Tada.... SONY Have Done It Again

[John]

http://business.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,9075-1914429,00.html



Here we go again.......

 

[SG1]

"John" <sittinginthepool@internode.on.net> wrote in message
news:4397B086.DA39C58C@internode.on.net...

http://business.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,9075-1914429,00.html



Here we go again.......

I guess I won't be upgrading my eyepatch of Soundforge anytime, as Sony

bought it a while back.

 

[Nicholas Sherlock]

John wrote:

http://business.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,9075-1914429,00.html

Here we go again.......

Sony should run an advertising campaign telling consumers that it is
safer to pirate music online than to buy Sony CDs in the shops.

Cheers,
Nicholas Sherlock

 

[The Real Andy]

On Thu, 08 Dec 2005 14:33:18 +1030, John
<sittinginthepool@internode.on.net> wrote:

http://business.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,9075-1914429,00.html



Here we go again.......

At least Sony has the balls to make an attempt to protect there own
interests.

And

http://business.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,9075-1917245,00.html

Shows a perfect reason as to why software patents are a joke.

 

[Colin Ž]

"The Real Andy" <will_get_back_to_you_on_This@> wrote in message
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On Thu, 08 Dec 2005 14:33:18 +1030, John
sittinginthepool@internode.on.net> wrote:


http://business.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,9075-1914429,00.html



Here we go again.......

At least Sony has the balls to make an attempt to protect there own
interests.

What ? By taking ownership of your PC because you bought a music CD.

Not even Bill has that much arrogance - he's close tho.

 

[Clockmeister]

"The Real Andy" <will_get_back_to_you_on_This@> wrote in message
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On Thu, 08 Dec 2005 14:33:18 +1030, John
sittinginthepool@internode.on.net> wrote:


http://business.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,9075-1914429,00.html



Here we go again.......

At least Sony has the balls to make an attempt to protect there own
interests.

By installing a security issue onto your PC without your knowledge or
consent?
And someone wishing to play a CD on their PC doesn't make them a pirate,
it's a generalisation based on a false assumption.

Fuck Sony, piratebay it is.

 

[Flashes of Sky]

Re: aus.computers

At least Sony has the balls to make an attempt to protect there own
interests.

Rootkits are bad. This is no paranoia, that people are concerned that
Sony/other crackers might abuse the computers that been 'owned'.

Though, I do question the use of this article as a source of information
with their use of hacker meaning cracker, because quite plainly, people who
abuse the rootkit are crackers.

 

[The Real Andy]

On Fri, 09 Dec 2005 21:58:39 GMT, "Colin Ž" <tobyjug7@yahoo.com.au>
wrote:

"The Real Andy" <will_get_back_to_you_on_This@> wrote in message
news:f2lip158fph265h2gtee3hnqp54aak0c2o@4ax.com...
On Thu, 08 Dec 2005 14:33:18 +1030, John
sittinginthepool@internode.on.net> wrote:


http://business.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,9075-1914429,00.html



Here we go again.......

At least Sony has the balls to make an attempt to protect there own
interests.


What ? By taking ownership of your PC because you bought a music CD.

Not even Bill has that much arrogance - he's close tho.

Put yourself in Sony's situation. You have something that everyone
else wants. Everyone goes out of there way to steal what you own. What
do you do? Me personally, i dont sit back and let people steal what i
own.

So, what can you do? A third party company comes up with an idea to
protect your interest. What would you do? Would you say 'No, I prefer
people to keep stealing what I own, what I paid for' or would you say,
I will give it a go?

What would you do? Everyone is quick to bag Sony, but no one seems to
understand why they are doing this.

BTW. I am not saying what they do is right, but in their favour, they
are only trying to protect what they rightfully own.

 

[Colin Ž]

"The Real Andy" <will_get_back_to_you_on_This@> wrote in message
news:981tp198vb777tgdbpssrni42so1di73ta@4ax.com...

BTW. I am not saying what they do is right, but in their favour, they
are only trying to protect what they rightfully own.

Yep, I understand and agree they have a perfect right to protect their
property.

The argument is about how they completely ignored the buyers rights and
overstepped what is ethically ( at the very least) reasonable - even in
todays world.

 

[Jasen Betts]

Put yourself in Sony's situation. You have something that everyone
else wants. Everyone goes out of there way to steal what you own. What
do you do? Me personally, i dont sit back and let people steal what i
own.

noone was stealing anything from Sony. Copyright infringement is not theft.

So, what can you do? A third party company comes up with an idea to
protect your interest. What would you do? Would you say 'No, I prefer
people to keep stealing what I own, what I paid for' or would you say,
I will give it a go?

one would hope that they'd consult some experts before rolling out stealth
software.

What would you do? Everyone is quick to bag Sony, but no one seems to
understand why they are doing this.

when the guard dog becomes a public nuisance the guard dog must go.

BTW. I am not saying what they do is right, but in their favour, they
are only trying to protect what they rightfully own.

They should be more carefull, So far all they've managed is to convince some
people that it's safer not to buy CDs. Not exactly the result they wanted.

Bye.
Jasen

 

[Franc Zabkar]

On Sun, 11 Dec 2005 04:09:29 +0000 (UTC), Flashes of Sky
<mimi001@austarnet.com.au> put finger to keyboard and composed:

Re: aus.computers

At least Sony has the balls to make an attempt to protect there own
interests.


Rootkits are bad.

I wonder if two rootkits could coexist on the same machine. Both would
be trying to gain control of the OS kernel. It would be interesting
....

This is no paranoia, that people are concerned that
Sony/other crackers might abuse the computers that been 'owned'.

I sympathise with those whose IP is being stolen - they have a right
to expect that their interests will be protected. OTOH a consumer has
the right to expect that the price he pays for a product will not be
subverted by anticompetitive practices such as region coding, or
restrictions on parallel importing. Sony can't have it both ways. They
certainly don't have the right to take control of someone else's
property.

Though, I do question the use of this article as a source of information
with their use of hacker meaning cracker, because quite plainly, people who
abuse the rootkit are crackers.

I like to think of myself as an occasional hacker. Getting a piece of
hardware or software to do things it wasn't designed to do is a buzz.
A hacker is the ultimate lateral thinker, whereas a cracker is just a
smart crim. It's unfortunate that the two terms are used
interchangeably.

- Franc Zabkar
--
Please remove one 'i' from my address when replying by email.

 

[The Real Andy]

On Wed, 14 Dec 2005 06:12:16 -0000, Jasen Betts
<jasen@free.net.nospam.nz> wrote:

Put yourself in Sony's situation. You have something that everyone
else wants. Everyone goes out of there way to steal what you own. What
do you do? Me personally, i dont sit back and let people steal what i
own.

noone was stealing anything from Sony. Copyright infringement is not theft.

Yeah, i think that has already been proven in court. Mind you, if
_you_ spend millions signing and recording some artist and
distributing their music, you have an investment. If I stole your
investment would you be happy?

So, what can you do? A third party company comes up with an idea to
protect your interest. What would you do? Would you say 'No, I prefer
people to keep stealing what I own, what I paid for' or would you say,
I will give it a go?

one would hope that they'd consult some experts before rolling out stealth
software.

They did, the experts were wrong. The experts supplied the software.
Sony did not write the software.

What would you do? Everyone is quick to bag Sony, but no one seems to
understand why they are doing this.

when the guard dog becomes a public nuisance the guard dog must go.

Perhaps. But if there never was a guard dog we would never know.

I guess the police pulling me up for an RBT is a nuisence, i guess we
should get rid of the police too.

BTW. I am not saying what they do is right, but in their favour, they
are only trying to protect what they rightfully own.

They should be more carefull, So far all they've managed is to convince some
people that it's safer not to buy CDs. Not exactly the result they wanted.

I doubt very much that this will affect the business significantly.

 

[Jasen Betts]

Rootkits are bad.

I wonder if two rootkits could coexist on the same machine. Both would
be trying to gain control of the OS kernel. It would be interesting
...

Rootkits don't take over the kernel. they just modify it to mask their
existance. much like the "stealth visuses" of old.

--

Bye.
Jasen

 

[Jasen Betts]

["Followup-To:" header set to aus.electronics.]
On 2005-12-14, John <sittinginthepool@internode.on.net> wrote:

I actually agree and understand your sentiment in part......

Having said that some other less intrusive form of protection
could have been implemented...... Perhaps copying only on
the computer that the disc is played? Some kind of encoding
that only works on 1 computer......

How about the music CD has a small portion set as writeable
and once inserted into a PC it would encode to that particular
PC and allow copying but ONLY on that PC........

Too much bother to go to for what ammounts to a pretense of copy-
protection...

Bye.
Jasen

 

[David]

"Jasen Betts" <jasen@free.net.nospam.nz> wrote in message
news:10de.43a138fa.d7199@clunker.homenet...

Rootkits are bad.

I wonder if two rootkits could coexist on the same machine. Both would
be trying to gain control of the OS kernel. It would be interesting
...

Rootkits don't take over the kernel. they just modify it to mask their
existance. much like the "stealth visuses" of old.

--

Bye.
Jasen

What a pitty Sony don't stick to what used to be their core business -
electronics.

Maybe they wouldn't be churning out the unreliable crap that they do now.