The Iron Law...

[John Larkin]

https://www.zerohedge.com/energy/green-projects-hit-iron-wall



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_High-Speed_Rail

That was approved at $10 billion, is now projected at 105, and will
likely hit 250, if it\'s ever done.

https://www.hoover.org/research/little-engine-couldnt-californias-high-speed-rail-costs-rise-200-million-mile

 

[Anthony William Sloman]

On Wednesday, May 24, 2023 at 2:02:43 PM UTC+10, John Larkin wrote:

https://www.zerohedge.com/energy/green-projects-hit-iron-wall



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_High-Speed_Rail

That was approved at $10 billion, is now projected at 105, and will
likely hit 250, if it\'s ever done.

https://www.hoover.org/research/little-engine-couldnt-californias-high-speed-rail-costs-rise-200-million-mile

The iron law is that if a bunch of right-wing nut cases write about a large government project, it is going to be one that has run into cost over-runs..

Projects that are novel often turn out to be more complicated and expensive than expected. There\'s nothing novel about high speed rail links - Japan and France have been running them for decades now - but Americans aren\'t happy to accept that they should build a Chinese copy of something that is known to work and insist on inventing their own solution, which turns out to be more complicated and expensive than expected. The fact that France and Japan both have rather higher population densities than California is an additional complication.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[John S]

On 5/23/2023 11:02 PM, John Larkin wrote:

https://www.zerohedge.com/energy/green-projects-hit-iron-wall



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_High-Speed_Rail

That was approved at $10 billion, is now projected at 105, and will
likely hit 250, if it\'s ever done.

https://www.hoover.org/research/little-engine-couldnt-californias-high-speed-rail-costs-rise-200-million-mile

Well, I guess you people in California have a problem, eh?

--
\"Ignorance can be educated, and crazy can be medicated, but stupid is
forever.\"

 

[John Larkin]

On Wed, 24 May 2023 10:18:17 -0500, John S <Sophi.2@invalid.org>
wrote:

On 5/23/2023 11:02 PM, John Larkin wrote:

https://www.zerohedge.com/energy/green-projects-hit-iron-wall



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_High-Speed_Rail

That was approved at $10 billion, is now projected at 105, and will
likely hit 250, if it\'s ever done.

https://www.hoover.org/research/little-engine-couldnt-californias-high-speed-rail-costs-rise-200-million-mile



Well, I guess you people in California have a problem, eh?

I suppose some do. The key to enjoying California, and probably to
enjoying anywhere, is to ignore and avoid unpleasent things when you
can, and indulge in the good bits. That is easily done in most of the
USA.

My little village is cool. I just delivered an assorted 6-pack of cold
beer to the (obviously illegal) Mexican guys building a deck next
door. They are great.

If you care about politics and read the news all the time, or flame on
newsgroups, you can make yourself miserable. Building things,
especially designing electronics, is a happier thing to do. Or
woodworking, or making music, whatever you can do.

 

[Fred Bloggs]

On Wednesday, May 24, 2023 at 12:02:43 AM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:

https://www.zerohedge.com/energy/green-projects-hit-iron-wall



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_High-Speed_Rail

That was approved at $10 billion, is now projected at 105, and will
likely hit 250, if it\'s ever done.

https://www.hoover.org/research/little-engine-couldnt-californias-high-speed-rail-costs-rise-200-million-mile

These are all workfare projects. No one has an ounce of concern for the costs. The more cost, and time to completion, if ever, the better.

 

[John Larkin]

On Wed, 24 May 2023 11:15:47 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
<bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com> wrote:

On Wednesday, May 24, 2023 at 12:02:43?AM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
https://www.zerohedge.com/energy/green-projects-hit-iron-wall



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_High-Speed_Rail

That was approved at $10 billion, is now projected at 105, and will
likely hit 250, if it\'s ever done.

https://www.hoover.org/research/little-engine-couldnt-californias-high-speed-rail-costs-rise-200-million-mile

These are all workfare projects. No one has an ounce of concern for the costs. The more cost, and time to completion, if ever, the better.

But it creates good union jobs.

 

[Anthony William Sloman]

On Thursday, May 25, 2023 at 4:12:06 AM UTC+10, John Larkin wrote:

On Wed, 24 May 2023 10:18:17 -0500, John S <Sop...@invalid.org
wrote:
On 5/23/2023 11:02 PM, John Larkin wrote:

https://www.zerohedge.com/energy/green-projects-hit-iron-wall

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_High-Speed_Rail

That was approved at $10 billion, is now projected at 105, and will likely hit 250, if it\'s ever done.

https://www.hoover.org/research/little-engine-couldnt-californias-high-speed-rail-costs-rise-200-million-mile

Well, I guess you people in California have a problem, eh?

I suppose some do. The key to enjoying California, and probably to enjoying anywhere, is to ignore and avoid unpleasent things when you can, and indulge in the good bits. That is easily done in most of the USA.

If you have enough money,

> My little village is cool. I just delivered an assorted 6-pack of cold beer to the (obviously illegal) Mexican guys building a deck next door. They are great.

Wonderful country where \"obviously illegal Mexicans\" are getting underpaid by some exploiter who is getting away with it. The current Australian goverment is dealing with out version of this by raising the salary threshold for the kind of work for whicuy you can inport people from $A55,000 per year to $A70,000 per year.

https://www.lexology.com/library/detail.aspx?g=2d7d241f-d9d8-44a8-875a-2fe7652c7363

It will probably put more pressure on the education system to train up more of the kind of people we used to import, which is a good thing. Trade schools have been turning themselves into \"universities\" rather too rapidly in recent decades.

> If you care about politics and read the news all the time, or flame on newsgroups, you can make yourself miserable. Building things, especially designing electronics, is a happier thing to do.

Persuading yourself that what you do in electronics is actually electronic design does seem to make you happy. A slightly more realistic outlook might give you better electronic circuits to sell.

> Or woodworking, or making music, whatever you can do.

Or can persuade other people that you can do. Being realistic about your capacities doesn\'t make you happy, but it can make other people happier.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[Anthony William Sloman]

On Thursday, May 25, 2023 at 5:38:42 AM UTC+10, John Larkin wrote:

On Wed, 24 May 2023 11:15:47 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Wednesday, May 24, 2023 at 12:02:43?AM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
https://www.zerohedge.com/energy/green-projects-hit-iron-wall



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_High-Speed_Rail

That was approved at $10 billion, is now projected at 105, and will
likely hit 250, if it\'s ever done.

https://www.hoover.org/research/little-engine-couldnt-californias-high-speed-rail-costs-rise-200-million-mile

These are all workfare projects. No one has an ounce of concern for the costs. The more cost, and time to completion, if ever, the better.

But it creates good union jobs.

The managements and planning clowns do even better, and they feed the politicians with the fantasy projects in the first place.

--
Bil Sloman, Sydhney

 

[John Larkin]

On Wed, 24 May 2023 21:46:49 -0700 (PDT), Anthony William Sloman
<bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote:

On Thursday, May 25, 2023 at 4:12:06?AM UTC+10, John Larkin wrote:
On Wed, 24 May 2023 10:18:17 -0500, John S <Sop...@invalid.org
wrote:
On 5/23/2023 11:02 PM, John Larkin wrote:

https://www.zerohedge.com/energy/green-projects-hit-iron-wall

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_High-Speed_Rail

That was approved at $10 billion, is now projected at 105, and will likely hit 250, if it\'s ever done.

https://www.hoover.org/research/little-engine-couldnt-californias-high-speed-rail-costs-rise-200-million-mile

Well, I guess you people in California have a problem, eh?

I suppose some do. The key to enjoying California, and probably to enjoying anywhere, is to ignore and avoid unpleasent things when you can, and indulge in the good bits. That is easily done in most of the USA.

If you have enough money,

My little village is cool. I just delivered an assorted 6-pack of cold beer to the (obviously illegal) Mexican guys building a deck next door. They are great.

Wonderful country where \"obviously illegal Mexicans\" are getting underpaid by some exploiter who is getting away with it.

They each get $75 per hour plus free beer. How much do you make?

 

[wmartin]

On 5/23/23 21:36, Anthony William Sloman wrote:

On Wednesday, May 24, 2023 at 2:02:43 PM UTC+10, John Larkin wrote:
https://www.zerohedge.com/energy/green-projects-hit-iron-wall



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_High-Speed_Rail

That was approved at $10 billion, is now projected at 105, and will
likely hit 250, if it\'s ever done.

https://www.hoover.org/research/little-engine-couldnt-californias-high-speed-rail-costs-rise-200-million-mile

The iron law is that if a bunch of right-wing nut cases write about a large government project, it is going to be one that has run into cost over-runs.

Projects that are novel often turn out to be more complicated and expensive than expected. There\'s nothing novel about high speed rail links - Japan and France have been running them for decades now - but Americans aren\'t happy to accept that they should build a Chinese copy of something that is known to work and insist on inventing their own solution, which turns out to be more complicated and expensive than expected. The fact that France and Japan both have rather higher population densities than California is an additional complication.

heh, that\'s not fair. There are plenty of dense people in California,
centered around Sacramento it seems.

 

[John Larkin]

On Thu, 25 May 2023 13:09:12 -0700, wmartin <wwm@wwmartin.net> wrote:

On 5/23/23 21:36, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
On Wednesday, May 24, 2023 at 2:02:43?PM UTC+10, John Larkin wrote:
https://www.zerohedge.com/energy/green-projects-hit-iron-wall



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_High-Speed_Rail

That was approved at $10 billion, is now projected at 105, and will
likely hit 250, if it\'s ever done.

https://www.hoover.org/research/little-engine-couldnt-californias-high-speed-rail-costs-rise-200-million-mile

The iron law is that if a bunch of right-wing nut cases write about a large government project, it is going to be one that has run into cost over-runs.

Projects that are novel often turn out to be more complicated and expensive than expected. There\'s nothing novel about high speed rail links - Japan and France have been running them for decades now - but Americans aren\'t happy to accept that they should build a Chinese copy of something that is known to work and insist on inventing their own solution, which turns out to be more complicated and expensive than expected. The fact that France and Japan both have rather higher population densities than California is an additional complication.

heh, that\'s not fair. There are plenty of dense people in California,
centered around Sacramento it seems.

Sure. Muscle is denser than fat.

 

[Anthony William Sloman]

On Friday, May 26, 2023 at 7:55:08 AM UTC+10, John Larkin wrote:

On Thu, 25 May 2023 13:09:12 -0700, wmartin <w...@wwmartin.net> wrote:

On 5/23/23 21:36, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
On Wednesday, May 24, 2023 at 2:02:43?PM UTC+10, John Larkin wrote:
https://www.zerohedge.com/energy/green-projects-hit-iron-wall



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_High-Speed_Rail

That was approved at $10 billion, is now projected at 105, and will
likely hit 250, if it\'s ever done.

https://www.hoover.org/research/little-engine-couldnt-californias-high-speed-rail-costs-rise-200-million-mile

The iron law is that if a bunch of right-wing nut cases write about a large government project, it is going to be one that has run into cost over-runs.

Projects that are novel often turn out to be more complicated and expensive than expected. There\'s nothing novel about high speed rail links - Japan and France have been running them for decades now - but Americans aren\'t happy to accept that they should build a Chinese copy of something that is known to work and insist on inventing their own solution, which turns out to be more complicated and expensive than expected. The fact that France and Japan both have rather higher population densities than California is an additional complication.

heh, that\'s not fair. There are plenty of dense people in California,
centered around Sacramento it seems.

Sure. Muscle is denser than fat.

But thinks just as effectively. Meat-headed versus fat-headed.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney