The Bidding is Getting Hot and Heavy...

[Watson A.Name \"Watt Sun]

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2589902180

Old timers are already bringing over a dozen bucks apiece, and there's
still almost three days to go.

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[Ian Bell]

Watson A.Name "Watt Sun - the Dark Remover" wrote:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2589902180

Old timers are already bringing over a dozen bucks apiece, and there's
still almost three days to go.

Weird - who would buy these? Are they collectors items now? (no pun
intended). I have a box full of old trannys from the 60's. Maybe I should
sell them on eBay?

Ian

 

[Dave Platt]

Watson A.Name "Watt Sun - the Dark Remover" wrote:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2589902180

Old timers are already bringing over a dozen bucks apiece, and there's
still almost three days to go.


Weird - who would buy these? Are they collectors items now? (no pun
intended). I have a box full of old trannys from the 60's. Maybe I should
sell them on eBay?

Interesting. The 3N22 is an interesting one... it looks to be one of
the first generation of "grown" (rather than point-contact) germanium
bipolar transistors. It's described as a tetrode, with two separate
leads attached to the base. The second base lead was used for a
specialized DC bias, allowing the usually-quite-slow germanium
junction transistor process of the era to be used at frequencies of up
to 15 MHz. The tetrode design became obsolete by the early 1960s once
other, higher-speed transistor types were developed.

They're probably collector's items (not many seem to have been made,
and the WE transistors were sold only to the military and phone
company), and might be used in doing authentic restorations of early
transistorized military and telco radios and equipment.

http://semiconductormuseum.com/PhotoGallery/PhotoGallery_3N22.htm

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[Lewin A.R.W. Edwards]

Ian Bell <ian@nowhere.com> wrote in message news:<busa32$4ov$2@news.ukfsn.org>...

I have a box full of old trannys from the 60's.

Okay... Humorous image there. "Tranny" has more meanings than "transistor".

 

[Watson A.Name - "Watt Sun]

In article <busa32$4ov$2@news.ukfsn.org>, ian@nowhere.com mentioned...

Watson A.Name "Watt Sun - the Dark Remover" wrote:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2589902180

Old timers are already bringing over a dozen bucks apiece, and there's
still almost three days to go.


Weird - who would buy these? Are they collectors items now? (no pun
intended). I have a box full of old trannys from the 60's. Maybe I should
sell them on eBay?

Ian

Well, quite obviously they're collectibles! Their performance is so
abysmal by today's standards that they are _not_ worth using in an
operating circuit except for maybe a crystal radio. So far the
bidding has stayed at that point, but I figure about ten minutes to
closing, things will start to get hot again.

But you think that's bad? Try this one! They're NOS!! Never been
used! In original boxes, which some dealers will tell you makes the
item worth a whole lot more! I expect these, which are now at about
$8 each, to climb to more than the above transistors before the
auction is over. We'll know by this time tomorrow, since there's less
than a day left. BTW, Tim will *really* like these, because they each
come in a Sylvania TOOB box!

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2590765213&category
=4666&sspagename=STRK%3AMEBWA%3AIT&rd=1

And then there's this guy. He seems to be an opportunist. I've been
watching this paricular bag of transistors for almost a month now. He
hasn't sold it yet. He doesn't get the picture that if you try to
sell something like this without any documentation on what it is, or
what it's used for, and if you just set a high minimum bid, and then
charge a lot for shipping, almost no one will bid on it. But with
almost 2500 auctions under his belt, you would think that he has
enough experience by now to know better. So I figure he is the kind
that really doesn't care about sales, he's just waiting for a sucker
to come along and fall for his bait. And there are enough suckers out
there to make it worthwhile. I got a bag of almost 200 transistors
thru the mail the other day and the postage was a whopping 60 cents,
and this guy's charging $4.85, making him a nice tidy profit of $4.25.
And with a $6 minimum, that's over ten bucks for a bag of 100
transistors, well above what you can buy them for at Mouser or Digi-
key. But if the fool would just include some data or a URL to a data
sheet, he would probably find a sucker ^H^H^H^H^H^H buyer. Duh.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2590515042&category
=4666


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Just when you thought you had all this figured out, the gov't
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[Watson A.Name - "Watt Sun]

In article <608b6569.0401231859.625958ba@posting.google.com>,
larwe@larwe.com mentioned...

Ian Bell <ian@nowhere.com> wrote in message news:<busa32$4ov$2@news.ukfsn.org>...

I have a box full of old trannys from the 60's.

Okay... Humorous image there. "Tranny" has more meanings than "transistor".

Yeah, I associate that name with either a transformer, or a
transmission when talking about automobile stuff.

If you wanna splurge on Ebay, how 'bout this one? A lotta people on
the east coast will probably look at the pic and say, yeah, that's
pretty, but after freezing my butt off in this damn cold weather, NO
THANKS!

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3380814283


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[Sir Charles W. Shults III]

Here is another good one- I will probably put this on Ebay myself. I
have an original Intel 4004 processor chip. That's right, the very first
CPU ever made! It's in a gold case and is in a small DIP, and it still
works. I also have some of the original support EPROMS and RAMs. You never
know!

Cheers!

Chip Shults

 

[Jeff]

"Watson A.Name - Watt Sun, Dark Remover" <alondra101@hotmail.com> wrote in
message news:MPG.1a7bc3fa9b60ac94989b81@news.dslextreme.com...

In article <busa32$4ov$2@news.ukfsn.org>, ian@nowhere.com mentioned...
Watson A.Name "Watt Sun - the Dark Remover" wrote:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2589902180

Old timers are already bringing over a dozen bucks apiece, and there's
still almost three days to go.


Weird - who would buy these? Are they collectors items now? (no pun
intended). I have a box full of old trannys from the 60's. Maybe I
should
sell them on eBay?

Ian

Well, quite obviously they're collectibles! Their performance is so
abysmal by today's standards that they are _not_ worth using in an
operating circuit except for maybe a crystal radio. So far the
bidding has stayed at that point, but I figure about ten minutes to
closing, things will start to get hot again.

But you think that's bad? Try this one! They're NOS!! Never been
used! In original boxes, which some dealers will tell you makes the
item worth a whole lot more! I expect these, which are now at about
$8 each, to climb to more than the above transistors before the
auction is over. We'll know by this time tomorrow, since there's less
than a day left. BTW, Tim will *really* like these, because they each
come in a Sylvania TOOB box!

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2590765213&category
=4666&sspagename=STRK%3AMEBWA%3AIT&rd=1

And then there's this guy. He seems to be an opportunist. I've been
watching this paricular bag of transistors for almost a month now. He
hasn't sold it yet. He doesn't get the picture that if you try to
sell something like this without any documentation on what it is, or
what it's used for, and if you just set a high minimum bid, and then
charge a lot for shipping, almost no one will bid on it. But with
almost 2500 auctions under his belt, you would think that he has
enough experience by now to know better. So I figure he is the kind
that really doesn't care about sales, he's just waiting for a sucker
to come along and fall for his bait. And there are enough suckers out
there to make it worthwhile. I got a bag of almost 200 transistors
thru the mail the other day and the postage was a whopping 60 cents,
and this guy's charging $4.85, making him a nice tidy profit of $4.25.
And with a $6 minimum, that's over ten bucks for a bag of 100
transistors, well above what you can buy them for at Mouser or Digi-
key. But if the fool would just include some data or a URL to a data
sheet, he would probably find a sucker ^H^H^H^H^H^H buyer. Duh.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2590515042&category
=4666


There was a guy on ebay selling 1A diodes (almost positive they were

1n4001's) for $1 each with expensive shipping, stating they were for solar
cells. He even stated that you could parallel them up for larger panels.
Ripoff, and paralleling diodes in not a good idea due to the negative
temperature coefficent.

Then their's the 2 sellers that hype up P I and PII laptops so much that
they generally get more for them then a high end P III laptop with much
better screens, more ram, and much larger HD's etc. Most noteable when you
see headings and statements like HUMMER H2 of laptops, huge bottomless 2.1
GB hard drive, or the laptop is equivalant to a P I 500 MHz. Every word
relating to a specification is als usually higlighted. A P II 266MHz went
for $5xx US a few weeks ago. Sad.

 

[Mark (UK)]

LOL! I think he more meant......boy transistors that like to wear dresses?

Yours, Mark.

Watson A.Name - Watt Sun, Dark Remover wrote:

In article <608b6569.0401231859.625958ba@posting.google.com>,
larwe@larwe.com mentioned...

Ian Bell <ian@nowhere.com> wrote in message news:<busa32$4ov$2@news.ukfsn.org>...


I have a box full of old trannys from the 60's.

Okay... Humorous image there. "Tranny" has more meanings than "transistor".


Yeah, I associate that name with either a transformer, or a
transmission when talking about automobile stuff.

If you wanna splurge on Ebay, how 'bout this one? A lotta people on
the east coast will probably look at the pic and say, yeah, that's
pretty, but after freezing my butt off in this damn cold weather, NO
THANKS!

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3380814283

 

[Roger Gt]

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"Sir Charles W. Shults III"
<nowayjose@planetpluto.com> wrote in message
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Here is another good one- I will probably
put this on Ebay myself. I
have an original Intel 4004 processor chip.
That's right, the very first
CPU ever made! It's in a gold case and is in a
small DIP, and it still
works. I also have some of the original support
EPROMS and RAMs. You never
know!

Cheers!

Chip Shults

I have one of these too! Never figured it was
worth anything.... Just a spare from a (very old)
project!

 

[DarkMatter]

On Sat, 24 Jan 2004 17:06:43 GMT, "Jeff" <levy_jeff@hotmail.com> Gave
us:

and paralleling diodes in not a good idea due to the negative
temperature coefficent.

At least not unless one joins them thermally with a good epoxy, such
that they rise up in temp at equal, or near equal rates.

I was surprised to see my "Enermax" (I thought they were good) 350W
ATX PC supply had a pair of diodes paralleled in it at a gap of a half
inch of air. A sure bet that one would hog the current, and if the
design was marginal, it would fail, then the other.

That was an UNREAL design flaw to me. How it made it to the
production floor, I'll never know. Some lame tech prolly "fixed" the
first article, and sent the "change" to the production floor,
bypassing any real engineering steps.

 

[j.b. miller]

Yes you have the 4004 BUT do you have the original DATA books that came with
it !!

 

[Paul Burridge]

On Sat, 24 Jan 2004 12:52:01 GMT, "Sir Charles W. Shults III"
<nowayjose@planetpluto.com> wrote:

Here is another good one- I will probably put this on Ebay myself. I
have an original Intel 4004 processor chip. That's right, the very first
CPU ever made! It's in a gold case and is in a small DIP, and it still
works. I also have some of the original support EPROMS and RAMs. You never
know!

Hey! There's some hope for my shoebox full of 741s too, then!
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[Paul Burridge]

On Sun, 25 Jan 2004 07:41:17 -0500, "j.b. miller"
<invalidjbmiller@cogeco.ca> wrote:

Yes you have the 4004 BUT do you have the original DATA books that came with
it !!

Plus an unbroken chain of ownership papers. Provenance is
all-important.
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[DarkMatter]

On Sun, 25 Jan 2004 15:09:28 +0000, Paul Burridge
<pb@osiris1.notthisbit.co.uk> Gave us:

On Sat, 24 Jan 2004 12:52:01 GMT, "Sir Charles W. Shults III"
nowayjose@planetpluto.com> wrote:

Here is another good one- I will probably put this on Ebay myself. I
have an original Intel 4004 processor chip. That's right, the very first
CPU ever made! It's in a gold case and is in a small DIP, and it still
works. I also have some of the original support EPROMS and RAMs. You never
know!

Hey! There's some hope for my shoebox full of 741s too, then!

Shoe box? I have two, two foot on each side, cube sized boxes full
of nearly every chip in the series.

I have panel mount mil LEDs with hermetic cases and glass lenses that
were $35.00 each ten years ago. I wonder what a few of those would go
for. I have shitloads of RCR nd RWR resistors and such. Some, we
cannot even find vendors OR makers for any more.

 

[Roger Gt]

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"Paul Burridge" <pb@osiris1.notthisbit.co.uk>
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On Sun, 25 Jan 2004 07:41:17 -0500, "j.b.
miller"
invalidjbmiller@cogeco.ca> wrote:

Yes you have the 4004 BUT do you have the
original DATA books that came with
it !!

Plus an unbroken chain of ownership papers.
Provenance is
all-important.

I have a Manual, and certs shipped with it. My
assembler and the program I wrote for it. All in
my lousy file system!

But it is not like this chip was a key element in
"Rover" is it?

PS: NOT for sale!

 

[Andre]

"Sir Charles W. Shults III" <nowayjose@planetpluto.com> wrote in message news:<RTtQb.102463$I05.1987797@twister.tampabay.rr.com>...

Here is another good one- I will probably put this on Ebay myself. I
have an original Intel 4004 processor chip. That's right, the very first
CPU ever made! It's in a gold case and is in a small DIP, and it still
works. I also have some of the original support EPROMS and RAMs. You never
know!

LOL!, I've got an 8088, 80286, 80387 and some others.

Cheers!

Chip Shults

 

[Watson A.Name - "Watt Sun]

In article <0ZTQb.17158$hl6.2491@newssvr25.news.prodigy.com>,
not@here.net mentioned...

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"Paul Burridge" <pb@osiris1.notthisbit.co.uk
wrote in message
news:fom71094ubj3d2nrda9olvrk0rplbitu5h@4ax.com...
On Sun, 25 Jan 2004 07:41:17 -0500, "j.b.
miller"
invalidjbmiller@cogeco.ca> wrote:

Yes you have the 4004 BUT do you have the
original DATA books that came with
it !!

Plus an unbroken chain of ownership papers.
Provenance is
all-important.


I have a Manual, and certs shipped with it. My
assembler and the program I wrote for it. All in
my lousy file system!

But it is not like this chip was a key element in
"Rover" is it?

Naw, they said the Rover CPU is a 20 MHz PowerPC(!)

PS: NOT for sale!

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[Rich Grise]

My very first computer was a Scelbi 8-H. It had an 8008,
and, I think 256 bytes of RAM or so. I mail ordered some
1Kbyte chips, and soldered them in, idiot that I was.
I didn't buy it; I traded some guy my Heathkit IO-10 or
whatever it was - about a $600.00 value. Interestingly,
the comp. I'm at now was about $600.00 about a year ago.

And nary a toggle switch to be found! (the Scelbi had
toggle switches, buttons, and LEDs for an interface. ;-) )

Cheers!
Rich

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"Sir Charles W. Shults III"
nowayjose@planetpluto.com> wrote in message
news:RTtQb.102463$I05.1987797@twister.tampabay.rr.com...
Here is another good one- I will probably
put this on Ebay myself. I
have an original Intel 4004 processor chip.
That's right, the very first
CPU ever made! It's in a gold case and is in a
small DIP, and it still
works. I also have some of the original support
EPROMS and RAMs. You never
know!

Cheers!

Chip Shults

I have one of these too! Never figured it was
worth anything.... Just a spare from a (very old)
project!

[1] The Scelbi had a bank of 8 toggle switches, and
2 rows of LEDs for address (14 bits) and data (8 bits),
and certain processor control states; I forget which.
And three pushbuttons - "interrupt," "step," and "run."
Using those, the user (me) would cycle through essentially
microinstruction cycles. Its form of "vectored interrupt"
was that whatever was lying on the data bus to be read
at the time that the chip is responding to the interrupt,
it executes, typically a "jmp" instruction, or a "mov H, N":

set switches to 357 octal - "move H, N"
Press "interrupt" button. Observe

 

[Rich Grise]

I had an 8086 once, and I used to take it out just
to admire it and fantasize about the circuit I was
going to build for it. Then I got the job in the
video game shop, and microprocessors already on
boards with video drivers and interfaces and ROM
sockets and everything started falling out of the
sky.

Cheers!
Rich

"Andre" <testing_h@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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"Sir Charles W. Shults III" <nowayjose@planetpluto.com> wrote in message
news:<RTtQb.102463$I05.1987797@twister.tampabay.rr.com>...
Here is another good one- I will probably put this on Ebay myself. I
have an original Intel 4004 processor chip. That's right, the very
first
CPU ever made! It's in a gold case and is in a small DIP, and it still
works. I also have some of the original support EPROMS and RAMs. You
never
know!

LOL!, I've got an 8088, 80286, 80387 and some others.



Cheers!

Chip Shults