 700
milliamps.

surely it's easy to use a transistor or 2 to turn these loads on and
off,
and thus save a lot of unnecessary power running the switches.

it there a single transistor that can be wired and used like a relay?
i.e a
input signal of 12 volts, through the transistor to earth, switches
the load
through the other 2 pins to turn the load on or off,

or do i need to build a circuit with a couple of trannies? if so what
do i
need to do,

i've found a circuit that uses a bipolar npn transistor to turn a
relay's
coil on and off, presenting a 0.005 amp load to the switch that's
turning
the relay on, but to do this the transistor switches the coil to
earth, this
would mean the lights need power to them all the time.. even tho the
circuit
is broken untill the transistor turns it on, i dont want that,

i need to be able to switch the positive supply to the lights, how can
i do
this easily with a transistor?

Do it with a Thyristor, (used to be called Silicon Controlled Rectifier,
SCR for short). They can switch and conduct several amps, depending on
the rating:


+---------------------+------+ S1 +---------------> 0V
| |
# |
# |
# 4.7K |
# |
# |
| 1K |
+-----#####------- |
| \ |
| \ |
+ X G \ | K
-----
^ A
+ Y |
| |
| |
+---------------------+--------(><)--------------> 9V

KEY:

S1 ON/OFF
G=Gate
K=Cathode
A=Anode
(><)=Lamp

1. Power on cicuit with S1; Lamp is off
2. Touch X and Y momentarily and Lamp will light
3. Lamp stays lit even without X and Y connected.
4. Lamp can only be turned off with S1

The thyristor is just like two diodes in series, with the Gate connected
to the central P layer. Although it is forward biased when the power is
applied, it does not conduct until the Gate is activated with a positive
voltage.

I believe that the thyristor uses negligible energy both when switched
off or on.

NB the heatsink is usually connected to the Anode.

HTH

Mr Nobby
 

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