Soldering 550m of copper wire

John Fields · Jun 22, 2013

On Fri, 21 Jun 2013 15:15:20 +1000, "Phil Allison" <phil_a@tpg.com.au>
wrote:

"John Fields"
"Phil Allison"

"Jasen Bleats"

Goran wrote:

I have to solder 550 - 600m of 1mm copper wire.
Wire must be completely covered with solder.

step one: order 600m of tinned copper wire.

done!

** Err - tin plating and solder coating are different things.

---
True, but "tinned" copper wire isn't tin plated, it's coated with
solder.

** "Tinned copper wire" sold as solid wire on a reel is ** tin plated **.

Do try to follow the context - fuckhead.

---
You're right, and you could have politely corrected my error without
rancor, but instead chose to take the low road.

Why?

--
JF

Ian Field · Jun 22, 2013

"John Fields" <jfields@austininstruments.com> wrote in message
news:47q9s8hgmu084li6fo6lmf8k561t2qr20j@4ax.com...

On Fri, 21 Jun 2013 15:15:20 +1000, "Phil Allison" <phil_a@tpg.com.au
wrote:

"John Fields"
"Phil Allison"

"Jasen Bleats"

Goran wrote:

I have to solder 550 - 600m of 1mm copper wire.
Wire must be completely covered with solder.

step one: order 600m of tinned copper wire.

done!

** Err - tin plating and solder coating are different things.

---
True, but "tinned" copper wire isn't tin plated, it's coated with
solder.

** "Tinned copper wire" sold as solid wire on a reel is ** tin plated **.

Do try to follow the context - fuckhead.

---
You're right, and you could have politely corrected my error without
rancor, but instead chose to take the low road.

Why?

You have that effect on people!

John Fields · Jun 22, 2013

On Fri, 21 Jun 2013 16:29:24 +0100, "Ian Field"
<gangprobing.alien@ntlworld.com> wrote:

A company I worked for made an ultrasonic solder dip for soldering
aluminium - allegedly didn't require any flux.

---
What was in the dip?

--
JF

John Fields · Jun 22, 2013

On Fri, 21 Jun 2013 16:32:21 +0100, "Ian Field"
<gangprobing.alien@ntlworld.com> wrote:

"John Fields" <jfields@austininstruments.com> wrote in message
news:mrs6s8hrc2kmfps4cc8t8bqv5hkqrqbahv@4ax.com...
On Thu, 20 Jun 2013 21:57:48 +0100, "Ian Field"
gangprobing.alien@ntlworld.com> wrote:

"default" <none@noname.net> wrote in message
news:g9p5s8dt3698f3qg9cgv07jqa5i4f7ps6e@4ax.com...
On Wed, 19 Jun 2013 09:35:09 +0200, Goran <goran.balajic@gmail.com
wrote:

I have to solder 550 - 600m of 1mm copper wire.
Wire must be completely covered with solder.

It will take some time to do this on regular basis ( with soldering iron
) so i was thinking to make some kind of slot in some aluminium housing
and melt the lead alloy in it.

Then i can put the wire in it and draw it slowly throe this slot.
Additionally i can set some stepper motor on the other side to
automatize the whole process.

1.) Could this be done on this way ?

Yes - did something similar with hot melt glue and ordinary magnet
wire.

But you'd have to watch out for corrosion or possibly run the wire
through a bath of flux before hitting the solder.

2.) Would this work with iron wire ?

Iron doesn't "take" solder well - or not with any flux I know of...

There are some strong acids used in the building trade that seem to take
over where the strongest soldering fluxes leave off.

---
Which acid, then, would render a heated iron surface attractive to
lead
---

I had a gallon can of acid for darkening brickwork, unfortunately the can
got damaged laying around in the shed and I rescued the surviving contents
into a dishwash detergent bottle - so I don't have the product name or
make.

---
Nor, then, since the can got damaged, can you name the constitution of
its surviving contents.

And you use that melange for electronic work?

Tsk, tsk, tsk.
---

The acid can also strip the iron plating off the soldering bit, so I use
it
only when I have to and only with a heavily tinned bit.

---
If you have a heavily tinned bit and the acid reacts only against
iron, then how's the acid going to get to the iron?

As usual your question is based on flawed premise and ignorant of context.

---
The context was, ostensibly, that you have this mysterious substance
which was designed to be used for brackening blick and is now -
because of damage to its original container - even more mysterious and
is being sequestered in a dishwasher detergent bottle.

The premise is that you're using it for some mysterious purpose and
that the heavily tinned surface of the iron will keep it from
attacking the iron underlay.

I think most of the rest of us use a simple water-damped sponge to get
rid of the grunge, so what's the purpose of your magical mystery pour?

--
JF

Ian Field · Jun 22, 2013

"John Fields" <jfields@austininstruments.com> wrote in message
news:d53cs8dvhg3h55c516kgjce7bl0l1aaju6@4ax.com...

On Fri, 21 Jun 2013 16:32:21 +0100, "Ian Field"
gangprobing.alien@ntlworld.com> wrote:

"John Fields" <jfields@austininstruments.com> wrote in message
news:mrs6s8hrc2kmfps4cc8t8bqv5hkqrqbahv@4ax.com...
On Thu, 20 Jun 2013 21:57:48 +0100, "Ian Field"
gangprobing.alien@ntlworld.com> wrote:

"default" <none@noname.net> wrote in message
news:g9p5s8dt3698f3qg9cgv07jqa5i4f7ps6e@4ax.com...
On Wed, 19 Jun 2013 09:35:09 +0200, Goran <goran.balajic@gmail.com
wrote:

I have to solder 550 - 600m of 1mm copper wire.
Wire must be completely covered with solder.

It will take some time to do this on regular basis ( with soldering
iron
) so i was thinking to make some kind of slot in some aluminium
housing
and melt the lead alloy in it.

Then i can put the wire in it and draw it slowly throe this slot.
Additionally i can set some stepper motor on the other side to
automatize the whole process.

1.) Could this be done on this way ?

Yes - did something similar with hot melt glue and ordinary magnet
wire.

But you'd have to watch out for corrosion or possibly run the wire
through a bath of flux before hitting the solder.

2.) Would this work with iron wire ?

Iron doesn't "take" solder well - or not with any flux I know of...

There are some strong acids used in the building trade that seem to take
over where the strongest soldering fluxes leave off.

---
Which acid, then, would render a heated iron surface attractive to
lead
---

I had a gallon can of acid for darkening brickwork, unfortunately the
can
got damaged laying around in the shed and I rescued the surviving
contents
into a dishwash detergent bottle - so I don't have the product name or
make.

---
Nor, then, since the can got damaged, can you name the constitution of
its surviving contents.

And you use that melange for electronic work?

Tsk, tsk, tsk.
---

The acid can also strip the iron plating off the soldering bit, so I use
it
only when I have to and only with a heavily tinned bit.

---
If you have a heavily tinned bit and the acid reacts only against
iron, then how's the acid going to get to the iron?

As usual your question is based on flawed premise and ignorant of context.

---
The context was, ostensibly, that you have this mysterious substance
which was designed to be used for brackening blick and is now -
because of damage to its original container - even more mysterious and
is being sequestered in a dishwasher detergent bottle.

The premise is that you're using it for some mysterious purpose and
that the heavily tinned surface of the iron will keep it from
attacking the iron underlay.

Its only natural you'd get confused - but you've really tangled yourself up
this time!

John Fields · Jun 22, 2013

On Sat, 22 Jun 2013 15:28:28 +0100, "Ian Field"
<gangprobing.alien@ntlworld.com> wrote:

"John Fields" <jfields@austininstruments.com> wrote in message
news:47q9s8hgmu084li6fo6lmf8k561t2qr20j@4ax.com...
On Fri, 21 Jun 2013 15:15:20 +1000, "Phil Allison" <phil_a@tpg.com.au
wrote:

"John Fields"
"Phil Allison"

"Jasen Bleats"

Goran wrote:

I have to solder 550 - 600m of 1mm copper wire.
Wire must be completely covered with solder.

step one: order 600m of tinned copper wire.

done!

** Err - tin plating and solder coating are different things.

---
True, but "tinned" copper wire isn't tin plated, it's coated with
solder.

** "Tinned copper wire" sold as solid wire on a reel is ** tin plated **.

Do try to follow the context - fuckhead.

---
You're right, and you could have politely corrected my error without
rancor, but instead chose to take the low road.

Why?

You have that effect on people!

---
From your myopic point of view, that's true.

--
JF

John Fields · Jun 22, 2013

On Sat, 22 Jun 2013 22:14:55 +0100, "Ian Field"
<gangprobing.alien@ntlworld.com> wrote:

Its only natural you'd get confused - but you've really tangled yourself up
this time!

---
I love it!

You pretend to win, but present no evidence.

--
JF

Jim Thompson · Jun 22, 2013

On Sat, 22 Jun 2013 16:30:12 -0500, John Fields
<jfields@austininstruments.com> wrote:

On Sat, 22 Jun 2013 22:14:55 +0100, "Ian Field"
gangprobing.alien@ntlworld.com> wrote:

Its only natural you'd get confused - but you've really tangled yourself up
this time!

---
I love it!

You pretend to win, but present no evidence.

Jim Thompson · Jun 22, 2013

On Sat, 22 Jun 2013 16:10:10 -0500, John Fields
<jfields@austininstruments.com> wrote:

On Fri, 21 Jun 2013 16:32:21 +0100, "Ian Field"
gangprobing.alien@ntlworld.com> wrote:

"John Fields" <jfields@austininstruments.com> wrote in message
news:mrs6s8hrc2kmfps4cc8t8bqv5hkqrqbahv@4ax.com...
On Thu, 20 Jun 2013 21:57:48 +0100, "Ian Field"
gangprobing.alien@ntlworld.com> wrote:

"default" <none@noname.net> wrote in message
news:g9p5s8dt3698f3qg9cgv07jqa5i4f7ps6e@4ax.com...
On Wed, 19 Jun 2013 09:35:09 +0200, Goran <goran.balajic@gmail.com
wrote:

I have to solder 550 - 600m of 1mm copper wire.
Wire must be completely covered with solder.

It will take some time to do this on regular basis ( with soldering iron
) so i was thinking to make some kind of slot in some aluminium housing
and melt the lead alloy in it.

Then i can put the wire in it and draw it slowly throe this slot.
Additionally i can set some stepper motor on the other side to
automatize the whole process.

1.) Could this be done on this way ?

Yes - did something similar with hot melt glue and ordinary magnet
wire.

But you'd have to watch out for corrosion or possibly run the wire
through a bath of flux before hitting the solder.

2.) Would this work with iron wire ?

Iron doesn't "take" solder well - or not with any flux I know of...

There are some strong acids used in the building trade that seem to take
over where the strongest soldering fluxes leave off.

---
Which acid, then, would render a heated iron surface attractive to
lead
---

I had a gallon can of acid for darkening brickwork, unfortunately the can
got damaged laying around in the shed and I rescued the surviving contents
into a dishwash detergent bottle - so I don't have the product name or
make.

---
Nor, then, since the can got damaged, can you name the constitution of
its surviving contents.

And you use that melange for electronic work?

Tsk, tsk, tsk.
---

The acid can also strip the iron plating off the soldering bit, so I use
it
only when I have to and only with a heavily tinned bit.

---
If you have a heavily tinned bit and the acid reacts only against
iron, then how's the acid going to get to the iron?

As usual your question is based on flawed premise and ignorant of context.

---
The context was, ostensibly, that you have this mysterious substance
which was designed to be used for brackening blick and is now -
because of damage to its original container - even more mysterious and
is being sequestered in a dishwasher detergent bottle.

The premise is that you're using it for some mysterious purpose and
that the heavily tinned surface of the iron will keep it from
attacking the iron underlay.

I think most of the rest of us use a simple water-damped sponge to get
rid of the grunge, so what's the purpose of your magical mystery pour?

Butt-buddy grease ?:-}

...Jim Thompson
--
| James E.Thompson | mens |
| Analog Innovations | et |
| Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus |
| San Tan Valley, AZ 85142 Skype: Contacts Only | |
| Voice

Goran · Jun 23, 2013

I try to make some soldering pot with camping gas stove.
I melted lead and soldering wire (40/60) and am guessing that final
ratio is around 70 % lead 30 % tin.

Then i took copper wire mesh ( that i cleaned before ) i put this into
pot. I grease it before i put it in the pot.

Well, it looks like am doing something wrong because the copper was just
partly covered with lead.

Rest of it looks like it was oxidized.

What am doing wrong ?

Ian Field · Jun 23, 2013

"Goran" <goran.balajic@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:kq6sbc$1lr$1@l01news1.ot.hr...

I try to make some soldering pot with camping gas stove.
I melted lead and soldering wire (40/60) and am guessing that final ratio
is around 70 % lead 30 % tin.

Then i took copper wire mesh ( that i cleaned before ) i put this into
pot. I grease it before i put it in the pot.

Well, it looks like am doing something wrong because the copper was just
partly covered with lead.

Rest of it looks like it was oxidized.

What am doing wrong ?

The wire needs to be pretty clean - even for the more aggressive fluxes to
work.

You could try this:

http://www.solderconnection.com/prod_detail.php?product_id=1185

There are other more aggressive chemicals out there, but finding suitable
ones is often more luck than judgement.

John Fields · Jun 23, 2013

On Sun, 23 Jun 2013 15:14:20 +0200, Goran <goran.balajic@gmail.com>
wrote:

I try to make some soldering pot with camping gas stove.
I melted lead and soldering wire (40/60) and am guessing that final
ratio is around 70 % lead 30 % tin.

Then i took copper wire mesh ( that i cleaned before ) i put this into
pot. I grease it before i put it in the pot.

Well, it looks like am doing something wrong because the copper was just
partly covered with lead.

Rest of it looks like it was oxidized.

What am doing wrong ?

---
Grease?

--
JF

John Fields · Jun 23, 2013

On Sun, 23 Jun 2013 16:23:57 +0100, "Ian Field"
<gangprobing.alien@ntlworld.com> wrote:

"Goran" <goran.balajic@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:kq6sbc$1lr$1@l01news1.ot.hr...
I try to make some soldering pot with camping gas stove.
I melted lead and soldering wire (40/60) and am guessing that final ratio
is around 70 % lead 30 % tin.

Then i took copper wire mesh ( that i cleaned before ) i put this into
pot. I grease it before i put it in the pot.

Well, it looks like am doing something wrong because the copper was just
partly covered with lead.

Rest of it looks like it was oxidized.

What am doing wrong ?

The wire needs to be pretty clean - even for the more aggressive fluxes to
work.

You could try this:

http://www.solderconnection.com/prod_detail.php?product_id=1185

There are other more aggressive chemicals out there, but finding suitable
ones is often more luck than judgement.

---
No doubt a testimonial to your career in "electronics".

--
JF

John Fields · Jun 23, 2013

On Sun, 23 Jun 2013 15:14:20 +0200, Goran <goran.balajic@gmail.com>
wrote:

I try to make some soldering pot with camping gas stove.
I melted lead and soldering wire (40/60) and am guessing that final
ratio is around 70 % lead 30 % tin.

Then i took copper wire mesh ( that i cleaned before ) i put this into
pot. I grease it before i put it in the pot.

Well, it looks like am doing something wrong because the copper was just
partly covered with lead.

Rest of it looks like it was oxidized.

What am doing wrong ?

---
For the flux to clean the wire, the wire and the flux on it must be
heated to a high enough temperature for the oxides present on the
surface of the wire to be absorbed/dispersed by the flux _before_ the
wire goes into the solder bath.

--
JF

Ian Field · Jun 23, 2013

"John Fields" <jfields@austininstruments.com> wrote in message
news:2ages8tm9p157e57v7apqov1l4r0qmk8ih@4ax.com...

On Sun, 23 Jun 2013 15:14:20 +0200, Goran <goran.balajic@gmail.com
wrote:

I try to make some soldering pot with camping gas stove.
I melted lead and soldering wire (40/60) and am guessing that final
ratio is around 70 % lead 30 % tin.

Then i took copper wire mesh ( that i cleaned before ) i put this into
pot. I grease it before i put it in the pot.

Well, it looks like am doing something wrong because the copper was just
partly covered with lead.

Rest of it looks like it was oxidized.

What am doing wrong ?

---
Grease?

That's about your level!

Ian Field · Jun 23, 2013

"John Fields" <jfields@austininstruments.com> wrote in message
news:tjges891m1r4bd7ndqmtbuj2i9rf19r0eb@4ax.com...

On Sun, 23 Jun 2013 16:23:57 +0100, "Ian Field"
gangprobing.alien@ntlworld.com> wrote:

"Goran" <goran.balajic@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:kq6sbc$1lr$1@l01news1.ot.hr...
I try to make some soldering pot with camping gas stove.
I melted lead and soldering wire (40/60) and am guessing that final
ratio
is around 70 % lead 30 % tin.

Then i took copper wire mesh ( that i cleaned before ) i put this into
pot. I grease it before i put it in the pot.

Well, it looks like am doing something wrong because the copper was just
partly covered with lead.

Rest of it looks like it was oxidized.

What am doing wrong ?

The wire needs to be pretty clean - even for the more aggressive fluxes to
work.

You could try this:

http://www.solderconnection.com/prod_detail.php?product_id=1185

There are other more aggressive chemicals out there, but finding suitable
ones is often more luck than judgement.

---
No doubt a testimonial to your career in "electronics".

Learning by doing beats learning by rote every time.

Jamie · Jun 24, 2013

Goran wrote:

I try to make some soldering pot with camping gas stove.
I melted lead and soldering wire (40/60) and am guessing that final
ratio is around 70 % lead 30 % tin.

Then i took copper wire mesh ( that i cleaned before ) i put this into
pot. I grease it before i put it in the pot.

Well, it looks like am doing something wrong because the copper was just
partly covered with lead.

Rest of it looks like it was oxidized.

What am doing wrong ?

Get some pipe acid, the stuff used to wet the pipes before soldering.

it's clear and usually comes in a squirt bottle.. Dip the copper in
that first..
You obviously are working with old copper.

Jamie

Michael Black · Jun 24, 2013

On Sun, 23 Jun 2013, Jamie wrote:

Goran wrote:
I try to make some soldering pot with camping gas stove.
I melted lead and soldering wire (40/60) and am guessing that final ratio
is around 70 % lead 30 % tin.

Then i took copper wire mesh ( that i cleaned before ) i put this into pot.
I grease it before i put it in the pot.

Well, it looks like am doing something wrong because the copper was just
partly covered with lead.

Rest of it looks like it was oxidized.

What am doing wrong ?

Get some pipe acid, the stuff used to wet the pipes before soldering.
it's clear and usually comes in a squirt bottle.. Dip the copper in
that first..
You obviously are working with old copper.

Is that stuff corrosive? I remember warnings in the magazines where

people had used plumbing flux, only to learn it was corrosive and the
wrong thing for electronic soldering.

Michael

Michael Black · Jun 24, 2013

On Sun, 23 Jun 2013, John Fields wrote:

On Sun, 23 Jun 2013 15:14:20 +0200, Goran <goran.balajic@gmail.com
wrote:

I try to make some soldering pot with camping gas stove.
I melted lead and soldering wire (40/60) and am guessing that final
ratio is around 70 % lead 30 % tin.

Then i took copper wire mesh ( that i cleaned before ) i put this into
pot. I grease it before i put it in the pot.

Well, it looks like am doing something wrong because the copper was just
partly covered with lead.

Rest of it looks like it was oxidized.

What am doing wrong ?

---
Grease?

If you've got a deep fryer you need the grease.

Michael

Fred Abse · Jun 28, 2013

On Wed, 19 Jun 2013 19:30:56 -0700, John Larkin wrote:

Probably an acid bath first, to get the oxides off, then a flux dip. After
the solder bath, some stripper to remove the excess. A big deal.

Very big deal.

I've seen it done. Freshly drawn wire after vacuum annealing run through
a hot acid flux bath, followed by a cotton wiper, followed by a pure tin
bath, then a final water-wet cotton wiper, then spooled. All at 200 feet
per minute.

After a few minutes, the acid fumes get to your eyes.

The guys working in the "tinner" were all in their twenties and thirties,
and looked about sixty.

An interesting place. Wherever you stood in the plant, you could see a
thousand tons of copper in various forms. That was back in the day when
telcos were using the stuff as fast as it was being dug out of the ground.

--
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence
over public relations, for nature cannot be fooled."
(Richard Feynman)

Soldering 550m of copper wire

John Fields

Guest

Ian Field

Guest

John Fields

Guest

John Fields

Guest

Ian Field

Guest

John Fields

Guest

John Fields

Guest

Jim Thompson

Guest

Jim Thompson

Guest

Goran

Guest

Ian Field

Guest

John Fields

Guest

John Fields

Guest

John Fields

Guest

Ian Field

Guest

Ian Field

Guest

Jamie

Guest

Michael Black

Guest

Michael Black

Guest

Fred Abse

Guest

Log in

Welcome to EDABoard.com

Sponsor