The Ukraine War Will Go On Forever...

[Mike Monett]

The Ukraine war is a spiritual war. Spiritual wars are the most dangerous.
It will go on forever.

The birthplace of the Russian Orthodoxy is Kyiv, and Putin wants it back. It
doesn\'t matter how many tanks he loses, or how many Russians are killed.

These matter in material wars, but spiritual wars are completely different.
They are not rational. Russia will find ways to get around the sanctions and
continue fighting.

Patriarch Kirill, A Former KGB Spy and Spiritual Guru is the driving force
behind Putin’s Ukraine War:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rg5_GvssAw0

Pride, patriotism and how Putin helped redefine what it means to be a \'true
Russian\'

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bItwqPQVnBs


--
MRM

 

[Phil Allison]

Mike Monett writes BULLSHIT

===============================
> The Ukraine war is a spiritual war.

** No such animal.

> It will go on forever.

** Resistance may continue for long time, if Russia takes over,

> The birthplace of the Russian Orthodoxy is Kyiv, and Putin wants it back.

** Absolute garbage.

These matter in material wars, but spiritual wars are completely different.

** Yeah - cos you made it up.

> Russia will find ways to get around the sanctions

** More absolute garbage.

Sanctions will ruin the Russian economy.
Putin will be overthrown.


....... Phil

 

[Ed Lee]

On Monday, April 18, 2022 at 10:21:27 PM UTC-7, Mike Monett wrote:

The Ukraine war is a spiritual war. Spiritual wars are the most dangerous.
It will go on forever.

The birthplace of the Russian Orthodoxy is Kyiv, and Putin wants it back. It
doesn\'t matter how many tanks he loses, or how many Russians are killed.

True believers don\'t believe in atrocity in the name of religion. Pootin is an opportunist in religion.

 

[server]

On Tue, 19 Apr 2022 05:21:20 -0000 (UTC), Mike Monett <spamme@not.com>
wrote:

The Ukraine war is a spiritual war. Spiritual wars are the most dangerous.
It will go on forever.

The birthplace of the Russian Orthodoxy is Kyiv, and Putin wants it back. It
doesn\'t matter how many tanks he loses, or how many Russians are killed.

These matter in material wars, but spiritual wars are completely different.
They are not rational. Russia will find ways to get around the sanctions and
continue fighting.

Patriarch Kirill, A Former KGB Spy and Spiritual Guru is the driving force
behind Putin’s Ukraine War:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rg5_GvssAw0

Pride, patriotism and how Putin helped redefine what it means to be a \'true
Russian\'

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bItwqPQVnBs

This is a great fork in history. Russia could crush Ukraine, hunker
down, absorb more small countries, isolate itself from the rest of
civilization, brain drain all its talent and morality, and stay poor
and barbaric for another 50 years.

Or they could disappear Putin and become european.



--

I yam what I yam - Popeye

 

[Anthony William Sloman]

On Wednesday, April 20, 2022 at 12:20:44 AM UTC+10, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

On Tue, 19 Apr 2022 05:21:20 -0000 (UTC), Mike Monett <spa...@not.com
wrote:

<snip>

> This is a great fork in history. Russia could crush Ukraine,

It hasn\'t crushed it yet, and seems to be settling for chewing off another small bit.

> hunker down, absorb more small countries,

It\'s not doing too well with the Ukraine. Trying to absorb even one more might be a bit over-ambitious.

> isolate itself from the rest of civilization,

That\'s essentially what the invasion of the Ukraine has already done.

> brain drain all its talent and morality,

It\'s talent has been selling itself on the world market for a couple of centuries now. \"Morality\" doesn\'t brain drain otherwise the US would have bought itself some moral wisdom by now.

> and stay poor and barbaric for another 50 years.

It is relatively poor, by first world standards, mainly because it is remarkably badly run. It certainly isn\'t barbaric - which originally meant no more than not speaking Greek. It is a totalitarian state at the moment, which means that the psychopaths who get to the top of heap (as they do in totalitarian societies) are free to behave remarkably badly, but they are more or less civilised crooks.

> Or they could disappear Putin and become european.

Disappearing Putin might be one small step in the process, but the US hasn\'t become European yet, and doesn\'t seem to realise that it it needs to.

Russia is even further behind the game than the US is. Not that they don\'t know where they need to get to - which the US doesn\'t seem to - but the problem of getting rid of all the greedy crooks who stand in the way is even worse there than it is in the US.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[Jan Panteltje]

On a sunny day (Tue, 19 Apr 2022 07:20:32 -0700) it happened
jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote in
<71ht5h1pk8t8eve6cj4jmir45n50ebr6pg@4ax.com>:

On Tue, 19 Apr 2022 05:21:20 -0000 (UTC), Mike Monett <spamme@not.com
wrote:

The Ukraine war is a spiritual war. Spiritual wars are the most dangerous.
It will go on forever.

The birthplace of the Russian Orthodoxy is Kyiv, and Putin wants it back. It
doesn\'t matter how many tanks he loses, or how many Russians are killed.

These matter in material wars, but spiritual wars are completely different.
They are not rational. Russia will find ways to get around the sanctions and
continue fighting.

Patriarch Kirill, A Former KGB Spy and Spiritual Guru is the driving force
behind Putin’s Ukraine War:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rg5_GvssAw0

Pride, patriotism and how Putin helped redefine what it means to be a \'true
Russian\'

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bItwqPQVnBs

This is a great fork in history. Russia could crush Ukraine, hunker
down, absorb more small countries, isolate itself from the rest of
civilization, brain drain all its talent and morality, and stay poor
and barbaric for another 50 years.

Or they could disappear Putin and become european.

Or they could nuke US and divide it up between China for the east part and Russia for the west part
FYI.

All that is required to trigger that is when byethen mistakes his red button for his toasters\'s.
Or maybe they will make the whole US an animal reserve.
Does not take much work...

 

[Ricky]

On Tuesday, April 19, 2022 at 10:56:29 AM UTC-4, Jan Panteltje wrote:

On a sunny day (Tue, 19 Apr 2022 07:20:32 -0700) it happened
jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote in
71ht5h1pk8t8eve6c...@4ax.com>:
On Tue, 19 Apr 2022 05:21:20 -0000 (UTC), Mike Monett <spa...@not.com
wrote:

The Ukraine war is a spiritual war. Spiritual wars are the most dangerous.
It will go on forever.

The birthplace of the Russian Orthodoxy is Kyiv, and Putin wants it back. It
doesn\'t matter how many tanks he loses, or how many Russians are killed..

These matter in material wars, but spiritual wars are completely different.
They are not rational. Russia will find ways to get around the sanctions and
continue fighting.

Patriarch Kirill, A Former KGB Spy and Spiritual Guru is the driving force
behind Putin’s Ukraine War:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rg5_GvssAw0

Pride, patriotism and how Putin helped redefine what it means to be a \'true
Russian\'

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bItwqPQVnBs

This is a great fork in history. Russia could crush Ukraine, hunker
down, absorb more small countries, isolate itself from the rest of
civilization, brain drain all its talent and morality, and stay poor
and barbaric for another 50 years.

Or they could disappear Putin and become european.
Or they could nuke US and divide it up between China for the east part and Russia for the west part
FYI.

All that is required to trigger that is when byethen mistakes his red button for his toasters\'s.
Or maybe they will make the whole US an animal reserve.
Does not take much work...

Yeah, I\'m sure that\'s what will happen.

From the mouth of Jan...

--

Rick C.

- Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
- Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209

 

[server]

On Tue, 19 Apr 2022 14:54:10 GMT, Jan Panteltje
<pNaonStpealmtje@yahoo.com> wrote:

On a sunny day (Tue, 19 Apr 2022 07:20:32 -0700) it happened
jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote in
71ht5h1pk8t8eve6cj4jmir45n50ebr6pg@4ax.com>:

On Tue, 19 Apr 2022 05:21:20 -0000 (UTC), Mike Monett <spamme@not.com
wrote:

The Ukraine war is a spiritual war. Spiritual wars are the most dangerous.
It will go on forever.

The birthplace of the Russian Orthodoxy is Kyiv, and Putin wants it back. It
doesn\'t matter how many tanks he loses, or how many Russians are killed.

These matter in material wars, but spiritual wars are completely different.
They are not rational. Russia will find ways to get around the sanctions and
continue fighting.

Patriarch Kirill, A Former KGB Spy and Spiritual Guru is the driving force
behind Putin’s Ukraine War:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rg5_GvssAw0

Pride, patriotism and how Putin helped redefine what it means to be a \'true
Russian\'

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bItwqPQVnBs

This is a great fork in history. Russia could crush Ukraine, hunker
down, absorb more small countries, isolate itself from the rest of
civilization, brain drain all its talent and morality, and stay poor
and barbaric for another 50 years.

Or they could disappear Putin and become european.

Or they could nuke US and divide it up between China for the east part and Russia for the west part
FYI.

That would aguably be historic too.

All that is required to trigger that is when byethen mistakes his red button for his toasters\'s.
Or maybe they will make the whole US an animal reserve.
Does not take much work...

Our back yard is a jungle already. Snakes, skunks, raccoons, possum,
coyotes, squirrels, scrub jays, hummers, junkoes (sp?), feral cats,
wild parrots, giant ravens.

A wild turkey has been spotted down in the village.




--

I yam what I yam - Popeye

 

[Dimiter_Popoff]

On 4/19/2022 17:20, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

On Tue, 19 Apr 2022 05:21:20 -0000 (UTC), Mike Monett <spamme@not.com
wrote:

The Ukraine war is a spiritual war. Spiritual wars are the most dangerous.
It will go on forever.

The birthplace of the Russian Orthodoxy is Kyiv, and Putin wants it back. It
doesn\'t matter how many tanks he loses, or how many Russians are killed.

These matter in material wars, but spiritual wars are completely different.
They are not rational. Russia will find ways to get around the sanctions and
continue fighting.

Patriarch Kirill, A Former KGB Spy and Spiritual Guru is the driving force
behind Putin’s Ukraine War:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rg5_GvssAw0

Pride, patriotism and how Putin helped redefine what it means to be a \'true
Russian\'

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bItwqPQVnBs

This is a great fork in history. Russia could crush Ukraine, hunker
down, absorb more small countries, isolate itself from the rest of
civilization, brain drain all its talent and morality, and stay poor
and barbaric for another 50 years.

Or they could disappear Putin and become european.

They have too many nukes for the world to allow them to stay a
North Korea 2.0 for such a long time (they already are that, only
the fat Kim unlike Putin has the brains not to put his country
at war with the rest of the world).
This has to be resolved one way or another, whatever the cost.

 

[Jan Panteltje]

On a sunny day (Tue, 19 Apr 2022 08:27:30 -0700) it happened
jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote in
<2ukt5hh08b3m586fk79urss07dcu7ksgvq@4ax.com>:

Our back yard is a jungle already. Snakes, skunks, raccoons, possum,
coyotes, squirrels, scrub jays, hummers, junkoes (sp?), feral cats,
wild parrots, giant ravens.

A wild turkey has been spotted down in the village.

Not so bad here, snails, and now mosquitos in swarms in the evening
And cats

 

[John Larkin]

On Tue, 19 Apr 2022 18:35:54 +0300, Dimiter_Popoff <dp@tgi-sci.com>
wrote:

On 4/19/2022 17:20, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Tue, 19 Apr 2022 05:21:20 -0000 (UTC), Mike Monett <spamme@not.com
wrote:

The Ukraine war is a spiritual war. Spiritual wars are the most dangerous.
It will go on forever.

The birthplace of the Russian Orthodoxy is Kyiv, and Putin wants it back. It
doesn\'t matter how many tanks he loses, or how many Russians are killed.

These matter in material wars, but spiritual wars are completely different.
They are not rational. Russia will find ways to get around the sanctions and
continue fighting.

Patriarch Kirill, A Former KGB Spy and Spiritual Guru is the driving force
behind Putin’s Ukraine War:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rg5_GvssAw0

Pride, patriotism and how Putin helped redefine what it means to be a \'true
Russian\'

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bItwqPQVnBs

This is a great fork in history. Russia could crush Ukraine, hunker
down, absorb more small countries, isolate itself from the rest of
civilization, brain drain all its talent and morality, and stay poor
and barbaric for another 50 years.

Or they could disappear Putin and become european.




They have too many nukes for the world to allow them to stay a
North Korea 2.0 for such a long time (they already are that, only
the fat Kim unlike Putin has the brains not to put his country
at war with the rest of the world).

The problem is \"allow\".

NATO doesn\'t look like it will engage in a surface war.

>This has to be resolved one way or another, whatever the cost.

The only reasonable thing for the west to do is make it clear that
there will be absolute economic isolation and asset seizure for as
long as russia occupies ukraine. Decades if necessary.

Europeans need to start fracking.


--

If a man will begin with certainties, he shall end with doubts,
but if he will be content to begin with doubts he shall end in certainties.
Francis Bacon

 

[Dimiter_Popoff]

On 4/19/2022 19:41, John Larkin wrote:

On Tue, 19 Apr 2022 18:35:54 +0300, Dimiter_Popoff <dp@tgi-sci.com
wrote:

On 4/19/2022 17:20, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Tue, 19 Apr 2022 05:21:20 -0000 (UTC), Mike Monett <spamme@not.com
wrote:

The Ukraine war is a spiritual war. Spiritual wars are the most dangerous.
It will go on forever.

The birthplace of the Russian Orthodoxy is Kyiv, and Putin wants it back. It
doesn\'t matter how many tanks he loses, or how many Russians are killed.

These matter in material wars, but spiritual wars are completely different.
They are not rational. Russia will find ways to get around the sanctions and
continue fighting.

Patriarch Kirill, A Former KGB Spy and Spiritual Guru is the driving force
behind Putin’s Ukraine War:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rg5_GvssAw0

Pride, patriotism and how Putin helped redefine what it means to be a \'true
Russian\'

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bItwqPQVnBs

This is a great fork in history. Russia could crush Ukraine, hunker
down, absorb more small countries, isolate itself from the rest of
civilization, brain drain all its talent and morality, and stay poor
and barbaric for another 50 years.

Or they could disappear Putin and become european.




They have too many nukes for the world to allow them to stay a
North Korea 2.0 for such a long time (they already are that, only
the fat Kim unlike Putin has the brains not to put his country
at war with the rest of the world).

The problem is \"allow\".

NATO doesn\'t look like it will engage in a surface war.

No, the chance it will go all out nuclear is almost a certainty at
the moment.

This has to be resolved one way or another, whatever the cost.

The only reasonable thing for the west to do is make it clear that
there will be absolute economic isolation and asset seizure for as
long as russia occupies ukraine. Decades if necessary.

Europeans need to start fracking.

Europeans need to do whatever it takes to stop buying anything
from Russia. Faster - even of this means blackouts and painful
economical loss. I am thinking of buying a generator here... just 2-3
kW, life without electricity for me would be 100% pointless, never
mind the difficult side of it. May be I have to get something
I can adapt to a steam engine which I can run on wood I can gather,
don\'t know how to get a plutonium cell to boil the water .

 

[John Larkin]

On Tue, 19 Apr 2022 20:26:05 +0300, Dimiter_Popoff <dp@tgi-sci.com>
wrote:

On 4/19/2022 19:41, John Larkin wrote:
On Tue, 19 Apr 2022 18:35:54 +0300, Dimiter_Popoff <dp@tgi-sci.com
wrote:

On 4/19/2022 17:20, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Tue, 19 Apr 2022 05:21:20 -0000 (UTC), Mike Monett <spamme@not.com
wrote:

The Ukraine war is a spiritual war. Spiritual wars are the most dangerous.
It will go on forever.

The birthplace of the Russian Orthodoxy is Kyiv, and Putin wants it back. It
doesn\'t matter how many tanks he loses, or how many Russians are killed.

These matter in material wars, but spiritual wars are completely different.
They are not rational. Russia will find ways to get around the sanctions and
continue fighting.

Patriarch Kirill, A Former KGB Spy and Spiritual Guru is the driving force
behind Putin’s Ukraine War:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rg5_GvssAw0

Pride, patriotism and how Putin helped redefine what it means to be a \'true
Russian\'

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bItwqPQVnBs

This is a great fork in history. Russia could crush Ukraine, hunker
down, absorb more small countries, isolate itself from the rest of
civilization, brain drain all its talent and morality, and stay poor
and barbaric for another 50 years.

Or they could disappear Putin and become european.




They have too many nukes for the world to allow them to stay a
North Korea 2.0 for such a long time (they already are that, only
the fat Kim unlike Putin has the brains not to put his country
at war with the rest of the world).

The problem is \"allow\".

NATO doesn\'t look like it will engage in a surface war.

No, the chance it will go all out nuclear is almost a certainty at
the moment.


This has to be resolved one way or another, whatever the cost.

The only reasonable thing for the west to do is make it clear that
there will be absolute economic isolation and asset seizure for as
long as russia occupies ukraine. Decades if necessary.

Europeans need to start fracking.


Europeans need to do whatever it takes to stop buying anything
from Russia. Faster - even of this means blackouts and painful
economical loss. I am thinking of buying a generator here... just 2-3
kW, life without electricity for me would be 100% pointless, never
mind the difficult side of it. May be I have to get something
I can adapt to a steam engine which I can run on wood I can gather,
don\'t know how to get a plutonium cell to boil the water .

Germany needs to revive its coal and nuke power plants, or freeze and
de-industrialize.

There\'s still lots of fuel under the North Sea. More exploring seems
to find more stuff.

--

If a man will begin with certainties, he shall end with doubts,
but if he will be content to begin with doubts he shall end in certainties.
Francis Bacon

 

[Jeff Liebermann]

On Tue, 19 Apr 2022 05:21:20 -0000 (UTC), Mike Monett <spamme@not.com>
wrote:

The Ukraine war is a spiritual war. Spiritual wars are the most dangerous.
It will go on forever.

Nope. Methinks it\'s an economic war. Russia just finished building
an $11 billion offshore natural gas pipeline to Germany primarily to
bypass transit charges for the existing pipelines crossing Ukraine.

\"The Engineering Behind Russia\'s Deadlocked Pipeline: Nord Stream 2\"
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jzibtVSamrY>

As the process of certifying the pipeline blundered forward, the
stumbling block seemed to be getting approval by various countries
which stood to lose transit revenue for existing pipelines:
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nord_Stream#Regulatory_clearance>

\"Russia-Ukraine gas disputes\"
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russia%E2%80%93Ukraine_gas_disputes>

It seems to be an amazing coincidence that Russia would invade Ukraine
just after certification negotiations were going too slow. Just
connect the (pipeline) dots and follow the money:
<https://mondediplo.com/IMG/jpg/lmd_0521_13_gazoducs_rgb.jpg>
Maps with much more detail:
<http://www.entsog.eu/maps#transmission-capacity-map-2021>

\"When somebody says it’s not about the money, it’s about the money.\"
H. L. Mencken


--
Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com
PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

 

[Dimiter_Popoff]

On 4/19/2022 20:39, John Larkin wrote:

On Tue, 19 Apr 2022 20:26:05 +0300, Dimiter_Popoff <dp@tgi-sci.com
wrote:

On 4/19/2022 19:41, John Larkin wrote:
On Tue, 19 Apr 2022 18:35:54 +0300, Dimiter_Popoff <dp@tgi-sci.com
wrote:

On 4/19/2022 17:20, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Tue, 19 Apr 2022 05:21:20 -0000 (UTC), Mike Monett <spamme@not.com
wrote:

The Ukraine war is a spiritual war. Spiritual wars are the most dangerous.
It will go on forever.

The birthplace of the Russian Orthodoxy is Kyiv, and Putin wants it back. It
doesn\'t matter how many tanks he loses, or how many Russians are killed.

These matter in material wars, but spiritual wars are completely different.
They are not rational. Russia will find ways to get around the sanctions and
continue fighting.

Patriarch Kirill, A Former KGB Spy and Spiritual Guru is the driving force
behind Putin’s Ukraine War:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rg5_GvssAw0

Pride, patriotism and how Putin helped redefine what it means to be a \'true
Russian\'

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bItwqPQVnBs

This is a great fork in history. Russia could crush Ukraine, hunker
down, absorb more small countries, isolate itself from the rest of
civilization, brain drain all its talent and morality, and stay poor
and barbaric for another 50 years.

Or they could disappear Putin and become european.




They have too many nukes for the world to allow them to stay a
North Korea 2.0 for such a long time (they already are that, only
the fat Kim unlike Putin has the brains not to put his country
at war with the rest of the world).

The problem is \"allow\".

NATO doesn\'t look like it will engage in a surface war.

No, the chance it will go all out nuclear is almost a certainty at
the moment.


This has to be resolved one way or another, whatever the cost.

The only reasonable thing for the west to do is make it clear that
there will be absolute economic isolation and asset seizure for as
long as russia occupies ukraine. Decades if necessary.

Europeans need to start fracking.


Europeans need to do whatever it takes to stop buying anything
from Russia. Faster - even of this means blackouts and painful
economical loss. I am thinking of buying a generator here... just 2-3
kW, life without electricity for me would be 100% pointless, never
mind the difficult side of it. May be I have to get something
I can adapt to a steam engine which I can run on wood I can gather,
don\'t know how to get a plutonium cell to boil the water .

Germany needs to revive its coal and nuke power plants, or freeze and
de-industrialize.

It does. And they need to build some more nuclear plants so coal can be
phased out.

There\'s still lots of fuel under the North Sea. More exploring seems
to find more stuff.

Perhaps, but gas and petrol are short term solutions anyway. Since
the EU (and the world) needs to do something about producing less
smoke going seriously nuclear looks like the only viable option.
Sort of like the French have done it. The main brake against nuclear
has been the fear that waste can fall in the wrong hands to build
weapons from (not the pollution nonsense the media spread for the
masses). So more spectrometry gadgets will be needed... the steam
engine I hope to build in my backyard won\'t come for free .

 

[Ricky]

On Tuesday, April 19, 2022 at 2:29:33 PM UTC-4, Dimiter Popoff wrote:

On 4/19/2022 20:39, John Larkin wrote:
On Tue, 19 Apr 2022 20:26:05 +0300, Dimiter_Popoff <d...@tgi-sci.com
wrote:

On 4/19/2022 19:41, John Larkin wrote:
On Tue, 19 Apr 2022 18:35:54 +0300, Dimiter_Popoff <d...@tgi-sci.com
wrote:

On 4/19/2022 17:20, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Tue, 19 Apr 2022 05:21:20 -0000 (UTC), Mike Monett <spa...@not.com
wrote:

The Ukraine war is a spiritual war. Spiritual wars are the most dangerous.
It will go on forever.

The birthplace of the Russian Orthodoxy is Kyiv, and Putin wants it back. It
doesn\'t matter how many tanks he loses, or how many Russians are killed.

These matter in material wars, but spiritual wars are completely different.
They are not rational. Russia will find ways to get around the sanctions and
continue fighting.

Patriarch Kirill, A Former KGB Spy and Spiritual Guru is the driving force
behind Putin’s Ukraine War:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rg5_GvssAw0

Pride, patriotism and how Putin helped redefine what it means to be a \'true
Russian\'

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bItwqPQVnBs

This is a great fork in history. Russia could crush Ukraine, hunker
down, absorb more small countries, isolate itself from the rest of
civilization, brain drain all its talent and morality, and stay poor
and barbaric for another 50 years.

Or they could disappear Putin and become european.




They have too many nukes for the world to allow them to stay a
North Korea 2.0 for such a long time (they already are that, only
the fat Kim unlike Putin has the brains not to put his country
at war with the rest of the world).

The problem is \"allow\".

NATO doesn\'t look like it will engage in a surface war.

No, the chance it will go all out nuclear is almost a certainty at
the moment.


This has to be resolved one way or another, whatever the cost.

The only reasonable thing for the west to do is make it clear that
there will be absolute economic isolation and asset seizure for as
long as russia occupies ukraine. Decades if necessary.

Europeans need to start fracking.


Europeans need to do whatever it takes to stop buying anything
from Russia. Faster - even of this means blackouts and painful
economical loss. I am thinking of buying a generator here... just 2-3
kW, life without electricity for me would be 100% pointless, never
mind the difficult side of it. May be I have to get something
I can adapt to a steam engine which I can run on wood I can gather,
don\'t know how to get a plutonium cell to boil the water .

Germany needs to revive its coal and nuke power plants, or freeze and
de-industrialize.
It does. And they need to build some more nuclear plants so coal can be
phased out.
There\'s still lots of fuel under the North Sea. More exploring seems
to find more stuff.

Perhaps, but gas and petrol are short term solutions anyway. Since
the EU (and the world) needs to do something about producing less
smoke going seriously nuclear looks like the only viable option.
Sort of like the French have done it. The main brake against nuclear
has been the fear that waste can fall in the wrong hands to build
weapons from (not the pollution nonsense the media spread for the
masses). So more spectrometry gadgets will be needed... the steam
engine I hope to build in my backyard won\'t come for free .

Don\'t turn to the French for nuclear. They can\'t seem to build a nuke for less than $20 billion these days and it will be a decade late in commissioning. Their nuclear projects are mostly disasters.

The big problem with nuclear energy is the massive up front costs that make it very hard to tell if you will ever turn a profit. All new projects seem to be built under contracts that require a utility to pay for the electricity rather than letting the market decide. This is going to cause big problems for anyone who builds much nuclear power these days. Well, unless you are the Chinese who cut corners and don\'t operate with the same level of concern for safety.

https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/edf-says-partners-must-decide-taishan-reactor-shutdown-2021-07-22/

https://xkcd.com/2278/

Where is Dave Barry when you need him? Or Al Capp for that matter?

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[wmartin]

On 4/19/22 08:27, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

On Tue, 19 Apr 2022 14:54:10 GMT, Jan Panteltje
pNaonStpealmtje@yahoo.com> wrote:

On a sunny day (Tue, 19 Apr 2022 07:20:32 -0700) it happened
jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote in
71ht5h1pk8t8eve6cj4jmir45n50ebr6pg@4ax.com>:

On Tue, 19 Apr 2022 05:21:20 -0000 (UTC), Mike Monett <spamme@not.com
wrote:

The Ukraine war is a spiritual war. Spiritual wars are the most dangerous.
It will go on forever.

The birthplace of the Russian Orthodoxy is Kyiv, and Putin wants it back. It
doesn\'t matter how many tanks he loses, or how many Russians are killed.

These matter in material wars, but spiritual wars are completely different.
They are not rational. Russia will find ways to get around the sanctions and
continue fighting.

Patriarch Kirill, A Former KGB Spy and Spiritual Guru is the driving force
behind Putin’s Ukraine War:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rg5_GvssAw0

Pride, patriotism and how Putin helped redefine what it means to be a \'true
Russian\'

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bItwqPQVnBs

This is a great fork in history. Russia could crush Ukraine, hunker
down, absorb more small countries, isolate itself from the rest of
civilization, brain drain all its talent and morality, and stay poor
and barbaric for another 50 years.

Or they could disappear Putin and become european.

Or they could nuke US and divide it up between China for the east part and Russia for the west part
FYI.

That would aguably be historic too.


All that is required to trigger that is when byethen mistakes his red button for his toasters\'s.
Or maybe they will make the whole US an animal reserve.
Does not take much work...

Our back yard is a jungle already. Snakes, skunks, raccoons, possum,
coyotes, squirrels, scrub jays, hummers, junkoes (sp?), feral cats,
wild parrots, giant ravens.

A wild turkey has been spotted down in the village.

A wild turkey? Was it\'s name Gavin something-or-other?

 

[Lasse Langwadt Christensen]

tirsdag den 19. april 2022 kl. 21.04.07 UTC+2 skrev Ricky:

On Tuesday, April 19, 2022 at 2:29:33 PM UTC-4, Dimiter Popoff wrote:
On 4/19/2022 20:39, John Larkin wrote:
On Tue, 19 Apr 2022 20:26:05 +0300, Dimiter_Popoff <d...@tgi-sci.com
wrote:

On 4/19/2022 19:41, John Larkin wrote:
On Tue, 19 Apr 2022 18:35:54 +0300, Dimiter_Popoff <d...@tgi-sci.com
wrote:

On 4/19/2022 17:20, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Tue, 19 Apr 2022 05:21:20 -0000 (UTC), Mike Monett <spa...@not..com
wrote:

The Ukraine war is a spiritual war. Spiritual wars are the most dangerous.
It will go on forever.

The birthplace of the Russian Orthodoxy is Kyiv, and Putin wants it back. It
doesn\'t matter how many tanks he loses, or how many Russians are killed.

These matter in material wars, but spiritual wars are completely different.
They are not rational. Russia will find ways to get around the sanctions and
continue fighting.

Patriarch Kirill, A Former KGB Spy and Spiritual Guru is the driving force
behind Putin’s Ukraine War:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rg5_GvssAw0

Pride, patriotism and how Putin helped redefine what it means to be a \'true
Russian\'

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bItwqPQVnBs

This is a great fork in history. Russia could crush Ukraine, hunker
down, absorb more small countries, isolate itself from the rest of
civilization, brain drain all its talent and morality, and stay poor
and barbaric for another 50 years.

Or they could disappear Putin and become european.




They have too many nukes for the world to allow them to stay a
North Korea 2.0 for such a long time (they already are that, only
the fat Kim unlike Putin has the brains not to put his country
at war with the rest of the world).

The problem is \"allow\".

NATO doesn\'t look like it will engage in a surface war.

No, the chance it will go all out nuclear is almost a certainty at
the moment.


This has to be resolved one way or another, whatever the cost.

The only reasonable thing for the west to do is make it clear that
there will be absolute economic isolation and asset seizure for as
long as russia occupies ukraine. Decades if necessary.

Europeans need to start fracking.


Europeans need to do whatever it takes to stop buying anything
from Russia. Faster - even of this means blackouts and painful
economical loss. I am thinking of buying a generator here... just 2-3
kW, life without electricity for me would be 100% pointless, never
mind the difficult side of it. May be I have to get something
I can adapt to a steam engine which I can run on wood I can gather,
don\'t know how to get a plutonium cell to boil the water .

Germany needs to revive its coal and nuke power plants, or freeze and
de-industrialize.
It does. And they need to build some more nuclear plants so coal can be
phased out.
There\'s still lots of fuel under the North Sea. More exploring seems
to find more stuff.

Perhaps, but gas and petrol are short term solutions anyway. Since
the EU (and the world) needs to do something about producing less
smoke going seriously nuclear looks like the only viable option.
Sort of like the French have done it. The main brake against nuclear
has been the fear that waste can fall in the wrong hands to build
weapons from (not the pollution nonsense the media spread for the
masses). So more spectrometry gadgets will be needed... the steam
engine I hope to build in my backyard won\'t come for free .
Don\'t turn to the French for nuclear. They can\'t seem to build a nuke for less than $20 billion these days and it will be a decade late in commissioning. Their nuclear projects are mostly disasters.

yeh, only 56 reactors and producing +70% of the country\'s electricity ...

 

[wmartin]

On 4/19/22 10:47, Jeff Liebermann wrote:

On Tue, 19 Apr 2022 05:21:20 -0000 (UTC), Mike Monett <spamme@not.com
wrote:

The Ukraine war is a spiritual war. Spiritual wars are the most dangerous.
It will go on forever.

Nope. Methinks it\'s an economic war. Russia just finished building
an $11 billion offshore natural gas pipeline to Germany primarily to
bypass transit charges for the existing pipelines crossing Ukraine.

\"The Engineering Behind Russia\'s Deadlocked Pipeline: Nord Stream 2\"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jzibtVSamrY

As the process of certifying the pipeline blundered forward, the
stumbling block seemed to be getting approval by various countries
which stood to lose transit revenue for existing pipelines:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nord_Stream#Regulatory_clearance

\"Russia-Ukraine gas disputes\"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russia%E2%80%93Ukraine_gas_disputes

It seems to be an amazing coincidence that Russia would invade Ukraine
just after certification negotiations were going too slow. Just
connect the (pipeline) dots and follow the money:
https://mondediplo.com/IMG/jpg/lmd_0521_13_gazoducs_rgb.jpg
Maps with much more detail:
http://www.entsog.eu/maps#transmission-capacity-map-2021

\"When somebody says it’s not about the money, it’s about the money.\"
H. L. Mencken

Isn\'t there supposed to be a huge natural gas reservoir under Eastern
Ukraine? Another amazing coincidence!

 

[Ricky]

On Tuesday, April 19, 2022 at 3:16:45 PM UTC-4, lang...@fonz.dk wrote:

tirsdag den 19. april 2022 kl. 21.04.07 UTC+2 skrev Ricky:
On Tuesday, April 19, 2022 at 2:29:33 PM UTC-4, Dimiter Popoff wrote:
On 4/19/2022 20:39, John Larkin wrote:
On Tue, 19 Apr 2022 20:26:05 +0300, Dimiter_Popoff <d...@tgi-sci.com
wrote:

On 4/19/2022 19:41, John Larkin wrote:
On Tue, 19 Apr 2022 18:35:54 +0300, Dimiter_Popoff <d...@tgi-sci.com
wrote:

On 4/19/2022 17:20, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Tue, 19 Apr 2022 05:21:20 -0000 (UTC), Mike Monett <spa...@not.com
wrote:

The Ukraine war is a spiritual war. Spiritual wars are the most dangerous.
It will go on forever.

The birthplace of the Russian Orthodoxy is Kyiv, and Putin wants it back. It
doesn\'t matter how many tanks he loses, or how many Russians are killed.

These matter in material wars, but spiritual wars are completely different.
They are not rational. Russia will find ways to get around the sanctions and
continue fighting.

Patriarch Kirill, A Former KGB Spy and Spiritual Guru is the driving force
behind Putin’s Ukraine War:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rg5_GvssAw0

Pride, patriotism and how Putin helped redefine what it means to be a \'true
Russian\'

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bItwqPQVnBs

This is a great fork in history. Russia could crush Ukraine, hunker
down, absorb more small countries, isolate itself from the rest of
civilization, brain drain all its talent and morality, and stay poor
and barbaric for another 50 years.

Or they could disappear Putin and become european.




They have too many nukes for the world to allow them to stay a
North Korea 2.0 for such a long time (they already are that, only
the fat Kim unlike Putin has the brains not to put his country
at war with the rest of the world).

The problem is \"allow\".

NATO doesn\'t look like it will engage in a surface war.

No, the chance it will go all out nuclear is almost a certainty at
the moment.


This has to be resolved one way or another, whatever the cost.

The only reasonable thing for the west to do is make it clear that
there will be absolute economic isolation and asset seizure for as
long as russia occupies ukraine. Decades if necessary.

Europeans need to start fracking.


Europeans need to do whatever it takes to stop buying anything
from Russia. Faster - even of this means blackouts and painful
economical loss. I am thinking of buying a generator here... just 2-3
kW, life without electricity for me would be 100% pointless, never
mind the difficult side of it. May be I have to get something
I can adapt to a steam engine which I can run on wood I can gather,
don\'t know how to get a plutonium cell to boil the water .

Germany needs to revive its coal and nuke power plants, or freeze and
de-industrialize.
It does. And they need to build some more nuclear plants so coal can be
phased out.
There\'s still lots of fuel under the North Sea. More exploring seems
to find more stuff.

Perhaps, but gas and petrol are short term solutions anyway. Since
the EU (and the world) needs to do something about producing less
smoke going seriously nuclear looks like the only viable option.
Sort of like the French have done it. The main brake against nuclear
has been the fear that waste can fall in the wrong hands to build
weapons from (not the pollution nonsense the media spread for the
masses). So more spectrometry gadgets will be needed... the steam
engine I hope to build in my backyard won\'t come for free .
Don\'t turn to the French for nuclear. They can\'t seem to build a nuke for less than $20 billion these days and it will be a decade late in commissioning. Their nuclear projects are mostly disasters.

yeh, only 56 reactors and producing +70% of the country\'s electricity ...

Yes, reactors that were mostly built 40 or 50 years ago. Why aren\'t they building the same design? Why can\'t they repeat their earlier success? Inquiring minds want to know!

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