The saddest inductor ever?

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Cheers,

Michael
 
mrdarrett@gmail.com wrote:
> http://file2.answcdn.com/answ-cld/image/upload/h_320,c_fill,g_face:center,q_60,f_jpg/v1401492366/pq8ch6utdabn6r2ybozq.png

Ha.
 
On Wednesday, March 25, 2015 at 10:10:49 AM UTC-7, Cydrome Leader wrote:
mrdarrett@gmail.com wrote:
http://file2.answcdn.com/answ-cld/image/upload/h_320,c_fill,g_face:center,q_60,f_jpg/v1401492366/pq8ch6utdabn6r2ybozq.png

Ha.

What exactly is the point of the coil labeled H, anyway? And why is it given a (+) symbol?
 
On Wednesday, March 25, 2015 at 11:56:22 AM UTC-7, Pimpom wrote:
mrdarrett@gmail.com> wrote in message
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On Wednesday, March 25, 2015 at 10:10:49 AM UTC-7, Cydrome
Leader wrote:
mrdarrett@gmail.com wrote:
http://file2.answcdn.com/answ-cld/image/upload/h_320,c_fill,g_face:center,q_60,f_jpg/v1401492366/pq8ch6utdabn6r2ybozq.png

Ha.


What exactly is the point of the coil labeled H, anyway? And
why is it given a (+) symbol?

The diagram represents a vacuum tube rectifier circuit. Coil H
supplies heating power to the rectifier's filament which acts as
a source of electrons and therefore as the cathode. The + symbol
marks the positive output rail.

Oh! Cool! Thanks!
 
On Wednesday, March 25, 2015 at 1:32:12 PM UTC-7, John Larkin wrote:
On Wed, 25 Mar 2015 13:15:44 -0700 (PDT), mrdarrett@gmail.com wrote:

On Wednesday, March 25, 2015 at 11:56:22 AM UTC-7, Pimpom wrote:
mrdarrett@gmail.com> wrote in message
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On Wednesday, March 25, 2015 at 10:10:49 AM UTC-7, Cydrome
Leader wrote:
mrdarrett@gmail.com wrote:
http://file2.answcdn.com/answ-cld/image/upload/h_320,c_fill,g_face:center,q_60,f_jpg/v1401492366/pq8ch6utdabn6r2ybozq.png

Ha.


What exactly is the point of the coil labeled H, anyway? And
why is it given a (+) symbol?

The diagram represents a vacuum tube rectifier circuit. Coil H
supplies heating power to the rectifier's filament which acts as
a source of electrons and therefore as the cathode. The + symbol
marks the positive output rail.


Oh! Cool! Thanks!

You youngsters have clean forgotton how toobs work. "H" is for
"heater."


--

John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc
picosecond timing laser drivers and controllers

jlarkin att highlandtechnology dott com
http://www.highlandtechnology.com


Unfortunately a lot of knowledge has been lost, it's true. Didn't a Soviet fighter pilot defect a few decades ago, taking a Soviet supersonic jet with him, with all sorts of EMP-proof vacuum tube electronic controls? :)

Michael
 
<mrdarrett@gmail.com> wrote in message
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On Wednesday, March 25, 2015 at 10:10:49 AM UTC-7, Cydrome
Leader wrote:
mrdarrett@gmail.com wrote:
http://file2.answcdn.com/answ-cld/image/upload/h_320,c_fill,g_face:center,q_60,f_jpg/v1401492366/pq8ch6utdabn6r2ybozq.png

Ha.


What exactly is the point of the coil labeled H, anyway? And
why is it given a (+) symbol?

The diagram represents a vacuum tube rectifier circuit. Coil H
supplies heating power to the rectifier's filament which acts as
a source of electrons and therefore as the cathode. The + symbol
marks the positive output rail.
 
On Wed, 25 Mar 2015 13:15:44 -0700 (PDT), mrdarrett@gmail.com wrote:

On Wednesday, March 25, 2015 at 11:56:22 AM UTC-7, Pimpom wrote:
mrdarrett@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:d8bf1339-b476-436b-b3c8-772777a67bca@googlegroups.com...
On Wednesday, March 25, 2015 at 10:10:49 AM UTC-7, Cydrome
Leader wrote:
mrdarrett@gmail.com wrote:
http://file2.answcdn.com/answ-cld/image/upload/h_320,c_fill,g_face:center,q_60,f_jpg/v1401492366/pq8ch6utdabn6r2ybozq.png

Ha.


What exactly is the point of the coil labeled H, anyway? And
why is it given a (+) symbol?

The diagram represents a vacuum tube rectifier circuit. Coil H
supplies heating power to the rectifier's filament which acts as
a source of electrons and therefore as the cathode. The + symbol
marks the positive output rail.


Oh! Cool! Thanks!

You youngsters have clean forgotton how toobs work. "H" is for
"heater."


--

John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc
picosecond timing laser drivers and controllers

jlarkin att highlandtechnology dott com
http://www.highlandtechnology.com
 
On Tue, 24 Mar 2015 10:30:06 -0700, mrdarrett wrote:

http://file2.answcdn.com/answ-cld/image/upload/
h_320,c_fill,g_face:center,q_60,f_jpg/v1401492366/pq8ch6utdabn6r2ybozq.png

That's a sad rectifier tube, not a sad inductor. It's sad because it
knows that there's young whippersnappers out there that can't recognize
the schematic symbol for a rectifier tube any more.

--

Tim Wescott
Wescott Design Services
http://www.wescottdesign.com
 
"Tim Wescott" <seemywebsite@myfooter.really> wrote in message
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On Tue, 24 Mar 2015 10:30:06 -0700, mrdarrett wrote:

http://file2.answcdn.com/answ-cld/image/upload/
h_320,c_fill,g_face:center,q_60,f_jpg/v1401492366/pq8ch6utdabn6r2ybozq.png

That's a sad rectifier tube, not a sad inductor. It's sad
because it
knows that there's young whippersnappers out there that can't
recognize
the schematic symbol for a rectifier tube any more.
The other day, my brother's grandson - don't have one myself yet
although I'm well into that age - saw my old portable mechanical
typewriter and asked me how it's connected to a computer.
 
"John Larkin" <jlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> wrote in message
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On Wed, 25 Mar 2015 13:15:44 -0700 (PDT), mrdarrett@gmail.com
wrote:

On Wednesday, March 25, 2015 at 11:56:22 AM UTC-7, Pimpom
wrote:
mrdarrett@gmail.com> wrote in message
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On Wednesday, March 25, 2015 at 10:10:49 AM UTC-7, Cydrome
Leader wrote:
mrdarrett@gmail.com wrote:
http://file2.answcdn.com/answ-cld/image/upload/h_320,c_fill,g_face:center,q_60,f_jpg/v1401492366/pq8ch6utdabn6r2ybozq.png

Ha.


What exactly is the point of the coil labeled H, anyway?
And
why is it given a (+) symbol?

The diagram represents a vacuum tube rectifier circuit. Coil
H
supplies heating power to the rectifier's filament which acts
as
a source of electrons and therefore as the cathode. The +
symbol
marks the positive output rail.


Oh! Cool! Thanks!

You youngsters have clean forgotton how toobs work. "H" is for
"heater."
When I start into active devices in the training classes I
conduct, I usually begin with vacuum tubes. Besides making the
students appreciate how technology developed, I feel that
visualizing a stream of tiny electron balls - classical physics
is good enough for the purpose - flying through a vacuum from
cathode to anode gives them a clear mental image of how it all
works. It's further useful at the next step: control of the
current flow with a grid. It also has a kind of elegance to it. I
go into the maths later.
 
>"That gave us electron flow and convencional current flow to remember. "

Us regular critters can generally forget about which way the electrons go in a circuit. With complementary devices it almost doesn't matter at all.

However there is a reason thaty silicon NPN transistors are better and germaniun PNP transistors were better. That is more on a molecular level and that's the job of people who work at Onsemi and the like.
 
"Pimpom" <pimpom@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
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You youngsters have clean forgotton how toobs work. "H" is for
"heater."

When I start into active devices in the training classes I conduct, I
usually begin with vacuum tubes. Besides making the students appreciate
how technology developed, I feel that visualizing a stream of tiny
electron balls - classical physics is good enough for the purpose - flying
through a vacuum from cathode to anode gives them a clear mental image of
how it all works. It's further useful at the next step: control of the
current flow with a grid. It also has a kind of elegance to it. I go into
the maths later.

I was either lucky or unlucky that when I went to tech school in 1970 that
tubes and transistors were both being taught. Had to learn both types of
circuits.

Not sure who, thinking Ben Franklin that got the electron flow backwards.
That gave us electron flow and convencional current flow to remember.
 
On Thu, 26 Mar 2015 09:41:08 -0700, jurb6006 wrote:

"That gave us electron flow and convencional current flow to remember. "

Us regular critters can generally forget about which way the electrons
go in a circuit. With complementary devices it almost doesn't matter at
all.

However there is a reason thaty silicon NPN transistors are better and
germaniun PNP transistors were better. That is more on a molecular level
and that's the job of people who work at Onsemi and the like.

I thought that the only driver behind the Germanium PNP thing was because
point-contact transistors pretty much have to be PNP due to the physics of
strained crystals.

--

Tim Wescott
Wescott Design Services
http://www.wescottdesign.com
 
"Tim Wescott" <seemywebsite@myfooter.really> wrote in message
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However there is a reason thaty silicon NPN transistors are better and
germaniun PNP transistors were better. That is more on a molecular level
and that's the job of people who work at Onsemi and the like.

I thought that the only driver behind the Germanium PNP thing was because
point-contact transistors pretty much have to be PNP due to the physics of
strained crystals.
I don't know about which is beter,but probably the big reason is to have a
negative ground system.
 
"Tim Wescott" <seemywebsite@myfooter.really> wrote in message
news:b_qdnX51r7i0V4jInZ2dnUU7-TOdnZ2d@giganews.com...
On Thu, 26 Mar 2015 09:41:08 -0700, jurb6006 wrote:

"That gave us electron flow and convencional current flow to
remember. "

Us regular critters can generally forget about which way the
electrons
go in a circuit. With complementary devices it almost doesn't
matter at
all.

However there is a reason thaty silicon NPN transistors are
better and
germaniun PNP transistors were better. That is more on a
molecular level
and that's the job of people who work at Onsemi and the like.

I thought that the only driver behind the Germanium PNP thing
was because
point-contact transistors pretty much have to be PNP due to the
physics of
strained crystals.
Some impressions I've retained from some 40+ years ago -
Ge transistors had lower Vce(sat) than Si. This and the lower Vbe
were significant in low-voltage applications. Ge power
transistors also had better gain linearty as we approach a
device's max current ratings.
 
"Tim Wescott" <seemywebsite@myfooter.really> wrote in message
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On Thu, 26 Mar 2015 09:41:08 -0700, jurb6006 wrote:

"That gave us electron flow and convencional current flow to
remember. "

Us regular critters can generally forget about which way the
electrons
go in a circuit. With complementary devices it almost doesn't
matter at
all.

However there is a reason thaty silicon NPN transistors are
better and
germaniun PNP transistors were better. That is more on a
molecular level
and that's the job of people who work at Onsemi and the like.

I thought that the only driver behind the Germanium PNP thing
was because
point-contact transistors pretty much have to be PNP due to the
physics of
strained crystals.
Some impressions I've retained from some 40+ years ago -
Ge transistors had lower Vce(sat) than Si. This and the lower Vbe
were significant in low-voltage applications. Ge power
transistors also had better gain linearty as we approach a
device's max current ratings.
 
On Fri, 27 Mar 2015 17:55:11 -0400, Ralph Mowery wrote:

"Tim Wescott" <seemywebsite@myfooter.really> wrote in message
news:b_qdnX51r7i0V4jInZ2dnUU7-TOdnZ2d@giganews.com...
However there is a reason thaty silicon NPN transistors are better and
germaniun PNP transistors were better. That is more on a molecular
level and that's the job of people who work at Onsemi and the like.

I thought that the only driver behind the Germanium PNP thing was
because point-contact transistors pretty much have to be PNP due to the
physics of strained crystals.


I don't know about which is beter,but probably the big reason is to have
a negative ground system.

NPN silicon transistors definitely tend to be better, for the same reason
N-channel MOSFETs do: electron mobility in N-type silicon is better than
hole mobility in P-type.

I'm pretty sure the same thing applies to germanium.

The very first transistors were point-contact type, though, which worked
because when you stress lightly-doped N-type germanium it becomes P-type.
However, it only works for PNP transistors.

--

Tim Wescott
Wescott Design Services
http://www.wescottdesign.com
 
On Saturday, March 28, 2015 at 10:01:50 PM UTC-7, Tim Wescott wrote:
The very first transistors were point-contact type, though,
which worked because when you stress lightly-doped N-type
germanium it becomes P-type. However, it only works for PNP
transistors.
The commonly available early PNP Ge transistors (CK722, 2N107, etc) were grown junction devices, not point contact. It was easy to make a PNP by using aluminum or indium to make contact to the n-doped Ge substrate. This was not a very reproducible process because the it was dificult to control the thickness of the base and the doping levels in the emitter and the collector. It was the planar diffused process (which could not be made to work with Ge) that made Si transistors consistently superior to Ge.
 

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