Thank you again...(This is crossposted I hope this does not

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Scott Wiper

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I would like to thank Jim Thompson and GPG for his suggestion and the schamatic he has created.

The binford 7000 light controller is so to be a reality. As I said before I am still learning the basics and I am not comfortable using micro controllers as of yet. I have to learn how to write source code for the devices.

I thought these groups were to help us newbies that are getting into electronics that get stumped every so often. Is this not how we learn?

Tam G... You are correct using a micro controller for this concept.

Can you give a ball park figure as to how much it would cost for the programmeing software.?

Can you also give a ball park figure it would cost to get the programmeing board to flash a series of controllers such as the PIC family or the Atmel series?


As for the simple UPS that you all have helped design it works well even though Q2 gets a bit warm. Not burning hot. yust warm. It's has been inserted into the powerline clocked project the binford 6000 light controller. I have tested to shut off point and full recharge. They are up for people to build just remove the 7000.gif to see them there.



http://www.travel-net.com/~swiper/7000.gif Sheet A
http://www.travel-net.com/~swiper/70002.gif Sheet B
http://www.travel-net.com/~swiper/70003.gif Sheel C

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On Tue, 30 Mar 2004 22:33:13 -0500, Scott Wiper wrote:

I would like to thank Jim Thompson and GPG for his suggestion and the schamatic he has created.

The binford 7000 light controller is so to be a reality. As I said before I am still learning the basics and I am not comfortable using micro controllers as of yet. I have to learn how to write source code for the devices.

I thought these groups were to help us newbies that are getting into electronics that get stumped every so often. Is this not how we learn?

Tam G... You are correct using a micro controller for this concept.

Can you give a ball park figure as to how much it would cost for the programmeing software.?

Can you also give a ball park figure it would cost to get the programmeing board to flash a series of controllers such as the PIC family or the Atmel series?

As for the simple UPS that you all have helped design it works well even though Q2 gets a bit warm. Not burning hot. yust warm. It's has been inserted into the powerline clocked project the binford 6000 light controller. I have tested to shut off point and full recharge. They are up for people to build just remove the 7000.gif to see them there.

http://www.travel-net.com/~swiper/7000.gif Sheet A
http://www.travel-net.com/~swiper/70002.gif Sheet B
http://www.travel-net.com/~swiper/70003.gif Sheel C
Click to expand...

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"Fred Bloggs" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message news:406AB05B.6000000@nospam.com...


Scott Wiper wrote:
I would like to thank Jim Thompson and GPG for his suggestion and the schamatic he has created.

The binford 7000 light controller is so to be a reality. As I said before I am still learning the basics and I am not comfortable using micro controllers as of yet. I have to learn how to write source code for the devices.

I thought these groups were to help us newbies that are getting into electronics that get stumped every so often. Is this not how we learn?

Tam G... You are correct using a micro controller for this concept.

Can you give a ball park figure as to how much it would cost for the programmeing software.?

Can you also give a ball park figure it would cost to get the programmeing board to flash a series of controllers such as the PIC family or the Atmel series?


As for the simple UPS that you all have helped design it works well even though Q2 gets a bit warm. Not burning hot. yust warm. It's has been inserted into the powerline clocked project the binford 6000 light controller. I have tested to shut off point and full recharge. They are up for people to build just remove the 7000.gif to see them there.



http://www.travel-net.com/~swiper/7000.gif Sheet A
http://www.travel-net.com/~swiper/70002.gif Sheet B
http://www.travel-net.com/~swiper/70003.gif Sheel C
Click to expand...
Your circuit does not come close to working adequately because the LDR
removes U14 RST asynchronously with respect to U13 COUT one hour clock
pulses. This means the delay time can range randomly from four to five
hours. The same problems occur with the U7 delay ranging at random from
zero to 120 seconds or whatever. This is can be fixed by OR'ing the U14
RST with RST's on U7, U10, U11, U12, and U13. The best option is to
scrap the whole design as shown and go with a self-oscillating 74HC4060
and 74HC4020 combination using an NP0 RC timing circuit tuned for
approximately 32.768KHz which starts with LDR going dark and stops with
a 74HC4017 reaching state Q5 as in your existing circuit. It also looks
like you are attempting to apply that long delay to a heater relay
control, good way to overcome transport lag, but this needs to be fixed too.
As for the cross-posting, don't worry about it- I deem your posting
content to be on-topic, and a welcome change from the 90% off-topic
posts to SED- so much inter-tree simian banter to filter and plonk-
USENET is infested with brain damaged drug abusers and self-styled
programmers. Pay no attention to them.

I could use a quartz crytal at 32.768KHZ for the timing that you can see here. http://www.travel-net.com/~swiper/crystal.gif
 
On Tue, 30 Mar 2004, Active8 wrote in
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As a cross post is a single message I'm not clear what you mean by
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Scott Wiper wrote:

I could use a quartz crytal at 32.768KHZ for the timing that you can
see here. http://www.travel-net.com/~swiper/crystal.gif
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Yes- a candidate system would like so- use 74HCXXX throughout:
Please view in a fixed-width font such as Courier.


BINFORD 7000 Mn= SUBCKT MODULES

M1-----------------+ M2-----------------+
| 32.768KHz | | DIVIDER |
| 74HC4060 | | 74HC4040 |
| XSTL OSC | 2HZ |1 PULSE/6 MINS |
| | CLK | |
| MR OUT |---+---|>CP MR OUT |---->TO TOTALIZER
+------------------+ | +------------------+ RELAY DRVR
| | |
| +------|----------+
--- | |
'0' | |
| |
| | M3-----------------+
| | | DIVIDER |
| | | 74HC4020 | | | |
| | |1 PULSE/2048 SECS | | | |
| | | | -+---+---+-
| +--+---|>CP MR OUT |--+
| | +------------------+ |
| | | |
LIGHT='1' +---|-------------+ |
-----+ | | |
LDR | ----> | | +-------------------------+
OUT | | | | DARK + 5HR
+---- | | | M4-----------------+ |
DARK='0' | | | | 5-HOUR TIMER | \ /
| | | | 74HC4040 | ------+
| | | | | |
| | | | | +--->
| | +---|>CP MR OUT |---->TO LIGHT B
| | +------------------+ RELAY DRVR
| | |
| | |
+---| -------------+-------------+
| |
| M5-----------------+ |
| | LDR COMPARATOR | | LIGHT
| | AND DELAY TIMER | | ---+
| | | | | DARK
| | | | +----->
+------|>CP LDR OUT |--+->TO LIGHT A
| +------------------+ RELAY DRVR
|
| M6-----------------+
| | THERMISTOR |
| | COMPARATOR |
| | AND DELAY TIMER |
| | |
+------|>CP OUT |---->TO THERMISTOR
+------------------+ RELAY DRVR





EXAMPLE M5 LDR COMPARATOR AND DELAY TIMER MODULE


FUNCTION: CHANGE IN LDR STATE STEADY ~4 MINS FOR VALID
M5---------------------------------------------------------+
| |
| +-----------------------------+ |
| | | |
| | 1/4 | |
| | 74HC02 | |
| +----\ \ +----74HC4040-+ | |
| | >o---|>CP | | +------->| LDR
CP|>------------------/__/ | | | | | OUT
| | | | | |
| |MR Q10 | | | |
| +-------------+ | | |
| 1/6 | | | | |
| 74HC14 1/4 | +----+ +------+ |
| 74HC86 | | | |
| |\ 6.8K __ | | '1' 1/2 | |
| +-| o-+-/\/\--+----\\ \ | | +---o--74HC74| |
| | |/ | | || >---+ | | PR _| | |
| | +-------|----//__/ | | Q|---+ |
| | | | +---------|D | |
| | | ===100p | | | | |
| | | | | +---|>CP | |
| | | --- | | Q| |
| | | /// | | CLR | |
| | +------------------------+ +---o----+ |
| | '1' |
| +---------------------------------+ |
| |\ | |
| 5V---/\/\--+---------|-\ | |
| | | >--+ |
| +++ Vref-|+/ |
| L |/| |/ |
| D |\| |
| R |/| COMPARATOR |
| +-+ |
| | |
| --- |
| /// |
+----------------------------------------------------------+
 
Fred Bloggs wrote:
[...snip...]

Correction to the Module 5 to make it perfect:
Please view in a fixed-width font such as Courier.



EXAMPLE M5 LDR COMPARATOR AND DELAY TIMER MODULE


FUNCTION: CHANGE IN LDR STATE STEADY ~4 MINS FOR VALID
M5---------------------------------------------------------+
| |
| +-----------------------------+ |
| | | |
| | 1/4 | |
| | 74HC02 | |
| +----\ \ +----74HC4040-+ | |
| | >o---|>CP | | +------->| LDR
CP|>------------------/__/ | | | | | OUT
| | | | | |
| |MR Q10 | | | |
| +-------------+ | | |
| 1/6 | | | | |
| 74HC14 | +----+ +------+ |
| +-------------|--+ | | |
| |\ 6.8K | __ | | | '1' 1/2 | |
| +-| o-+-/\/\--+----\\ \ | | | +---o--74HC74| |
| | |/ | | || >---+ | | | PR _| | |
| | +-------|----//__/ | | | Q|---+ |
| | | 1/4 +---------|D | |
| | ===100p 74HC86 | | | |
| | | +---|>CP | |
| | --- | Q| |
| | /// | CLR | |
| | +---o----+ |
| | '1' |
| +---------------------------------+ |
| |\ | |
| 5V---/\/\--+---------|-\ | |
| | | >--+ |
| +++ Vref-|+/ |
| L |/| |/ |
| D |\| |
| R |/| COMPARATOR |
| +-+ |
| | |
| --- |
| /// |
+----------------------------------------------------------+
 
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