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We’re about to find out what happens next. Unprecedented Atlantic Ocean heating and El Niño in the Pacific are pushing the climate into uncharted territory.

NOAA is saying the eastern Atlantic off Africa where the hurricanes start to form is 80oF.

https://www.vox.com/climate/23762529/atlantic-ocean-record-heat-wave-el-nino-hurricane-climate-change

James Hansen recently wrote a summary paper on the most recent data analysis revealing global warming is accelerating, no trending to it but accelerating. Looks like the Earth is heading for 10oC rise before the end of the century. Two generations max.
 
On 2023-06-16 14:10, Fred Bloggs wrote:
We’re about to find out what happens next. Unprecedented Atlantic
Ocean heating and El Niño in the Pacific are pushing the climate into
uncharted territory.

NOAA is saying the eastern Atlantic off Africa where the hurricanes
start to form is 80oF.

https://www.vox.com/climate/23762529/atlantic-ocean-record-heat-wave-el-nino-hurricane-climate-change

James Hansen recently wrote a summary paper on the most recent data
analysis revealing global warming is accelerating, no trending to it
but accelerating. Looks like the Earth is heading for 10oC rise
before the end of the century. Two generations max.
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\"The time has come, the Walrus said,
to talk of many things;
Of shoes and ships and sealing wax
and cabbages and kings;
And why the sea is boiling hot;
And whether pigs have wings.\"


Cheers

Phil Hobbs
 
On Fri, 16 Jun 2023 11:10:30 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
<bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com> wrote:

>We’re about to find out what happens next. Unprecedented Atlantic Ocean heating and El Niño in the Pacific are pushing the climate into uncharted territory.

Err, all chaotic systems are uncharted territory.

NOAA is saying the eastern Atlantic off Africa where the hurricanes start to form is 80oF.

https://www.vox.com/climate/23762529/atlantic-ocean-record-heat-wave-el-nino-hurricane-climate-change

James Hansen recently wrote a summary paper on the most recent data analysis revealing global warming is accelerating, no trending to it but accelerating. Looks like the Earth is heading for 10oC rise before the end of the century. Two generations max.
Click to expand...

\"The West Side Highway will be under water\"


There is a debate amongst climatologosts, per an article in the local
paper, as to whether the upcoming El Nino will be a warm one or a cold
one, wet or dry.

As usual, pages of pontificating boil down to \"we\'ll have to wait and
see.\" That\'s the hedge when a prediction can soon be verified. Long
term speculations can be much wilder and attention-getting.

People here surf in wet suits or die.
 
On Friday, June 16, 2023 at 12:25:02 PM UTC-7, John Larkin wrote:
On Fri, 16 Jun 2023 11:10:30 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:

We’re about to find out what happens next. Unprecedented Atlantic Ocean heating and El Niño in the Pacific are pushing the climate into uncharted territory.
Err, all chaotic systems are uncharted territory.
Click to expand...

False. Every study of turbulence (like in auto windtunnel tests, or heatsink/fan work)
is of a chaotic system, and it\'s a statistical study because of that. But, your heatsinks work
as expected, because seconds-scale heatflow averages aren\'t the chaotic element, only the spatial
airflow-versus-time details are chaotic.
 
On Fri, 16 Jun 2023 14:58:56 -0700 (PDT), whit3rd <whit3rd@gmail.com>
wrote:

On Friday, June 16, 2023 at 12:25:02?PM UTC-7, John Larkin wrote:
On Fri, 16 Jun 2023 11:10:30 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:

We’re about to find out what happens next. Unprecedented Atlantic Ocean heating and El Niño in the Pacific are pushing the climate into uncharted territory.
Err, all chaotic systems are uncharted territory.

False. Every study of turbulence (like in auto windtunnel tests, or heatsink/fan work)
is of a chaotic system, and it\'s a statistical study because of that.
Click to expand...

Exactly. You can\'t predict the pressure at a given point 10 minutes
from now. Or 10,000 years.
 
On Friday, June 16, 2023 at 4:50:53 PM UTC-7, John Larkin wrote:
On Fri, 16 Jun 2023 14:58:56 -0700 (PDT), whit3rd <whi...@gmail.com
wrote:
On Friday, June 16, 2023 at 12:25:02?PM UTC-7, John Larkin wrote:
On Fri, 16 Jun 2023 11:10:30 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:

We’re about to find out what happens next. Unprecedented Atlantic Ocean heating and El Niño in the Pacific are pushing the climate into uncharted territory.
Err, all chaotic systems are uncharted territory.

False. Every study of turbulence (like in auto windtunnel tests, or heatsink/fan work)
is of a chaotic system, and it\'s a statistical study because of that.
Exactly. You can\'t predict the pressure at a given point 10 minutes
from now. Or 10,000 years.
Click to expand...

Or at all.
Because gas is a bunch of particles banging into things to cause pressure,
you can\'t DEFINE the pressure at a given point in space and time. There\'s a reason
we measure \'pounds per square inch\': it takes an AREA not a position (which is all a point is).
Heatsinking, though, doesn\'t require that detail except for point particles in a cyclotron.
 
On Friday, June 16, 2023 at 12:10:35 PM UTC-6, Fred Bloggs wrote:
We’re about to find out what happens next. Unprecedented Atlantic Ocean heating and El Niño in the Pacific are pushing the climate into uncharted territory.

NOAA is saying the eastern Atlantic off Africa where the hurricanes start to form is 80oF.

https://www.vox.com/climate/23762529/atlantic-ocean-record-heat-wave-el-nino-hurricane-climate-change

James Hansen recently wrote a summary paper on the most recent data analysis revealing global warming is accelerating, no trending to it but accelerating. Looks like the Earth is heading for 10oC rise before the end of the century. Two generations max.
Click to expand...

Hansen is a PROVEN alarmist and has ZERO credibility.
 
On Saturday, June 17, 2023 at 5:25:02 AM UTC+10, John Larkin wrote:
On Fri, 16 Jun 2023 11:10:30 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:

We’re about to find out what happens next. Unprecedented Atlantic Ocean heating and El Niño in the Pacific are pushing the climate into uncharted territory.

Err, all chaotic systems are uncharted territory.
Click to expand...

Weather is chaotic. Climate isn\'t.

NOAA is saying the eastern Atlantic off Africa where the hurricanes start to form is 80oF.

https://www.vox.com/climate/23762529/atlantic-ocean-record-heat-wave-el-nino-hurricane-climate-change

James Hansen recently wrote a summary paper on the most recent data analysis revealing global warming is accelerating, no trending to it but accelerating. Looks like the Earth is heading for 10oC rise before the end of the century. Two generations max.
Click to expand...

Fred Bloggs does go in for mindless exaggeration.

> \"The West Side Highway will be under water\"

It was - briefly - during hurricane Sandy. That\'s how sea level rise works

> There is a debate amongst climatologists, per an article in the local paper, as to whether the upcoming El Nino will be a warm one or a cold one, wet or dry.

They were talking about the effect on California. In Australia the effect is drought. California is a bit further away from the relevant bits of the Pacific Ocean

> As usual, pages of pontificating boil down to \"we\'ll have to wait and see.\" That\'s the hedge when a prediction can soon be verified. Long term speculations can be much wilder and attention-getting.

And Fred does a lot of that

> People here surf in wet suits or die.

So what. You are quite a long way from the equator, where the El Nino hot-spots peak.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney
 
On Saturday, June 17, 2023 at 9:50:53 AM UTC+10, John Larkin wrote:
On Fri, 16 Jun 2023 14:58:56 -0700 (PDT), whit3rd <whi...@gmail.com
wrote:
On Friday, June 16, 2023 at 12:25:02?PM UTC-7, John Larkin wrote:
On Fri, 16 Jun 2023 11:10:30 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:

We’re about to find out what happens next. Unprecedented Atlantic Ocean heating and El Niño in the Pacific are pushing the climate into uncharted territory.
Err, all chaotic systems are uncharted territory.

False. Every study of turbulence (like in auto windtunnel tests, or heatsink/fan work)
is of a chaotic system, and it\'s a statistical study because of that.
Exactly. You can\'t predict the pressure at a given point 10 minutes
from now. Or 10,000 years.
Click to expand...

But you can predict long term averages pretty exactly,

That\'s the difference between weather and climate.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney
 
On Saturday, June 17, 2023 at 1:34:18 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
On Friday, June 16, 2023 at 12:10:35 PM UTC-6, Fred Bloggs wrote:
We’re about to find out what happens next. Unprecedented Atlantic Ocean heating and El Niño in the Pacific are pushing the climate into uncharted territory.

NOAA is saying the eastern Atlantic off Africa where the hurricanes start to form is 80oF.

https://www.vox.com/climate/23762529/atlantic-ocean-record-heat-wave-el-nino-hurricane-climate-change

James Hansen recently wrote a summary paper on the most recent data analysis revealing global warming is accelerating, no trending to it but accelerating. Looks like the Earth is heading for 10oC rise before the end of the century. Two generations max.

Hansen is a PROVEN alarmist and has ZERO credibility.
Click to expand...

Sewage Sweeper is a proven half-wit, and his ideas abut other people\'s credibility illustrate the fact than he hasn\'t got any if his own.

In this particular case Fred Bloggs is over-interpreting what James Hansen actually said, so the criticism - such as it is - should be directed at Fred.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney
 
On Friday, June 16, 2023 at 3:25:02 PM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
On Fri, 16 Jun 2023 11:10:30 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:

We’re about to find out what happens next. Unprecedented Atlantic Ocean heating and El Niño in the Pacific are pushing the climate into uncharted territory.
Err, all chaotic systems are uncharted territory.

NOAA is saying the eastern Atlantic off Africa where the hurricanes start to form is 80oF.

https://www.vox.com/climate/23762529/atlantic-ocean-record-heat-wave-el-nino-hurricane-climate-change

James Hansen recently wrote a summary paper on the most recent data analysis revealing global warming is accelerating, no trending to it but accelerating. Looks like the Earth is heading for 10oC rise before the end of the century. Two generations max.
\"The West Side Highway will be under water\"


There is a debate amongst climatologosts, per an article in the local
paper, as to whether the upcoming El Nino will be a warm one or a cold
one, wet or dry.

As usual, pages of pontificating boil down to \"we\'ll have to wait and
see.\" That\'s the hedge when a prediction can soon be verified. Long
term speculations can be much wilder and attention-getting.
Click to expand...

Hansen does not pontificate, he\'s strictly a science and data type, and he\'s not easy to understand because he pulls his interpretation of the readings from a very wide range of the science. He hopes he\'s wrong about this latest acceleration of the warming. See his most recent communication:

Recent Communications
June 14, 2023: El Nino and Global Warming Acceleration

at his webpage:

http://www.columbia.edu/~jeh1/

People here surf in wet suits or die.
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On Saturday, June 17, 2023 at 1:52:16 AM UTC-4, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
On Saturday, June 17, 2023 at 1:34:18 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
On Friday, June 16, 2023 at 12:10:35 PM UTC-6, Fred Bloggs wrote:
We’re about to find out what happens next. Unprecedented Atlantic Ocean heating and El Niño in the Pacific are pushing the climate into uncharted territory.

NOAA is saying the eastern Atlantic off Africa where the hurricanes start to form is 80oF.

https://www.vox.com/climate/23762529/atlantic-ocean-record-heat-wave-el-nino-hurricane-climate-change

James Hansen recently wrote a summary paper on the most recent data analysis revealing global warming is accelerating, no trending to it but accelerating. Looks like the Earth is heading for 10oC rise before the end of the century. Two generations max.

Hansen is a PROVEN alarmist and has ZERO credibility.
Sewage Sweeper is a proven half-wit, and his ideas abut other people\'s credibility illustrate the fact than he hasn\'t got any if his own.

In this particular case Fred Bloggs is over-interpreting what James Hansen actually said, so the criticism - such as it is - should be directed at Fred.
Click to expand...

http://www.columbia.edu/~jeh1/mailings/2023/ElNino2023.14June2023.pdf

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney
Click to expand...
 
On Friday, June 16, 2023 at 11:34:18 PM UTC-4, Flyguy wrote:
On Friday, June 16, 2023 at 12:10:35 PM UTC-6, Fred Bloggs wrote:
We’re about to find out what happens next. Unprecedented Atlantic Ocean heating and El Niño in the Pacific are pushing the climate into uncharted territory.

NOAA is saying the eastern Atlantic off Africa where the hurricanes start to form is 80oF.

https://www.vox.com/climate/23762529/atlantic-ocean-record-heat-wave-el-nino-hurricane-climate-change

James Hansen recently wrote a summary paper on the most recent data analysis revealing global warming is accelerating, no trending to it but accelerating. Looks like the Earth is heading for 10oC rise before the end of the century. Two generations max.
Hansen is a PROVEN alarmist and has ZERO credibility.
Click to expand...

Well of course anyone who tells world leaders the very basis for global economy, energy production, is in need of radical change and replacement, is going to considered a nutcase.

Hansen should be your kind of guy. He\'s very critical of politicians, the UN and the IPCC. It\'s just that his criticism is for reasons opposite to yours, and is much better grounded in rational thought and science.
 
On Saturday, June 17, 2023 at 9:51:00 PM UTC+10, Fred Bloggs wrote:
On Saturday, June 17, 2023 at 1:52:16 AM UTC-4, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
On Saturday, June 17, 2023 at 1:34:18 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
On Friday, June 16, 2023 at 12:10:35 PM UTC-6, Fred Bloggs wrote:
We’re about to find out what happens next. Unprecedented Atlantic Ocean heating and El Niño in the Pacific are pushing the climate into uncharted territory.

NOAA is saying the eastern Atlantic off Africa where the hurricanes start to form is 80oF.

https://www.vox.com/climate/23762529/atlantic-ocean-record-heat-wave-el-nino-hurricane-climate-change

James Hansen recently wrote a summary paper on the most recent data analysis revealing global warming is accelerating, no trending to it but accelerating. Looks like the Earth is heading for 10oC rise before the end of the century. Two generations max.

Hansen is a PROVEN alarmist and has ZERO credibility.
Sewage Sweeper is a proven half-wit, and his ideas abut other people\'s credibility illustrate the fact than he hasn\'t got any if his own.

In this particular case Fred Bloggs is over-interpreting what James Hansen actually said, so the criticism - such as it is - should be directed at Fred.

http://www.columbia.edu/~jeh1/mailings/2023/ElNino2023.14June2023.pdf
Click to expand...

James Hansen limited his straight line extrapolations to 2050. Your extrapolation to the end of the century is all your own work.

One of the nastier things that could happen would be for the Greenland ice sheet to start sliding off into the ocean in large chunks - dumping enough fresh water into the Atlantic to stop the Gulf Stream which would freeze northern Europe and the east coast of America. There was a film about it - which wasn\'t exactly realistic, but that doesn\'t mean that it isn\'t going to happen. It did happen - the Younger Dryas - at the end of the most recent ice age. Your straight line extrapolation doesn\'t pick that up.

If you want to be an alarmist, try to do it right, rather than stretching imaginary straight lines that little bit further.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney
 
On Fri, 16 Jun 2023 20:34:13 -0700 (PDT), Flyguy
<soar2morrow@yahoo.com> wrote:

On Friday, June 16, 2023 at 12:10:35?PM UTC-6, Fred Bloggs wrote:
We’re about to find out what happens next. Unprecedented Atlantic Ocean heating and El Niño in the Pacific are pushing the climate into uncharted territory.

NOAA is saying the eastern Atlantic off Africa where the hurricanes start to form is 80oF.

https://www.vox.com/climate/23762529/atlantic-ocean-record-heat-wave-el-nino-hurricane-climate-change

James Hansen recently wrote a summary paper on the most recent data analysis revealing global warming is accelerating, no trending to it but accelerating. Looks like the Earth is heading for 10oC rise before the end of the century. Two generations max.

Hansen is a PROVEN alarmist and has ZERO credibility.
Click to expand...

He\'s sincere, but he\'s wrong.
 
On Friday, 16 June 2023 at 20:10:35 UTC+2, Fred Bloggs wrote:
We’re about to find out what happens next. Unprecedented Atlantic Ocean heating and El Niño in the Pacific are pushing the climate into uncharted territory.

NOAA is saying the eastern Atlantic off Africa where the hurricanes start to form is 80oF.

https://www.vox.com/climate/23762529/atlantic-ocean-record-heat-wave-el-nino-hurricane-climate-change

James Hansen recently wrote a summary paper on the most recent data analysis revealing global warming is accelerating, no trending to it but accelerating. Looks like the Earth is heading for 10oC rise before the end of the century. Two generations max.
Click to expand...

an old global warning fake by Fred
abolished by Nobel Prize winner from Japan

Short term climate changes (3-months, 6-months, 12-months)
are due to fluctuations in solar activity as studied by NOAA, NASA,
by Parker Solar Probe

NASA Citizen Scientist
 
On Sunday, June 18, 2023 at 12:33:08 AM UTC+10, John Larkin wrote:
On Fri, 16 Jun 2023 20:34:13 -0700 (PDT), Flyguy
soar2...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Friday, June 16, 2023 at 12:10:35?PM UTC-6, Fred Bloggs wrote:
We’re about to find out what happens next. Unprecedented Atlantic Ocean heating and El Niño in the Pacific are pushing the climate into uncharted territory.

NOAA is saying the eastern Atlantic off Africa where the hurricanes start to form is 80oF.

https://www.vox.com/climate/23762529/atlantic-ocean-record-heat-wave-el-nino-hurricane-climate-change

James Hansen recently wrote a summary paper on the most recent data analysis revealing global warming is accelerating, no trending to it but accelerating. Looks like the Earth is heading for 10oC rise before the end of the century. Two generations max.

Hansen is a PROVEN alarmist and has ZERO credibility.

He\'s sincere, but he\'s wrong.
Click to expand...

In John Larkin\'s rather inexpert opinion. His citation rates suggest that more expert opinion thinks that he is probably right.

Science works pretty well at identifying the more plausible hypotheses. John Larkin, Cursitor Doom and Flyguy don\'t know much about science, but they know exactly which demented conspiracy theory they find most attractive.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney
 
On Sunday, June 18, 2023 at 12:52:30 AM UTC+10, a a wrote:
On Friday, 16 June 2023 at 20:10:35 UTC+2, Fred Bloggs wrote:
We’re about to find out what happens next. Unprecedented Atlantic Ocean heating and El Niño in the Pacific are pushing the climate into uncharted territory.

NOAA is saying the eastern Atlantic off Africa where the hurricanes start to form is 80oF.

https://www.vox.com/climate/23762529/atlantic-ocean-record-heat-wave-el-nino-hurricane-climate-change

James Hansen recently wrote a summary paper on the most recent data analysis revealing global warming is accelerating, no trending to it but accelerating. Looks like the Earth is heading for 10oC rise before the end of the century. Two generations max.

an old global warning fake by Fred
abolished by Nobel Prize winner from Japan
Click to expand...

Who a a can\'t name.

> Short term climate changes (3-months, 6-months, 12-months) are due to fluctuations in solar activity as studied by NOAA, NASA, by Parker Solar Probe.

That what climate change denial propaganda has tried to tell us. The only published paper that tried to push that nonsense got it\'s numbers grossly wrong, and attracted a couple of gleeful demolition comments, which the climate change denial propaganda machine choses to ignore

> NASA Citizen Scientist

Self-appointed. A a clearly isn\'t any kind of scientist as his potty claims about sunspot number make clear.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney
 
>

Darius the Dumb has posted yet one more #veryStupidByLowIQaa article.
 
On Sunday, June 18, 2023 at 1:43:53 AM UTC+10, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
On Sunday, June 18, 2023 at 12:33:08 AM UTC+10, John Larkin wrote:
On Fri, 16 Jun 2023 20:34:13 -0700 (PDT), Flyguy
soar2...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Friday, June 16, 2023 at 12:10:35?PM UTC-6, Fred Bloggs wrote:
We’re about to find out what happens next. Unprecedented Atlantic Ocean heating and El Niño in the Pacific are pushing the climate into uncharted territory.

NOAA is saying the eastern Atlantic off Africa where the hurricanes start to form is 80oF.

https://www.vox.com/climate/23762529/atlantic-ocean-record-heat-wave-el-nino-hurricane-climate-change

James Hansen recently wrote a summary paper on the most recent data analysis revealing global warming is accelerating, no trending to it but accelerating. Looks like the Earth is heading for 10oC rise before the end of the century. Two generations max.

Hansen is a PROVEN alarmist and has ZERO credibility.

He\'s sincere, but he\'s wrong.

In John Larkin\'s rather inexpert opinion. His citation rates suggest that more expert opinion thinks that he is probably right.
Click to expand...

James Hansen\'s h-index is 61. That means that his 61st most cited paper has been cited by more than 61 people. That is high.

It\'s not spectacular - some areas are busier than others and generate more citation and the record high h-index seems to be around 334 and is held by somebody I\'ve never heard of (but he is at MIT).

> Science works pretty well at identifying the more plausible hypotheses. John Larkin, Cursitor Doom and Flyguy don\'t know much about science, but they know exactly which demented conspiracy theory they find most attractive.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney
 
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