Technical Manual...

[Ricky]

I need to prepare some sort of technical manual that would provide a means of debugging a particular board. I was originally planning for it to contain a theory of operation, but also a guide that would provide detailed debug info for the test program. In particular, for each type of failure, it would point to various test points for probing and indicate the nature of the signal to be expected.

I\'m thinking of the medium that this would be easiest in. The test program is in Forth on a PC and could incorporate the detailed instructions and the decision tree. It might be a bit harder to bring up the images showing where to probe and the signals expected in the console. But I\'m wondering if there\'s a way to send HTML to a browser page to display this?

Anyone familiar with one application sending HTML to a browser on the same machine? I guess this being more of a hardware group, this might not be the best place to ask.

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[Ricky]

On Thursday, May 19, 2022 at 8:55:33 AM UTC-4, Clifford Heath wrote:

On 19/5/22 5:17 pm, Ricky wrote:
On Thursday, May 19, 2022 at 2:51:18 AM UTC-4, Clifford Heath wrote:
On 19/5/22 3:22 pm, Ricky wrote:
On Wednesday, May 18, 2022 at 9:11:41 PM UTC-4, Clifford Heath wrote:
On 19/5/22 8:04 am, Ricky wrote:
On Wednesday, May 18, 2022 at 5:49:53 PM UTC-4, lang...@fonz.dk wrote:
onsdag den 18. maj 2022 kl. 23.27.40 UTC+2 skrev Ricky:
On Wednesday, May 18, 2022 at 5:19:46 PM UTC-4, lang...@fonz.dk wrote:
onsdag den 18. maj 2022 kl. 23.05.33 UTC+2 skrev Ricky:
I need to prepare some sort of technical manual that would provide a means of debugging a particular board. I was originally planning for it to contain a theory of operation, but also a guide that would provide detailed debug info for the test program. In particular, for each type of failure, it would point to various test points for probing and indicate the nature of the signal to be expected.

I\'m thinking of the medium that this would be easiest in. The test program is in Forth on a PC and could incorporate the detailed instructions and the decision tree. It might be a bit harder to bring up the images showing where to probe and the signals expected in the console. But I\'m wondering if there\'s a way to send HTML to a browser page to display this?

Anyone familiar with one application sending HTML to a browser on the same machine? I guess this being more of a hardware group, this might not be the best place to ask.

windows or linux?
Windows

if you can execute a system command like \"start filename.html\" it should open filename.html in the default browser
(or bring bring up the chose application menu)

Is \"start\" an actual command?
It is, but I think it is a built-in of CMD.EXE. Powershell may have a
different version.

It looks up the default double-click action in the registry for that
file type. You can give it options to simulate other actions, like \"do
whatever is configured for right-click Edit\".

There is also a C API that does the same thing for you.

However, because of default security settings of some browsers, starting
a file.html won\'t necessarily load or run the associated Javascript
files. This depends on the browser and operating system. Test it, but if
you have a problem you might need to incorporate a tiny HTTP server.

Yes, I looked it up and START does exactly what I want. I can run that using CMD which I\'m pretty sure I can invoke from my program. I just need to make sure I don\'t create any infinite loops with that in it! lol I\'d hate to have my computer crash from an infinite number of new command line programs running. lol
I believe there\'s an API that does the same thing without having to make
a new process or execute CMD, but I\'d have to go searching some old code
for an example.

As soon as you say API, I assume you are talking about something in C.
Surely your Forth can load a DLL and call any function inside it,
especially if it only take a single string as an parameter? That\'s
pretty basic stuff I would expect from any scripting language...

Ok, what would be an example of that? Do you know of any code that does that? I don\'t.

Forth does many, many things. I am limited to using the things I know of and know how to use. The basic language is a basic language. It is up to the designer of the Forth implementation to provide the various bells and whistles.

Do you have documentation for the API you are talking about? I have no problem with using a CMD approach. None, in fact, it can be very advantageous to separate the testing, the generation of the HTML and the display of the HTML.

That\'s my thinking anyway. If you have more information, I\'m happy to listen.

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[Don]

Lasse Langwadt Christensen wrote:

skrev Ricky:
lang...@fonz.dk wrote:
skrev Ricky:
I need to prepare some sort of technical manual that would provide a
means of debugging a particular board. I was originally planning for
it to contain a theory of operation, but also a guide that would
provide detailed debug info for the test program. In particular, for
each type of failure, it would point to various test points for
probing and indicate the nature of the signal to be expected.

I\'m thinking of the medium that this would be easiest in. The test
program is in Forth on a PC and could incorporate the detailed
instructions and the decision tree. It might be a bit harder to bring
up the images showing where to probe and the signals expected in the
console. But I\'m wondering if there\'s a way to send HTML to a browser
page to display this?

Anyone familiar with one application sending HTML to a browser on the
same machine? I guess this being more of a hardware group, this might
not be the best place to ask.

windows or linux?
Windows


if you can execute a system command like \"start filename.html\" it should
open filename.html in the default browser
(or bring bring up the chose application menu)

\"C:\\Program Files (x86)\\Microsoft\\Edge\\Application\\msedge.exe\" \"C:\\Program Files\\PCHealthCheck\\ux\\resources\\de\\license.html\"

Danke,

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[Clifford Heath]

On 20/5/22 1:18 am, Ricky wrote:

On Thursday, May 19, 2022 at 8:55:33 AM UTC-4, Clifford Heath wrote:
On 19/5/22 5:17 pm, Ricky wrote:
On Thursday, May 19, 2022 at 2:51:18 AM UTC-4, Clifford Heath wrote:
On 19/5/22 3:22 pm, Ricky wrote:
On Wednesday, May 18, 2022 at 9:11:41 PM UTC-4, Clifford Heath wrote:
On 19/5/22 8:04 am, Ricky wrote:
On Wednesday, May 18, 2022 at 5:49:53 PM UTC-4, lang...@fonz.dk wrote:
onsdag den 18. maj 2022 kl. 23.27.40 UTC+2 skrev Ricky:
On Wednesday, May 18, 2022 at 5:19:46 PM UTC-4, lang...@fonz.dk wrote:
onsdag den 18. maj 2022 kl. 23.05.33 UTC+2 skrev Ricky:
I need to prepare some sort of technical manual that would provide a means of debugging a particular board. I was originally planning for it to contain a theory of operation, but also a guide that would provide detailed debug info for the test program. In particular, for each type of failure, it would point to various test points for probing and indicate the nature of the signal to be expected.

I\'m thinking of the medium that this would be easiest in. The test program is in Forth on a PC and could incorporate the detailed instructions and the decision tree. It might be a bit harder to bring up the images showing where to probe and the signals expected in the console. But I\'m wondering if there\'s a way to send HTML to a browser page to display this?

Anyone familiar with one application sending HTML to a browser on the same machine? I guess this being more of a hardware group, this might not be the best place to ask.

windows or linux?
Windows

if you can execute a system command like \"start filename.html\" it should open filename.html in the default browser
(or bring bring up the chose application menu)

Is \"start\" an actual command?
It is, but I think it is a built-in of CMD.EXE. Powershell may have a
different version.

It looks up the default double-click action in the registry for that
file type. You can give it options to simulate other actions, like \"do
whatever is configured for right-click Edit\".

There is also a C API that does the same thing for you.

However, because of default security settings of some browsers, starting
a file.html won\'t necessarily load or run the associated Javascript
files. This depends on the browser and operating system. Test it, but if
you have a problem you might need to incorporate a tiny HTTP server.

Yes, I looked it up and START does exactly what I want. I can run that using CMD which I\'m pretty sure I can invoke from my program. I just need to make sure I don\'t create any infinite loops with that in it! lol I\'d hate to have my computer crash from an infinite number of new command line programs running. lol
I believe there\'s an API that does the same thing without having to make
a new process or execute CMD, but I\'d have to go searching some old code
for an example.

As soon as you say API, I assume you are talking about something in C.
Surely your Forth can load a DLL and call any function inside it,
especially if it only take a single string as an parameter? That\'s
pretty basic stuff I would expect from any scripting language...

Ok, what would be an example of that? Do you know of any code that does that? I don\'t.

Forth does many, many things. I am limited to using the things I know of and know how to use. The basic language is a basic language. It is up to the designer of the Forth implementation to provide the various bells and whistles.

Do you have documentation for the API you are talking about? I have no problem with using a CMD approach. None, in fact, it can be very advantageous to separate the testing, the generation of the HTML and the display of the HTML.

That\'s my thinking anyway. If you have more information, I\'m happy to listen.

This was the API I was thinking of:
<https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/win32/api/shellapi/nf-shellapi-shellexecutea>

It\'s defined in shell32.dll. I would expect that most scripting
languages could be told to open that DLL, find that named entry point,
and construct a function call frame using the required parameters (two
integers, four C strings). This kind of dynamic loading and function
call is pretty basic stuff. Sometimes it\'s implemented using an \"FFI\"
layer - see if your Forth supports FFI. There are \"interesting\" APIs
that are hard to support using FFI, but this one is very simple.

Another way would be if you can add a small C extension to define a
ShellExecute word for your Forth.

Clifford Heath.

 

[Clifford Heath]

On 20/5/22 2:07 am, Don wrote:

Lasse Langwadt Christensen wrote:
skrev Ricky:
lang...@fonz.dk wrote:
skrev Ricky:
I need to prepare some sort of technical manual that would provide a
means of debugging a particular board. I was originally planning for
it to contain a theory of operation, but also a guide that would
provide detailed debug info for the test program. In particular, for
each type of failure, it would point to various test points for
probing and indicate the nature of the signal to be expected.

I\'m thinking of the medium that this would be easiest in. The test
program is in Forth on a PC and could incorporate the detailed
instructions and the decision tree. It might be a bit harder to bring
up the images showing where to probe and the signals expected in the
console. But I\'m wondering if there\'s a way to send HTML to a browser
page to display this?

Anyone familiar with one application sending HTML to a browser on the
same machine? I guess this being more of a hardware group, this might
not be the best place to ask.

windows or linux?
Windows


if you can execute a system command like \"start filename.html\" it should
open filename.html in the default browser
(or bring bring up the chose application menu)

\"C:\\Program Files (x86)\\Microsoft\\Edge\\Application\\msedge.exe\" \"C:\\Program Files\\PCHealthCheck\\ux\\resources\\de\\license.html\"

That uses Edge, not the users default browser. You need to use
ShellExecute to get the default browser.

CH

 

[Jasen Betts]

On 2022-05-18, Ricky <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> wrote:

I need to prepare some sort of technical manual that would provide a means of debugging a particular board. I was originally planning for it to contain a theory of operation, but also a guide that would provide detailed debug info for the test program. In particular, for each type of failure, it would point to various test points for probing and indicate the nature of the signal to be expected.

I\'m thinking of the medium that this would be easiest in. The test program is in Forth on a PC and could incorporate the detailed instructions and the decision tree. It might be a bit harder to bring up the images showing where to probe and the signals expected in the console. But I\'m wondering if there\'s a way to send HTML to a browser page to display this?

Anyone familiar with one application sending HTML to a browser on the same machine? I guess this being more of a hardware group, this might not be the best place to ask.

yeah, in windows it\'s something like

system(\'start filename.htm\');

in linux

system(\'xdg-open filename.html\')

--
Jasen.

 

[Lasse Langwadt Christensen]

onsdag den 18. maj 2022 kl. 23.05.33 UTC+2 skrev Ricky:

I need to prepare some sort of technical manual that would provide a means of debugging a particular board. I was originally planning for it to contain a theory of operation, but also a guide that would provide detailed debug info for the test program. In particular, for each type of failure, it would point to various test points for probing and indicate the nature of the signal to be expected.

I\'m thinking of the medium that this would be easiest in. The test program is in Forth on a PC and could incorporate the detailed instructions and the decision tree. It might be a bit harder to bring up the images showing where to probe and the signals expected in the console. But I\'m wondering if there\'s a way to send HTML to a browser page to display this?

Anyone familiar with one application sending HTML to a browser on the same machine? I guess this being more of a hardware group, this might not be the best place to ask.

windows or linux?

 

[Ricky]

On Wednesday, May 18, 2022 at 5:19:46 PM UTC-4, lang...@fonz.dk wrote:

onsdag den 18. maj 2022 kl. 23.05.33 UTC+2 skrev Ricky:
I need to prepare some sort of technical manual that would provide a means of debugging a particular board. I was originally planning for it to contain a theory of operation, but also a guide that would provide detailed debug info for the test program. In particular, for each type of failure, it would point to various test points for probing and indicate the nature of the signal to be expected.

I\'m thinking of the medium that this would be easiest in. The test program is in Forth on a PC and could incorporate the detailed instructions and the decision tree. It might be a bit harder to bring up the images showing where to probe and the signals expected in the console. But I\'m wondering if there\'s a way to send HTML to a browser page to display this?

Anyone familiar with one application sending HTML to a browser on the same machine? I guess this being more of a hardware group, this might not be the best place to ask.

windows or linux?

Windows

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[Lasse Langwadt Christensen]

onsdag den 18. maj 2022 kl. 23.27.40 UTC+2 skrev Ricky:

On Wednesday, May 18, 2022 at 5:19:46 PM UTC-4, lang...@fonz.dk wrote:
onsdag den 18. maj 2022 kl. 23.05.33 UTC+2 skrev Ricky:
I need to prepare some sort of technical manual that would provide a means of debugging a particular board. I was originally planning for it to contain a theory of operation, but also a guide that would provide detailed debug info for the test program. In particular, for each type of failure, it would point to various test points for probing and indicate the nature of the signal to be expected.

I\'m thinking of the medium that this would be easiest in. The test program is in Forth on a PC and could incorporate the detailed instructions and the decision tree. It might be a bit harder to bring up the images showing where to probe and the signals expected in the console. But I\'m wondering if there\'s a way to send HTML to a browser page to display this?

Anyone familiar with one application sending HTML to a browser on the same machine? I guess this being more of a hardware group, this might not be the best place to ask.

windows or linux?
Windows

if you can execute a system command like \"start filename.html\" it should open filename.html in the default browser
(or bring bring up the chose application menu)

 

[Ricky]

On Wednesday, May 18, 2022 at 5:49:53 PM UTC-4, lang...@fonz.dk wrote:

onsdag den 18. maj 2022 kl. 23.27.40 UTC+2 skrev Ricky:
On Wednesday, May 18, 2022 at 5:19:46 PM UTC-4, lang...@fonz.dk wrote:
onsdag den 18. maj 2022 kl. 23.05.33 UTC+2 skrev Ricky:
I need to prepare some sort of technical manual that would provide a means of debugging a particular board. I was originally planning for it to contain a theory of operation, but also a guide that would provide detailed debug info for the test program. In particular, for each type of failure, it would point to various test points for probing and indicate the nature of the signal to be expected.

I\'m thinking of the medium that this would be easiest in. The test program is in Forth on a PC and could incorporate the detailed instructions and the decision tree. It might be a bit harder to bring up the images showing where to probe and the signals expected in the console. But I\'m wondering if there\'s a way to send HTML to a browser page to display this?

Anyone familiar with one application sending HTML to a browser on the same machine? I guess this being more of a hardware group, this might not be the best place to ask.

windows or linux?
Windows

if you can execute a system command like \"start filename.html\" it should open filename.html in the default browser
(or bring bring up the chose application menu)

Is \"start\" an actual command? I think I understand what you mean. Like the file was double clicked in Windows, it would be opened by the default browser... even Microsoft Edge. I\'ll ask in the Forth group how to run a file.. Thanks

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[Mike Coon]

In article <148d5858-cd8e-484b-9d77-ff0343a26acen@googlegroups.com>,
gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com says...

On Wednesday, May 18, 2022 at 5:19:46 PM UTC-4, lang...@fonz.dk wrote:
onsdag den 18. maj 2022 kl. 23.05.33 UTC+2 skrev Ricky:
I need to prepare some sort of technical manual that would provide a means of debugging a particular board. I was originally planning for it to contain a theory of operation, but also a guide that would provide detailed debug info for the test program. In particular, for each type of failure, it would point to various test points for probing and indicate the nature of the signal to be expected.

I\'m thinking of the medium that this would be easiest in. The test program is in Forth on a PC and could incorporate the detailed instructions and the decision tree. It might be a bit harder to bring up the images showing where to probe and the signals expected in the console. But I\'m wondering if there\'s a way to send HTML to a browser page to display this?

Anyone familiar with one application sending HTML to a browser on the same machine? I guess this being more of a hardware group, this might not be the best place to ask.

windows or linux?

Windows

Before I retired (10+ years ago) I was testing some HTTP client s/w by
using, IIRC, Microsoft IIS to serve up HTML to it using a freebie
interceptor the name of which I have not yet remembered. It was an
ordinary dictionary word, I think, not invented or acronym...

 

[Clifford Heath]

On 19/5/22 8:04 am, Ricky wrote:

On Wednesday, May 18, 2022 at 5:49:53 PM UTC-4, lang...@fonz.dk wrote:
onsdag den 18. maj 2022 kl. 23.27.40 UTC+2 skrev Ricky:
On Wednesday, May 18, 2022 at 5:19:46 PM UTC-4, lang...@fonz.dk wrote:
onsdag den 18. maj 2022 kl. 23.05.33 UTC+2 skrev Ricky:
I need to prepare some sort of technical manual that would provide a means of debugging a particular board. I was originally planning for it to contain a theory of operation, but also a guide that would provide detailed debug info for the test program. In particular, for each type of failure, it would point to various test points for probing and indicate the nature of the signal to be expected.

I\'m thinking of the medium that this would be easiest in. The test program is in Forth on a PC and could incorporate the detailed instructions and the decision tree. It might be a bit harder to bring up the images showing where to probe and the signals expected in the console. But I\'m wondering if there\'s a way to send HTML to a browser page to display this?

Anyone familiar with one application sending HTML to a browser on the same machine? I guess this being more of a hardware group, this might not be the best place to ask.

windows or linux?
Windows

if you can execute a system command like \"start filename.html\" it should open filename.html in the default browser
(or bring bring up the chose application menu)

Is \"start\" an actual command?

It is, but I think it is a built-in of CMD.EXE. Powershell may have a
different version.

It looks up the default double-click action in the registry for that
file type. You can give it options to simulate other actions, like \"do
whatever is configured for right-click Edit\".

There is also a C API that does the same thing for you.

However, because of default security settings of some browsers, starting
a file.html won\'t necessarily load or run the associated Javascript
files. This depends on the browser and operating system. Test it, but if
you have a problem you might need to incorporate a tiny HTTP server.

Clifford Heath

 

[Ricky]

On Wednesday, May 18, 2022 at 9:11:41 PM UTC-4, Clifford Heath wrote:

On 19/5/22 8:04 am, Ricky wrote:
On Wednesday, May 18, 2022 at 5:49:53 PM UTC-4, lang...@fonz.dk wrote:
onsdag den 18. maj 2022 kl. 23.27.40 UTC+2 skrev Ricky:
On Wednesday, May 18, 2022 at 5:19:46 PM UTC-4, lang...@fonz.dk wrote:
onsdag den 18. maj 2022 kl. 23.05.33 UTC+2 skrev Ricky:
I need to prepare some sort of technical manual that would provide a means of debugging a particular board. I was originally planning for it to contain a theory of operation, but also a guide that would provide detailed debug info for the test program. In particular, for each type of failure, it would point to various test points for probing and indicate the nature of the signal to be expected.

I\'m thinking of the medium that this would be easiest in. The test program is in Forth on a PC and could incorporate the detailed instructions and the decision tree. It might be a bit harder to bring up the images showing where to probe and the signals expected in the console. But I\'m wondering if there\'s a way to send HTML to a browser page to display this?

Anyone familiar with one application sending HTML to a browser on the same machine? I guess this being more of a hardware group, this might not be the best place to ask.

windows or linux?
Windows

if you can execute a system command like \"start filename.html\" it should open filename.html in the default browser
(or bring bring up the chose application menu)

Is \"start\" an actual command?
It is, but I think it is a built-in of CMD.EXE. Powershell may have a
different version.

It looks up the default double-click action in the registry for that
file type. You can give it options to simulate other actions, like \"do
whatever is configured for right-click Edit\".

There is also a C API that does the same thing for you.

However, because of default security settings of some browsers, starting
a file.html won\'t necessarily load or run the associated Javascript
files. This depends on the browser and operating system. Test it, but if
you have a problem you might need to incorporate a tiny HTTP server.

Yes, I looked it up and START does exactly what I want. I can run that using CMD which I\'m pretty sure I can invoke from my program. I just need to make sure I don\'t create any infinite loops with that in it! lol I\'d hate to have my computer crash from an infinite number of new command line programs running. lol

Thanks.

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[Clifford Heath]

On 19/5/22 3:22 pm, Ricky wrote:

On Wednesday, May 18, 2022 at 9:11:41 PM UTC-4, Clifford Heath wrote:
On 19/5/22 8:04 am, Ricky wrote:
On Wednesday, May 18, 2022 at 5:49:53 PM UTC-4, lang...@fonz.dk wrote:
onsdag den 18. maj 2022 kl. 23.27.40 UTC+2 skrev Ricky:
On Wednesday, May 18, 2022 at 5:19:46 PM UTC-4, lang...@fonz.dk wrote:
onsdag den 18. maj 2022 kl. 23.05.33 UTC+2 skrev Ricky:
I need to prepare some sort of technical manual that would provide a means of debugging a particular board. I was originally planning for it to contain a theory of operation, but also a guide that would provide detailed debug info for the test program. In particular, for each type of failure, it would point to various test points for probing and indicate the nature of the signal to be expected.

I\'m thinking of the medium that this would be easiest in. The test program is in Forth on a PC and could incorporate the detailed instructions and the decision tree. It might be a bit harder to bring up the images showing where to probe and the signals expected in the console. But I\'m wondering if there\'s a way to send HTML to a browser page to display this?

Anyone familiar with one application sending HTML to a browser on the same machine? I guess this being more of a hardware group, this might not be the best place to ask.

windows or linux?
Windows

if you can execute a system command like \"start filename.html\" it should open filename.html in the default browser
(or bring bring up the chose application menu)

Is \"start\" an actual command?
It is, but I think it is a built-in of CMD.EXE. Powershell may have a
different version.

It looks up the default double-click action in the registry for that
file type. You can give it options to simulate other actions, like \"do
whatever is configured for right-click Edit\".

There is also a C API that does the same thing for you.

However, because of default security settings of some browsers, starting
a file.html won\'t necessarily load or run the associated Javascript
files. This depends on the browser and operating system. Test it, but if
you have a problem you might need to incorporate a tiny HTTP server.

Yes, I looked it up and START does exactly what I want. I can run that using CMD which I\'m pretty sure I can invoke from my program. I just need to make sure I don\'t create any infinite loops with that in it! lol I\'d hate to have my computer crash from an infinite number of new command line programs running. lol

I believe there\'s an API that does the same thing without having to make
a new process or execute CMD, but I\'d have to go searching some old code
for an example.

Clifford Heath

 

[Ricky]

On Thursday, May 19, 2022 at 2:51:18 AM UTC-4, Clifford Heath wrote:

On 19/5/22 3:22 pm, Ricky wrote:
On Wednesday, May 18, 2022 at 9:11:41 PM UTC-4, Clifford Heath wrote:
On 19/5/22 8:04 am, Ricky wrote:
On Wednesday, May 18, 2022 at 5:49:53 PM UTC-4, lang...@fonz.dk wrote:
onsdag den 18. maj 2022 kl. 23.27.40 UTC+2 skrev Ricky:
On Wednesday, May 18, 2022 at 5:19:46 PM UTC-4, lang...@fonz.dk wrote:
onsdag den 18. maj 2022 kl. 23.05.33 UTC+2 skrev Ricky:
I need to prepare some sort of technical manual that would provide a means of debugging a particular board. I was originally planning for it to contain a theory of operation, but also a guide that would provide detailed debug info for the test program. In particular, for each type of failure, it would point to various test points for probing and indicate the nature of the signal to be expected.

I\'m thinking of the medium that this would be easiest in. The test program is in Forth on a PC and could incorporate the detailed instructions and the decision tree. It might be a bit harder to bring up the images showing where to probe and the signals expected in the console. But I\'m wondering if there\'s a way to send HTML to a browser page to display this?

Anyone familiar with one application sending HTML to a browser on the same machine? I guess this being more of a hardware group, this might not be the best place to ask.

windows or linux?
Windows

if you can execute a system command like \"start filename.html\" it should open filename.html in the default browser
(or bring bring up the chose application menu)

Is \"start\" an actual command?
It is, but I think it is a built-in of CMD.EXE. Powershell may have a
different version.

It looks up the default double-click action in the registry for that
file type. You can give it options to simulate other actions, like \"do
whatever is configured for right-click Edit\".

There is also a C API that does the same thing for you.

However, because of default security settings of some browsers, starting
a file.html won\'t necessarily load or run the associated Javascript
files. This depends on the browser and operating system. Test it, but if
you have a problem you might need to incorporate a tiny HTTP server.

Yes, I looked it up and START does exactly what I want. I can run that using CMD which I\'m pretty sure I can invoke from my program. I just need to make sure I don\'t create any infinite loops with that in it! lol I\'d hate to have my computer crash from an infinite number of new command line programs running. lol
I believe there\'s an API that does the same thing without having to make
a new process or execute CMD, but I\'d have to go searching some old code
for an example.

As soon as you say API, I assume you are talking about something in C. I\'m not using C, so running a command through a Windows call is fine. In fact, I have example code for that, which is excellent. I need to get something going quickly, only a couple of weeks or so to make it useful, then I can guild the lily further.

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[Clifford Heath]

On 19/5/22 5:17 pm, Ricky wrote:

On Thursday, May 19, 2022 at 2:51:18 AM UTC-4, Clifford Heath wrote:
On 19/5/22 3:22 pm, Ricky wrote:
On Wednesday, May 18, 2022 at 9:11:41 PM UTC-4, Clifford Heath wrote:
On 19/5/22 8:04 am, Ricky wrote:
On Wednesday, May 18, 2022 at 5:49:53 PM UTC-4, lang...@fonz.dk wrote:
onsdag den 18. maj 2022 kl. 23.27.40 UTC+2 skrev Ricky:
On Wednesday, May 18, 2022 at 5:19:46 PM UTC-4, lang...@fonz.dk wrote:
onsdag den 18. maj 2022 kl. 23.05.33 UTC+2 skrev Ricky:
I need to prepare some sort of technical manual that would provide a means of debugging a particular board. I was originally planning for it to contain a theory of operation, but also a guide that would provide detailed debug info for the test program. In particular, for each type of failure, it would point to various test points for probing and indicate the nature of the signal to be expected.

I\'m thinking of the medium that this would be easiest in. The test program is in Forth on a PC and could incorporate the detailed instructions and the decision tree. It might be a bit harder to bring up the images showing where to probe and the signals expected in the console. But I\'m wondering if there\'s a way to send HTML to a browser page to display this?

Anyone familiar with one application sending HTML to a browser on the same machine? I guess this being more of a hardware group, this might not be the best place to ask.

windows or linux?
Windows

if you can execute a system command like \"start filename.html\" it should open filename.html in the default browser
(or bring bring up the chose application menu)

Is \"start\" an actual command?
It is, but I think it is a built-in of CMD.EXE. Powershell may have a
different version.

It looks up the default double-click action in the registry for that
file type. You can give it options to simulate other actions, like \"do
whatever is configured for right-click Edit\".

There is also a C API that does the same thing for you.

However, because of default security settings of some browsers, starting
a file.html won\'t necessarily load or run the associated Javascript
files. This depends on the browser and operating system. Test it, but if
you have a problem you might need to incorporate a tiny HTTP server.

Yes, I looked it up and START does exactly what I want. I can run that using CMD which I\'m pretty sure I can invoke from my program. I just need to make sure I don\'t create any infinite loops with that in it! lol I\'d hate to have my computer crash from an infinite number of new command line programs running. lol
I believe there\'s an API that does the same thing without having to make
a new process or execute CMD, but I\'d have to go searching some old code
for an example.

As soon as you say API, I assume you are talking about something in C.

Surely your Forth can load a DLL and call any function inside it,
especially if it only take a single string as an parameter? That\'s
pretty basic stuff I would expect from any scripting language...

CH.

 

[rbowman]

On 05/19/2022 12:51 AM, Clifford Heath wrote:

On 19/5/22 3:22 pm, Ricky wrote:
On Wednesday, May 18, 2022 at 9:11:41 PM UTC-4, Clifford Heath wrote:
On 19/5/22 8:04 am, Ricky wrote:
On Wednesday, May 18, 2022 at 5:49:53 PM UTC-4, lang...@fonz.dk wrote:
onsdag den 18. maj 2022 kl. 23.27.40 UTC+2 skrev Ricky:
On Wednesday, May 18, 2022 at 5:19:46 PM UTC-4, lang...@fonz.dk
wrote:
onsdag den 18. maj 2022 kl. 23.05.33 UTC+2 skrev Ricky:
I need to prepare some sort of technical manual that would
provide a means of debugging a particular board. I was
originally planning for it to contain a theory of operation, but
also a guide that would provide detailed debug info for the test
program. In particular, for each type of failure, it would point
to various test points for probing and indicate the nature of
the signal to be expected.

I\'m thinking of the medium that this would be easiest in. The
test program is in Forth on a PC and could incorporate the
detailed instructions and the decision tree. It might be a bit
harder to bring up the images showing where to probe and the
signals expected in the console. But I\'m wondering if there\'s a
way to send HTML to a browser page to display this?

Anyone familiar with one application sending HTML to a browser
on the same machine? I guess this being more of a hardware
group, this might not be the best place to ask.

windows or linux?
Windows

if you can execute a system command like \"start filename.html\" it
should open filename.html in the default browser
(or bring bring up the chose application menu)

Is \"start\" an actual command?
It is, but I think it is a built-in of CMD.EXE. Powershell may have a
different version.

It looks up the default double-click action in the registry for that
file type. You can give it options to simulate other actions, like \"do
whatever is configured for right-click Edit\".

There is also a C API that does the same thing for you.

However, because of default security settings of some browsers, starting
a file.html won\'t necessarily load or run the associated Javascript
files. This depends on the browser and operating system. Test it, but if
you have a problem you might need to incorporate a tiny HTTP server.

Yes, I looked it up and START does exactly what I want. I can run
that using CMD which I\'m pretty sure I can invoke from my program. I
just need to make sure I don\'t create any infinite loops with that in
it! lol I\'d hate to have my computer crash from an infinite number
of new command line programs running. lol

I believe there\'s an API that does the same thing without having to make
a new process or execute CMD, but I\'d have to go searching some old code
for an example.

Clifford Heath

https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/win32/api/processthreadsapi/

There are a number of functions to create processes or threads and
manage them.

At one time you could use the IE COM interface to control it. I haven\'t
used Forth in years but it was fairly easy in Pytnon. Chrome can be
automated with the new WebDriver but it\'s more complex.

 

[none]

In article <d93b170a-c892-4682-a261-8b116333b8d2n@googlegroups.com>,
Ricky <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> wrote:

On Wednesday, May 18, 2022 at 5:49:53 PM UTC-4, lang...@fonz.dk wrote:
onsdag den 18. maj 2022 kl. 23.27.40 UTC+2 skrev Ricky:
On Wednesday, May 18, 2022 at 5:19:46 PM UTC-4, lang...@fonz.dk wrote:
onsdag den 18. maj 2022 kl. 23.05.33 UTC+2 skrev Ricky:
I need to prepare some sort of technical manual that would
provide a means of debugging a particular board. I was originally
planning for it to contain a theory of operation, but also a guide that
would provide detailed debug info for the test program. In particular,
for each type of failure, it would point to various test points for
probing and indicate the nature of the signal to be expected.

I\'m thinking of the medium that this would be easiest in. The
test program is in Forth on a PC and could incorporate the detailed
instructions and the decision tree. It might be a bit harder to bring up
the images showing where to probe and the signals expected in the
console. But I\'m wondering if there\'s a way to send HTML to a browser
page to display this?

Anyone familiar with one application sending HTML to a browser
on the same machine? I guess this being more of a hardware group, this
might not be the best place to ask.

windows or linux?
Windows

if you can execute a system command like \"start filename.html\" it
should open filename.html in the default browser
(or bring bring up the chose application menu)

Is \"start\" an actual command? I think I understand what you mean. Like
the file was double clicked in Windows, it would be opened by the
default browser... even Microsoft Edge. I\'ll ask in the Forth group how
to run a file. Thanks

In MS-Windows.
If I associate a .txt file with a particular editor,
the editor is opened with this file if I state the name of the text
file on the command prompt.
I would expect the same happens if you associate a .html file with
a browser.

(A unix shell could do the same, if a html is marked executable,
they could start the preferred mime association. There is no
such shell as far as I know.)

Caveat, the last MS-Windows I use is Windows XP. Maybe it has changed
in the meantime.

--

Rick C.

--
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alive and in the western country like US, people are free to
die from Covid 19 lol\" duc ha
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[none]

In article <773144ee-10a6-4fc0-8812-8df6ccd54436n@googlegroups.com>,
Ricky <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> wrote:

On Thursday, May 19, 2022 at 8:55:33 AM UTC-4, Clifford Heath wrote:
On 19/5/22 5:17 pm, Ricky wrote:
On Thursday, May 19, 2022 at 2:51:18 AM UTC-4, Clifford Heath wrote:
On 19/5/22 3:22 pm, Ricky wrote:
On Wednesday, May 18, 2022 at 9:11:41 PM UTC-4, Clifford Heath wrote:
On 19/5/22 8:04 am, Ricky wrote:
On Wednesday, May 18, 2022 at 5:49:53 PM UTC-4, lang...@fonz.dk wrote:
onsdag den 18. maj 2022 kl. 23.27.40 UTC+2 skrev Ricky:
On Wednesday, May 18, 2022 at 5:19:46 PM UTC-4,
lang...@fonz.dk wrote:
onsdag den 18. maj 2022 kl. 23.05.33 UTC+2 skrev Ricky:
I need to prepare some sort of technical manual that would
provide a means of debugging a particular board. I was originally
planning for it to contain a theory of operation, but also a guide that
would provide detailed debug info for the test program. In particular,
for each type of failure, it would point to various test points for
probing and indicate the nature of the signal to be expected.

I\'m thinking of the medium that this would be easiest in.
The test program is in Forth on a PC and could incorporate the detailed
instructions and the decision tree. It might be a bit harder to bring up
the images showing where to probe and the signals expected in the
console. But I\'m wondering if there\'s a way to send HTML to a browser
page to display this?

Anyone familiar with one application sending HTML to a
browser on the same machine? I guess this being more of a hardware
group, this might not be the best place to ask.

windows or linux?
Windows

if you can execute a system command like \"start filename.html\"
it should open filename.html in the default browser
(or bring bring up the chose application menu)

Is \"start\" an actual command?
It is, but I think it is a built-in of CMD.EXE. Powershell may have a
different version.

It looks up the default double-click action in the registry for that
file type. You can give it options to simulate other actions, like \"do
whatever is configured for right-click Edit\".

There is also a C API that does the same thing for you.

However, because of default security settings of some browsers, starting
a file.html won\'t necessarily load or run the associated Javascript
files. This depends on the browser and operating system. Test it, but if
you have a problem you might need to incorporate a tiny HTTP server.

Yes, I looked it up and START does exactly what I want. I can run
that using CMD which I\'m pretty sure I can invoke from my program. I
just need to make sure I don\'t create any infinite loops with that in
it! lol I\'d hate to have my computer crash from an infinite number of
new command line programs running. lol
I believe there\'s an API that does the same thing without having to make
a new process or execute CMD, but I\'d have to go searching some old code
for an example.

As soon as you say API, I assume you are talking about something in C.
Surely your Forth can load a DLL and call any function inside it,
especially if it only take a single string as an parameter? That\'s
pretty basic stuff I would expect from any scripting language...

Ok, what would be an example of that? Do you know of any code that does
that? I don\'t.

Forth does many, many things. I am limited to using the things I know
of and know how to use. The basic language is a basic language. It is
up to the designer of the Forth implementation to provide the various
bells and whistles.

Do you have documentation for the API you are talking about? I have no
problem with using a CMD approach. None, in fact, it can be very
advantageous to separate the testing, the generation of the HTML and the
display of the HTML.

That\'s my thinking anyway. If you have more information, I\'m happy to listen.

Check out ciforth. It runs any subroutine on any dll that is present
on your machine.
https://home.hccnet.nl/a.w.m.van.der.horst/wina.html
You can inspect the example of midi events. (openmidi sendmidi closemidi).
If you are not happy with ciforth, you can even copy the source implementation
for win32forth.
Read the sections DLL and DLL-calls-internal in
https://github.com/albertvanderhorst/ciforth/wiki

Documentation on this level about dll\'s is hard to come by, however.
There are datastructures defined in C, that must be passed around.

--

Rick C.

Groetjes Albert
--
\"in our communism country Viet Nam, people are forced to be
alive and in the western country like US, people are free to
die from Covid 19 lol\" duc ha
albert@spe&ar&c.xs4all.nl &=n http://home.hccnet.nl/a.w.m.van.der.horst

 

[Ricky]

On Monday, May 30, 2022 at 2:32:19 PM UTC-4, none albert wrote:

In article <d93b170a-c892-4682...@googlegroups.com>,
Ricky <gnuarm.del...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Wednesday, May 18, 2022 at 5:49:53 PM UTC-4, lang...@fonz.dk wrote:
onsdag den 18. maj 2022 kl. 23.27.40 UTC+2 skrev Ricky:
On Wednesday, May 18, 2022 at 5:19:46 PM UTC-4, lang...@fonz.dk wrote:
onsdag den 18. maj 2022 kl. 23.05.33 UTC+2 skrev Ricky:
I need to prepare some sort of technical manual that would
provide a means of debugging a particular board. I was originally
planning for it to contain a theory of operation, but also a guide that
would provide detailed debug info for the test program. In particular,
for each type of failure, it would point to various test points for
probing and indicate the nature of the signal to be expected.

I\'m thinking of the medium that this would be easiest in. The
test program is in Forth on a PC and could incorporate the detailed
instructions and the decision tree. It might be a bit harder to bring up
the images showing where to probe and the signals expected in the
console. But I\'m wondering if there\'s a way to send HTML to a browser
page to display this?

Anyone familiar with one application sending HTML to a browser
on the same machine? I guess this being more of a hardware group, this
might not be the best place to ask.

windows or linux?
Windows

if you can execute a system command like \"start filename.html\" it
should open filename.html in the default browser
(or bring bring up the chose application menu)

Is \"start\" an actual command? I think I understand what you mean. Like
the file was double clicked in Windows, it would be opened by the
default browser... even Microsoft Edge. I\'ll ask in the Forth group how
to run a file. Thanks
In MS-Windows.
If I associate a .txt file with a particular editor,
the editor is opened with this file if I state the name of the text
file on the command prompt.
I would expect the same happens if you associate a .html file with
a browser.

(A unix shell could do the same, if a html is marked executable,
they could start the preferred mime association. There is no
such shell as far as I know.)

Caveat, the last MS-Windows I use is Windows XP. Maybe it has changed
in the meantime.

Thanks for the reply. I\'ve decided it is not so important to link the debug instructions with the test program. The debug process for anything in the audio paths is pretty much the same, so one large HTML file with lots of images of schematic and PWB layouts showing where to probe.

I still have the rest of the board (purely digital) to do, so that is next. Two files that cover pretty much anything that goes wrong.

Thanks for the advice.

--

Rick C.

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