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Phil Allison

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** This item was broadcast on Monday night:

http://au.todaytonight.yahoo.com/article/8834571/consumer/tv-fires

Just about everything the item said was wrong or very misleading.

Power points do not burst into flames when overloaded - there has to be
other SERIOUS problems to cause that.

CRT type TV sets and PC monitors are known to catch fire occasionally ( cos
the plastic case is flammable) but what does TT show viewers - a modern
Plasma / LCD set instead.

All the "experts " were electricians of course - one implied that a home
theatre system plugged into " one power board " was a fire hazard. Bollocks.

Quote:

"People need on average another 1 or 2 power points per room to cope with
all the appliances we have in our homes. They'll often undertake that work
themselves illegally rather than get a contractor in to do it", say David
Hallet from Archicentre.

Anyone spot an obvious example of self interest masquerading as safety
advice??

Do none of these " experts " know what the purpose of a " thermal magnetic"
circuit breaker is and how the ratings work ?

Do none of them know why thermal breakers are fitted to every multi-way
power board ?

Apparently not.



..... Phil
 
"Phil Allison" <phil_a@tpg.com.au> wrote in message
news:8s0ph6FlfhU1@mid.individual.net...
** This item was broadcast on Monday night:

http://au.todaytonight.yahoo.com/article/8834571/consumer/tv-fires

Just about everything the item said was wrong or very misleading.

Power points do not burst into flames when overloaded - there has to be
other SERIOUS problems to cause that.

CRT type TV sets and PC monitors are known to catch fire occasionally (
cos the plastic case is flammable) but what does TT show viewers - a
modern Plasma / LCD set instead.

All the "experts " were electricians of course - one implied that a home
theatre system plugged into " one power board " was a fire hazard.
Bollocks.

Quote:

"People need on average another 1 or 2 power points per room to cope with
all the appliances we have in our homes. They'll often undertake that work
themselves illegally rather than get a contractor in to do it", say David
Hallet from Archicentre.

Anyone spot an obvious example of self interest masquerading as safety
advice??

Do none of these " experts " know what the purpose of a " thermal
magnetic" circuit breaker is and how the ratings work ?

Do none of them know why thermal breakers are fitted to every multi-way
power board ?

Apparently not.



.... Phil
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Err. Not all premises have multi-way load centres installed in their
household 'fuse' board. Many still rely fuses either rewireble or HRC. Out
of interest . In your opinion, what is purpose of a " thermal magnetic"
circuit breaker and how do the ratings work ?
 
Metro man is who ??


Err. Not all premises have multi-way load centres installed in their
household 'fuse' board.
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** Huh ????

What the fuck do YOU think a " multi-way power board is "?

Hint - they sell them at K-Mart for about $5.

BTW

I am not here to answer your fuckwit questions.


..... Phil
 
On 16/02/2011 1:01 PM, Phil Allison wrote:
** This item was broadcast on Monday night:

http://au.todaytonight.yahoo.com/article/8834571/consumer/tv-fires

Just about everything the item said was wrong or very misleading.
Click to expand...
Hardly a surprise - it's their stock in trade.

Sylvia.
 
"Phil Allison" <phil_a@tpg.com.au> wrote in message
news:8s1e7kF8eaU1@mid.individual.net...
Metro man is who ??


Err. Not all premises have multi-way load centres installed in their
household 'fuse' board.


** Huh ????

What the fuck do YOU think a " multi-way power board is "?

Hint - they sell them at K-Mart for about $5.

BTW

I am not here to answer your fuckwit questions.


.... Phil


Yes I miss-read your prattle. Boy you do have a problem though. From
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Queensland by any chance?
 
"Metro = Fake "

** Get fucked you stinking TROLL





<Home@home> wrote in message
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"Phil Allison" <phil_a@tpg.com.au> wrote in message
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Metro man is who ??


Err. Not all premises have multi-way load centres installed in their
household 'fuse' board.


** Huh ????

What the fuck do YOU think a " multi-way power board is "?

Hint - they sell them at K-Mart for about $5.

BTW

I am not here to answer your fuckwit questions.


.... Phil


Yes I miss-read your prattle. Boy you do have a problem though. From
Queensland by any chance?
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"Phil Allison" <phil_a@tpg.com.au> wrote:
** This item was broadcast on Monday night:

http://au.todaytonight.yahoo.com/article/8834571/consumer/tv-fires

Just about everything the item said was wrong or very misleading.

Power points do not burst into flames when overloaded - there has to be
other SERIOUS problems to cause that.

CRT type TV sets and PC monitors are known to catch fire occasionally ( cos
the plastic case is flammable) but what does TT show viewers - a modern
Plasma / LCD set instead.

All the "experts " were electricians of course - one implied that a home
theatre system plugged into " one power board " was a fire hazard. Bollocks.

Quote:

"People need on average another 1 or 2 power points per room to cope with
all the appliances we have in our homes. They'll often undertake that work
themselves illegally rather than get a contractor in to do it", say David
Hallet from Archicentre.

Anyone spot an obvious example of self interest masquerading as safety
advice??

Do none of these " experts " know what the purpose of a " thermal magnetic"
circuit breaker is and how the ratings work ?

Do none of them know why thermal breakers are fitted to every multi-way
power board ?

Apparently not.



.... Phil
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Why do you watch the shut. Is it because they help you feel smart....
As you have pointed out, they don't raise the bar very high!
Or are you just killing time before Home and away starts. :)

--
:p
 
"Phil Allison" <phil_a@tpg.com.au> wrote:
Metro man is who ??


Err. Not all premises have multi-way load centres installed in their
household 'fuse' board.


** Huh ????

What the fuck do YOU think a " multi-way power board is "?

Hint - they sell them at K-Mart for about $5.

BTW

I am not here to answer your fuckwit questions.


.... Phil
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I seems you are!

--
:p
 
"Peter" <someone@microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:41553828319622273.420735someone-microsoft.com@us.Usenet-News.net...
"Phil Allison" <phil_a@tpg.com.au> wrote:
Metro man is who ??


Err. Not all premises have multi-way load centres installed in their
household 'fuse' board.


** Huh ????

What the fuck do YOU think a " multi-way power board is "?

Hint - they sell them at K-Mart for about $5.

BTW

I am not here to answer your fuckwit questions.


.... Phil

I seems you are!

--
:p
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Hey, pull your head in Peter!
 
On Feb 16, 6:08 pm, Sylvia Else <syl...@not.here.invalid> wrote:
On 16/02/2011 1:01 PM, Phil Allison wrote:

** This item was broadcast on Monday night:

http://au.todaytonight.yahoo.com/article/8834571/consumer/tv-fires

Just about everything the item said was wrong or very misleading.

Hardly a surprise - it's their stock in trade.

Sylvia.
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The few times I have seen it, they seem to just promote scam products
or services,
the rest of the time it is making a mountain out of a molehill,
showing bogans behaving
like bogans (trashing rental properties, harassing neighbours).

Not much to see
 
On Feb 16, 12:01 pm, "Phil Allison" <phi...@tpg.com.au> wrote:
** This item was broadcast on Monday night:

http://au.todaytonight.yahoo.com/article/8834571/consumer/tv-fires

Just about everything the item said was wrong or very misleading.

Power points do not burst into flames when overloaded - there has to be
other SERIOUS problems to cause that.

CRT type TV sets and PC monitors are known to catch fire occasionally  ( cos
the plastic case is flammable) but what does TT show viewers  -  a modern
Plasma / LCD  set instead.

All the "experts " were electricians of course -  one implied that a home
theatre system plugged into " one power board " was a fire hazard. Bollocks.

Quote:

"People need on average another 1 or 2 power points per room to cope with
all the appliances we have in our homes. They'll often undertake that work
themselves illegally rather than get a contractor in to do it", say David
Hallet from Archicentre.

Anyone spot an obvious example of self interest masquerading as safety
advice??

Do none of these " experts " know what the purpose of a " thermal  magnetic"
circuit breaker is and how the ratings work ?

Do none of them know why thermal breakers are fitted to every multi-way
power board ?

Apparently not.

....  Phil
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I have in the past seen plenty of home made power boards made out of 2
or more domestic power points on a length of wood Never have I seen
one that is fused., but these are probably getting scarce these days
with commercial power boards (including circuit breaker) being only a
few $$. People might still make them in applications where they need
individual switches on each socket, or spread out more
but power boards with switches are readily available anyway.

As for illegally installed extra power sockets - assuming that the
installer hasn't made a bad joint, or used thin wire that overheats
under load and starts a fire (ie - thin fig 8 speaker wire etc) , the
worst that should happen is the circuit breaker on the fuse board
would open once the total current on that circuit got above 16/20a.

I also find it a bit hard to believe that the average TV / home
theatre setup could ever draw enough current to cause any problems
like this unless you had bad house wiring - and this is hardly the
fault of the TV or domestic sound system.


I suppose one could plug in a 2400w heater and other into one side of
a double socket that also feeds the home theatre, but I would think
that a properly wired house should be able to cope with this
situation.



Just typical TT crap.
 
On 18-Feb-11 1:17 AM, kreed wrote:

I have in the past seen plenty of home made power boards made out of 2
or more domestic power points on a length of wood Never have I seen
one that is fused., but these are probably getting scarce these days
with commercial power boards (including circuit breaker) being only a
few $$. People might still make them in applications where they need
individual switches on each socket, or spread out more
but power boards with switches are readily available anyway.
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50 years ago, we would cut off a length of standard floor board, screw on some mounting boxes, wire up twin GPOs and
attach and anchor a short flexible lead and plug.

Sure it was illegal, but there was nothing around in those days that would do the same job as an off the shelf power
that you see for a few bucks today.

Mind you, some of the modern ones fall to bits in your hands after a couple of years, exposing the metal power bars. Pay
peanuts, get monkeys :)

Cheers Don...

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"Don McKenzie" <5V@2.5A> wrote in message
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On 18-Feb-11 1:17 AM, kreed wrote:

I have in the past seen plenty of home made power boards made out of 2
or more domestic power points on a length of wood Never have I seen
one that is fused., but these are probably getting scarce these days
with commercial power boards (including circuit breaker) being only a
few $$. People might still make them in applications where they need
individual switches on each socket, or spread out more
but power boards with switches are readily available anyway.

50 years ago, we would cut off a length of standard floor board, screw on
some mounting boxes, wire up twin GPOs and attach and anchor a short
flexible lead and plug.

Sure it was illegal, but there was nothing around in those days that would
do the same job as an off the shelf power that you see for a few bucks
today.

Mind you, some of the modern ones fall to bits in your hands after a
couple of years, exposing the metal power bars. Pay peanuts, get monkeys
:)

Cheers Don...

As long as the flex cable on your homemade gizmo was rated at no less than
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the rating of the GPO that was feeding it, it would be have been legal. It
was done many a time in the building game. Sometimes installed in a box to
protect it.

Cheers Metro........
 
On 17/02/2011 9:53 PM, kreed wrote:
On Feb 16, 6:08 pm, Sylvia Else<syl...@not.here.invalid> wrote:
On 16/02/2011 1:01 PM, Phil Allison wrote:

** This item was broadcast on Monday night:

http://au.todaytonight.yahoo.com/article/8834571/consumer/tv-fires

Just about everything the item said was wrong or very misleading.

Hardly a surprise - it's their stock in trade.

Sylvia.

The few times I have seen it, they seem to just promote scam products
or services,
the rest of the time it is making a mountain out of a molehill,
showing bogans behaving
like bogans (trashing rental properties, harassing neighbours).

Not much to see
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I often find TT rather entertaining.
For me it is kind of real life comedy, especially since it is supposed
to be serious! TT and ACA take gutter "journalism" to ever new heights.

Tony
 
"Metro the Moron "
As long as the flex cable on your homemade gizmo was rated at no less than
the rating of the GPO that was feeding it, it would be have been legal.
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** Such a home made unit breaks many laws.

Never heard of the " prescribed items " list ??



..... Phil
 
On Feb 18, 4:58 am, Don McKenzie <5...@2.5A> wrote:
On 18-Feb-11 1:17 AM, kreed wrote:

I have in the past seen plenty of home made power boards made out of 2
or more domestic power points on a length of wood Never have I seen
one that is fused., but these are probably getting scarce these days
with commercial power boards (including circuit breaker) being only a
few $$. People might still make them in applications where they need
individual switches on each socket, or spread out more
but power boards with switches are readily available anyway.

50 years ago, we would cut off a length of standard floor board, screw on some mounting boxes, wire up twin GPOs and
attach and anchor a short flexible lead and plug.

Sure it was illegal, but there was nothing around in those days that would do the same job as an off the shelf power
that you see for a few bucks today.

That is true. The first I can remember coming on the market were in
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the mid 1970's - those large Kambrook ones. I still have 2 of them
here, and they do not have fuses or circuit breakers fitted.


Mind you, some of the modern ones fall to bits in your hands after a couple of years, exposing the metal power bars. Pay
peanuts, get monkeys :)

Cheers Don...

Many power points and light switches crack and break with time too it
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seems :(


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ok, phil, why does it break many laws ???


wanker..



"Phil Allison" <phil_a@tpg.com.au> wrote in message
news:8s5upcFi19U1@mid.individual.net...
"Metro the Moron "

As long as the flex cable on your homemade gizmo was rated at no less
than the rating of the GPO that was feeding it, it would be have been
legal.


** Such a home made unit breaks many laws.

Never heard of the " prescribed items " list ??



.... Phil
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