the new "4 colour" TVs = piss off fools

[Mr.T]

"Sylvia Else" <sylvia@not.here.invalid> wrote in message
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I didn't say that you have to show you have more money than they do,

No I did.

only that you have enough and are willing to spend it. It's not as if
the company can expect to win on the merits of the case.

Not necessary, they just string it out until you run out of money or die of
old age. Most big companies know VERY FEW people can outspend them on
lawyers. Just have a look at James Hardies antics if you want a good example
of the lengths they are prepared to go to escape their responsibilities.

MrT.

 

[Sylvia Else]

On 24/09/2010 10:04 PM, Mr.T wrote:

"Sylvia Else"<sylvia@not.here.invalid> wrote in message
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I didn't say that you have to show you have more money than they do,

No I did.

only that you have enough and are willing to spend it. It's not as if
the company can expect to win on the merits of the case.

Not necessary, they just string it out until you run out of money or die of
old age. Most big companies know VERY FEW people can outspend them on
lawyers. Just have a look at James Hardies antics if you want a good example
of the lengths they are prepared to go to escape their responsibilities.

MrT.

Such tactics are rather limited in a trival case of copyright, where the
amount of damages are not likely to be large, and given that full costs
are rarely if ever recovered.

Sylvia.

 

[Mr.T]

"kreed" <kenreed1999@gmail.com> wrote in message
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The legal system
is mostly about protecting the interests of the rich after all.

You know your stuff.
I'm also glad you correctly said "legal" system and not "justice"
system.

Of course, "justice" is simply a most unlikely, very uncommon, incidental
byproduct of the legal system.
Nobody in their right mind would call it a "Justice System".

I saw in the paper recently about a Gold Coast couple who spent some
$6 million on legal fees for a defense for their son on a murder charge. He
didn't win.

Regardless of his guilt or innocence - the fact that this sum had to
be forked out for "justice"

demonstrates clearly that anyone not filthy rich - or qualifies for

legal aid basically has zero chance of a fair hearing.

And IF you rely on legal aid you will also have zero chance of a fair
hearing. Only VERY rich crims can be assured of getting off.

In the case of being up against a major corporation in a civil suit -
with their massive legal budget,
I doubt $6 mil would go very far if they chose to drag it out. The
only advantage here is that
at worst you only can go bankrupt, rather than go bankrupt and to
jail.

Sure, but the question is more often whether you stand to gain more than you
have to lose, and whether it's worth the risk. Big companies rely on that
fact to bluff 90% of people from ever making a claim. and therefore can
afford to settle the other 10% if necessary, and still come out WAY ahead.

MrT.

 

[Mr.T]

"kreed" <kenreed1999@gmail.com> wrote in message
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if you are a wage earner, and YOU were sued and lost, your pay
would probably be taken (or a portion) for the rest of your life
to pay back the debt.

The usual method people use to avoid that is to simply go on the dole, which
will not be annexed. No point in working if you don't get to keep it. In any
case wages are hardly ever garnished in civil cases. It is up to the person
who is owed the money to instigate the recovery process, and keep checking
to see if they have any assetts or income to make it worthwhile. I know from
experience trying to enforce a court order, that is simply more money down
the drain. :-(


MrT.

 

[Mr.T]

"Sylvia Else" <sylvia@not.here.invalid> wrote in message
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only that you have enough and are willing to spend it. It's not as if
the company can expect to win on the merits of the case.

Not necessary, they just string it out until you run out of money or die
of
old age. Most big companies know VERY FEW people can outspend them on
lawyers. Just have a look at James Hardies antics if you want a good
example
of the lengths they are prepared to go to escape their responsibilities.

Such tactics are rather limited in a trival case of copyright, where the
amount of damages are not likely to be large, and given that full costs
are rarely if ever recovered.

Sure, but an individual doesn't have the amount of money a BIG class action
like that has, and is not likely to win any where near as much, so they MUST
weigh up the risk Vs likely gain for a single case. A company OTOH will not
want to set a precedent for others, and can expect to bluff and outspend the
vast majority of claimants long before it comes time for them to consider
settling the odd case here and there. (and with a no admission of liability,
non disclosure clause to stop any other claimants piggy backing)

IF you are a gambler AND have a LOT of money to throw around, you can easily
be one of the minority who does get a settlement on the steps of the
courthouse though. I wish I had enough to take the risk! I'm sure I could
recover a few thousand that is owed to me. Fortunately for them I have far
more to lose than I stand to gain.

MrT.

 

[Mr.T]

"Noodnik" <Noodnik@NotHere.com> wrote in message
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I saw the ultimate form of this on weekend sat TV at a hotel in Brazil.
Some
channels run nothing but mega-ads over the weekend, all day long, no
program
at all. I confess to doing spot checks throughout a day out of pure
curiosity, to see how appalling it could be. Some of the ads were more
than
30 minutes long, and they were just a succession of glamour chicks waving
the product around to an inane commentary.

Gee the chicks must have been really HOT, why the hell else would anyone
turn the TV on if they know it's nothing but ads? And the Brazilians do have
DVD players after all.

Two that I recall (unfortunately) are the George Foreman grill and Flat
Hose.

But did they have chicks in thong bikinis demonstrating them?

MrT.

 

[kreed]

On Sep 24, 10:27 pm, "Mr.T" <MrT@home> wrote:

"kreed" <kenreed1...@gmail.com> wrote in message

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if you are a wage earner, and YOU were sued and lost, your pay
would probably be taken (or a portion) for the rest of your life
to pay back the debt.

The usual method people use to avoid that is to simply go on the dole, which
will not be annexed. No point in working if you don't get to keep it. In any
case wages are hardly ever garnished in civil cases. It is up to the person
who is owed the money to instigate the recovery process, and keep checking
to see if they have any assetts or income to make it worthwhile. I know from
experience trying to enforce a court order, that is simply more money down
the drain. :-(

MrT.

right !

My solicitor told me some years back when I got advice to recover a
debt that he felt confident in
representing the case and winning but advised me that it would cost
about $4000 to take to court and
even if you win and costs awarded to the debtor,
"trying to get money out of someone who doesn't want to pay it is
close to impossible".

It is the same with stuff like child support.
People I know of in the past who have copped very severe judgements
against them for this have gone on the dole, as they
will make far more money than working. and/Or done cash in hand work.

 

[kreed]

On Sep 22, 2:16 pm, "Mr.T" <MrT@home> wrote:

"Noodnik" <Nood...@NotHere.com> wrote in message

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The high quality is not intended for the program material, it's for the
*ads*.

A total waste of time then since so many people have PVR's and skip the ads
anyway. I know I sure do, I couldn't bear to watch commercial TV otherwise.
Most of my friends do the same. Can't be too many still watching them
surely? I did smile that ad companies are sending ads to the Gruen Transfer,
to get aired on the ABC for nothing, and knowing people will actually be
watching.

Yes, a couple of weeks ago they put on an ad for a potential Harvey
Norman competitor
that 7 banned (so as not to upset HN). I must admit - the Gruen
transfer is good, when I remember to watch it.
Shows how independent and loving of healthy competition our media
is

Also we are seeing a big increase in product placement during TV shows
instead. Whole programs like Masterchef are completely based on product
placement, and that's ignoring the Morning shows that are *nothing but* ads
from start to finish. Amazed that ANYBODY still watches those. I wonder if
anyone really does?

Absolute total shit they are, in fact those "cooking" programs are
absolute shit too.
I would bet that half those that watch this stuff never get past
microwave no frills
baked beans on toast.

The only good entertainment I had from a cooking program was:

1> Them going to Coles on the show and buying pastry that turned out
to be
rotten and couldn't be used.
I didnt see it but heard it reported on the news. That must have been
good free
advertising for Woolies, Aldi etc.

2> When we had visitors from Russia who happened to see "cooking with
Huey"
on TV, and nearly died laughing - mainly because in Russian
"Huey" (хуй)
means 'cock', in the most vulgar way imaginable.

(Would you believe they have bits of his program
on over there, as part of some fishing program - with different name
of course.)



My wife has had those "morning show" things on sometimes, not so much
to watch, but
just something to have on while doing other stuff.

Usually has the remote handy and as soon as a particularly irritating
ad starts for the latest fitness machine,
magnetic blanket or kitchen time saving knife set or chopper, presses
the button to change channel.



Out of interest, I "like" those "knife" demos, where they get a 1/2
tomato or similar and rapidly slice it into about
10 fairly thin pieces seemingly effortlessly, to the amazement of the
audience.

After seeing one of these demos a couple of years back & to settle a
dispute with a friend that any non-blunt knife,
would probably do the same, I tried it the same way as him with a
rather old & ordinary "discount store" knife from the kitchen drawer -
and got pretty much the same result after practicing on one half.

They are just bullshit, its a professional showman, not a "magic"
knife.




> MrT.

 

[kreed]

On Sep 23, 5:22 pm, "Mr.T" <MrT@home> wrote:

"keithr" <ke...@nowhere.com.au> wrote in message

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and that's ignoring the Morning shows that are *nothing but* ads
from start to finish. Amazed that ANYBODY still watches those. I wonder
if
anyone really does?

The one on the ABC is OK

I was really referring to Kerri-Anne and it's clones (or maybe I should say
all the current clones of the old Bert Newton morning show) rather than the
breakfast "News" shows. Although how anyone watches Karl or Koshie for more
than 30 seconds without throwing up their breakfast is a mystery to me.
Certainly the ABC is the better choice if you are sick and really have
nothing else to watch at that time of morning.

MrT.

I stopped watching a lot of ABC programs a couple of years back when
they started
constantly peddling left wing propaganda on just every news and
current affairs show.
I have not gone back.

I would agree it would probably be better than Koch and Kerri-Ann
Kennel
SBS isnt much chop as in the morning everything is foreign language
news programs.


Stuff like Chaser and Gruen are exceptions :


If home sick, I tend to reach for a book. I do want to get well after
all

 

[Noodnik]

"Mr.T" <MrT@home> wrote in message
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"Noodnik" <Noodnik@NotHere.com> wrote in message
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I saw the ultimate form of this on weekend sat TV at a hotel in Brazil.
Some
channels run nothing but mega-ads over the weekend, all day long, no
program
at all. I confess to doing spot checks throughout a day out of pure
curiosity, to see how appalling it could be. Some of the ads were more
than
30 minutes long, and they were just a succession of glamour chicks waving
the product around to an inane commentary.

Gee the chicks must have been really HOT, why the hell else would anyone
turn the TV on if they know it's nothing but ads? And the Brazilians do
have
DVD players after all.

You can bet that some smart marketing people have ensured that the increased
sales revenue will more than offset the total cost involved.

Two that I recall (unfortunately) are the George Foreman grill and Flat
Hose.

But did they have chicks in thong bikinis demonstrating them?

Don't get your hopes up. Brazil is actually fairly prudish in many areas of

public morality. More like Kerri-Anne or Catriona Rowntree, and nothing
briefer than a modest bikini.

 

[Mr.T]

"kreed" <kenreed1999@gmail.com> wrote in message
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I stopped watching a lot of ABC programs a couple of years back when
they started
constantly peddling left wing propaganda on just every news and
current affairs show.

At least they got rid of that "Leftie" Sarah Henderson now.
Still have ardent "Lefties" like Andrew Bolt on the Insiders pretty
regularly though.


MrT.

 

[Mr.T]

"Noodnik" <Noodnik@NotHere.com> wrote in message
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You can bet that some smart marketing people have ensured that the
increased
sales revenue will more than offset the total cost involved.

Which would actually require someone to be watching.

Don't get your hopes up. Brazil is actually fairly prudish in many areas
of
public morality. More like Kerri-Anne or Catriona Rowntree, and nothing
briefer than a modest bikini.

Yeah right, all those pictures of girls in thongs on Copacabana beach are
faked, as are the all the bare breasts at Mardi Gras I suppose.
Brazil gave it's name to "Brazilian Wax" for a reason after all!

MrT.

 

[mark krawczuk]

of course money wont help most of the time , you have to be very popular
and or very influential.


"kreed" <kenreed1999@gmail.com> wrote in message
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On Sep 23, 5:04 pm, "Mr.T" <MrT@home> wrote:

"Sylvia Else" <syl...@not.here.invalid> wrote in message

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You don't have to have money for lawyers, you only need to make them
think you do, and that you're suing on principle.

Dead right, so how many people CAN make a TV company think they have more
money than them? It's easy enough for them to check if you are on the Top
100 Rich List after all! For the rest of us, it's futile.

The legal system
is mostly about protecting the interests of the rich after all.

MrT.

You know your stuff.
I'm also glad you correctly said "legal" system and not "justice"
system.

I saw in the paper recently about a Gold Coast couple who spent some
$6 million
on legal fees for a defense for their son on a murder charge. He
didn't win.

Regardless of his guilt or innocence - the fact that this sum had to
be forked out for "justice"
demonstrates clearly that anyone not filthy rich - or qualifies for
legal basically has
zero chance of a fair hearing.


In the case of being up against a major corporation in a civil suit -
with their massive legal budget,
I doubt $6 mil would go very far if they chose to drag it out. The
only advantage here is that
at worst you only can go bankrupt, rather than go bankrupt and to
jail.

 

[kreed]

On Sep 27, 12:38 pm, "Mr.T" <MrT@home> wrote:

"kreed" <kenreed1...@gmail.com> wrote in message

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I stopped watching a lot of ABC programs a couple of years back when
they started
constantly peddling left wing propaganda on just every news and
current affairs show.

At least they got rid of that "Leftie" Sarah Henderson now.
Still have ardent "Lefties" like Andrew Bolt on the Insiders pretty
regularly though.


MrT.

This was mostly in 2008, I haven't watched it much since, so don't
know about her.
The overdose of such crap that was suddenly dumped on us at that time,
and shoved in
every program including QANDA was just too much for me. I prefer
balance, I don't need propaganda.


The last straw was a few months back with "Lateline" repeatedly trying
to refloat the "man made climate change" turd back to the top of the
bowl.
I gave up and haven't been back since.

 

[Mr.T]

"kreed" <kenreed1999@gmail.com> wrote in message
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I stopped watching a lot of ABC programs a couple of years back when
they started
constantly peddling left wing propaganda on just every news and
current affairs show.

At least they got rid of that "Leftie" Sarah Henderson now.
Still have ardent "Lefties" like Andrew Bolt on the Insiders pretty
regularly though.


This was mostly in 2008, I haven't watched it much since, so don't
know about her.

The overdose of such crap that was suddenly dumped on us at that time,
and shoved in
every program including QANDA was just too much for me. I prefer

balance, I don't need propaganda.

I Totally agree, so that rules out ALL the commercial channels. What DO you
watch then?

MrT.

 

[Mr.T]

"kreed" <kenreed1999@gmail.com> wrote in message
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I stopped watching a lot of ABC programs a couple of years back when
they started
constantly peddling left wing propaganda on just every news and
current affairs show.

At least they got rid of that "Leftie" Sarah Henderson now.
Still have ardent "Lefties" like Andrew Bolt on the Insiders pretty
regularly though.


}>This was mostly in 2008, I haven't watched it much since, so don't
know about her.
The overdose of such crap that was suddenly dumped on us at that time,
}> and shoved in
every program including QANDA was just too much for me. I prefer
}>balance, I don't need propaganda.

I Totally agree, so that rules out ALL the commercial channels. What DO
you
watch then?

}From memory Gruen transfer, Mythbusters, chaser (repeats) New inventors. if
I even
}remember to.

Funny, three of those four are on the channel you said you no longer watch
:-0


}I did watch a few current affairs things and QANDA during the election
}result wait to see what was going on.
}I don't really watch that much any more.
}I think I have developed an allergy.

You and the rest of us it seems.


}I think you and others have covered elsewhere on here the sad state of
}Aus TV.

Yes, at last we get far more channels than we've ever had, but the TV
stations are worse than ever. :-(

MrT.

 

[kreed]

On Sep 28, 3:51 pm, "Mr.T" <MrT@home> wrote:

"kreed" <kenreed1...@gmail.com> wrote in message

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I stopped watching a lot of ABC programs a couple of years back when
they started
constantly peddling left wing propaganda on just every news and
current affairs show.

At least they got rid of that "Leftie" Sarah Henderson now.
Still have ardent "Lefties" like Andrew Bolt on the Insiders pretty
regularly though.

This was mostly in 2008, I haven't watched it much since, so don't

know about her.
The overdose of such crap that was suddenly dumped on us at that time,
and shoved in
every program including QANDA was just too much for me. I prefer

balance, I don't need propaganda.

I Totally agree, so that rules out ALL the commercial channels. What DO you
watch then?

MrT.

From memory
Gruen transfer, Mythbusters, chaser (repeats) New inventors. if I even
remember to.


I did watch a few current affairs things and QANDA during the election
result wait to see what was going on.

I don't really watch that much any more.
I think I have developed an allergy.

I think you and others have covered elsewhere on here the sad state of
Aus TV.

 

[kreed]

On Sep 28, 6:33 pm, "Mr.T" <MrT@home> wrote:

"kreed" <kenreed1...@gmail.com> wrote in message

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I stopped watching a lot of ABC programs a couple of years back when
they started
constantly peddling left wing propaganda on just every news and
current affairs show.

At least they got rid of that "Leftie" Sarah Henderson now.
Still have ardent "Lefties" like Andrew Bolt on the Insiders pretty
regularly though.


}>This was mostly in 2008, I haven't watched it much since, so don't
know about her.
The overdose of such crap that was suddenly dumped on us at that time,
}> and shoved in
every program including QANDA was just too much for me. I prefer
}>balance, I don't need propaganda.

I Totally agree, so that rules out ALL the commercial channels. What DO
you
watch then?
}From memory Gruen transfer, Mythbusters, chaser (repeats) New inventors. if
I even
}remember to.

Funny, three of those four are on the channel you said you no longer watch
:-0

Well, watch a lot less

Used to have it on all the time, but the propaganda wave of 2008 was
too much for me and
that stopped. News and current affairs programs are gone.

Im not surprised to hear in another post on this group today about the
TV
emitting smoke and dying halfway through lateline

}I did watch a few current affairs things and QANDA during the election
}result wait to see what was going on.
}I don't really watch that much any more.
}I think I have developed an allergy.

You and the rest of us it seems.

}I think you and others have covered elsewhere on here the sad state of
}Aus TV.

Yes, at last we get far more channels than we've ever had, but the TV
stations are worse than ever. :-(

MrT.

I guess the budget then has to be stretched to cover 2 - 3 x as many
programs, meaning
that they have to buy cheaper and shittier stuff.