Tax Refunds are less this year, must be Trumps fault

On Friday, May 3, 2019 at 2:36:40 PM UTC-4, DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:

trader4@optonline.net wrote in
news:ced2d611-0ca9-4ece-893c-2489c0199524@googlegroups.com:

That;s another lie, why do you libs lie so much? It's absolutely
true that a stopped clock with a second hand is right twice a day.
And the 99.99% wrong flows directly from that. It's correct two
seconds in a day! Notably absent is your math, because, well you
know you're wrong and lying.



.00002314%

So, 2 seconds is 2 thousandths of one percent.

That would be 99.99997686%

Wrong again, fool. I've given you the math. There are 86400 seconds in
a day. The clock is correct for 86398. 86398/86400 * 100 = 99.99,
EXACTLY what I said in my first post! And not that it matters, the whole
point was that you're wrong, just like a stopped clock, which anyone could
understand, except of course you and the silly lib here.

TWO MINUTES is as Mr. Sloman stated as 99.86111%

So you were off... by a couple orders of magnitude... by your
number, resolved to actuality.

That is your problem. You do not understand resolution. None of
the numbers are right, because the real number is zero.

ROFL

"The real number is zero!"

Wrong, always wrong.

 

On Friday, May 3, 2019 at 2:26:05 PM UTC-4, DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:

trader4@optonline.net wrote in news:ced2d611-0ca9-4ece-893c-
2489c0199524@googlegroups.com:

"even a stopped clock is right twice a day",
isn't true.



Never made that argument. Merely said that your number is off.

Wrong again. You're replying as if I made that statement, when it was
your buddy Bill.

If you want to get technical by declaring that it is right twice a
day and give numerics as you did, then your numbers need to match,
and your number was off.

That;s another lie. A stopped clock is inaccurate to the second 99.99%
of the time. That is the number and it's correct. And it's all irrelevant
anyway, as the whole point was that you're wrong, just like a stopped clock.





You have been crying ever since and you

even made your number worse instead of fixing it. And that is when
the definition itself was examined (by us while you continued
crying)and the entire colloquialism gets rendered as just that...
a mere colloquialism, not all of which are 100.0000% accurate. And
you are still stamping your feet like a little elementary school
playground bully wannabe.

And now that we get down to the nitty gritty of it, you attack the
math and those whom use it.

How could that be? In this entire discussion the only math you tried
to show us was where you claimed that one plus one is zero.


Wrong, always wrong.



And again, why is it that you take one post that someone makes and then
cut it apart, making ten separate replies? Never mind, it goes along
with always being wrong.

 

And Trump took a $580 bil deficit in 2017
and turned it into a $1 tril deficit this year

And Obama burned u p $9 trillion in eight years, that is a trill and a quarter per year.

But I guess that's OK because...

Because ?

Because he is not Trump.

 

>You really are one stupid fuck. His company was young. He set >the policy, and HE maintained it AFTER being warned about the >behavior.

You know this - how ?

How ?
How ?
How ?

 

>Wrong again, fool. I've given you the math. There are 86400 >seconds in a day. The clock is correct for 86398. 86398/86400 >* 100 = 99.99, EXACTLY what I said in my first post! And not that it matters, the whole point was that you're wrong, just like a stopped clock, which anyone could understand, except of course you and the silly lib here.

Since you're entertaining an actual debate here I figured I would horn in.

This clock thing, this is not the first time I have given it some thought. The original impetus for my line of thinking was New Years Eve. I postulated that midnight of the last year IS the new year. This because even if you have access to the most accurate clock in the world, it still takes TIME for the reflected light from the clock to get to your eyes and at that time it is already next year. Well this year but not last year...

Those fractions of femtoseconds, while not really significant are a quantity and as such must be addressed in science dealing with this topic.

Is the stopped clock right twice a day ? In the empirical sense of truth I do not really know.

The hands happen to read right but if it does not run is it a clock ? Like the gas gauge in older cars, the electro-mechanical type. In the really old days when the key was off it would read empty. It was non-functional though and could only be considered a gas gauge when functional, right ? Later when they changed to a field coil instead of a permanent magnet (to improve accuracy with varying system voltage) the unpowered gauge would read anything, and usually stayed where it was when active.

But when a gauge, and a clock is a time gauge, is running it is a clock. When it is not running it is a paperweight.

So in essence we need to decide if a stopped clock is indeed a clock or not..

Agree, or not ? You have the floor, state your case.

 

>Then so too is there benefit to the landlord. It's the landlord >that's getting stiffed if there is an eviction, damages, etc.

Yeah, and I won $400 in one hand at a poker game. Shoot me.

Did he benefit form discrimination ? Well if you don't want bugs and drugs I guess you discriminate. On race ? Your call.

When Trump got into the rental game it wasn't all that bad. Now, especially in NYC if you rent to somebody they have you by the gonads.

One guy I corresponded with said he figured out a quick eviction - turn off the water. Then it is technically illegal to occupy and the deputies will do the work for free. Otherwise you have to pay like 4 of them about $25 an hour each to clear the shit out. In their own sweet time of course.

It is much better to just not rent to the wrong people. Personally I got my own way of handling an eviction which involves carrying their stove outside by myself. I am not sure how well that would go over where I live now, but then I am no longer a landlord and don't have to worry about it.

When it comes to what many people consider "criminal", Trump is a babe in the woods. I may not be 100% proud of my past but I know how the fuck things are. And I started learning young. Very young. And while many people will say "Oh dear what a shame" I wouldn't trade my past for anything. I REALLY know how to read people, that is why I am alive. Sometimes I am wrong, like the time I got beat and kicked half to death and then shot in the face with a .38. But that's the breaks. Most people would not have survived it. In fact I can say that about a few other times in my younger days.

What happened to me ? Well the reason I didn't fall is because of my skill. when I figured out I could make twice as much as most of the people I knew I didn't need to run a fencing operation, or have a ring of "boosters". Know what they are ? When you want something you send the boosters out and they steal it. Mechanics are "muscle" and you buy that by the pound. Many of them are willing to kill but that costs. That is getting old though, even the worst "groups" would prefer not to kill, especially for money only. But I think I can still get a house burned down for a few of kegs of beer.

You watch these scum steal millions form each other, which they stole from us, and you think not much of it unless you are politically motivated. That is all high level and not only doesn't it mean all that much, it affects us even less.

Really. Like you think it is criminal that Trump settled his tax bill with some state ? There are people advertising on TV that they can get you off for like 10%. Is THAT illegal ?

How about my million TAX FUCKING FREE ? Yup, and no paper trail. there is zero evidence, plus I blew all the money. Damn at was fun...

 

On Saturday, May 4, 2019 at 1:38:20 AM UTC+10, tra...@optonline.net wrote:

On Friday, May 3, 2019 at 11:08:19 AM UTC-4, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
On Friday, May 3, 2019 at 10:26:46 PM UTC+10, tra...@optonline.net wrote:
On Thursday, May 2, 2019 at 10:57:28 PM UTC-4, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
On Friday, May 3, 2019 at 12:31:48 PM UTC+10, tra...@optonline.net wrote:
On Thursday, May 2, 2019 at 8:55:09 PM UTC-4, DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:
trader4@optonline.net wrote in news:56341c1c-429d-4a68-8a90-
70894c04ce1b@googlegroups.com:

Wrong again, always wrong. A stopped clock is right twice a day,
which is more than I can say about you.

You missed the point yet again, child.

A stopped clock is right twice a day for only an instant. One
instant plus one instant equals zero.

Wrong again. One instant plus one instant equals two instants. One instant plus a negative instant would be zero. Another failure at basic algebra. Bill must be proud.

Clearly you've never done calculus.

Typical and expected from a lib. Libs think only they are intelligent
and knowledgeable, superior in every way and that they should make decisions
for all of us, because we are incapable.

You are certainly seem incapable of working out why I might have said that.

Basic algebra does have its place, but the concepts of "limits" is more subtle, and you've obviously not mastered it and probably haven't even been exposed to it.

A Dirac impulse has zero width but a finite area, which is obvious nonsense, but doesn't stop it from being a useful concept.

Thanks for dragging that into the discussion, lamebrain. So, if I have
an impulse function at 8AM I have one impulse function. And if I have an
impulse function at 8PM, I have one impulse function. But I don't have
TWO a day? I have ZERO? Where did you learn to count?

That's the whole problem. You don't count impulse functions, you integrate over them.

BS. If I have an impulse at 8AM and one at 8PM, I have TWO impulses, fool.



Calculus is a process of dividing up the natural (as opposed to the integral) numbers into progressively finer divisions, and seeing what would happen when you make the intervals small enough so that everything looks linear..

Thanks for further demonstrating the lib mentality. Only libs could
understand calculus, not that it matters, because it's just your
lame attempt at diversion.




It only works when the process being looked at is single-valued and continuous, but time of day is exactly that.

ROFL

Actually rolling around the floor looking like a half-wit, but you don't see it that way.

And that is EXACTLY what the discussion was about. You're quite amazing.
That fool DL posts one stupid, incorrect thing after another. For example,
he denied that a stopped clock is right twice a day! Not a peep from you.

He's right, in the sense that stopped clock is never right. It looks like a clock showing the correct time twice a day (if it hasn't got a second hand) so it is obviously wrong 99.99861111% of the time (where the last digit recurs).


Well, duh! You finally get it! Kind of. But you're still wrong, because
even if it has a second hand, then it's still right twice a day!

It might look right, but it only take a minute for it to be obvious that what's on the clock face hasn't got anything to do with the actual time.

> All the other BS, is well, BS.

Using BS in krw-style, in the sense that anything you disagree with is BS.

The idea that you might have a narrow and decidedly self0serving point of view may have escaped you, but it is obvious to more disinterested observers..

Sure, anyone could argue with what is the real
accuracy of any clock, for example. But only true morons or dishonest libs
would argue that the expression "even a stopped clock is right twice a day",
isn't true.

It's a useful metaphor, but strictly a metaphor.

But I say that a stopped clock is right 99.99% of the time, and woooah,
here you come. According to you and the nitwit it's all wrong.

It was an inadequate approximation to the correct figure and he called you on it.

That;s another lie, why do you libs lie so much? It's absolutely true
that a stopped clock with a second hand is right twice a day. And the
99.99% wrong flows directly from that. It's correct two seconds in a day!
Notably absent is your math, because, well you know you're wrong and lying.

The correct figure is 99.99861111%. You may claim to have truncated it at four significant digits, but 99.99% looks rather more like one of those invented statistics, and adding even one more significant digit makes it clear that it wasn't invented, and you didn't bother.

He even got his dick wrapped around the axle by trying to use 1440 minutes in > a day, instead of SECONDS!

If a clock has a second hand, you can see it moving, so the idea doesn't work.

Totally irrelevant of course. The indicated time is correct, to the second,
twice a day. Why do libs lie so much? Geez, it's a common expression,
even a stopped clock is correct twice a day! And it's true. Only morons
and screwy libs would argue otherwise.

A stopped clock may look as if it is correct twice a day, but it stops looking correct after that minute, so it clearly wasn't right even when it looked as if it could be right.

Only a right-wing nitwit with his head up his bottom could refuse to comprehend that point. Rather like a stopped clock.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

trader4@optonline.net wrote in
news:10aa9f3a-ae63-487f-b5b5-1d9622b1d849@googlegroups.com:

On Friday, May 3, 2019 at 2:15:20 PM UTC-4,
DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:
trader4@optonline.net wrote in
news:ced2d611-0ca9-4ece-893c-2489c0199524@googlegroups.com:

BS. If I have an impulse at 8AM and one at 8PM, I have TWO
impulses, fool.



Of ZERO length.

Zero impulse length X 2 impulses X 'times a day' = ZERO.

You lose... again... as usual.

That's obviously wrong. If there is an impulse at 8AM and one at
8PM, then there were TWO impulses that day. 1+1 = 2

You keep leaving out the impulse length, which IS ZERO.

So, math dumbfuck, it IS 1 + 1 * 0 = 0

You retarded piece of shit.

Capiche?

You insult Italians. You dig, you stupid fuck?

> Wrong, always wrong.

Nice sig. You should keep using it. It fits you perfectly.

 

On Fri, 3 May 2019 20:22:53 -0700 (PDT), jurb6006@gmail.com wrote:

Wrong again, fool. I've given you the math. There are 86400 >seconds in a day. The clock is correct for 86398. 86398/86400 >* 100 = 99.99, EXACTLY what I said in my first post! And not that it matters, the whole point was that you're wrong, just like a stopped clock, which anyone could understand, except of course you and the silly lib here.

Since you're entertaining an actual debate here I figured I would horn in.

This clock thing, this is not the first time I have given it some thought. The original impetus for my line of thinking was New Years Eve. I postulated that midnight of the last year IS the new year.

No, midnight is the start of the day, so midnight on New Years Eve is
24 hours (minus epsilon, to avoid the silly BS that AW is spewing)
before the new year.

>This because even if you have access to the most accurate clock in the world, it still takes TIME for the reflected light from the clock to get to your eyes and at that time it is already next year. Well this year but not last year...

That's just perception. What we see doesn't change the universe.

>Those fractions of femtoseconds, while not really significant are a quantity and as such must be addressed in science dealing with this topic.

Well, more than "femtoseconds". Light travels a foot per nanosecond,
so...

>Is the stopped clock right twice a day ? In the empirical sense of truth I do not really know.

It's right but not useful. It conveys no information.

>The hands happen to read right but if it does not run is it a clock ? Like the gas gauge in older cars, the electro-mechanical type. In the really old days when the key was off it would read empty. It was non-functional though and could only be considered a gas gauge when functional, right ? Later when they changed to a field coil instead of a permanent magnet (to improve accuracy with varying system voltage) the unpowered gauge would read anything, and usually stayed where it was when active.

Right, sorta. It conveys no information. Your gas gauge example is a
bit different, though.

But when a gauge, and a clock is a time gauge, is running it is a clock. When it is not running it is a paperweight.

So in essence we need to decide if a stopped clock is indeed a clock or not.

It's a clock but not a useful one.

>Agree, or not ? You have the floor, state your case.

Maybe, sorta, no.

 

jurb6006@gmail.com wrote in
news:2a0ef189-5714-4f2d-a0fb-4d05ecfa665d@googlegroups.com:

So in essence we need to decide if a stopped clock is indeed a
clock or not.

Agree, or not ? You have the floor, state your case.

"A clock" is a FUNCTIONING chronometer.

A broken or stopped clock is not any kind of chronometer. and said
stopped clock carries exactly zero correct indications of time ever.

Debate over.

 

On Fri, 3 May 2019 15:24:57 -0700 (PDT), trader4@optonline.net wrote:

On Friday, May 3, 2019 at 2:03:01 PM UTC-4, DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:
trader4@optonline.net wrote in
news:8b295abf-4383-4b46-a5c9-2614db6d0474@googlegroups.com:

The tax debt goes with the business entity, it's not Trump's
personally, capiche?


Incorrect. That gets hashed during the bankruptcy trial procedings.
The tax debt may or may not carry through.

You clueless fucktard.

That's wrong too. Wrong again, always wrong. And again, why is it that
you take one post and reply to it in ten separate new posts, instead
of in one, where it's all in context?

BitRex does the same. Hmm, perhaps BR is just another of Nymbecile's
nyms. They do have a strong resemblance.

>NEver mind, we know, it's because you're clueless.

AlwaysWrong, for sure.

 

jurb6006@gmail.com wrote in news:475e2d97-e129-4fec-8bb0-bb890c5d2610
@googlegroups.com:

> Did he benefit form discrimination ?

Damn dude. Sorry punk, but you could not dance if you tried and this
prancing around gets you nowhere.

It was a crime, period. Benefit or not. It was not a civil case,
idiot.

 

jurb6006@gmail.com wrote in
news:624138a6-6805-4a72-9a07-056911aae4ec@googlegroups.com:

Remember that report that gave liberals a heart attack - NO
EVIDENCE TRUMP DID ANYTHING WRONG. AFTER OVER TWO FUCKING YEARS
AND HOW MANY MILLIONS ?

My post had nothing to do with the report. You dig, punk?

Damn, boy, you are one presumptuous dumbfuck.

 

jurb6006@gmail.com wrote in news:69434e38-5719-40e2-befa-
6e90a641f73c@googlegroups.com:

But I guess that's OK because...

Because ?

Because the nation was in the middle of a war prosecution, you dopey
dumbfuck.

 

>A broken or stopped clock is not any kind of chronometer. and >said stopped clock carries exactly zero correct indications of >time ever.

Quit agreeing with me motherfucker, you know what they'll say...

BUT !

I think you'll agree that any metering device that is non-functional is not a metering device.

Now does that mean it is never right ?

 

On Saturday, May 4, 2019 at 12:40:25 PM UTC+10, jurb...@gmail.com wrote:

And Trump took a $580 bil deficit in 2017
and turned it into a $1 tril deficit this year

And Obama burned u p $9 trillion in eight years, that is a trill and a quarter per year.

But I guess that's OK because...

Because ?

That's what it took to stop the global financial crisis from turning into a rerun of the Great Depression.

It's a Keynesian observation, which involves more advanced economics than you - or the Republican Party - can master, but the people running the economy adopted the idea anyway.

> Because he is not Trump.

That did help. Obama could sit still for long enough to listen to what his economic advisors were telling him, and had enough sense to understand it.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

>That's just perception. What we see doesn't change the universe.

That is debatable, in fact is or has been. The observer effect is a recognized ummm, thing of science.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Observer_effect_(physics)

That page starts out with tire pressure. You know to get the gauge on it some air leaks out, always. But the idea behind the concept goes far beyond that. If you stick a meat thermometer in meat that affects its temperature because it has to change temperature to read it.

Carrying this so far as to using telescopes to view other galaxies n shit, well it is true the you are not affecting it, itself. But you are affecting its effect on the universe. The light deflected, well refracted into a telescope is, lost ? Where did it go ?

Think about the laws of physics, conservation of energy. It either gets to be matter or stays energy but it cannot be destroyed. Neither can anything. That's right, you cannot destroy anything.

If you use a nuclear bomb on Cleveland, you will scatter our atoms all over the place. But they still exist. Technically, you will have destroyed nothing.

But it still affects the universe. Everything does. Everything.

Electronics testing, put something on the DUT and read what you get. Of course that affects it. You want to test a thermistor ? You use an ohmmeter. The ohmmeter puts a current across the DUT so it can read. That current adds up to heat, which can actually throw off the reading, but that is rarely significant... maybe.

How it is.

 

jurb6006@gmail.com wrote in
news:0345dfb6-13de-49ce-a04f-0b986e869378@googlegroups.com:

I think you'll agree that any metering device that is
non-functional is not a metering device.

Now does that mean it is never right ?

Only if it has an indicator that remains visible. And in said
'metering device' case, it would only be 'right' one time in it's
entire dead life.

Electronic displays for a metering device would have to be
energized to display. Then we get into the minutia of the semantics
of what 'stopped' means. An electronic display clock could also be
a 24 hr formatted clock, which would only be right once in a day IF
it were energized but 'stopped'.

Blah blah fucking blah.

A chronometer is an indictaor of a recent time point. It will
ALWAYS be off by the few feet or hundreds of feet between it and its
observer, but we ALL already knew that. This is not about the time
to reach the observer.

A stopped clock is NEVER 'right' because 'a clock' is an indicator
of a moving reference and cannot register ANY reference if it is not
advancing and displaying said registers. Only by way of an observer
already knowing what the register reads, can that observer be there
to see as his working clock traverses past that moment. The moment
has no length, and that is regardless of the granularity of the
registers (hours, minutes, seconds).

A stopped clock is NEVER right because ANYONE making said
qualifying observation MUST have a working clock with which to make
the assessment as whatever moment the clock is stopped at passes.
Without the qualifying clock, ANY observer would dispute and
discount and discard ANY reading on said stopped clock.

 

jurb6006@gmail.com wrote in
news:d8216004-065a-45cf-b942-091aaf05baf3@googlegroups.com:

If you stick a meat thermometer in meat that affects its
temperature because it has to change temperature to read it.

Only the temp of the meat directly local to the probe. That is
why meat thermometers have small diameters. They reach 'soak
time' quicker. Almost immediately, in fact so if the meat
represented by moles would be a gazillion of 'em and what the probe
changed would be like a ten thousandth of one mole, and only for a
few moments. IOW extremely negligible.

So yeah, dude... a whole gram of the meat along the length of the
probe changed for a couple of moments. But the entire slab of meat
did not move one fucking iota in temp.

It is like throwing a bowling ball at the moon and claiming you
moved it with the ball's impact inertia. The Moon dod not move.

The meat's temperature did not move, Heat moves not cold. The
probe soaked UP to the full meat temp before it even got completely
inserted.

One must learn what the term NEGLIGIBLE means and where that line
is to be drawn in each case and know when and how to implement it.

There is a time 'to sweat the small stuff' and a time to ignore
it.

 

On Saturday, May 4, 2019 at 2:23:32 AM UTC-4, DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:

jurb6006@gmail.com wrote in
news:0345dfb6-13de-49ce-a04f-0b986e869378@googlegroups.com:

I think you'll agree that any metering device that is
non-functional is not a metering device.

Now does that mean it is never right ?



Only if it has an indicator that remains visible. And in said
'metering device' case, it would only be 'right' one time in it's
entire dead life.

Electronic displays for a metering device would have to be
energized to display. Then we get into the minutia of the semantics
of what 'stopped' means. An electronic display clock could also be
a 24 hr formatted clock, which would only be right once in a day IF
it were energized but 'stopped'.

Blah blah fucking blah.

A chronometer is an indictaor of a recent time point. It will
ALWAYS be off by the few feet or hundreds of feet between it and its
observer, but we ALL already knew that. This is not about the time
to reach the observer.

A stopped clock is NEVER 'right'

Wrong, always wrong. A stopped clock is right twice a day. It shows
8:20. Well, when it's actually 8:20, it's correct for one minute.
If it shows 8:20:37, then it's right for one second. That happens
twice a day. Capiche? No, of course not.






because 'a clock' is an indicator

of a moving reference and cannot register ANY reference if it is not
advancing and displaying said registers. Only by way of an observer
already knowing what the register reads, can that observer be there
to see as his working clock traverses past that moment. The moment
has no length, and that is regardless of the granularity of the
registers (hours, minutes, seconds).

A stopped clock is NEVER right because ANYONE making said
qualifying observation MUST have a working clock with which to make
the assessment as whatever moment the clock is stopped at passes.

No shit Sherlock.

Without the qualifying clock, ANY observer would dispute and
discount and discard ANY reading on said stopped clock.

But with the reference clock, when it agrees with what the broken clock
is displaying, the broken clock is correct for that minute or second, etc.


Wrong, always wrong.