'test wiring' my Ideal German paper shredder/bypassing the c

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bill yohler

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was given a 'lightly disassembled', non-functional (but complete)
German paper shredder, and told 'it won't run' and 'you can have it'.
Not sure what the problem is exactly, but, right now I _need_ a
shredder, but before going further, I'd like to 'partially test it' by
bypassing the small circuit board <and its sensors> and just seeing if
I can get the motor to 'power up' monetarily, at least. however, not
sure the motor on the shredder is 'capacitor start/capacitor run' type
or if it's just 'capacitor start only'? how's one figure THAT out,
anyway?

PLEASE see about 15 good clear pix of this shredder and it's wires I
posted at
http://members.cox.net/tool_box/

it's an "Ideal model 2100" made in Germany by Ideal-Werk, if that
helps any...

thanks for ideas on this :)
 
I couldn't be bothered with a paper shredder. I have a fireplace in the
backyard into which I simply throw any 'confidential' papers and toss a
lighted match in after them. Easier and faster and less bulk to throw out.
 
billyohler@aol.com (bill yohler) writes:

was given a 'lightly disassembled', non-functional (but complete)
German paper shredder, and told 'it won't run' and 'you can have it'.
Not sure what the problem is exactly, but, right now I _need_ a
shredder, but before going further, I'd like to 'partially test it' by
bypassing the small circuit board <and its sensors> and just seeing if
I can get the motor to 'power up' monetarily, at least. however, not
sure the motor on the shredder is 'capacitor start/capacitor run' type
or if it's just 'capacitor start only'? how's one figure THAT out,
anyway?

PLEASE see about 15 good clear pix of this shredder and it's wires I
posted at
http://members.cox.net/tool_box/

it's an "Ideal model 2100" made in Germany by Ideal-Werk, if that
helps any...

thanks for ideas on this :)
Click to expand...
Can't tell from the pix but you can always assume it's capacitor start and
see if it will turn, then disconnect the capacitor. Any induction motor
will continue to run (unloaded) with only one phase once it starts.

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"bill yohler" <billyohler@aol.com> wrote in message
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was given a 'lightly disassembled', non-functional (but complete)
German paper shredder, and told 'it won't run' and 'you can have it'.
Not sure what the problem is exactly, but, right now I _need_ a
shredder, but before going further, I'd like to 'partially test it' by
bypassing the small circuit board <and its sensors> and just seeing if
I can get the motor to 'power up' monetarily, at least. however, not
sure the motor on the shredder is 'capacitor start/capacitor run' type
or if it's just 'capacitor start only'? how's one figure THAT out,
anyway?
Click to expand...
Just short out the relay contacts, that's it. No matter what sort of motor
it uses (looks like capacitor run) there is only one relay in the circuit
and it is the only part that actually switches the motor thus the only thing
to bypass.

Dimitrij
 
"bill yohler" <billyohler@aol.com> wrote in message
news:b356bedf.0312281254.24dc0d11@posting.google.com...
was given a 'lightly disassembled', non-functional (but complete)
German paper shredder, and told 'it won't run' and 'you can have it'.
Not sure what the problem is exactly, but, right now I _need_ a
shredder, but before going further, I'd like to 'partially test it' by
bypassing the small circuit board <and its sensors> and just seeing if
I can get the motor to 'power up' monetarily, at least. however, not
sure the motor on the shredder is 'capacitor start/capacitor run' type
or if it's just 'capacitor start only'? how's one figure THAT out,
anyway?

PLEASE see about 15 good clear pix of this shredder and it's wires I
posted at
http://members.cox.net/tool_box/

it's an "Ideal model 2100" made in Germany by Ideal-Werk, if that
helps any...

thanks for ideas on this :)
Click to expand...
This IS a made for the States version isnt it? Germany uses 220VAC for
such...and another reason the board can be configured in both voltages...
 
billyohler@aol.com (bill yohler) wrote in
news:b356bedf.0312281254.24dc0d11@posting.google.com:

was given a 'lightly disassembled', non-functional (but complete)
German paper shredder, and told 'it won't run' and 'you can have it'.
Not sure what the problem is exactly, but, right now I _need_ a
shredder, but before going further, I'd like to 'partially test it' by
bypassing the small circuit board <and its sensors> and just seeing if
I can get the motor to 'power up' monetarily, at least. however, not
sure the motor on the shredder is 'capacitor start/capacitor run' type
or if it's just 'capacitor start only'? how's one figure THAT out,
anyway?

PLEASE see about 15 good clear pix of this shredder and it's wires I
posted at
http://members.cox.net/tool_box/

it's an "Ideal model 2100" made in Germany by Ideal-Werk, if that
helps any...

thanks for ideas on this :)
Click to expand...
It MIGHT have a pulse width modulator circuit that feeds more power to the
motor as the load inceases. I have an electric lawnmower with a similar
cuicuit. Look for a square piece of black plastic, might say like 2916 or
2919 or something like that. If so, you could fix it or make a replacement
circuit (see www.allegromicro.com), but it's really not worth it.

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Every home I've been in in Germany was wired for 240 volts, 50 Hz. The
only 120 volt source you'll find is a step-down transformer powering US
electronics.

RB

bill yohler wrote:
was given a 'lightly disassembled', non-functional (but complete)
German paper shredder, and told 'it won't run' and 'you can have it'.
Not sure what the problem is exactly, but, right now I _need_ a
shredder, but before going further, I'd like to 'partially test it' by
bypassing the small circuit board <and its sensors> and just seeing if
I can get the motor to 'power up' monetarily, at least. however, not
sure the motor on the shredder is 'capacitor start/capacitor run' type
or if it's just 'capacitor start only'? how's one figure THAT out,
anyway?

PLEASE see about 15 good clear pix of this shredder and it's wires I
posted at
http://members.cox.net/tool_box/

it's an "Ideal model 2100" made in Germany by Ideal-Werk, if that
helps any...

thanks for ideas on this :)
Click to expand...
 
From: Sam
Can't tell from the pix but you can always assume it's capacitor
start and
see if it will turn, then disconnect the capacitor. Any induction
motor
will continue to run (unloaded) with only one phase once it starts.
Click to expand...
right, I was assuming it's at _least- cpacitior start, but really
hoping to find out
here if it's also 'capacitor run' as well<???>is there some way I can
tell, or
'best judge' wether it is or not by the spec's on side of the cap
itself?


From: Des
I couldn't be bothered with a paper shredder. I have a fireplace in
the
backyard into which I simply throw any 'confidential' papers and toss
a
lighted match in after them. Easier and faster and less bulk to
throw out.
Click to expand...


right, wife and I've been burning box after box of stuff in a 5 gallon
metal pail...stirring it up with an old rebar. but it takes hours
sometimes,
and it gets kinda, uhh, hot...plus we get all 'smokey stink', flaming
stuff blowing all over the yard...... :)

From: Dimitrij
Just short out the relay contacts, that's it. No matter what sort of
motor
it uses (looks like capacitor run) there is only one relay in the
circuit
and it is the only part that actually switches the motor thus the
only thing
to bypass
Click to expand...
well, if it's just 'capacitor start' only, and I do as you advise,
wouldn't that 'burn out' the cap 'in short order'?

From: CBhvac
This IS a made for the States version isnt it?
yes, for sure, it's "known to be a US version".
Germany uses 220VAC for
such...
yes, right...
Click to expand...

From: (none) 'lawnmower man' :)
It MIGHT have a pulse width modulator circuit that feeds more power
to the
motor as the load inceases. I have an electric lawnmower with a
similar
cuicuit. Look for a square piece of black plastic, might say like
2916 or
2919 or something like that. If so, you could fix it or make a
replacement
circuit (see www.allegromicro.com), but it's really not worth it.
Click to expand...
so you're saying it's some kind of 'chip' then? other than what's
pictured
(the circuit board, cap, and motor) there are NO other electrical
devices
on the shredder of ANY sort, other than a thermal sensor, in the steel
upper
cover/center (lead from it plugs into the circuit board)

ok, guys, I'm still trying to figure out if it's capacitor RUN as well
as being capacitor start. how best to guess?

by the way, is there any possibility the capacitor could be just for
RUN
and NOT also be for "start"? (I'm guessing no, but??)

there are four leads out of my motor 'sheath', and 2 out of the
'capacitor'. that info help any? also, without too much trouble, I
could temporarily unbolt the cap and/or the motor, to take good clear
pix of their labels/nomenclature plates and post those. would any of
that help clear anything up?

....obviously, I'm still clueless :-/

thanks to all :)
 
billyohler@aol.com (bill yohler) writes:

From: Sam
Can't tell from the pix but you can always assume it's capacitor
start and
see if it will turn, then disconnect the capacitor. Any induction
motor
will continue to run (unloaded) with only one phase once it starts.

right, I was assuming it's at _least- cpacitior start, but really
hoping to find out
here if it's also 'capacitor run' as well<???>is there some way I can
tell, or
'best judge' wether it is or not by the spec's on side of the cap
itself?
Click to expand...
If you mean the "240 uF" that was visible in one of the photos, that's
way too big for a run cap.

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