Stepper motors

[Periproct]

I'm setting up a small CNC mill to educate myself before taking the plunge
on a larger machine and I have a few questions about the stepper motors and
stepper driver boards.

Firstly, the motors have what looks like 7/0.2 wires attached and according
to the people I bought the machine from they are rated at 2 amps. Surely
that is very fine wire for so high a current.

Secondly, the driver boards have an potentiometer to adjust the current. My
simple mind says the motors will take the current they require or is this
some kind of current limiting.

Lastly, would it be sensible to adjust the boards to a slightly lower
current?
I've set all three boards to 2 amp and already killed one board.

 

[Tim Wescott]

On Mon, 29 Oct 2007 21:03:45 +0000, Periproct wrote:

I'm setting up a small CNC mill to educate myself before taking the plunge
on a larger machine and I have a few questions about the stepper motors and
stepper driver boards.

Firstly, the motors have what looks like 7/0.2 wires attached and according
to the people I bought the machine from they are rated at 2 amps. Surely
that is very fine wire for so high a current.

Secondly, the driver boards have an potentiometer to adjust the current. My
simple mind says the motors will take the current they require or is this
some kind of current limiting.

Lastly, would it be sensible to adjust the boards to a slightly lower
current?
I've set all three boards to 2 amp and already killed one board.

Stepper motors always need to have excess current, so that they have
torque when they need them. This is different from how a DC motor works,
and that's probably what you're thinking of.

As long as your steppers are working correctly you can turn down the
current -- you're setting the available torque, if you've got what you
need plus a safety factor then you're doing OK.

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[john jardine]

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I'm setting up a small CNC mill to educate myself before taking the plunge
on a larger machine and I have a few questions about the stepper motors
and
stepper driver boards.

Firstly, the motors have what looks like 7/0.2 wires attached and
according
to the people I bought the machine from they are rated at 2 amps. Surely
that is very fine wire for so high a current.

Not an unusual size. The stepper driver can still force 2 amps through it,
even with many ohms of internal/external wire resistance.

Secondly, the driver boards have an potentiometer to adjust the current.
My
simple mind says the motors will take the current they require or is this
some kind of current limiting.

It -would- take the current it needs, if only you supplied the motor with
it's normal working voltage, which may only be about 2Vdc.
I'll bet though that your controller is being fed from something like a
24-40Vdc supply.
The idea is for the drive PCB to force a fixed (usually marked on
nameplate), controlled current through the motor winding, that will not be
affected by connecting wire resistances, or the evil, increasing coil
impedance which is a big problem at faster and faster stepping rates.
One problem is, that as the driver PCB has so much voltage headroom to play
with, a careless setting of the current adjust pot will happily force say 2
Amps through a 1/4 amp motor. A minute later and the motor is toast.
The driver PCB doesn't mind what's on the end of it's wires.

Lastly, would it be sensible to adjust the boards to a slightly lower
current?
I've set all three boards to 2 amp and already killed one board.

Yes. Set the current lower. You can always wind it up later if more
performance is needed. I'd start at maybe 1/2 amp (or less) and see how it
goes.
At continuous full rated current, the motors bodies can run -very- hot. This
is most noticeable with the motors stopped or doing little work.
Because of this waste of power some drive boards allow entering a
low-current/sleep mode, if no steps have been sent for a couple of seconds.
This can be about 10%-50% of nominal current.

 

[Periproct]

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"Periproct" <Periproct@btinternet.com> wrote in message
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I'm setting up a small CNC mill to educate myself before taking the
plunge
on a larger machine and I have a few questions about the stepper motors
and
stepper driver boards.

Firstly, the motors have what looks like 7/0.2 wires attached and
according
to the people I bought the machine from they are rated at 2 amps. Surely
that is very fine wire for so high a current.


Not an unusual size. The stepper driver can still force 2 amps through it,
even with many ohms of internal/external wire resistance.


Secondly, the driver boards have an potentiometer to adjust the current.
My
simple mind says the motors will take the current they require or is this
some kind of current limiting.


It -would- take the current it needs, if only you supplied the motor with
it's normal working voltage, which may only be about 2Vdc.
I'll bet though that your controller is being fed from something like a
24-40Vdc supply.
The idea is for the drive PCB to force a fixed (usually marked on
nameplate), controlled current through the motor winding, that will not be
affected by connecting wire resistances, or the evil, increasing coil
impedance which is a big problem at faster and faster stepping rates.
One problem is, that as the driver PCB has so much voltage headroom to
play
with, a careless setting of the current adjust pot will happily force say
2
Amps through a 1/4 amp motor. A minute later and the motor is toast.
The driver PCB doesn't mind what's on the end of it's wires.


Lastly, would it be sensible to adjust the boards to a slightly lower
current?
I've set all three boards to 2 amp and already killed one board.


Yes. Set the current lower. You can always wind it up later if more
performance is needed. I'd start at maybe 1/2 amp (or less) and see how it
goes.
At continuous full rated current, the motors bodies can run -very- hot.
This
is most noticeable with the motors stopped or doing little work.
Because of this waste of power some drive boards allow entering a
low-current/sleep mode, if no steps have been sent for a couple of
seconds.
This can be about 10%-50% of nominal current.

Thanks to you both for your replies. I can certainly confirm that last bit.

I had to go out in a hurry and left the whole lot powered up for about three
hours and the motors were very hot when I got back. I'm now a lot more
careful about turning everything off.
I'll also wind the current down and see how I get on.
Thanks again