Study Predicts Both Ford And GM Will Overtake Tesla By 2025...

[Fred Bloggs]

Tesla market share will plummet from the 70% it is today to 11% by 2025.

https://insideevs.com/news/595658/study-predicts-both-ford-gm-will-overtake-tesla-by-2025/

They\'ll find out the hard way there\'s much more to being a successful auto manufacturer than engineering the vehicle.

Newly introduced line by Hyundai already looks better anything Tesla has and they\'re getting into incorporating the vehicle into V2H Hyundai Home:

https://cleantechnica.com/2022/11/18/hyundai-debuts-ioniq-6-hyundai-home-v2h-for-us/

 

[Don Y]

On 11/19/2022 5:41 PM, Fred Bloggs wrote:
> Tesla market share will plummet from the 70% it is today to 11% by 2025.

That seems like it would be fairly obvious. Even the early Tesla adopters,
here, have moved on to other EVs. Gotta wonder what THEY know that prompted
such a change...

 

[Ricky]

On Saturday, November 19, 2022 at 7:41:22 PM UTC-5, Fred Bloggs wrote:

Tesla market share will plummet from the 70% it is today to 11% by 2025.

https://insideevs.com/news/595658/study-predicts-both-ford-gm-will-overtake-tesla-by-2025/

They\'ll find out the hard way there\'s much more to being a successful auto manufacturer than engineering the vehicle.

Newly introduced line by Hyundai already looks better anything Tesla has and they\'re getting into incorporating the vehicle into V2H Hyundai Home:

https://cleantechnica.com/2022/11/18/hyundai-debuts-ioniq-6-hyundai-home-v2h-for-us/

That is very possible. I have been saying all along that the auto industry is the \"sleeping giant\" that has been awoken by Tesla\'s success in BEVs. But 2025 is a bit early I think. Also, we need to keep in mind that whatever the Tesla market share is in 2025, it is not because of a loss of sales, rather because the market has grown.

There\'s an interesting contradiction in the article, \"11 percent by 2025\" and \"shift wildly in the opposite direction in the next four years\". It is almost 2023. How can \"four years\" be 2025? Is this about some old study from 2021?

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[Ricky]

On Saturday, November 19, 2022 at 9:31:53 PM UTC-5, Don Y wrote:

On 11/19/2022 5:41 PM, Fred Bloggs wrote:
Tesla market share will plummet from the 70% it is today to 11% by 2025..
That seems like it would be fairly obvious. Even the early Tesla adopters,
here, have moved on to other EVs. Gotta wonder what THEY know that prompted
such a change...

Don\'t be silly. Tesla sales are not even dented by the few people who have bought other cars after buying a Tesla. The reduction in market share will have nothing to do with reduced sales, rather it is an indication of increased market size and larger sales from the many other companies making BEVs. Heck, by 2025, even Toyota might be selling BEVs.

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[Fred Bloggs]

On Sunday, November 20, 2022 at 12:21:08 AM UTC-5, Ricky wrote:

On Saturday, November 19, 2022 at 7:41:22 PM UTC-5, Fred Bloggs wrote:
Tesla market share will plummet from the 70% it is today to 11% by 2025..

https://insideevs.com/news/595658/study-predicts-both-ford-gm-will-overtake-tesla-by-2025/

They\'ll find out the hard way there\'s much more to being a successful auto manufacturer than engineering the vehicle.

Newly introduced line by Hyundai already looks better anything Tesla has and they\'re getting into incorporating the vehicle into V2H Hyundai Home:

https://cleantechnica.com/2022/11/18/hyundai-debuts-ioniq-6-hyundai-home-v2h-for-us/
That is very possible. I have been saying all along that the auto industry is the \"sleeping giant\" that has been awoken by Tesla\'s success in BEVs. But 2025 is a bit early I think. Also, we need to keep in mind that whatever the Tesla market share is in 2025, it is not because of a loss of sales, rather because the market has grown.

There\'s an interesting contradiction in the article, \"11 percent by 2025\" and \"shift wildly in the opposite direction in the next four years\". It is almost 2023. How can \"four years\" be 2025? Is this about some old study from 2021?

2021 is old? You do understand you\'re living in 2022, right? right? A 2021 study makes sense because it takes about a year to accurately know what went on, gather finished data, and so forth.

Tesla sales can only go down for several reasons. A big one is they can\'t keep up with demand they have now. This stuff about waiting 9 months for a delivery is a joke. That alone is going to knock them out of the running and lose sales.
https://insideevs.com/news/557667/us-tesla-estimated-delivery-times/

Compare that amateur operation to the BIG AUTO set-up with a multitude of dealerships, well trained staff, and working relations with other essentials for a mass market economy such as insurance, lending institutions, massive charging station networks, and Tesla becomes a speck of nothing.

Tesla didn\'t teach the industry anything. They introduced a lot of flash and dazzle glitz full of bugs and set a record for volume of recalls, damaging the acceptance of EVs if anything. The American public doesn\'t need self-driving cars, most of them probably wouldn\'t trust it. Tesla is for techno-geeks and a big waste of money for most people. The simpler, more functional and reliable products from established industry is going to make Tesla disappear.

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[Ricky]

On Sunday, November 20, 2022 at 10:42:12 AM UTC-5, Fred Bloggs wrote:

On Sunday, November 20, 2022 at 12:21:08 AM UTC-5, Ricky wrote:
On Saturday, November 19, 2022 at 7:41:22 PM UTC-5, Fred Bloggs wrote:
Tesla market share will plummet from the 70% it is today to 11% by 2025.

https://insideevs.com/news/595658/study-predicts-both-ford-gm-will-overtake-tesla-by-2025/

They\'ll find out the hard way there\'s much more to being a successful auto manufacturer than engineering the vehicle.

Newly introduced line by Hyundai already looks better anything Tesla has and they\'re getting into incorporating the vehicle into V2H Hyundai Home:

https://cleantechnica.com/2022/11/18/hyundai-debuts-ioniq-6-hyundai-home-v2h-for-us/
That is very possible. I have been saying all along that the auto industry is the \"sleeping giant\" that has been awoken by Tesla\'s success in BEVs.. But 2025 is a bit early I think. Also, we need to keep in mind that whatever the Tesla market share is in 2025, it is not because of a loss of sales, rather because the market has grown.

There\'s an interesting contradiction in the article, \"11 percent by 2025\" and \"shift wildly in the opposite direction in the next four years\". It is almost 2023. How can \"four years\" be 2025? Is this about some old study from 2021?
2021 is old? You do understand you\'re living in 2022, right? right? A 2021 study makes sense because it takes about a year to accurately know what went on, gather finished data, and so forth.

Tesla sales can only go down for several reasons. A big one is they can\'t keep up with demand they have now. This stuff about waiting 9 months for a delivery is a joke. That alone is going to knock them out of the running and lose sales.
https://insideevs.com/news/557667/us-tesla-estimated-delivery-times/

Compare that amateur operation to the BIG AUTO set-up with a multitude of dealerships, well trained staff, and working relations with other essentials for a mass market economy such as insurance, lending institutions, massive charging station networks, and Tesla becomes a speck of nothing.

Tesla didn\'t teach the industry anything. They introduced a lot of flash and dazzle glitz full of bugs and set a record for volume of recalls, damaging the acceptance of EVs if anything. The American public doesn\'t need self-driving cars, most of them probably wouldn\'t trust it. Tesla is for techno-geeks and a big waste of money for most people. The simpler, more functional and reliable products from established industry is going to make Tesla disappear.

I\'ve never seen anyone sound like they are arguing a point, while proving themselves wrong at every turn. Amazing.

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[Don Y]

On 11/20/2022 8:42 AM, Fred Bloggs wrote:

Tesla didn\'t teach the industry anything. They introduced a lot of flash and
dazzle glitz full of bugs and set a record for volume of recalls, damaging
the acceptance of EVs if anything. The American public doesn\'t need
self-driving cars, most of them probably wouldn\'t trust it. Tesla is for
techno-geeks and a big waste of money for most people. The simpler, more
functional and reliable products from established industry is going to make
Tesla disappear.

The important issue is noting why folks LEAVE Tesla as a supplier.
Every driver who opted to make their NEXT $50K purchase from some
other vendor is sending a very obvious message: they were unhappy
with their previous $50K purchase. Especially if they only held
onto the vehicle for a few years.

SWMBO has been driving Acuras for 35 years. Each time she wants a
new car, we canvas *all* of the vendors to get a feel for their
offerings. Yet, she keeps coming back to Acura -- because she is
happy with her past experiences.

\"Joemobiles\" may be better, safer, more reliable, etc. (we don\'t know
that). But, they can also be *worse*. Her sticking with Acura is
an acknowledgement that they are \"good enough\" for her needs -- without
risking a \"bad investment\" in something else (that she\'ll have to
live with for years).

Folks who stick with brands say something about their choices.
As do folks who LEAVE brands!

We used to have a fair number of Teslas in the neighborhood. None
remain. (One family down the street had *4* Teslas!) But, want to
drive an electric Hummer? Or, mustang? Or a beemer? I\'m sure there
will be \'vettes in a couple of years...

 

[Ricky]

On Sunday, November 20, 2022 at 8:58:17 PM UTC-5, Don Y wrote:

On 11/20/2022 8:42 AM, Fred Bloggs wrote:
Tesla didn\'t teach the industry anything. They introduced a lot of flash and
dazzle glitz full of bugs and set a record for volume of recalls, damaging
the acceptance of EVs if anything. The American public doesn\'t need
self-driving cars, most of them probably wouldn\'t trust it. Tesla is for
techno-geeks and a big waste of money for most people. The simpler, more
functional and reliable products from established industry is going to make
Tesla disappear.
The important issue is noting why folks LEAVE Tesla as a supplier.
Every driver who opted to make their NEXT $50K purchase from some
other vendor is sending a very obvious message: they were unhappy
with their previous $50K purchase. Especially if they only held
onto the vehicle for a few years.

You are making an assumption that there were customers *leaving* Tesla. The market is growing hugely. The reports are only talking about Tesla\'s market share shrinking, not their actual sales numbers. This is inevitable as many more carmakers enter the BEV field. It\'s no different than when Chrysler had the minivan field to themselves and as others started also making minivans, Chrysler\'s market share diminished by percent, even though they continued to make sell more minivans.

SWMBO has been driving Acuras for 35 years. Each time she wants a
new car, we canvas *all* of the vendors to get a feel for their
offerings. Yet, she keeps coming back to Acura -- because she is
happy with her past experiences.

\"Joemobiles\" may be better, safer, more reliable, etc. (we don\'t know
that). But, they can also be *worse*. Her sticking with Acura is
an acknowledgement that they are \"good enough\" for her needs -- without
risking a \"bad investment\" in something else (that she\'ll have to
live with for years).

Folks who stick with brands say something about their choices.
As do folks who LEAVE brands!

We used to have a fair number of Teslas in the neighborhood. None
remain. (One family down the street had *4* Teslas!) But, want to
drive an electric Hummer? Or, mustang? Or a beemer? I\'m sure there
will be \'vettes in a couple of years...

Did you ask *why* they bought Teslas then sold them? Maybe they simply like to get the latest thing? It\'s silly to disparage a brand for no reason. But then this group is often much like the neighborhood laundromat. People talk just to hear themselves speak.

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