Stacking MOSFETs

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Is there a canonical topology to stack them in series such that one gets
a switch with a higher Vds rating but maintain approximately the same
switching speed?
 
bitrex wrote...
Is there a canonical topology to stack them in series
such that one gets a switch with a higher Vds rating
but maintain approximately the same switching speed?

Yes, each one needs its own {isolated} high-speed high-
current gate driver. Usually some effort is put into
matching the gate-driver delays, but MOSFETs don't mind
avalanche breakdown and are tolerant of using this to
protect themselves for a short time. But since you're
talking about speed, one danger involves dealing with
the voltages developed from high dI/dt.


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Thanks,
- Win
 
On Friday, March 6, 2020 at 4:16:50 PM UTC-5, George Herold wrote:
On Friday, March 6, 2020 at 3:48:43 PM UTC-5, John Larkin wrote:
On Fri, 6 Mar 2020 14:24:28 -0500, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

Is there a canonical topology to stack them in series such that one gets
a switch with a higher Vds rating but maintain approximately the same
switching speed?

Win is right, but you might also consider silicon carbide fets. How
much total voltage do you need? Can the switch sink to ground? How
fast? How often?

Sometimes one can arrange to drive only the lower, grounded-source fet
in a string.
I vaguely remember a circuit in AoE3 like that... with resistors and /or
zeners to turn on the other gates? But not as fast I'd guess.

George H.
Figure 9.111, pg.697
GH
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picosecond timing precision measurement

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On Fri, 6 Mar 2020 14:24:28 -0500, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

Is there a canonical topology to stack them in series such that one gets
a switch with a higher Vds rating but maintain approximately the same
switching speed?

Win is right, but you might also consider silicon carbide fets. How
much total voltage do you need? Can the switch sink to ground? How
fast? How often?

Sometimes one can arrange to drive only the lower, grounded-source fet
in a string.


--

John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc
picosecond timing precision measurement

jlarkin att highlandtechnology dott com
http://www.highlandtechnology.com
 
On Friday, March 6, 2020 at 3:48:43 PM UTC-5, John Larkin wrote:
On Fri, 6 Mar 2020 14:24:28 -0500, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

Is there a canonical topology to stack them in series such that one gets
a switch with a higher Vds rating but maintain approximately the same
switching speed?

Win is right, but you might also consider silicon carbide fets. How
much total voltage do you need? Can the switch sink to ground? How
fast? How often?

Sometimes one can arrange to drive only the lower, grounded-source fet
in a string.
I vaguely remember a circuit in AoE3 like that... with resistors and /or
zeners to turn on the other gates? But not as fast I'd guess.

George H.
--

John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc
picosecond timing precision measurement

jlarkin att highlandtechnology dott com
http://www.highlandtechnology.com
 
On 3/6/20 3:48 PM, John Larkin wrote:
On Fri, 6 Mar 2020 14:24:28 -0500, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

Is there a canonical topology to stack them in series such that one gets
a switch with a higher Vds rating but maintain approximately the same
switching speed?

Win is right, but you might also consider silicon carbide fets. How
much total voltage do you need? Can the switch sink to ground? How
fast? How often?

I was mostly hoping for an expedient, temporary solution as I need to
test a circuit that requires 100 volt-rated FETs but I only got 50-volts
in stock and I'm waiting on a shipment, and I'm impatient. the drive
frequency is only about 1 MHz switching under an amp.

Sometimes one can arrange to drive only the lower, grounded-source fet
in a string.

In this case that might be an option to get on with business for a while.
 
On Fri, 6 Mar 2020 13:26:39 -0800 (PST), George Herold
<ggherold@gmail.com> wrote:

On Friday, March 6, 2020 at 4:16:50 PM UTC-5, George Herold wrote:
On Friday, March 6, 2020 at 3:48:43 PM UTC-5, John Larkin wrote:
On Fri, 6 Mar 2020 14:24:28 -0500, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

Is there a canonical topology to stack them in series such that one gets
a switch with a higher Vds rating but maintain approximately the same
switching speed?

Win is right, but you might also consider silicon carbide fets. How
much total voltage do you need? Can the switch sink to ground? How
fast? How often?

Sometimes one can arrange to drive only the lower, grounded-source fet
in a string.
I vaguely remember a circuit in AoE3 like that... with resistors and /or
zeners to turn on the other gates? But not as fast I'd guess.

George H.
Figure 9.111, pg.697

That could be made pretty fast, at least in the pull-down direction.


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John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc
picosecond timing precision measurement

jlarkin att highlandtechnology dott com
http://www.highlandtechnology.com
 
bitrex wrote...
... I only got 50-volts in stock ...

What, only 50-volt MOSFETs? There's a whole
world out there, up to 4kV and more!


--
Thanks,
- Win
 
bitrex wrote...
I was mostly hoping for an expedient, temporary solution
as I need to test a circuit that requires 100 volt-rated
FETs but I only got 50-volts in stock ...

Isolated high-voltage drivers require special circuits,
usually involving transformer-powered circuit fragments.
But at voltages below 600V, you can use high-side driver
ICs, like Fig 3x.108, Table 3x.5. Drive sets of stacked
MOSFETs. Probably none of those in stock either, huh?


--
Thanks,
- Win
 
On 3/6/20 9:07 PM, Winfield Hill wrote:
bitrex wrote...

I was mostly hoping for an expedient, temporary solution
as I need to test a circuit that requires 100 volt-rated
FETs but I only got 50-volts in stock ...

Isolated high-voltage drivers require special circuits,
usually involving transformer-powered circuit fragments.
But at voltages below 600V, you can use high-side driver
ICs, like Fig 3x.108, Table 3x.5. Drive sets of stacked
MOSFETs. Probably none of those in stock either, huh?

Sigh....
 
I was mostly hoping for an expedient, temporary solution
as I need to test a circuit that requires 100 volt-rated
FETs but I only got 50-volts in stock ...

Try two series FETs, with the high-side FET shorted gate-source. Then drive the low-side FET. The high-side will avalanche when it sees the full 100V. Will this work? I doubt it. But at a glance I can't see why not...
 
bitrex wrote:

Is there a canonical topology to stack them in series such that one gets
a switch with a higher Vds rating but maintain approximately the same
switching speed?

If the duty cycle is reasonably far from 1 and bipolar drive is not a
problem: Ze Transformah...

Best regards, Piotr
 
bitrex wrote:

Is there a canonical topology to stack them in series such that one gets
a switch with a higher Vds rating but maintain approximately the same
switching speed?

If the duty cycle is reasonably far from 1 and bipolar drive is not a
problem: Ze Transformah...

Best regards, Piotr
 
On 06/03/2020 19:24, bitrex wrote:
Is there a canonical topology to stack them in series such that one gets
a switch with a higher Vds rating but maintain approximately the same
switching speed?

Low voltage NMOS and high voltage SiC JFET in cascode configuration?

https://unitedsic.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/USCi_AN0004-Cascode-Configuration-Eases-Challenges-of-Applying-SiC-JFETs.pdf

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Cheers
Clive
 
https://pdfslide.net/documents/nanosecond-square-high-voltage-pulse-generator-for-electro-optic-switch.html
 
sea moss wrote...
I was mostly hoping for an expedient, temporary solution
as I need to test a circuit that requires 100 volt-rated
FETs but I only got 50-volts in stock ...

Try two series FETs, with the high-side FET shorted gate-source.
Then drive the low-side FET. The high-side will avalanche when
it sees the full 100V. Will this work? I doubt it. But at a
glance I can't see why not...

The OFF condition should be OK. But for the ON condition the
high-side FET will remain off, except it may avalanche at some
voltage. At any rate, the output won't be pulled down to GND.


--
Thanks,
- Win
 
plastcontrol.ru@gmail.com wrote...
https://pdfslide.net/documents/nanosecond-square-high-voltage-pulse-generator-for-electro-optic-switch.html

That circuit looks good. Nice find!

The secret is the gate capacitors to GND, with zener
protection diodes for the FETs Vgs. If there's no load
for pullup, a high-side switch will also be required.
But it's not clear why the high-side switch can't use
the same trick as the low side, employing only one
isolated gate drive on the bottom FET of the stack.


--
Thanks,
- Win
 
пятница, 6 марта 2020 г., 22:24:34 UTC+3 пользователь bitrex написал:
Is there a canonical topology to stack them in series such that one gets
a switch with a higher Vds rating but maintain approximately the same
switching speed?

https://www.hilarispublisher.com/open-access/an-electric-fence-energizer-based-on-marx-generator-2332-0796-1000204.pdf

http://energypulsesystems.pt/eps/rd/
 
On Saturday, March 7, 2020 at 11:09:52 AM UTC-5, Winfield Hill wrote:
plastcontrol.ru@gmail.com wrote...

https://pdfslide.net/documents/nanosecond-square-high-voltage-pulse-generator-for-electro-optic-switch.html

That circuit looks good. Nice find!

Look at AoE3 figure 9.111, Maybe Paul put this one in there?

GH.
The secret is the gate capacitors to GND, with zener
protection diodes for the FETs Vgs. If there's no load
for pullup, a high-side switch will also be required.
But it's not clear why the high-side switch can't use
the same trick as the low side, employing only one
isolated gate drive on the bottom FET of the stack.


--
Thanks,
- Win
 
George Herold wrote...
On Saturday, March 7, 2020, Winfield Hill wrote:
plastcontrol.ru@gmail.com wrote...

https://pdfslide.net/documents/nanosecond-square-high-voltage-pulse-generator-for-electro-optic-switch.html

That circuit looks good. Nice find!

Look at AoE3 figure 9.111, Maybe Paul put this one in there?

The secret is the gate capacitors to GND, with zener
protection diodes for the FETs Vgs. If there's no load
for pullup, a high-side switch will also be required.
But it's not clear why the high-side switch can't use
the same trick as the low side, employing only one
isolated gate drive on the bottom FET of the stack.

No, I put that one in there, but I'm not sure they'll work
the same. Our caps were meant to help equalize Vds drops,
whereas the paper's circuit, with a separate cap to ground
for each MOSFET's gate, insures that it'll be aggressively
turned on if its source is pulled down. Anyway, it's a
quick easy circuit, nicely satisfying the O.P.'s request.


--
Thanks,
- Win
 

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