TIME's Top Scientists and Thinkers

PaulCsouls · Apr 15, 2005

The TIME 100 described as "TIME's list of the men and women whose
power, talent or moral example is transforming the world" They have 5
catagories. Leaders & Revolutionaries, Builders & Titans, Heroes &
Icons, Scientists & Thinkers and Artists & Entertainers.

The twenty Scientists & Thinkers are:
Burt Rutan: SpaceShipOne Designer.
Malcolm Gladwell: Pop Sociologist
Robert Klein: Real Estate Developer/Stem Cell Research Promotor
Larry Summers: Harvard President/ Former Treasury Secretary
Natan Sharansky: Author, 'The Case for Democracy'
Timothy Gartonash, Author, 'The Free World'
Mitchell Baker, Lawyer, Head of Mozilla
Rick Warren, Pastor/Author 'The Purpose Driven Life'.
Brian Atwater, Geologist expert on Tsunamis
Andrew Weil, Doctor Guru of Self Healing
Peter Singer, Author 'Animal Liberation'
Abdolkarim Soroush, Iran's Democratic Voice
Jeffrey Sachs, Economist/Author The End of Poverty
Lee Kuan Yew, Prime Minister of Singapore.
Richard Pound, Head of the World Anti-Doping Agency
Karl Rove, Political Strategist

So much for science and engineering in the 21st century.

Paul C

John Larkin · Apr 15, 2005

On Fri, 15 Apr 2005 03:03:21 GMT, PaulCsouls
<paulcsouls@worldnet.att.net> wrote:

The TIME 100 described as "TIME's list of the men and women whose
power, talent or moral example is transforming the world" They have 5
catagories. Leaders & Revolutionaries, Builders & Titans, Heroes &
Icons, Scientists & Thinkers and Artists & Entertainers.

The twenty Scientists & Thinkers are:
Burt Rutan: SpaceShipOne Designer.
Malcolm Gladwell: Pop Sociologist
Robert Klein: Real Estate Developer/Stem Cell Research Promotor
Larry Summers: Harvard President/ Former Treasury Secretary
Natan Sharansky: Author, 'The Case for Democracy'
Timothy Gartonash, Author, 'The Free World'
Mitchell Baker, Lawyer, Head of Mozilla
Rick Warren, Pastor/Author 'The Purpose Driven Life'.
Brian Atwater, Geologist expert on Tsunamis
Andrew Weil, Doctor Guru of Self Healing
Peter Singer, Author 'Animal Liberation'
Abdolkarim Soroush, Iran's Democratic Voice
Jeffrey Sachs, Economist/Author The End of Poverty
Lee Kuan Yew, Prime Minister of Singapore.
Richard Pound, Head of the World Anti-Doping Agency
Karl Rove, Political Strategist

So much for science and engineering in the 21st century.

Paul C

Well, it's only 5% done.

John

PaulCsouls · Apr 15, 2005

On Thu, 14 Apr 2005 20:26:33 -0700, John Larkin
<jjlarkin@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:

On Fri, 15 Apr 2005 03:03:21 GMT, PaulCsouls
paulcsouls@worldnet.att.net> wrote:

The TIME 100 described as "TIME's list of the men and women whose
power, talent or moral example is transforming the world" They have 5
catagories. Leaders & Revolutionaries, Builders & Titans, Heroes &
Icons, Scientists & Thinkers and Artists & Entertainers.

The twenty Scientists & Thinkers are:
Burt Rutan: SpaceShipOne Designer.
Malcolm Gladwell: Pop Sociologist
Robert Klein: Real Estate Developer/Stem Cell Research Promotor
Larry Summers: Harvard President/ Former Treasury Secretary
Natan Sharansky: Author, 'The Case for Democracy'
Timothy Gartonash, Author, 'The Free World'
Mitchell Baker, Lawyer, Head of Mozilla
Rick Warren, Pastor/Author 'The Purpose Driven Life'.
Brian Atwater, Geologist expert on Tsunamis
Andrew Weil, Doctor Guru of Self Healing
Peter Singer, Author 'Animal Liberation'
Abdolkarim Soroush, Iran's Democratic Voice
Jeffrey Sachs, Economist/Author The End of Poverty
Lee Kuan Yew, Prime Minister of Singapore.
Richard Pound, Head of the World Anti-Doping Agency
Karl Rove, Political Strategist

So much for science and engineering in the 21st century.

Paul C

Well, it's only 5% done.

John

And it's cooked. When I got this magazine I turned to this section
first, expecting to find scientists. You know people working on dark
matter, string theory, new cures . Instead I find some stupid liberal
art majors reading list. No wonder kids don't go into science any
more. Its not treated as important.

Paul C

Jim Thompson · Apr 15, 2005

On Fri, 15 Apr 2005 03:48:34 GMT, PaulCsouls
<paulcsouls@worldnet.att.net> wrote:

On Thu, 14 Apr 2005 20:26:33 -0700, John Larkin
jjlarkin@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:

On Fri, 15 Apr 2005 03:03:21 GMT, PaulCsouls
paulcsouls@worldnet.att.net> wrote:

The TIME 100 described as "TIME's list of the men and women whose
power, talent or moral example is transforming the world" They have 5
catagories. Leaders & Revolutionaries, Builders & Titans, Heroes &
Icons, Scientists & Thinkers and Artists & Entertainers.

The twenty Scientists & Thinkers are:
Burt Rutan: SpaceShipOne Designer.
Malcolm Gladwell: Pop Sociologist
Robert Klein: Real Estate Developer/Stem Cell Research Promotor
Larry Summers: Harvard President/ Former Treasury Secretary
Natan Sharansky: Author, 'The Case for Democracy'
Timothy Gartonash, Author, 'The Free World'
Mitchell Baker, Lawyer, Head of Mozilla
Rick Warren, Pastor/Author 'The Purpose Driven Life'.
Brian Atwater, Geologist expert on Tsunamis
Andrew Weil, Doctor Guru of Self Healing
Peter Singer, Author 'Animal Liberation'
Abdolkarim Soroush, Iran's Democratic Voice
Jeffrey Sachs, Economist/Author The End of Poverty
Lee Kuan Yew, Prime Minister of Singapore.
Richard Pound, Head of the World Anti-Doping Agency
Karl Rove, Political Strategist

So much for science and engineering in the 21st century.

Paul C

Well, it's only 5% done.

John

And it's cooked. When I got this magazine I turned to this section
first, expecting to find scientists. You know people working on dark
matter, string theory, new cures . Instead I find some stupid liberal
art majors reading list. No wonder kids don't go into science any
more. Its not treated as important.

Paul C

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John Larkin · Apr 15, 2005

On Thu, 14 Apr 2005 20:58:35 -0700, Jim Thompson
<thegreatone@example.com> wrote:

On Fri, 15 Apr 2005 03:48:34 GMT, PaulCsouls
paulcsouls@worldnet.att.net> wrote:

On Thu, 14 Apr 2005 20:26:33 -0700, John Larkin
jjlarkin@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:

On Fri, 15 Apr 2005 03:03:21 GMT, PaulCsouls
paulcsouls@worldnet.att.net> wrote:

The TIME 100 described as "TIME's list of the men and women whose
power, talent or moral example is transforming the world" They have 5
catagories. Leaders & Revolutionaries, Builders & Titans, Heroes &
Icons, Scientists & Thinkers and Artists & Entertainers.

The twenty Scientists & Thinkers are:
Burt Rutan: SpaceShipOne Designer.
Malcolm Gladwell: Pop Sociologist
Robert Klein: Real Estate Developer/Stem Cell Research Promotor
Larry Summers: Harvard President/ Former Treasury Secretary
Natan Sharansky: Author, 'The Case for Democracy'
Timothy Gartonash, Author, 'The Free World'
Mitchell Baker, Lawyer, Head of Mozilla
Rick Warren, Pastor/Author 'The Purpose Driven Life'.
Brian Atwater, Geologist expert on Tsunamis
Andrew Weil, Doctor Guru of Self Healing
Peter Singer, Author 'Animal Liberation'
Abdolkarim Soroush, Iran's Democratic Voice
Jeffrey Sachs, Economist/Author The End of Poverty
Lee Kuan Yew, Prime Minister of Singapore.
Richard Pound, Head of the World Anti-Doping Agency
Karl Rove, Political Strategist

So much for science and engineering in the 21st century.

Paul C

Well, it's only 5% done.

John

And it's cooked. When I got this magazine I turned to this section
first, expecting to find scientists. You know people working on dark
matter, string theory, new cures . Instead I find some stupid liberal
art majors reading list. No wonder kids don't go into science any
more. Its not treated as important.

Paul C

"TIME" is a liberal weenie magazine... WHY do you read it at all?

...Jim Thompson

It's a lot better than it used to be. I think they finally figured out
that their audience is people who read.

John

Jim Thompson · Apr 15, 2005

On Thu, 14 Apr 2005 21:09:11 -0700, John Larkin
<jjlarkin@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:

On Thu, 14 Apr 2005 20:58:35 -0700, Jim Thompson
thegreatone@example.com> wrote:

On Fri, 15 Apr 2005 03:48:34 GMT, PaulCsouls
paulcsouls@worldnet.att.net> wrote:

On Thu, 14 Apr 2005 20:26:33 -0700, John Larkin
jjlarkin@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:

On Fri, 15 Apr 2005 03:03:21 GMT, PaulCsouls
paulcsouls@worldnet.att.net> wrote:

The TIME 100 described as "TIME's list of the men and women whose
power, talent or moral example is transforming the world" They have 5
catagories. Leaders & Revolutionaries, Builders & Titans, Heroes &
Icons, Scientists & Thinkers and Artists & Entertainers.

The twenty Scientists & Thinkers are:
Burt Rutan: SpaceShipOne Designer.
Malcolm Gladwell: Pop Sociologist
Robert Klein: Real Estate Developer/Stem Cell Research Promotor
Larry Summers: Harvard President/ Former Treasury Secretary
Natan Sharansky: Author, 'The Case for Democracy'
Timothy Gartonash, Author, 'The Free World'
Mitchell Baker, Lawyer, Head of Mozilla
Rick Warren, Pastor/Author 'The Purpose Driven Life'.
Brian Atwater, Geologist expert on Tsunamis
Andrew Weil, Doctor Guru of Self Healing
Peter Singer, Author 'Animal Liberation'
Abdolkarim Soroush, Iran's Democratic Voice
Jeffrey Sachs, Economist/Author The End of Poverty
Lee Kuan Yew, Prime Minister of Singapore.
Richard Pound, Head of the World Anti-Doping Agency
Karl Rove, Political Strategist

So much for science and engineering in the 21st century.

Paul C

Well, it's only 5% done.

John

And it's cooked. When I got this magazine I turned to this section
first, expecting to find scientists. You know people working on dark
matter, string theory, new cures . Instead I find some stupid liberal
art majors reading list. No wonder kids don't go into science any
more. Its not treated as important.

Paul C

"TIME" is a liberal weenie magazine... WHY do you read it at all?

...Jim Thompson

It's a lot better than it used to be. I think they finally figured out
that their audience is people who read.

John

480)460-2350 | |
| E-mail Address at Website Fax

Rob Gaddi · Apr 15, 2005

PaulCsouls wrote:

And it's cooked. When I got this magazine I turned to this section
first, expecting to find scientists. You know people working on dark
matter, string theory, new cures . Instead I find some stupid liberal
art majors reading list. No wonder kids don't go into science any
more. Its not treated as important.

Paul C

At least Rutan made the list. Thank god all it takes is something as
trivial as successfully launching yourself into space.

Dirk Bruere at Neopax · Apr 15, 2005

Rob Gaddi wrote:

PaulCsouls wrote:

And it's cooked. When I got this magazine I turned to this section
first, expecting to find scientists. You know people working on dark
matter, string theory, new cures . Instead I find some stupid liberal
art majors reading list. No wonder kids don't go into science any
more. Its not treated as important.

Paul C

At least Rutan made the list. Thank god all it takes is something as
trivial as successfully launching yourself into space.

IMHO Rutan is an engineer - not a scientist.
Maybe they caught him dressed in a suit instead of coveralls and carrying a
greasy spanner.

--
Dirk

The Consensus:-
The political party for the new millenium
http://www.theconsensus.org

PaulCsouls · Apr 16, 2005

On Fri, 15 Apr 2005 18:54:53 +0100, Dirk Bruere at Neopax
<dirk@neopax.com> wrote:

Rob Gaddi wrote:

PaulCsouls wrote:

And it's cooked. When I got this magazine I turned to this section
first, expecting to find scientists. You know people working on dark
matter, string theory, new cures . Instead I find some stupid liberal
art majors reading list. No wonder kids don't go into science any
more. Its not treated as important.

Paul C

At least Rutan made the list. Thank god all it takes is something as
trivial as successfully launching yourself into space.

IMHO Rutan is an engineer - not a scientist.
Maybe they caught him dressed in a suit instead of coveralls and carrying a
greasy spanner.

My complaint is that there weren't enough engineers. I was looking for
todays Edisons, Einsteins and Armstrongs in this catagory. I guess the
advance of science and technology is no longer applauded but taken for
granted.

Paul C

Apr 16, 2005

In <l7v0615uef59qlple2tm7cd7g42rgdc5ce@4ax.com>, on 04/16/05
at 02:56 AM, PaulCsouls <paulcsouls@worldnet.att.net> said:

My complaint is that there weren't enough engineers. I was looking for
todays Edisons, Einsteins and Armstrongs in this catagory. I guess the
advance of science and technology is no longer applauded but taken for
granted.

Paul,

Who are they? How about a top ten list. No fair including anyone from this
list

JB

PaulCsouls · Apr 16, 2005

On Thu, 14 Apr 2005 20:58:35 -0700, Jim Thompson
<thegreatone@example.com> wrote:

"TIME" is a liberal weenie magazine... WHY do you read it at all?

...Jim Thompson

Same reason I read the San Francisco Chronicle. I like to disagree. It
gives me the illusion I can think for myself. What use are opinions if
you don't challenge them. Besides I've been known to be wrong.

Paul C

"And so, through all the thick mists of the dim doubts in my mind,
divine intuitions now and then shoot, enkindling my fog with a
heavenly ray. And for this I thank God; for all have doubts, many
deny; but doubts or denials, few along with them, have intuitions.
Doubts of all things earthly, and intuitions of some things heavenly;
this combination makes neither believer nor infidel, but makes a man
who regards them both with equal eye."

Herman Melville 'Moby Dick'

PaulCsouls · Apr 16, 2005

On Fri, 15 Apr 2005 21:05:34 -0600, learning@learning.com wrote:

In <l7v0615uef59qlple2tm7cd7g42rgdc5ce@4ax.com>, on 04/16/05
at 02:56 AM, PaulCsouls <paulcsouls@worldnet.att.net> said:

My complaint is that there weren't enough engineers. I was looking for
todays Edisons, Einsteins and Armstrongs in this catagory. I guess the
advance of science and technology is no longer applauded but taken for
granted.

Paul,

Who are they? How about a top ten list. No fair including anyone from this
list

JB

I don't know. That's what I hoped to find out by reading the magazine.
Whoever they are their not household names. Maybe I need to start
reading different magazines.

Paul C

Dirk Bruere at Neopax · Apr 16, 2005

PaulCsouls wrote:

On Fri, 15 Apr 2005 21:05:34 -0600, learning@learning.com wrote:

In <l7v0615uef59qlple2tm7cd7g42rgdc5ce@4ax.com>, on 04/16/05
at 02:56 AM, PaulCsouls <paulcsouls@worldnet.att.net> said:

My complaint is that there weren't enough engineers. I was looking for
todays Edisons, Einsteins and Armstrongs in this catagory. I guess the
advance of science and technology is no longer applauded but taken for
granted.

Paul,

Who are they? How about a top ten list. No fair including anyone from this
list

JB

I don't know. That's what I hoped to find out by reading the magazine.
Whoever they are their not household names. Maybe I need to start
reading different magazines.

Kurtzweil?

Dirk

The Consensus:-
The political party for the new millenium
http://www.theconsensus.org

John Larkin · Apr 16, 2005

On Sat, 16 Apr 2005 03:14:16 GMT, PaulCsouls
<paulcsouls@worldnet.att.net> wrote:

On Thu, 14 Apr 2005 20:58:35 -0700, Jim Thompson
thegreatone@example.com> wrote:

"TIME" is a liberal weenie magazine... WHY do you read it at all?

...Jim Thompson

Same reason I read the San Francisco Chronicle. I like to disagree. It
gives me the illusion I can think for myself. What use are opinions if
you don't challenge them. Besides I've been known to be wrong.

Paul C

But the Chron is fluff, and thin fluff at that. When they bought and
sold off their only competitor, the Examiner ("sold" it for negative
25 million dollars!), they said it would give them the resources to
become a "world-class newspaper". What it actually did was allow them
to strip the content and become a monopoly whose prime function is to
distribute pounds of flyers for Home Depot and Target and SUV
dealerships.

And their cartoonist, Meyer, is moronic and disgusting. Today's Home
and Garden section features a plot of "plants" consisting of hunks of
shrapnel from Lebanon welded to titanium alloy stalks.

The San Jose Mercury News is a seriously good newspaper.

John

Jim Thompson · Apr 16, 2005

On Sat, 16 Apr 2005 12:28:13 -0700, John Larkin
<jjlarkin@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:

On Sat, 16 Apr 2005 03:14:16 GMT, PaulCsouls
paulcsouls@worldnet.att.net> wrote:

On Thu, 14 Apr 2005 20:58:35 -0700, Jim Thompson
thegreatone@example.com> wrote:

"TIME" is a liberal weenie magazine... WHY do you read it at all?

...Jim Thompson

Same reason I read the San Francisco Chronicle. I like to disagree. It
gives me the illusion I can think for myself. What use are opinions if
you don't challenge them. Besides I've been known to be wrong.

Paul C

But the Chron is fluff, and thin fluff at that. When they bought and
sold off their only competitor, the Examiner ("sold" it for negative
25 million dollars!), they said it would give them the resources to
become a "world-class newspaper". What it actually did was allow them
to strip the content and become a monopoly whose prime function is to
distribute pounds of flyers for Home Depot and Target and SUV
dealerships.

And their cartoonist, Meyer, is moronic and disgusting. Today's Home
and Garden section features a plot of "plants" consisting of hunks of
shrapnel from Lebanon welded to titanium alloy stalks.

The San Jose Mercury News is a seriously good newspaper.

John

I read two different newspapers here every morning... on the left, the
Arizona Republic, and becoming more left every day... on the right,
the Tribune.

But the first order of business is to hold each by a fold edge and
shake out the flyers and ad-inserts... probably 4X the "news" :-(

...Jim Thompson
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PaulCsouls · Apr 16, 2005

On Sat, 16 Apr 2005 12:28:13 -0700, John Larkin
<jjlarkin@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:

On Sat, 16 Apr 2005 03:14:16 GMT, PaulCsouls
paulcsouls@worldnet.att.net> wrote:

On Thu, 14 Apr 2005 20:58:35 -0700, Jim Thompson
thegreatone@example.com> wrote:

"TIME" is a liberal weenie magazine... WHY do you read it at all?

...Jim Thompson

Same reason I read the San Francisco Chronicle. I like to disagree. It
gives me the illusion I can think for myself. What use are opinions if
you don't challenge them. Besides I've been known to be wrong.

Paul C

But the Chron is fluff, and thin fluff at that. When they bought and
sold off their only competitor, the Examiner ("sold" it for negative
25 million dollars!), they said it would give them the resources to
become a "world-class newspaper". What it actually did was allow them
to strip the content and become a monopoly whose prime function is to
distribute pounds of flyers for Home Depot and Target and SUV
dealerships.

And their cartoonist, Meyer, is moronic and disgusting. Today's Home
and Garden section features a plot of "plants" consisting of hunks of
shrapnel from Lebanon welded to titanium alloy stalks.

The San Jose Mercury News is a seriously good newspaper.

John

You can't beat the price at $25.00 for a year of Friday, Saturday and
Sunday. And the titanium alloy plants are neat. They wilt when the sun
goes down and stand up straight in sunlight. They also had
instructions for cooking garden snails. The other newspaper here is
the Tri-Valley Herald and I'd have to take the whole week. I don't
think I can get delivery of the San Jose Mercury in Dublin.

Paul C

John Larkin · Apr 17, 2005

On Thu, 14 Apr 2005 20:58:35 -0700, Jim Thompson
<thegreatone@example.com> wrote:

"TIME" is a liberal weenie magazine... WHY do you read it at all?

...Jim Thompson

Hey, Jim,

check this!

http://www.drudgereport.com/flash1.htm

John

Jim Thompson · Apr 17, 2005

On Sun, 17 Apr 2005 06:13:07 -0700, John Larkin
<jjlarkin@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:

On Thu, 14 Apr 2005 20:58:35 -0700, Jim Thompson
thegreatone@example.com> wrote:

"TIME" is a liberal weenie magazine... WHY do you read it at all?

...Jim Thompson

Hey, Jim,

check this!

http://www.drudgereport.com/flash1.htm

John

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| E-mail Address at Website Fax

Mac · Apr 17, 2005

On Sat, 16 Apr 2005 02:56:11 +0000, PaulCsouls wrote:

On Fri, 15 Apr 2005 18:54:53 +0100, Dirk Bruere at Neopax
dirk@neopax.com> wrote:

Rob Gaddi wrote:

PaulCsouls wrote:

And it's cooked. When I got this magazine I turned to this section
first, expecting to find scientists. You know people working on dark
matter, string theory, new cures . Instead I find some stupid liberal
art majors reading list. No wonder kids don't go into science any
more. Its not treated as important.

Paul C

At least Rutan made the list. Thank god all it takes is something as
trivial as successfully launching yourself into space.

IMHO Rutan is an engineer - not a scientist.
Maybe they caught him dressed in a suit instead of coveralls and carrying a
greasy spanner.

My complaint is that there weren't enough engineers. I was looking for
todays Edisons, Einsteins and Armstrongs in this catagory. I guess the
advance of science and technology is no longer applauded but taken for
granted.

Paul C

Einstein was NOT an engineer. At all.

--Mac

PaulCsouls · Apr 17, 2005

On Sun, 17 Apr 2005 17:21:36 GMT, Mac <foo@bar.net> wrote:

On Sat, 16 Apr 2005 02:56:11 +0000, PaulCsouls wrote:

On Fri, 15 Apr 2005 18:54:53 +0100, Dirk Bruere at Neopax
dirk@neopax.com> wrote:

Rob Gaddi wrote:

PaulCsouls wrote:

And it's cooked. When I got this magazine I turned to this section
first, expecting to find scientists. You know people working on dark
matter, string theory, new cures . Instead I find some stupid liberal
art majors reading list. No wonder kids don't go into science any
more. Its not treated as important.

Paul C

At least Rutan made the list. Thank god all it takes is something as
trivial as successfully launching yourself into space.

IMHO Rutan is an engineer - not a scientist.
Maybe they caught him dressed in a suit instead of coveralls and carrying a
greasy spanner.

My complaint is that there weren't enough engineers. I was looking for
todays Edisons, Einsteins and Armstrongs in this catagory. I guess the
advance of science and technology is no longer applauded but taken for
granted.

Paul C

Einstein was NOT an engineer. At all.

--Mac

Yes I know. Under the heading of Scientists & Thinkers, I expected the
people who were advancing science and engineering, not the authors on
the best selling non-fiction list.

Paul C.

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