Test components on the motherboard

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Allen

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Hi all


It possible testing, with a multimeter, electronic components, resistor,
integrated circuits, on a laptop motherboard?


Thanks

Regards
 
Allen <nessun@mail.xom> wrote in message
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Hi all


It possible testing, with a multimeter, electronic components, resistor,
integrated circuits, on a laptop motherboard?


Thanks

Regards
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fuses are about the limit, assuming they can be recognised or marked as
fuses
 
On Tue, 12 Jul 2011 13:51:41 +0200, "Allen" <nessun@mail.xom> put
finger to keyboard and composed:

It possible testing, with a multimeter, electronic components, resistor,
integrated circuits, on a laptop motherboard?
Click to expand...
Yes. Which laptop do you have?

- Franc Zabkar
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Please remove one 'i' from my address when replying by email.
 
On 2011-07-12 13:51:41 +0200, "Allen" <nessun@mail.xom> said:

Hi all


It possible testing, with a multimeter, electronic components, resistor,
integrated circuits, on a laptop motherboard?


Thanks

Regards
Click to expand...
main failure on a motherboard is the capacitors leaking
you need an esr meter to test them
a multimeter cannot do that

you can get esr meter schematics free and commercials here :
http://kripton2035.free.fr/esr-repository.html

regards,

--
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Kripton
 
On Jul 12, 6:51 am, "Allen" <nes...@mail.xom> wrote:
Hi all

It possible testing,  with a multimeter, electronic components, resistor,
integrated circuits, on a laptop motherboard?

Thanks

Regards
Click to expand...
Is it possible (using a multimeter) to test the components on a laptop
motherboard? No! Check eBay for a replacement.
 
Kripton wrote:
On 2011-07-12 13:51:41 +0200, "Allen" <nessun@mail.xom> said:


Hi all


It possible testing, with a multimeter, electronic components, resistor,
integrated circuits, on a laptop motherboard?


Thanks

Regards

main failure on a motherboard is the capacitors leaking
you need an esr meter to test them
a multimeter cannot do that

you can get esr meter schematics free and commercials here :
http://kripton2035.free.fr/esr-repository.html

regards,

I think your heart's in the right place.
Click to expand...
What you said isn't wrong.
BUT
In the spirit of educating the OP, it might lead to a less
efficient and more expensive solution.

Assuming that the OP has the expected senses for a primate,
"leaking" caps can be diagnosed with only one good eyeball.
Bad caps can also bulge. That too can be diagnosed by eye.
Bad caps with high ESR can get hot. That can be diagnosed
with a finger...being careful not to burn yourself.

I did a bunch of experiments with a TDR system measuring ESR.
I had mixed results in-circuit. There's just too much other
stuff affecting the reading...like other caps in parallel.
Getting the caps out without hurting them or the board is a
problem.
Anybody with the equipment to do it safely would not have
asked the question in the first place.

An easier test is to put an oscilloscope on the power bus
and look for spikes. So, I'd recommend a cheap used
oscilloscope LONG BEFORE recommending an ESR tester.

IN-circuit testing of any component is iffy unless you know
the circuit. NOT the typical circuit...the EXACT circuit.
That info is typically unavailable. I can't count the times
I chased my tail on a problem because I assumed that the
designer had done something reasonable.

I'll try to be respectful of the OP, but the way the question
was asked suggests that he hasn't much chance of fixing the
system. Given detailed symptoms, he might be led thru
some simple diagnostic procedures. He might get lucky.
Once you get past the broken solder connections on the power
supply socket and blown fuses and shorted diodes, there ain't
much to be done by the amateur with no (appropriate) test equipment.
Just accessing circuit nodes on both sides of a board that
has connections everywhere and heat sinks bolted to the infrastructure
is problematic.

Even if you find the bad part
there's the problem of acquiring one and replacing it without
breaking something else.

Given the complexity and throw-away nature of today's products, I've come to
the conclusion that it would take less time and effort to get a
part-time job
slinging burgers and use the extra income to buy a new device.

I don't care for the advice to buy a new board on EBAY.
The most likely reason for ANY device to be sold is that it no
longer works properly. That goes triple for an anonymous market
like EBAY. Sure, there's lots of good stuff sold there...but the
stuff that's guaranteed good isn't gonna be cheap. The rest is
a crap shoot.
 
"Franc Zabkar" <fzabkar@iinternode.on.net> ha scritto nel messaggio
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On Tue, 12 Jul 2011 13:51:41 +0200, "Allen" <nessun@mail.xom> put
finger to keyboard and composed:

It possible testing, with a multimeter, electronic components, resistor,
integrated circuits, on a laptop motherboard?

Yes. Which laptop do you have?
Click to expand...

HP Compaq NC6000


Regards
 
Allen wrote:
It possible testing, with a multimeter, electronic components, resistor,
integrated circuits, on a laptop motherboard?
Click to expand...
I think the practical limits are fuses, MOSFETs (lots fail with the
gate shorting to the channel), and maybe solder joints at connectors,
but with the latter it's probably better to simply resolder them. As
Kripton said, testing capacitors requires an ESR meter, but I think
with motherboards the capacitors usually have to be removed because
they're usually in parallel with other capacitors. Also laptops tend
to be made with high quality capacitors, which fail a lot, lot less
often than the junk capacitors found on many desktop motherboards.

Try http://www.LaptopRepair101.com for information about model-
specific problems and solutions.
 
On 2011-07-12 17:06:09 +0200, mike <spamme9@gmail.com> said:

Kripton wrote:
On 2011-07-12 13:51:41 +0200, "Allen" <nessun@mail.xom> said:


Hi all


It possible testing, with a multimeter, electronic components, resistor,
integrated circuits, on a laptop motherboard?


Thanks

Regards

main failure on a motherboard is the capacitors leaking
you need an esr meter to test them
a multimeter cannot do that

you can get esr meter schematics free and commercials here :
http://kripton2035.free.fr/esr-repository.html

regards,

I think your heart's in the right place.
What you said isn't wrong.
BUT
In the spirit of educating the OP, it might lead to a less
efficient and more expensive solution.

Assuming that the OP has the expected senses for a primate,
"leaking" caps can be diagnosed with only one good eyeball.
Bad caps can also bulge. That too can be diagnosed by eye.
Bad caps with high ESR can get hot. That can be diagnosed
with a finger...being careful not to burn yourself.

I did a bunch of experiments with a TDR system measuring ESR.
I had mixed results in-circuit. There's just too much other
stuff affecting the reading...like other caps in parallel.
Getting the caps out without hurting them or the board is a
problem.
Anybody with the equipment to do it safely would not have
asked the question in the first place.

An easier test is to put an oscilloscope on the power bus
and look for spikes. So, I'd recommend a cheap used
oscilloscope LONG BEFORE recommending an ESR tester.

IN-circuit testing of any component is iffy unless you know
the circuit. NOT the typical circuit...the EXACT circuit.
That info is typically unavailable. I can't count the times
I chased my tail on a problem because I assumed that the
designer had done something reasonable.

I'll try to be respectful of the OP, but the way the question
was asked suggests that he hasn't much chance of fixing the
system. Given detailed symptoms, he might be led thru
some simple diagnostic procedures. He might get lucky.
Once you get past the broken solder connections on the power
supply socket and blown fuses and shorted diodes, there ain't
much to be done by the amateur with no (appropriate) test equipment.
Just accessing circuit nodes on both sides of a board that
has connections everywhere and heat sinks bolted to the infrastructure
is problematic.

Even if you find the bad part
there's the problem of acquiring one and replacing it without
breaking something else.

Given the complexity and throw-away nature of today's products, I've come to
the conclusion that it would take less time and effort to get a part-time job
slinging burgers and use the extra income to buy a new device.

I don't care for the advice to buy a new board on EBAY.
The most likely reason for ANY device to be sold is that it no
longer works properly. That goes triple for an anonymous market
like EBAY. Sure, there's lots of good stuff sold there...but the
stuff that's guaranteed good isn't gonna be cheap. The rest is
a crap shoot.
Click to expand...
hello
on my web site I have collected a lot of schematics of esr meters (and
other testers)
most of them cost nothing using scopes as you describe
or using very easy to find and cheap components to adapt to a multimeter
take a look at the method described there
I also give links to commercial esr meters, for those who dont want to
make it themselves...

http://kripton2035.free.fr/esr-repository.html
Click to expand...
best regards,

--
---
Kripton
 
Kripton wrote:
On 2011-07-12 17:06:09 +0200, mike <spamme9@gmail.com> said:

Kripton wrote:
On 2011-07-12 13:51:41 +0200, "Allen" <nessun@mail.xom> said:


Hi all


It possible testing, with a multimeter, electronic components,
resistor,
integrated circuits, on a laptop motherboard?


Thanks

Regards

main failure on a motherboard is the capacitors leaking
you need an esr meter to test them
a multimeter cannot do that

you can get esr meter schematics free and commercials here :
http://kripton2035.free.fr/esr-repository.html

regards,

I think your heart's in the right place.
What you said isn't wrong.
BUT
In the spirit of educating the OP, it might lead to a less
efficient and more expensive solution.

Assuming that the OP has the expected senses for a primate,
"leaking" caps can be diagnosed with only one good eyeball.
Bad caps can also bulge. That too can be diagnosed by eye.
Bad caps with high ESR can get hot. That can be diagnosed
with a finger...being careful not to burn yourself.

I did a bunch of experiments with a TDR system measuring ESR.
I had mixed results in-circuit. There's just too much other
stuff affecting the reading...like other caps in parallel.
Getting the caps out without hurting them or the board is a
problem.
Anybody with the equipment to do it safely would not have
asked the question in the first place.

An easier test is to put an oscilloscope on the power bus
and look for spikes. So, I'd recommend a cheap used
oscilloscope LONG BEFORE recommending an ESR tester.

IN-circuit testing of any component is iffy unless you know
the circuit. NOT the typical circuit...the EXACT circuit.
That info is typically unavailable. I can't count the times
I chased my tail on a problem because I assumed that the
designer had done something reasonable.

I'll try to be respectful of the OP, but the way the question
was asked suggests that he hasn't much chance of fixing the
system. Given detailed symptoms, he might be led thru
some simple diagnostic procedures. He might get lucky.
Once you get past the broken solder connections on the power
supply socket and blown fuses and shorted diodes, there ain't
much to be done by the amateur with no (appropriate) test equipment.
Just accessing circuit nodes on both sides of a board that
has connections everywhere and heat sinks bolted to the infrastructure
is problematic.

Even if you find the bad part
there's the problem of acquiring one and replacing it without
breaking something else.

Given the complexity and throw-away nature of today's products, I've
come to
the conclusion that it would take less time and effort to get a
part-time job
slinging burgers and use the extra income to buy a new device.

I don't care for the advice to buy a new board on EBAY.
The most likely reason for ANY device to be sold is that it no
longer works properly. That goes triple for an anonymous market
like EBAY. Sure, there's lots of good stuff sold there...but the
stuff that's guaranteed good isn't gonna be cheap. The rest is
a crap shoot.

hello
on my web site I have collected a lot of schematics of esr meters (and
other testers)
most of them cost nothing using scopes as you describe
or using very easy to find and cheap components to adapt to a multimeter
take a look at the method described there
I also give links to commercial esr meters, for those who dont want to
make it themselves...
Click to expand...
You're being naive.
One of the characteristics of a good educator that is lacking in industry
and almost non-existent here is EMPATHY.

You must LISTEN to, INTERPRET the question and provide an answer that
the questioner can understand. Goes without saying that you need to be
good at it.
Just because YOU can do something easily is no indication that the answer
is appropriate in the context of the OP.

There's an exception for everything, but typically, the person who asks,
"can I debug my laptop with a multimeter?" with zero specificity as to
the symptom
is unlikely to have the skills and equipment required to construct,
debug and competently apply a DIY ESR tester...then execute the repair.

Stated another way, those skills would have been used to debug the
laptop and to formulate a question that could be answered.

People come here in the hope that they can do complex things without
the skills/background to do so. Sometimes, the best you can do for them
is to say, "sorry Charlie, you ain't got the skills to do this."
Provide very detailed symptom info and perhaps we can help.

Guessing the symptom, then guessing the cause is just a shot in the
dark. Sending them off to buy an ESR tester is irresponsible.

I've fixed a few laptops in my day and I've NEVER had a bad electrolytic
inside. In the power brick, yes. Inside the laptop, no.
 
On Tue, 12 Jul 2011 17:29:48 +0200, "Allen" <nessun@mail.xom> put
finger to keyboard and composed:

HP Compaq NC6000
Click to expand...
http://www.4shared.com/document/S733ZFW4/HP_Compaq_NC6000_schematics.html

- Franc Zabkar
--
Please remove one 'i' from my address when replying by email.
 
On 12/07/2011 16:06, mike wrote:
Given the complexity and throw-away nature of today's products, I've
come to
the conclusion that it would take less time and effort to get a
part-time job
slinging burgers and use the extra income to buy a new device.
Click to expand...
lol. Must remember that. Call it burgernomics.

In fact there's someone here that's ahead of the game and has got the
slinging burger operation going!

--
Adrian C
 
On Jul 13, 3:38 am, Adrian C <em...@here.invalid> wrote:
On 12/07/2011 16:06, mike wrote:

Given the complexity and throw-away nature of today's products, I've
come to
the conclusion that it would take less time and  effort to get a
part-time job
slinging burgers and use the extra income to buy a new device.

lol. Must remember that. Call it burgernomics.

In fact there's someone here that's ahead of the game and has got the
slinging burger operation going!

--
Adrian C
Click to expand...
Who, "Meat Slab"?
 
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