Tesla v jet...

[John Larkin]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tcrrDlsT_xU

If a driver did this, I guess the driver and his insurance would be
liable. But this was doing the driverless auto-summons thing, so I
assume Tesla is liable.

Automation can transfer liabilities.

After it hit the plane, you might expect it to stop.

--

If a man will begin with certainties, he shall end with doubts,
but if he will be content to begin with doubts he shall end in certainties.
Francis Bacon

 

[Phil Allison]

John Larkin wrote:
===============

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tcrrDlsT_xU

If a driver did this, I guess the driver and his insurance would be
liable. But this was doing the driverless auto-summons thing, so I
assume Tesla is liable.

** No way !!

The dumb jerk with the smart phone ( plus app) in their hands is.
And if not, the owner of the car that let them do it.

> Automation can transfer liabilities.

** No very likely.

...... Phil

 

[server]

On Fri, 22 Apr 2022 18:19:29 -0700 (PDT), Phil Allison
<pallison49@gmail.com> wrote:

John Larkin wrote:
===============

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tcrrDlsT_xU

If a driver did this, I guess the driver and his insurance would be
liable. But this was doing the driverless auto-summons thing, so I
assume Tesla is liable.


** No way !!

The dumb jerk with the smart phone ( plus app) in their hands is.
And if not, the owner of the car that let them do it.

Automation can transfer liabilities.

** No very likely.

..... Phil

Tesla forgot to code the \"don\'t hit a jet airplane\" subroutine.

And the \"stop after you hit something\" one.



--

I yam what I yam - Popeye

 

[bitrex]

On 4/22/2022 6:47 PM, John Larkin wrote:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tcrrDlsT_xU

If a driver did this, I guess the driver and his insurance would be
liable. But this was doing the driverless auto-summons thing, so I
assume Tesla is liable.

Does it say in the fine print \"Only to be used in parking lots\"?

That don\'t look like a parking lot to me.

Automation can transfer liabilities.

After it hit the plane, you might expect it to stop.

 

[bitrex]

On 4/22/2022 10:46 PM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

On Fri, 22 Apr 2022 18:19:29 -0700 (PDT), Phil Allison
pallison49@gmail.com> wrote:

John Larkin wrote:
===============

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tcrrDlsT_xU

If a driver did this, I guess the driver and his insurance would be
liable. But this was doing the driverless auto-summons thing, so I
assume Tesla is liable.


** No way !!

The dumb jerk with the smart phone ( plus app) in their hands is.
And if not, the owner of the car that let them do it.

Automation can transfer liabilities.

** No very likely.

..... Phil




Tesla forgot to code the \"don\'t hit a jet airplane\" subroutine.

And the \"stop after you hit something\" one.

My guess is it thinks it\'s in a parking lot and is mostly \"looking\"
close to the ground, and is deeply confused by how relatively high a
small aircraft sits on those lil legs. \"path looks clear to me\"

 

[server]

On Sat, 23 Apr 2022 10:20:46 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

On 4/22/2022 10:46 PM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Fri, 22 Apr 2022 18:19:29 -0700 (PDT), Phil Allison
pallison49@gmail.com> wrote:

John Larkin wrote:
===============

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tcrrDlsT_xU

If a driver did this, I guess the driver and his insurance would be
liable. But this was doing the driverless auto-summons thing, so I
assume Tesla is liable.


** No way !!

The dumb jerk with the smart phone ( plus app) in their hands is.
And if not, the owner of the car that let them do it.

Automation can transfer liabilities.

** No very likely.

..... Phil




Tesla forgot to code the \"don\'t hit a jet airplane\" subroutine.

And the \"stop after you hit something\" one.



My guess is it thinks it\'s in a parking lot and is mostly \"looking\"
close to the ground, and is deeply confused by how relatively high a
small aircraft sits on those lil legs. \"path looks clear to me\"

Don\'t Teslas try to sneak under semis that are across the highway?

They need a Limbo option.



--

I yam what I yam - Popeye

 

[bitrex]

On 4/23/2022 10:23 AM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

On Sat, 23 Apr 2022 10:20:46 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

On 4/22/2022 10:46 PM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Fri, 22 Apr 2022 18:19:29 -0700 (PDT), Phil Allison
pallison49@gmail.com> wrote:

John Larkin wrote:
===============

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tcrrDlsT_xU

If a driver did this, I guess the driver and his insurance would be
liable. But this was doing the driverless auto-summons thing, so I
assume Tesla is liable.


** No way !!

The dumb jerk with the smart phone ( plus app) in their hands is.
And if not, the owner of the car that let them do it.

Automation can transfer liabilities.

** No very likely.

..... Phil




Tesla forgot to code the \"don\'t hit a jet airplane\" subroutine.

And the \"stop after you hit something\" one.



My guess is it thinks it\'s in a parking lot and is mostly \"looking\"
close to the ground, and is deeply confused by how relatively high a
small aircraft sits on those lil legs. \"path looks clear to me\"

Don\'t Teslas try to sneak under semis that are across the highway?

They need a Limbo option.

It\'s remarkable it works as well as it does much of the time. That guy
who was in the unfortunate crash with the semi that I recall got very
used to the autopilot being very good much of the time and came to trust
it like a friend. It wasn\'t his friend.

OTOH I saw a trash barrel roll out in front of a Model X a few cars
ahead of me on the highway the other day and it nimbly dodged around it,
faster than a human (or a human in the 5th decade of life like me at
least my video game playing days are mostly over, too) could manage.

My Volt is pretty bare-bones with respect to driver-assistance options
aside from a backup camera it\'s mirrors and my eyes.

 

[server]

On Sat, 23 Apr 2022 10:58:44 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

On 4/23/2022 10:23 AM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Sat, 23 Apr 2022 10:20:46 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

On 4/22/2022 10:46 PM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Fri, 22 Apr 2022 18:19:29 -0700 (PDT), Phil Allison
pallison49@gmail.com> wrote:

John Larkin wrote:
===============

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tcrrDlsT_xU

If a driver did this, I guess the driver and his insurance would be
liable. But this was doing the driverless auto-summons thing, so I
assume Tesla is liable.


** No way !!

The dumb jerk with the smart phone ( plus app) in their hands is.
And if not, the owner of the car that let them do it.

Automation can transfer liabilities.

** No very likely.

..... Phil




Tesla forgot to code the \"don\'t hit a jet airplane\" subroutine.

And the \"stop after you hit something\" one.



My guess is it thinks it\'s in a parking lot and is mostly \"looking\"
close to the ground, and is deeply confused by how relatively high a
small aircraft sits on those lil legs. \"path looks clear to me\"

Don\'t Teslas try to sneak under semis that are across the highway?

They need a Limbo option.




It\'s remarkable it works as well as it does much of the time. That guy
who was in the unfortunate crash with the semi that I recall got very
used to the autopilot being very good much of the time and came to trust
it like a friend. It wasn\'t his friend.

OTOH I saw a trash barrel roll out in front of a Model X a few cars
ahead of me on the highway the other day and it nimbly dodged around it,
faster than a human (or a human in the 5th decade of life like me at
least my video game playing days are mostly over, too) could manage.

My Volt is pretty bare-bones with respect to driver-assistance options
aside from a backup camera it\'s mirrors and my eyes.

We were driving uphill on Swiss Street and a blue wheelie recycling
bin was screaming down the middle headed right for us. At the last
second, it swerved and hit a parked car.

The slope there is about 20% so it was moving.

Driver assist makes more sense than autopilot to me, especially in
cities.

On the highway, I\'d like a display of everything around me, with
projected collision hazards highlighted. My Audi has rear blind spots
and no cameras.






--

I yam what I yam - Popeye

 

[Tom Del Rosso]

John Larkin wrote:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tcrrDlsT_xU

If a driver did this, I guess the driver and his insurance would be
liable. But this was doing the driverless auto-summons thing, so I
assume Tesla is liable.

Automation can transfer liabilities.

After it hit the plane, you might expect it to stop.

When people said \"AI\" they used to mean HAL, but now a thing with less
intelligence than an insect is called AI.


--
Defund the Thought Police

 

[Phil Allison]

John Larkin wrote:
===================

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tcrrDlsT_xU

After it hit the plane, you might expect it to stop.

** FFS it fucking did.

Wot a damn stupid troll.
Oh, it\'s a JL post so there is no other kind.



...... Phil

 

[Martin Brown]

On 23/04/2022 15:20, bitrex wrote:

On 4/22/2022 10:46 PM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Fri, 22 Apr 2022 18:19:29 -0700 (PDT), Phil Allison
pallison49@gmail.com> wrote:

John Larkin wrote:
===============

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tcrrDlsT_xU

If a driver did this, I guess the driver and his insurance would be
liable. But this was doing the driverless auto-summons thing, so I
assume Tesla is liable.


**  No way !!

The dumb jerk with the smart phone ( plus app) in their hands is.
And if not,  the owner of the car that let them do it.

Automation can transfer liabilities.

**  No very likely.

.....  Phil

Tesla forgot to code the \"don\'t hit a jet airplane\" subroutine.

And the \"stop after you hit something\" one.

My guess is it thinks it\'s in a parking lot and is mostly \"looking\"
close to the ground, and is deeply confused by how relatively high a
small aircraft sits on those lil legs. \"path looks clear to me\"

Not only that but the tail is at such an angle ~45 degrees that the main
reflection back to the sensors will mislead both lidar and radar into
thinking that the obstruction is further away than it really is.

The image processing sanity check clearly didn\'t work. Ooops!

We know that Telsas have a thing about featureless white trucks too.

--
Regards,
Martin Brown

 

[Flyguy]

On Sunday, April 24, 2022 at 6:09:06 AM UTC-7, Martin Brown wrote:

On 23/04/2022 15:20, bitrex wrote:
On 4/22/2022 10:46 PM, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Fri, 22 Apr 2022 18:19:29 -0700 (PDT), Phil Allison
palli...@gmail.com> wrote:

John Larkin wrote:
===============

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tcrrDlsT_xU

If a driver did this, I guess the driver and his insurance would be
liable. But this was doing the driverless auto-summons thing, so I
assume Tesla is liable.


** No way !!

The dumb jerk with the smart phone ( plus app) in their hands is.
And if not, the owner of the car that let them do it.

Automation can transfer liabilities.

** No very likely.

..... Phil

Tesla forgot to code the \"don\'t hit a jet airplane\" subroutine.

And the \"stop after you hit something\" one.

My guess is it thinks it\'s in a parking lot and is mostly \"looking\"
close to the ground, and is deeply confused by how relatively high a
small aircraft sits on those lil legs. \"path looks clear to me\"
Not only that but the tail is at such an angle ~45 degrees that the main
reflection back to the sensors will mislead both lidar and radar into
thinking that the obstruction is further away than it really is.

The image processing sanity check clearly didn\'t work. Ooops!

We know that Telsas have a thing about featureless white trucks too.

--
Regards,
Martin Brown

Tesla suffers from a total reliance on vision processing instead of combining it with LIDAR.
https://venturebeat.com/2021/07/03/tesla-ai-chief-explains-why-self-driving-cars-dont-need-lidar/
The problem is nobody, apparently, collected data on what aircraft look like.

 

[server]

On Sun, 24 Apr 2022 06:02:31 -0700 (PDT), Phil Allison
<pallison49@gmail.com> wrote:

John Larkin wrote:
===================
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tcrrDlsT_xU

After it hit the plane, you might expect it to stop.

** FFS it fucking did.

Wot a damn stupid troll.
Oh, it\'s a JL post so there is no other kind.



..... Phil

I sentence you to being Phil Allison for the rest of your life.



--

I yam what I yam - Popeye

 

[Ricky]

On Sunday, April 24, 2022 at 2:52:18 PM UTC-4, Flyguy wrote:

On Sunday, April 24, 2022 at 6:09:06 AM UTC-7, Martin Brown wrote:
On 23/04/2022 15:20, bitrex wrote:
On 4/22/2022 10:46 PM, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Fri, 22 Apr 2022 18:19:29 -0700 (PDT), Phil Allison
palli...@gmail.com> wrote:

John Larkin wrote:
===============

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tcrrDlsT_xU

If a driver did this, I guess the driver and his insurance would be
liable. But this was doing the driverless auto-summons thing, so I
assume Tesla is liable.


** No way !!

The dumb jerk with the smart phone ( plus app) in their hands is.
And if not, the owner of the car that let them do it.

Automation can transfer liabilities.

** No very likely.

..... Phil

Tesla forgot to code the \"don\'t hit a jet airplane\" subroutine.

And the \"stop after you hit something\" one.

My guess is it thinks it\'s in a parking lot and is mostly \"looking\"
close to the ground, and is deeply confused by how relatively high a
small aircraft sits on those lil legs. \"path looks clear to me\"
Not only that but the tail is at such an angle ~45 degrees that the main
reflection back to the sensors will mislead both lidar and radar into
thinking that the obstruction is further away than it really is.

The image processing sanity check clearly didn\'t work. Ooops!

We know that Telsas have a thing about featureless white trucks too.

--
Regards,
Martin Brown
Tesla suffers from a total reliance on vision processing instead of combining it with LIDAR.
https://venturebeat.com/2021/07/03/tesla-ai-chief-explains-why-self-driving-cars-dont-need-lidar/
The problem is nobody, apparently, collected data on what aircraft look like.

None of that matters. Any time the car is being moved, a person is supposed to supervise it. Summon is not intended to work without someone watching to stop it with the remote or phone app. Clearly this person is rather trusting and expected the car to drive itself autonomously... which they don\'t. No one at Tesla says they do operate autonomously. Just people who wish to complain that the car doesn\'t do what they say it doesn\'t do. Larkin is the number one complainer. I guess he isn\'t very good at listening to what he\'s told.

--

Rick C.

- Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
- Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209

 

[Ricky]

On Sunday, April 24, 2022 at 5:06:17 PM UTC-4, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

On Sun, 24 Apr 2022 06:02:31 -0700 (PDT), Phil Allison
palli...@gmail.com> wrote:

John Larkin wrote:
===================
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tcrrDlsT_xU

After it hit the plane, you might expect it to stop.

** FFS it fucking did.

Wot a damn stupid troll.
Oh, it\'s a JL post so there is no other kind.



..... Phil

I sentence you to being Phil Allison for the rest of your life.

Larkin envies Phil Allison in that regard.

--

Rick C.

+ Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
+ Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209

 

[Anthony William Sloman]

On Monday, April 25, 2022 at 7:06:17 AM UTC+10, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

On Sun, 24 Apr 2022 06:02:31 -0700 (PDT), Phil Allison
palli...@gmail.com> wrote:

John Larkin wrote:
===================
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tcrrDlsT_xU

After it hit the plane, you might expect it to stop.

** FFS it fucking did.

Wot a damn stupid troll.
Oh, it\'s a JL post so there is no other kind.

I sentence you to being Phil Allison for the rest of your life.

Phil got off lightly. He could have been sentenced to being John Larkin, though John Larkin wouldn\'t have seen that as a punishment.
Being sentenced to being John Doe, Cursitor Doom or Flyguy - probably the same person or, perhaps the same troll program, operating with different nyms, would have been marginally worse, if marginally less intellectually demanding.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[bitrex]

On 4/24/2022 5:15 PM, Ricky wrote:

On Sunday, April 24, 2022 at 5:06:17 PM UTC-4, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Sun, 24 Apr 2022 06:02:31 -0700 (PDT), Phil Allison
palli...@gmail.com> wrote:

John Larkin wrote:
===================
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tcrrDlsT_xU

After it hit the plane, you might expect it to stop.

** FFS it fucking did.

Wot a damn stupid troll.
Oh, it\'s a JL post so there is no other kind.



..... Phil

I sentence you to being Phil Allison for the rest of your life.

Larkin envies Phil Allison in that regard.

It will be fun to \"ha ha!\" the Tesla owners around here once Musk
unlocks Trump\'s account 2 minutes after acquiring Twitter. It would be
more satisfying to punch them, but...

 

[Ricky]

On Monday, April 25, 2022 at 9:20:57 AM UTC-4, bitrex wrote:

On 4/24/2022 5:15 PM, Ricky wrote:
On Sunday, April 24, 2022 at 5:06:17 PM UTC-4, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Sun, 24 Apr 2022 06:02:31 -0700 (PDT), Phil Allison
palli...@gmail.com> wrote:

John Larkin wrote:
===================
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tcrrDlsT_xU

After it hit the plane, you might expect it to stop.

** FFS it fucking did.

Wot a damn stupid troll.
Oh, it\'s a JL post so there is no other kind.



..... Phil

I sentence you to being Phil Allison for the rest of your life.

Larkin envies Phil Allison in that regard.

It will be fun to \"ha ha!\" the Tesla owners around here once Musk
unlocks Trump\'s account 2 minutes after acquiring Twitter. It would be
more satisfying to punch them, but...

On the meths today, I see.

Why would I give a shit about Trmp, Musk and Twitter?

--

Rick C.

-- Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
-- Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209

 

[bitrex]

On 4/25/2022 11:02 AM, Ricky wrote:

On Monday, April 25, 2022 at 9:20:57 AM UTC-4, bitrex wrote:
On 4/24/2022 5:15 PM, Ricky wrote:
On Sunday, April 24, 2022 at 5:06:17 PM UTC-4, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Sun, 24 Apr 2022 06:02:31 -0700 (PDT), Phil Allison
palli...@gmail.com> wrote:

John Larkin wrote:
===================
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tcrrDlsT_xU

After it hit the plane, you might expect it to stop.

** FFS it fucking did.

Wot a damn stupid troll.
Oh, it\'s a JL post so there is no other kind.



..... Phil

I sentence you to being Phil Allison for the rest of your life.

Larkin envies Phil Allison in that regard.

It will be fun to \"ha ha!\" the Tesla owners around here once Musk
unlocks Trump\'s account 2 minutes after acquiring Twitter. It would be
more satisfying to punch them, but...

On the meths today, I see.

Why would I give a shit about Trmp, Musk and Twitter?

Musk is still greatly admired by many ignorant liberals and Democrats
who don\'t know any better, I\'d say they likely make up the bulk of his
fan base at this time.

And if there\'s a somewhat reliable method to maintaining long-term
popularity as a big celebrity in America one of the things that\'s
required to do is about every decade, do an inventory of who your
biggest fans and long-term supporters are. People who\'ve stood with you
for years.

And take a big steaming shit on them, lol...

 

[bitrex]

On 4/24/2022 2:22 AM, Tom Del Rosso wrote:

John Larkin wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tcrrDlsT_xU

If a driver did this, I guess the driver and his insurance would be
liable. But this was doing the driverless auto-summons thing, so I
assume Tesla is liable.

Automation can transfer liabilities.

After it hit the plane, you might expect it to stop.

When people said \"AI\" they used to mean HAL, but now a thing with less
intelligence than an insect is called AI.

So if you put all 535 of the AIs elected to Congress together you\'d have
almost one unit of what is now a thing called \"AI\"