They died for nothing

[Scott Stephens]

I hear that freedom isn't free,
but if the price hasn't been paid,
have they not died for nothing?

If my individual liberty isn't worth more than a collective whim,
did they not died for nothing?

Why fight? Why risk death? What for? Nothing?


--
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DIY Piezo-Gyro, PCB Drill Bot & More Soon!
http://home.comcast.net/~scottxs/

POLITICS, n.
A strife of interests masquerading as a contest of principles.
The conduct of public affairs for private advantage. - Ambrose Bierce

There is no giant behind the devastation of the world—only a shriveled
creature with the wizened
face of a child who is out to blow up the kitchen because he cannot
steal his cookies and eat them, too. - Ayn Rand
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[myal]

Scott Stephens wrote:

I hear that freedom isn't free,
but if the price hasn't been paid,
have they not died for nothing?

If my individual liberty isn't worth more than a collective whim,
did they not died for nothing?

Why fight? Why risk death? What for? Nothing?

You have to fight , risk death , die etc becaus your politicians , like
politicians world wide , are cowards .

Your politicians are taking your 'freedom' and telling you its foryur
own good, or else someone will come and take away your freedom......

 

[Pooh Bear]

Scott Stephens wrote:

OT post crossposting terminated

 

[Pooh Bear]

bill.sloman@ieee.org wrote:

"Freedom" and "liberty" are empty words. You can only usefully talk
about someone becoming free (or acquring the liberty) to carry out some
activity that was previously impossible or or forbidden

Start thinking about who was to be freed to do what, and you might be
able to come up with a question worth answering.

Why bother even answering this troll ?


Graham

 

[Mysterion]

"Scott Stephens" <scottxs@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:2N6dne9T6cm2jcPfRVn-3w@comcast.com...

I hear that freedom isn't free,
but if the price hasn't been paid,
have they not died for nothing?

If my individual liberty isn't worth more than a collective whim,
did they not died for nothing?

Why fight? Why risk death? What for? Nothing?

Its better than being a slave.

 

[martin griffith]

On Thu, 14 Apr 2005 09:40:49 +0100, in sci.electronics.design Pooh
Bear <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote:

OT post crossposting terminated

How do you do that?

martin

"Wales is a big welsh-shaped rain collection device"

 

[Pooh Bear]

Mysterion wrote:

"Scott Stephens" <scottxs@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:2N6dne9T6cm2jcPfRVn-3w@comcast.com...
I hear that freedom isn't free,
but if the price hasn't been paid,
have they not died for nothing?

If my individual liberty isn't worth more than a collective whim,
did they not died for nothing?

Why fight? Why risk death? What for? Nothing?

Its better than being a slave.

Stick this in your own ng !


Graham

 

[John Woodgate]

I read in sci.electronics.design that bill.sloman@ieee.org wrote (in
<1113490225.325244.210970@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com&gt about 'They
died for nothing', on Thu, 14 Apr 2005:

Foolish of me, I know, but I retain the illusion that some human beings
are capable of improvement.

Have you improved recently, and, if so, in what way?

Answer must be limited to 10 kB maximum.
--
Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only.
There are two sides to every question, except
'What is a Moebius strip?'
http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk Also see http://www.isce.org.uk

 

On 14 Apr 2005 06:51:18 -0700, "Halcitron" <halcitron@aol.com> wrote:

Scott Stephens wrote:
I hear that freedom isn't free,
but if the price hasn't been paid,
have they not died for nothing?


The price of freedom, is the blood of those who fought and died for it,
and the civilians caught in the crossfire, and collateral damage.

If my individual liberty isn't worth more than a collective whim,
did they not died for nothing?

Your individual liberty is worth more than you place a value on it.

Why fight?

Glory, honor, country, make the other guy die.

Glory, honor, country ? Is that enough?

Why risk death?

It is worth it.

It is? Are you risking your life, or is it worth it to you if it is
someone else?

What for? Nothing?

More than you will appreciate.

A few questions:
Have you ever served in the military? I doubt you were.

I was

How long were you in? I doubt you were in long.

How long is long? However many years you were is long enough I
imagine, anything less is not. Right?

What was your job specialty?

What's that matter?

Where did you go? I doubt you have not traveled much.

So you did? What did you learn? That glory, honor, and country is
enough reason to kill brown people?

Hal

:/

 

[Scott Stephens]

myal wrote:

You have to fight , risk death , die etc becaus your politicians , like
politicians world wide , are cowards .

Yes, they are predators dependent on their prey for their pathetic lives.

Your politicians are taking your 'freedom' and telling you its foryur
own good, or else someone will come and take away your freedom......

Yes, thats what I was thinking, trying to say. Thanks.

Scott

--
**********************************

DIY Piezo-Gyro, PCB Drill Bot & More Soon!
http://home.comcast.net/~scottxs/

POLITICS, n.
A strife of interests masquerading as a contest of principles.
The conduct of public affairs for private advantage. - Ambrose Bierce

There is no giant behind the devastation of the world—only a shriveled
creature with the wizened
face of a child who is out to blow up the kitchen because he cannot
steal his cookies and eat them, too. - Ayn Rand
**********************************

 

[Scott Stephens]

Mysterion wrote:

"Scott Stephens" <scottxs@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:2N6dne9T6cm2jcPfRVn-3w@comcast.com...

I hear that freedom isn't free,
but if the price hasn't been paid,
have they not died for nothing?

If my individual liberty isn't worth more than a collective whim,
did they not died for nothing?

Why fight? Why risk death? What for? Nothing?


Its better than being a slave.

At what cost? Slavery to master A to avoid serving master B?

Scott

--
**********************************

DIY Piezo-Gyro, PCB Drill Bot & More Soon!
http://home.comcast.net/~scottxs/

POLITICS, n.
A strife of interests masquerading as a contest of principles.
The conduct of public affairs for private advantage. - Ambrose Bierce

There is no giant behind the devastation of the world—only a shriveled
creature with the wizened
face of a child who is out to blow up the kitchen because he cannot
steal his cookies and eat them, too. - Ayn Rand
**********************************

 

[Scott Stephens]

Halcitron wrote:

Your individual liberty is worth more than you place a value on it.

Why risk death?

It is worth it.

What for? Nothing?

More than you will appreciate.

A few questions:
Have you ever served in the military? I doubt you were.

Nope.

How long were you in? I doubt you were in long.

What was your job specialty?

Where did you go? I doubt you have not traveled much.

I've traveled further in spirit than I ever could in body. And seen too
much deceit, foolishness and wasted sacrifice for the unworthy.

I've heard some Vietnam veterans describe their war as a tragic farce,
others say it was a noble effort and at least demonstrated the
communists would pay a price for their conquests.

But I was thinking of a different war, an economic war, being waged by
the government against the citizens its suppose to serve, with fiat
currency and corrupt regulations.

Scott

--
**********************************

DIY Piezo-Gyro, PCB Drill Bot & More Soon!
http://home.comcast.net/~scottxs/

POLITICS, n.
A strife of interests masquerading as a contest of principles.
The conduct of public affairs for private advantage. - Ambrose Bierce

There is no giant behind the devastation of the world—only a shriveled
creature with the wizened
face of a child who is out to blow up the kitchen because he cannot
steal his cookies and eat them, too. - Ayn Rand
**********************************

 

[John Woodgate]

I read in sci.electronics.design that hal@nospam.com wrote (in
<q53t51de5loalpm1lkk6ov821o9vl6nept@4ax.com&gt about 'They died for
nothing', on Thu, 14 Apr 2005:

That glory, honor, and country is enough reason to kill brown people?

That's prejudice. Who cares what colour they are?
--
Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only.
There are two sides to every question, except
'What is a Moebius strip?'
http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk Also see http://www.isce.org.uk

 

[Genome]

"John Woodgate" <jmw@jmwa.demon.contraspam.yuk> wrote in message
news:8jFrwdfF1oXCFwvN@jmwa.demon.co.uk...

I read in sci.electronics.design that bill.sloman@ieee.org wrote (in
1113490225.325244.210970@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com&gt about 'They
died for nothing', on Thu, 14 Apr 2005:

Foolish of me, I know, but I retain the illusion that some human beings
are capable of improvement.

Have you improved recently, and, if so, in what way?

Answer must be limited to 10 kB maximum.
--
Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only.
There are two sides to every question, except
'What is a Moebius strip?'
http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk Also see http://www.isce.org.uk

It is a question that should not be asked. If you think about it then you
become lost in the morass.

There, I, through maturity and experience, have become lost.

I used to be a nafe. I still am, but my experience of others has taught me
better.

Please, I understand now. The human race is there to be harvested. Just stop
fucking with my head.

DNA

 

[Precious Pup]

bill.sloman@ieee.org wrote:

"Freedom" and "liberty" are empty words.

That just means you another in an army of morons that doesn't even know
what it is.

You can only usefully talk
about someone becoming free (or acquring the liberty) to carry out some
activity that was previously impossible or or forbidden

No wonder you say the words are meaningless: you confuse them with
power.

Start thinking about who was to be
freed to do what, and you might be
able to come up with a question worth answering.

What a muddled dipshit you are. You're the last person capable of
answering any question regarding liberty.

 

[Precious Pup]

bill.sloman@ieee.org wrote:

The depressing thing is that Scott Stephens doesn't seem to see himself
as a troll.

And that you don't see yourself as a dumbass.

Ever now and then I sucumb to the delusion that if he could be
persuaded to ask well-posed questions, he might get sensible answers,

Maybe so, but never from you.

and graduate from the intellectual dregs of the knee-jerk right-wingers
into the underclass of the politically ignorant right-wingers.

Dumbass,

He's likely not a "right-winger."

Probably:
http://www.theadvocates.org/quiz-score/draw.php?p=10&e=10

You're a statist idiot, so no wonder you don't understand his point of
view.
http://www.theadvocates.org/quiz-score/draw.php

Foolish of me, I know, but I retain the illusion that some human beings
are capable of improvement.

I have no illusions about you.

 

[myal]

Halcitron wrote:

hal@nospam.com wrote:

On 14 Apr 2005 06:51:18 -0700, "Halcitron" <halcitron@aol.com> wrote:


Scott Stephens wrote:

I hear that freedom isn't free,
but if the price hasn't been paid,
have they not died for nothing?


The price of freedom, is the blood of those who fought and died for

it,

and the civilians caught in the crossfire, and collateral damage.


If my individual liberty isn't worth more than a collective whim,
did they not died for nothing?

Your individual liberty is worth more than you place a value on it.


Why fight?

Glory, honor, country, make the other guy die.

Glory, honor, country ? Is that enough?


Why risk death?

It is worth it.

It is? Are you risking your life, or is it worth it to you if it is
someone else?


What for? Nothing?

More than you will appreciate.

A few questions:
Have you ever served in the military? I doubt you were.

I was


How long were you in? I doubt you were in long.

How long is long? However many years you were is long enough I
imagine, anything less is not. Right?



20 yeard voluntary enlisment 1972 to 1992



What was your job specialty?

What's that matter?


Where did you go? I doubt you have not traveled much.

So you did? What did you learn? That glory, honor, and country is
enough reason to kill brown people?



Anybody who threatened the US Constitution.

Politicians.... you didnt kill enough of them .

Hal


:/

 

[Precious Pup]

Halcitron wrote:

So you did? What did you learn? That glory, honor, and country is
enough reason to kill brown people?


Anybody who threatened the US Constitution.

Be careful what you're saying, politicians, bureaucrats, and federal
(really more national) judges won't appreciate you hunting them.

 

[Keith Williams]

In article <a9jCX8ocrrXCFwbZ@jmwa.demon.co.uk>,
jmw@jmwa.demon.contraspam.yuk says...

I read in sci.electronics.design that hal@nospam.com wrote (in
q53t51de5loalpm1lkk6ov821o9vl6nept@4ax.com&gt about 'They died for
nothing', on Thu, 14 Apr 2005:

That glory, honor, and country is enough reason to kill brown people?

That's prejudice. Who cares what colour they are?

The left. &Brown_people. aren't ready for democracy or individual
responsibility.

--
Keith

 

[Bill Sloman]

"Precious Pup" <beavis@butthead.net> schreef in bericht
news:425F2F53.62B8AE3C@butthead.net...

bill.sloman@ieee.org wrote:

The depressing thing is that Scott Stephens doesn't seem to see himself
as a troll.

And that you don't see yourself as a dumbass.

Ever now and then I sucumb to the delusion that if he could be
persuaded to ask well-posed questions, he might get sensible answers,

Maybe so, but never from you.

and graduate from the intellectual dregs of the knee-jerk right-wingers
into the underclass of the politically ignorant right-wingers.

Dumbass,

He's likely not a "right-winger."

Probably:
http://www.theadvocates.org/quiz-score/draw.php?p=10&e=10

You're a statist idiot, so no wonder you don't understand his point of
view.

Precocious Pup suffers from the delusion that because we can't see that he
is a twelve-year-old, he can get away with mixing it with grown-ups.

He gives himself away fairly obviously, by the childish repetition of a
single abusive description - "dumbass" - and by his incapacity to support
his propostion by reasoned argument. As a juvenile right-winger, he fails to
see Scott Stephens as one more of the same, and thinks that I should be
using some different (if similarly broad-brush) classification scheme, which
happens to have captured his puerile enthusiasm.

Maybe he will grow up to become a reasonable adult, to be embarrassed by his
childish lapses. Many don't.

--------
Bill Sloman, Nijmegen