TOM GOOTEE

[p-gyula@freemail.hu]

Tom Gootee 1795 Schuetter Rd Jasper, IN 47546-9586 Phone:
(812)-482-7663 Fax or voicemail Tom Gootee at 1-812-482-7650, email
tomg@fullnet.com runs a mail fraud business. Please don't do any
business with him, or don't give or send money to him. I sent him $662
with Western Union for a test equipment he advertises on his web site.
I never received the test equipment he agreed to send me, and I'm
unable to reach him on any of his phone numbers, and he isn't
answering to my emails. For more information you welcome to contact me

 

[Robert Baer]

p-gyula@freemail.hu wrote:

Tom Gootee 1795 Schuetter Rd Jasper, IN 47546-9586 Phone:
(812)-482-7663 Fax or voicemail Tom Gootee at 1-812-482-7650, email
tomg@fullnet.com runs a mail fraud business. Please don't do any
business with him, or don't give or send money to him. I sent him $662
with Western Union for a test equipment he advertises on his web site.
I never received the test equipment he agreed to send me, and I'm
unable to reach him on any of his phone numbers, and he isn't
answering to my emails. For more information you welcome to contact me

If he is in a different state than you are, it would seem that he is

guilty of wire fraud and mail fraud; both are Federal offenses.
You, at minimum, can sue him in small claims court.

 

[L.]

"Robert Baer" <robertbaer@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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p-gyula@freemail.hu wrote:
Tom Gootee 1795 Schuetter Rd Jasper, IN 47546-9586 Phone:
(812)-482-7663 Fax or voicemail Tom Gootee at 1-812-482-7650, email
tomg@fullnet.com runs a mail fraud business. Please don't do any
business with him, or don't give or send money to him. I sent him $662
with Western Union for a test equipment he advertises on his web site.
I never received the test equipment he agreed to send me, and I'm
unable to reach him on any of his phone numbers, and he isn't
answering to my emails. For more information you welcome to contact me

If he is in a different state than you are, it would seem that he is
guilty of wire fraud and mail fraud; both are Federal offenses.
You, at minimum, can sue him in small claims court.

Contact your local Police Department to seek their assistance. They "should"
be able to file the report and get in touch with the Police in his area.
Suing in small claims court is an option BUT - if he says he doesn't have
the money to pay back, all you can get is a judgement against any property
which STILL won't "guarantee" any money coming back. You're a victim of
crime and rarely are victims rightfully compensated.
You could also call your state Attorney General's office to seek their
advice. IF HE IS IN LEGITIMATE business, contact the State Attorney General
in HIS state. You can look up most States governments online with links to
all major offices - Attorney Generals being one of them. There is a form to
fill in to e-mail to them. It "may" take some time, so be patient. I've done
this myself, it took like 3 weeks to get a reply which came back not by
E-Mail, but by regular mail.

L.

 

[L.]

"L." <nospam@tnospam.com> wrote in message
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Contact your local Police Department to seek their assistance. They
"should" be able to file the report and get in touch with the Police in
his area. Suing in small claims court is an option BUT - if he says he
doesn't have the money to pay back, all you can get is a judgement against
any property which STILL won't "guarantee" any money coming back. You're a
victim of crime and rarely are victims rightfully compensated.
You could also call your state Attorney General's office to seek their
advice. IF HE IS IN LEGITIMATE business, contact the State Attorney
General in HIS state. You can look up most States governments online with
links to all major offices - Attorney Generals being one of them. There is
a form to fill in to e-mail to them. It "may" take some time, so be
patient. I've done this myself, it took like 3 weeks to get a reply which
came back not by E-Mail, but by regular mail.

L.

An addendum to the above............ all are based on details given. It was
not my intention to jump to the conclusion of the party mentioned being
automatically guilty - by stating the OP was a victim of a crime. "IF" the
details given ARE true, then he would be a victim. The party mentioned -
alleged to have taken the money is innocent til proven guilty. While we tend
to lend support to those "appearing" victimized, we tend to jump to
conclusions of those doing wrong. Maybe there is a legitimate reason and he
can't get back to you for some reason. IT "is" possible. Still, since all
attempts at contact have went unanswered, the avenues mentioned, are best
incorporated. The police in his jurisdiction can let you know the story or
maybe get him to reply.

My apologies for "assuming" the alleged party guilty by the statements made
without verifiable proof.

Hopefully, this case will work out in the best interest for both parties and
no one guilty of anything other than slow response.

L.

 

[L.]

"L." <nospam@tnospam.com> wrote in message
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My memory seems to be playing tricks on me, I recall his name well. Wasn't
this guy a major contributor to this or ""some" groups at one time? Wasn't
he - shall we say - in the "positive" light at some time? I understand when
you don't get an item paid for, we all want to jump and say RIPPED OFF.
But - on occasion, there has been valid reasons and with some effort,
usually taken care of in quick order once the problem found out.

Maybe the dude is in bad health and has no one to cover for him. I've seen
cases in other groups too where cash has been sent for items and a long time
passed - nothing received and like the OP here, raised a question about the
transaction. It came across where the dude involved was generally a good guy
and never did that before - they found something was wrong. So, there
"could" be extenuating circumstances. Still, the police can check in to it
and let you know.

I can tell you, with the business I run on the side - if someone sent me a
payment for an item and I were to end up in a hospital for a while, I know I
would "try" to get the item shipped out but I couldn't guarantee it. I do
have one person I could trust to take care of my affairs, but they live 40
miles away and it would be some time before they could probably do it. The
two people closest to me, don't have a clue about my business.
BUT - see, we all live like there is never anything going to happen - so,
naturally - we don't plan for events such as that.

If the guy is "really" ripping you off, that is one thing - but check into
it first........... You've got your options laid out. Good luck.

L.

 

[JeffM]

L. wrote:

Wasn't this guy a major contributor to this or ""some" groups
at one time?

"Major" might be a stretch, but is is a Usenet user.

I understand when you don't get an item paid for,
we all want to jump and say RIPPED OFF.
But - on occasion, there has been valid reasons
and with some effort,

Tom Gootee often treats his business like a hobby.

so the "effort" part is often lacking on his part.

usually taken care of in quick order once the problem found out.

If you have patience, it is possible to get some usable stuff from him.

If you are in a hurry, look for another vendor.

Maybe the dude is in bad health and has no one to cover for him.

The first part may be true; the latter certainly is .

His is a 1-man operation.

I've seen cases in other groups too
where cash has been sent for items and a long time passed
- nothing received and like the OP here,
raised a question about the transaction.

Yup.

It came across where the dude involved was generally a good guy

Also true. Tom's intentions are gernerally good

but his execution is often quite poor.

and never did that before

That can't be said about this vendor.

- they found something was wrong.

Poor health or family circumstances are still a possibility,

but past is prologue (consider Occam's Razor).

if someone sent me a payment for an item
and I were to end up in a hospital for a while, I know
I would "try" to get the item shipped out[...].

I hope Tom reads that.

I do have one person I could trust to take care of my affairs,

Re: Tom: See "1-man operation" (above).

 

[DaveM]

"L." <nospam@tnospam.com> wrote in message
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"Robert Baer" <robertbaer@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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p-gyula@freemail.hu wrote:
Tom Gootee 1795 Schuetter Rd Jasper, IN 47546-9586 Phone:
(812)-482-7663 Fax or voicemail Tom Gootee at 1-812-482-7650, email
tomg@fullnet.com runs a mail fraud business. Please don't do any
business with him, or don't give or send money to him. I sent him $662
with Western Union for a test equipment he advertises on his web site.
I never received the test equipment he agreed to send me, and I'm
unable to reach him on any of his phone numbers, and he isn't
answering to my emails. For more information you welcome to contact me

If he is in a different state than you are, it would seem that he is guilty
of wire fraud and mail fraud; both are Federal offenses.
You, at minimum, can sue him in small claims court.

Contact your local Police Department to seek their assistance. They "should"
be able to file the report and get in touch with the Police in his area. Suing
in small claims court is an option BUT - if he says he doesn't have the money
to pay back, all you can get is a judgement against any property which STILL
won't "guarantee" any money coming back. You're a victim of crime and rarely
are victims rightfully compensated.
You could also call your state Attorney General's office to seek their advice.
IF HE IS IN LEGITIMATE business, contact the State Attorney General in HIS
state. You can look up most States governments online with links to all major
offices - Attorney Generals being one of them. There is a form to fill in to
e-mail to them. It "may" take some time, so be patient. I've done this myself,
it took like 3 weeks to get a reply which came back not by E-Mail, but by
regular mail.

L.

This is spam. This very same gripe has been posted multiple times by the OP,
going back several years. As I recall, Mr. Gootee has long since squared with
the OP, citing problems with the OP's email as the cause of the mix-up.
It is the OP who should be chastised in this case, because of his repeated
slandering of Gootee. He seems to post this gripe on a semi-annual schedule.

Cheers!!


--
Dave M
MasonDG44 at comcast dot net (Just substitute the appropriate characters in the
address)

Some days you're the dog, some days the hydrant.

 

p-gyula@freemail.hu wrote:

Tom Gootee 1795 Schuetter Rd Jasper, IN 47546-9586 Phone:
(812)-482-7663 Fax or voicemail Tom Gootee at 1-812-482-7650, email
tomg@fullnet.com runs a mail fraud business. Please don't do any
business with him, or don't give or send money to him. I sent him $662
with Western Union for a test equipment he advertises on his web site.
I never received the test equipment he agreed to send me, and I'm
unable to reach him on any of his phone numbers, and he isn't
answering to my emails. For more information you welcome to contact me

No fraud is involved.

After you ordered, I told you that there would be a delay for redesign.
You said OK.

I have offered you a refund. You said no.

Either wait or take the refund. Posting messagess like this is totally
uncalled-for.

Regarding your not being able to reach me: I have told you that I am
not usually available by phone. And YOU trashed my email by sending
over 2 GB of emails, making it impossible for me to read your (or any)
messages, during the time in question. I permanently lost several
weeks'-worth of emails, because of you, which no doubt cost me
thousands of dollars, and alienated other customers.

- Tom Gootee

 

[L.]

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"Robert Baer" <robertbaer@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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p-gyula@freemail.hu wrote:
Tom Gootee 1795 Schuetter Rd Jasper, IN 47546-9586 Phone:
(812)-482-7663 Fax or voicemail Tom Gootee at 1-812-482-7650, email
tomg@fullnet.com runs a mail fraud business. Please don't do any
business with him, or don't give or send money to him. I sent him $662
with Western Union for a test equipment he advertises on his web site.
I never received the test equipment he agreed to send me, and I'm
unable to reach him on any of his phone numbers, and he isn't
answering to my emails. For more information you welcome to contact me

If he is in a different state than you are, it would seem that he is
guilty of wire fraud and mail fraud; both are Federal offenses.
You, at minimum, can sue him in small claims court.

Contact your local Police Department to seek their assistance. They
"should" be able to file the report and get in touch with the Police in
his area. Suing in small claims court is an option BUT - if he says he
doesn't have the money to pay back, all you can get is a judgement
against any property which STILL won't "guarantee" any money coming back.
You're a victim of crime and rarely are victims rightfully compensated.
You could also call your state Attorney General's office to seek their
advice. IF HE IS IN LEGITIMATE business, contact the State Attorney
General in HIS state. You can look up most States governments online with
links to all major offices - Attorney Generals being one of them. There
is a form to fill in to e-mail to them. It "may" take some time, so be
patient. I've done this myself, it took like 3 weeks to get a reply which
came back not by E-Mail, but by regular mail.

L.


This is spam. This very same gripe has been posted multiple times by the
OP, going back several years. As I recall, Mr. Gootee has long since
squared with the OP, citing problems with the OP's email as the cause of
the mix-up.
It is the OP who should be chastised in this case, because of his repeated
slandering of Gootee. He seems to post this gripe on a semi-annual
schedule.

Cheers!!


--
Dave M

Man, that sucks........... I see the person (allegedly - Mr. Gotee)
apparently has again replied - so is that also being retransmitted by some
means? OR is Mr. Gotee replying to this mess yet again? If the dude already
settled, why not drop it? IF this is a "settled" case, then the OP is in
turn apparently at fault for "harassment" - to continously keep sending this
stuff.

That is why I said in my follow up - all is not always as it
appears............ Sometimes, you just never know.

L.

 

[Marco Licetti]

you're stupid for using Western Union or wire xfer any sort. HAHAH. You
people are dumb.
The ONLY SAFE way of Internet dealin gis EBAY+PAYPAL. I dont work fo rthem!
I just learned many years ago, I'e been online since 1980s.

 

[Robert Baer]

Marco Licetti wrote:

you're stupid for using Western Union or wire xfer any sort. HAHAH. You
people are dumb.
The ONLY SAFE way of Internet dealin gis EBAY+PAYPAL. I dont work fo rthem!
I just learned many years ago, I'e been online since 1980s.


E-bay is not safe!

Either buyers or sellers can be burned, and e-bay refuses to do
anything about it.
I speak from experience on both sides, as a buyer and as a seller.

Wire transfer is expensive, and WU is OK if you follow safe procedures.
On payment it does not matter if a personal check, corporate check,
cashiers check, money order, or WU money order; the "seller" can cash it
immediately and stiff you.
On receipt of any of those checks for something you are trying to
sell, the check could be a forgery that looks like an original but is not.

 

[L.]

"Robert Baer" <robertbaer@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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Marco Licetti wrote:

you're stupid for using Western Union or wire xfer any sort. HAHAH. You
people are dumb.
The ONLY SAFE way of Internet dealin gis EBAY+PAYPAL. I dont work fo
rthem! I just learned many years ago, I'e been online since 1980s.
E-bay is not safe!
Either buyers or sellers can be burned, and e-bay refuses to do anything
about it.
I speak from experience on both sides, as a buyer and as a seller.

Wire transfer is expensive, and WU is OK if you follow safe procedures.
On payment it does not matter if a personal check, corporate check,
cashiers check, money order, or WU money order; the "seller" can cash it
immediately and stiff you.
On receipt of any of those checks for something you are trying to sell,
the check could be a forgery that looks like an original but is not.

Ditto............... anyone "thinking" E-Bay/Paypal is 100% safe is only
fooling themselves.

L.

 

[p-gyula@freemail.hu]

Tom,

1 After we have exchanged emails, you made me believe, you have a
product for sale, not something in the design stages. You asked me to
wire the money for you, and in exchange you will send me a curve tracer
IN PRODUCTION. You never told me it is not ready, you never told me I
need to wait for you to finish-it.

2 You were fast to reply to my emails, before I sent the money to you.

3 I wasn't able to reach you after you received my money... not on
the phone, and for some reason you didn't check your emails
anymore...

4 I had to flood your email box, and I had to post messages on the net,
to get your attention. Without these you didn't respond to my emails
for weeks.

5 You gave me 4 different shipping dates for the curve tracer you claim
to have.

6 I didn't get answer to my emails for 3 weeks again.

Please tell me if I'm wrong... I have all of our emails, I will be
more than happy to share it with anybody.

Gyula

 

[p-gyula@freemail.hu]

It was so simple, I sent the money, and I was waiting for the curve
tracer. Somebody messed up...
Yes, I'm stupid, but to be honest, this is my first bad experience.
I'm doing business on the net for many years, and I paid this way
many times, I sent money to many countries without any problem. Tom
Gootee is the first, who didn't send the thing I paid for. So I will
continue to trust people, and I will continue to do business this way,
but I will be more careful next time.

 

[Michael A. Terrell]

Marco Licetti wrote:

you're stupid for using Western Union or wire xfer any sort. HAHAH. You
people are dumb.
The ONLY SAFE way of Internet dealin gis EBAY+PAYPAL. I dont work fo rthem!
I just learned many years ago, I'e been online since 1980s.

No, you just spam the crap you sell with them.


--
Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
prove it.
Member of DAV #85.

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida

 

[Michael A. Terrell]

"p-gyula@freemail.hu" wrote:

It was so simple, I sent the money, and I was waiting for the curve
tracer. Somebody messed up...
Yes, I'm stupid, but to be honest, this is my first bad experience.
I'm doing business on the net for many years, and I paid this way
many times, I sent money to many countries without any problem. Tom
Gootee is the first, who didn't send the thing I paid for. So I will
continue to trust people, and I will continue to do business this way,
but I will be more careful next time.

If you did flood his mailbox like he said, I'd be inclined to say
that he doesn't owe you a damn thing. In fact, he could file charges
against you for harassment and online stalking.


--
Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
prove it.
Member of DAV #85.

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida

 

(I will TRY to remain calm and civilized, as I write this response. It
is difficult. -Tom)

p-gyula@freemail.hu wrote:

Tom,

1 After we have exchanged emails, you made me believe, you have a
product for sale, not something in the design stages. You asked me to
wire the money for you, and in exchange you will send me a curve tracer
IN PRODUCTION. You never told me it is not ready, you never told me I
need to wait for you to finish-it.

You believed what I believed. But, AFTER you had ordered, as I have
said, I THEN found something that I decided needed to be changed.
(Note: This was for *YOUR* benefit. Perhaps I am too conscientious, or
too much of a perfectionist: Guilty as charged. "Sorry!")

2 You were fast to reply to my emails, before I sent the money to you.

No faster than I usually am.

3 I wasn't able to reach you after you received my money... not on
the phone, and for some reason you didn't check your emails
anymore...

AS I have told you more than once, I am *usually* NOT reachable by
phone. So, no surprise, there! (So why do you keep bringing that up?)

Regarding the delay in checking my email: I DID make at least ONE
"mistake", in all of this: I thought that I could finish the changes
in one or two days, and wanted to get it out to you as quickly as
possible (again: for *YOUR* benefit). When I ran into more problems
than I had anticipated, I hunkered down and continued working on the
problem, to the exclusion of all else, for about 18 hours a day (for
*YOUR* benefit), always thinking that SURELY it would be done THAT day.
A week or so might have passed (Heck, I'll even say that maybe it was
a little longer than that.), during which time I did nothing else (for
*YOUR* benefit). But, by then, when I finally did take the time to
try to check my email, I found that it was inaccessible! I later
learned that YOU had sent over 2 *GIGABYTES*(!) into my inbox, at my
ISP, making it impossible for me to even READ any of my email, much
less respond to you.

4 I had to flood your email box, and I had to post messages on the net,
to get your attention. Without these you didn't respond to my emails
for weeks.

"Had to" flood my email box????!!!!! That is a CRIMINAL act!!!!!
If you were in the USA, instead of in Hungary, you would now be under
arrest and facing criminal charges in a court of law, and could be
forced to pay me thousands of dollars for the damages you have
inflicted!

Didn't respond "for weeks"? Yes, YOUR denial-of-service attack kept my
email inoperable for about that long!! My ISP finally had to delete it
*ALL*, since it was in one big 2 GB ASCII text file (POP-type,
apparently), on their server, and even they couldn't find a reasonable
way to go in and delete only the hundreds of HUGE emails that were from
you.

My first real information/communication, from you, then, was when I
"just happened" to see one of your "fraud"-warning posts, in
sci.electronics.equipment!

Are you even AWARE of the fact that what you have posted constitutes
another criminal act???! How's life there in Hungary, anyway? Are the
Communist/criminal thugs still running the place with threats,
extortion, blackmail, and violence? Or was it just that way for so
long that it still seems normal to y'all?

FYI: In the CIVILIZED parts of the world, we try not to let things
operate that way.

Telling lies that ruin someone's business venture is a very serious
crime, which exposes you to huge potential costs. If you are
successful, you could be held liable for all of the potential future
earnings of the business that you wrongfully damaged. I hope that you
are very wealthy. (It would, among other things, make you a
much-more-viable legal target.)

5 You gave me 4 different shipping dates for the curve tracer you claim
to have.

I don't think so. But... hell... possibly. Your harassment, alone,
given the situation I was in, might have been reason-enough for me to
want to be too optimistic about exactly when I might be able to get
everything "nailed into place", to satisfy you. But seriously, if I
said it, then that is what I believed at the time. Sometimes, "shit
happens". And sometimes, "more shit happens". I guess there's now
yet-another version of Murphy's Law: When "The Customer From Hell"
comes your way, he cannot be satisfied, no matter how hard you try.

What the .... ?? If I gave you "4 different shipping dates", then I
must have emailed you more times than you are trying to lead people to
believe. Gotcha.

NOT that it matters, at all, in this context, but: Even for the minor
circuit-change that resulted, there was a lot of interacting and
co-dependent work that got generated, including re-layout and
re-manufacturing of a PCB, parts-list changes, inventory/ordering new
parts, assembly-diagrams' artwork changes in many places, re-writing
step-by-step assembly-instructions, etc etc etc. And it's sometimes
very difficult to tell how long it will all take, ahead of time,
depending on the extent of the change(s) that were made. Along the
way, I also had to try to find time to worry about my Dad when he had
emergency surgeries, and various other unexpected personal stuff that
came up, not to mention lots of time spent desperately trying to find
ways to salvage the weeks of email that you destroyed, not to mention
trying to catch up on other email and orders from OTHER customers.

The Curve Tracer that I "claim to have?": Oh yes. I do have it. I'm
actually too embarrassed to say how much time and energy and money I
have invested into developing the latest version of it. It's
gorgeous; and fabulous. I have hundreds of satisfied customers who
purchased older versions of it. And the new version is pretty damn
exquisite.

6 I didn't get answer to my emails for 3 weeks again.

Three weeks from WHEN?? From right after you criminally trashed my
inbox? And then, when I WAS finally able to contact you (via your
Google Groups message's "Show Options" menu, IIRC), you said, "No
problem. I understand. I can wait..."!! (You even removed your nasty
messages from the Google archive, per my request.) I couldn't even
USE my email for something like three weeks, after that. And by then,
I was so far behind, in almost every way, that it took even longer to
get where I COULD have been, long before that, if it hadn't been for
the results of your un-civilized (and worse) behavior.

Please tell me if I'm wrong... I have all of our emails, I will be
more than happy to share it with anybody.


Gyula

You are wrong!! (DUH!!!) [Arrgh....!!]

For your future reference: It is certainly "considered to be bad form",
OR much worse, to publicly "share" private emails, without the
permission of the author.

BUT, in this case, you HAVE my permission!!! And I have some real
"DOOZIES", from you, that I would LOVE to show everyone. Is that OK
with you???!! *** Your manner of threatening people with whom you do
business might be of great interest to others. ***

As I have told you, very politely, several times now, by email:

***************

Due to your behavior, I do not WANT you, as my customer.

I have offered you refunds, several times, and politely asked what your
preferred payment-method is.

***** You have repeatedly refused to accept a refund! *****

(And, of course, YOU could have requested a refund at any time, but did
not do so. [I ALWAYS cheerfully refund any customer's money upon
request, "no questions asked". Heck, for the PDF technical manuals on
CD that I sell as a sideline, I refund money even if NOT requested, if
I just happen to SENSE any dissatisfaction, and also tell them to keep
the manual. BY THE WAY: If anyone wants immediate independent
corroboration of my claims of honorable business practices, take a good
look at the hundreds of 100%-positive feedback comments for eBay.com
user tom_gootee!])

***************

And, in your emails to me, you have explicitly threatened to continue
to post nasty messages about me, "10 per day", you said (and also
threatened much worse things), if I did not send you one of my Curve
Tracers, "received within 48 hours". And you said that only THEN would
you remove your messages from Google's archive.

(FYI: Maybe you also didn't realize that your libelous messages had
probably already been distributed worldwide and re-archived on many
other systems, so that removing them from Google Groups could not
possibly undo the damage that you may have done. Not only is that "a
bad thing", especially for me. It also makes your entire threat scheme
less-meaningful, since, EVEN if I complied, you couldn't possibly
fulfill your part of the bargain. Moron!)

Are you NUTS???!!!

Please, listen very closely, now, Padi Gyula:

I WILL *NOT*, under *ANY* circumstances, now or in the future, EVER,
send you ANY product.

BY THE WAY: Your refund is on its way to you. DUE TO THE FACT THAT YOU
HAVE REPEATEDLY REJECTED MY REFUND OFFERS, for a long time now, I have
simply taken the liberty of sending your money back to you, via the
same way that you originally sent it to me: through Western Union. I
will email, to you, the details that you need, to pick up the money at
your local WU office. (But, oh, gee... I DO hope that MY email reaches
YOU before my ISP's email reaches your ISP!) [The sender's fee was
$56. I'll just add that to the damages that you owe me.]

BY THE WAY: In one of your very few somewhat-friendly emails, you said
that you were "in the same business" as I am in. This may be a
stretch, but, if I try really hard, I can be almost as paranoid as you
apparently are, in which case I might wonder if maybe you are "in
competition" with me, or feel that you are, or want to be. Could THAT
be why you are falsely accusing me of fraud, and trying to ruin my
business? Could THAT be why you have been threatening me, in order to
try to get me to send you my latest-and-greatest design, rather than
simply accepting my repeated refund offers? Personally, I think
"probably not", although, I have been known to be somewhat naive, at
times. But, if I did think about it that way, there would appear to be
at least the possibility of "the appearance of impropriety" on your
part, here, also.

I have already spent FAR too much time and effort on you. You are
wasting everyone's time and energy. But I will say, about myself, that
I have always tried to be honorable-to-a-fault, honest, hard-working,
and the best at whatever I do. And, ever since I've been in business
for myself, I have always tried to make sure that my customers were
happier than they thought they would be, and have, many, MANY times,
gone WAY above and beyond the call of duty.

- Tom Gootee

 

[L.]

"L." <nospam@tnospam.com> wrote in message
news:44ee97e1$0$15500$ecde5a14@news.coretel.net...

"Robert Baer" <robertbaer@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:7swHg.10143$Qf.7402@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net...
p-gyula@freemail.hu wrote:
Tom Gootee 1795 Schuetter Rd Jasper, IN 47546-9586 Phone:
(812)-482-7663 Fax or voicemail Tom Gootee at 1-812-482-7650, email
tomg@fullnet.com runs a mail fraud business. Please don't do any
business with him, or don't give or send money to him. I sent him $662
with Western Union for a test equipment he advertises on his web site.
I never received the test equipment he agreed to send me, and I'm
unable to reach him on any of his phone numbers, and he isn't
answering to my emails. For more information you welcome to contact me

If he is in a different state than you are, it would seem that he is
guilty of wire fraud and mail fraud; both are Federal offenses.
You, at minimum, can sue him in small claims court.

Contact your local Police Department to seek their assistance. They
"should" be able to file the report and get in touch with the Police in
his area.

<a bunch of my own words deleted.....>

So why is this being recirculated? This is like the 3rd time I've seen it.

L.

 

[p-gyula@freemail.hu]

Tom,

You are a liar, and a criminal.

Why do you have my money since may, 2006? Why did I send you the money?
Why did you pick up the money at Western Union? Where is the curve
tracer?

I have al of our emails, I can prove you never told me I will have to
wait for months for the curve tracer. You gave me 4 different shipping
dates for the curve tracer.

You are a crook, and you are lying again. You are using my money for 4
months. I had to put some pressure on you to get an answer to my
emails.

Just like I told you, I have all of our emails, I can prove all my
claims.

Gyula

 

[Maynard]

On 31 Aug 2006 19:00:32 -0700 "p-gyula@freemail.hu" &lt;p-gyula@freemail.hu&gt;
wrote in Message id:
&lt;1157076032.636277.58320@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com&gt;:

Tom,

You are a liar, and a criminal.

Why do you have my money since may, 2006? Why did I send you the money?
Why did you pick up the money at Western Union? Where is the curve
tracer?

I have al of our emails, I can prove you never told me I will have to
wait for months for the curve tracer. You gave me 4 different shipping
dates for the curve tracer.

You are a crook, and you are lying again. You are using my money for 4
months. I had to put some pressure on you to get an answer to my
emails.

Just like I told you, I have all of our emails, I can prove all my
claims.

Gyula

Not to put too fine a point on it, but I hear you can get shotguns with
flavored barrels nowadays...

Anyway, I'd say take it to email, but your fuckwitted behavior of flooding
Tom's email, in essence a DOS, would make that somewhat difficult. If I
were him, I'd shove a barbed harpoon up your syphilitic ass, pull out your
colon, and force feed it to you; then spend your fucking money on the
whores at the nudie bar.

That being said, why don't you just fuck off instead, shitlips?