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Andy K

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I having been using Oatey solder paste when soldering large diameter wires.
I know it's designed for copper pipes.


Is there something better?

Thanks,
Andy
 
On 01/06/2018 12:37 AM, Andy K wrote:
I having been using Oatey solder paste when soldering large diameter wires.
I know it's designed for copper pipes.


Is there something better?

Thanks,
Andy

I use MG Chemicals #835, which is an RA (rosin, activated) flux. Works
great--somewhat more aggressive than ordinary RMA (rosin, mildly
activated), but noncorrosive (unlike plumbing flux).

You can also get flux pens, which are pretty convenient.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

--
Dr Philip C D Hobbs
Principal Consultant
ElectroOptical Innovations LLC / Hobbs ElectroOptics
Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics
Briarcliff Manor NY 10510

http://electrooptical.net
https://hobbs-eo.com
 
On Saturday, January 6, 2018 at 1:22:45 PM UTC-6, Phil Hobbs wrote:
On 01/06/2018 12:37 AM, Andy K wrote:
I having been using Oatey solder paste when soldering large diameter wires.
I know it's designed for copper pipes.


Is there something better?

Thanks,
Andy


I use MG Chemicals #835, which is an RA (rosin, activated) flux. Works
great--somewhat more aggressive than ordinary RMA (rosin, mildly
activated), but noncorrosive (unlike plumbing flux).

You can also get flux pens, which are pretty convenient.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

--
Dr Philip C D Hobbs
Principal Consultant
ElectroOptical Innovations LLC / Hobbs ElectroOptics
Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics
Briarcliff Manor NY 10510

http://electrooptical.net
https://hobbs-eo.com

Thanks.

Andy
 
On Saturday, January 6, 2018 at 12:37:47 AM UTC-5, Andy K wrote:
I having been using Oatey solder paste when soldering large diameter wires.
I know it's designed for copper pipes.


Is there something better?

Thanks,
Andy

Ughh, OK I did that when I was starting out, and promptly
was 'talked to' by an older tech. The problem with the acid
pipe solder is you have to get it all off, with water or something,
(just like when you do copper pipe plumbing.) otherwise it corrodes
over time and your pcb/circuit turns into this ugly green thing.

As Phil said get some rosin core solder/flux. You can also buy
rosin flux in a little jar. (snuff box size.) I use that for
tinning bigger wires.

George H.
 
On Saturday, January 6, 2018 at 2:05:38 PM UTC-6, George Herold wrote:
On Saturday, January 6, 2018 at 12:37:47 AM UTC-5, Andy K wrote:
I having been using Oatey solder paste when soldering large diameter wires.
I know it's designed for copper pipes.


Is there something better?

Thanks,
Andy

Ughh, OK I did that when I was starting out, and promptly
was 'talked to' by an older tech. The problem with the acid
pipe solder is you have to get it all off, with water or something,
(just like when you do copper pipe plumbing.) otherwise it corrodes
over time and your pcb/circuit turns into this ugly green thing.

As Phil said get some rosin core solder/flux. You can also buy
rosin flux in a little jar. (snuff box size.) I use that for
tinning bigger wires.

George H.

Ok, that makes sense.

I only used it on large gauge wires and never on circuit boards.

Andy
 
Andy K wrote:
I having been using Oatey solder paste when soldering large diameter wires.
I know it's designed for copper pipes.


Is there something better?

** Bet you use a flame torch too.



..... Phil
 
On Sunday, January 7, 2018 at 2:51:23 AM UTC-6, Phil Allison wrote:
Andy K wrote:

I having been using Oatey solder paste when soldering large diameter wires.
I know it's designed for copper pipes.


Is there something better?



** Bet you use a flame torch too.



.... Phil

Soldering iron.
 
"Andy K" <andrewkennedy775@gmail.com> wrote in message
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On Saturday, January 6, 2018 at 2:05:38 PM UTC-6, George Herold wrote:
On Saturday, January 6, 2018 at 12:37:47 AM UTC-5, Andy K wrote:
I having been using Oatey solder paste when soldering large diameter
wires.
I know it's designed for copper pipes.


Is there something better?

Thanks,
Andy

Ughh, OK I did that when I was starting out, and promptly
was 'talked to' by an older tech. The problem with the acid
pipe solder is you have to get it all off, with water or something,
(just like when you do copper pipe plumbing.) otherwise it corrodes
over time and your pcb/circuit turns into this ugly green thing.

As Phil said get some rosin core solder/flux. You can also buy
rosin flux in a little jar. (snuff box size.) I use that for
tinning bigger wires.

George H.

Ok, that makes sense.

I only used it on large gauge wires and never on circuit boards.

Fluxite brand paste is less aggressive than plumber's flux, but its grease
based and cant be washed off with water.

Its a popular product, and corrosion isn't a huge problem.
 
On Sunday, January 7, 2018 at 12:21:58 PM UTC-6, Ian Field wrote:
"Andy K" <andrewkennedy775@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:ec18876d-124e-41cd-8b33-bc56195ecfdc@googlegroups.com...
On Saturday, January 6, 2018 at 2:05:38 PM UTC-6, George Herold wrote:
On Saturday, January 6, 2018 at 12:37:47 AM UTC-5, Andy K wrote:
I having been using Oatey solder paste when soldering large diameter
wires.
I know it's designed for copper pipes.


Is there something better?

Thanks,
Andy

Ughh, OK I did that when I was starting out, and promptly
was 'talked to' by an older tech. The problem with the acid
pipe solder is you have to get it all off, with water or something,
(just like when you do copper pipe plumbing.) otherwise it corrodes
over time and your pcb/circuit turns into this ugly green thing.

As Phil said get some rosin core solder/flux. You can also buy
rosin flux in a little jar. (snuff box size.) I use that for
tinning bigger wires.

George H.

Ok, that makes sense.

I only used it on large gauge wires and never on circuit boards.

Fluxite brand paste is less aggressive than plumber's flux, but its grease
based and cant be washed off with water.

Its a popular product, and corrosion isn't a huge problem.

thanks.
 
On Sunday, January 7, 2018 at 1:21:58 PM UTC-5, Ian Field wrote:
"Andy K" <andrewkennedy775@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:ec18876d-124e-41cd-8b33-bc56195ecfdc@googlegroups.com...
On Saturday, January 6, 2018 at 2:05:38 PM UTC-6, George Herold wrote:
On Saturday, January 6, 2018 at 12:37:47 AM UTC-5, Andy K wrote:
I having been using Oatey solder paste when soldering large diameter
wires.
I know it's designed for copper pipes.


Is there something better?

Thanks,
Andy

Ughh, OK I did that when I was starting out, and promptly
was 'talked to' by an older tech. The problem with the acid
pipe solder is you have to get it all off, with water or something,
(just like when you do copper pipe plumbing.) otherwise it corrodes
over time and your pcb/circuit turns into this ugly green thing.

As Phil said get some rosin core solder/flux. You can also buy
rosin flux in a little jar. (snuff box size.) I use that for
tinning bigger wires.

George H.

Ok, that makes sense.

I only used it on large gauge wires and never on circuit boards.

Fluxite brand paste is less aggressive than plumber's flux, but its grease
based and cant be washed off with water.

Is there a type or brand that is water soluble?
 
<bruce2bowser@gmail.com> wrote in message
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On Sunday, January 7, 2018 at 1:21:58 PM UTC-5, Ian Field wrote:
"Andy K" <andrewkennedy775@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:ec18876d-124e-41cd-8b33-bc56195ecfdc@googlegroups.com...
On Saturday, January 6, 2018 at 2:05:38 PM UTC-6, George Herold wrote:
On Saturday, January 6, 2018 at 12:37:47 AM UTC-5, Andy K wrote:
I having been using Oatey solder paste when soldering large diameter
wires.
I know it's designed for copper pipes.


Is there something better?

Thanks,
Andy

Ughh, OK I did that when I was starting out, and promptly
was 'talked to' by an older tech. The problem with the acid
pipe solder is you have to get it all off, with water or something,
(just like when you do copper pipe plumbing.) otherwise it corrodes
over time and your pcb/circuit turns into this ugly green thing.

As Phil said get some rosin core solder/flux. You can also buy
rosin flux in a little jar. (snuff box size.) I use that for
tinning bigger wires.

George H.

Ok, that makes sense.

I only used it on large gauge wires and never on circuit boards.

Fluxite brand paste is less aggressive than plumber's flux, but its
grease
based and cant be washed off with water.

Is there a type or brand that is water soluble?

There was a water based liquid flux, all I can remember is the can was red
and beige.

Its more aggressive, but that might not matter when you can wash it off.

AFAIK: all PCB fluxes have to be water soluble since ozone layer legislation
banned the cleaning solvents - might be worth seeking out which one is
strong enough.
 
On 01/27/2018 03:36 PM, Ian Field wrote:
bruce2bowser@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1c86a3ef-5b3d-400f-88b4-207556eb17e2@googlegroups.com...
On Sunday, January 7, 2018 at 1:21:58 PM UTC-5, Ian Field wrote:
"Andy K" <andrewkennedy775@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:ec18876d-124e-41cd-8b33-bc56195ecfdc@googlegroups.com...
On Saturday, January 6, 2018 at 2:05:38 PM UTC-6, George Herold wrote:
On Saturday, January 6, 2018 at 12:37:47 AM UTC-5, Andy K wrote:
I having been using Oatey solder paste when soldering large
diameter
wires.
I know it's designed for copper pipes.


Is there something better?

Thanks,
           Andy

Ughh, OK I did that when I was starting out, and promptly
was 'talked to' by an older tech.  The problem with the acid
pipe solder is you have to get it all off, with water or something,
(just like when you do copper pipe plumbing.) otherwise it corrodes
over time and your pcb/circuit turns into this ugly green thing.

As Phil said get some rosin core solder/flux.  You can also buy
rosin flux in a little jar. (snuff box size.)  I use that for
tinning bigger wires.

George H.

Ok, that makes sense.

I only used it on large gauge wires and never on circuit boards.

Fluxite brand paste is less aggressive than plumber's flux, but its
grease
based and cant be washed off with water.

Is there a type or brand that is water soluble?

There was a water based liquid flux, all I can remember is the can was
red and beige.

Its more aggressive, but that might not matter when you can wash it off.

AFAIK: all PCB fluxes have to be water soluble since ozone layer
legislation banned the cleaning solvents - might be worth seeking out
which one is strong enough.

Umm, no. Leaded processes with rosin flux and solvent clean are readily
available, at least over here. I use them exclusively.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

--
Dr Philip C D Hobbs
Principal Consultant
ElectroOptical Innovations LLC / Hobbs ElectroOptics
Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics
Briarcliff Manor NY 10510

http://electrooptical.net
http://hobbs-eo.com
 
On Monday, January 29, 2018 at 8:56:13 AM UTC-5, Phil Hobbs wrote:
On 01/27/2018 03:36 PM, Ian Field wrote:


bruce2bowser@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1c86a3ef-5b3d-400f-88b4-207556eb17e2@googlegroups.com...
On Sunday, January 7, 2018 at 1:21:58 PM UTC-5, Ian Field wrote:
"Andy K" <andrewkennedy775@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:ec18876d-124e-41cd-8b33-bc56195ecfdc@googlegroups.com...
On Saturday, January 6, 2018 at 2:05:38 PM UTC-6, George Herold wrote:
On Saturday, January 6, 2018 at 12:37:47 AM UTC-5, Andy K wrote:
I having been using Oatey solder paste when soldering large
diameter
wires.
I know it's designed for copper pipes.


Is there something better?

Thanks,
           Andy

Ughh, OK I did that when I was starting out, and promptly
was 'talked to' by an older tech.  The problem with the acid
pipe solder is you have to get it all off, with water or something,
(just like when you do copper pipe plumbing.) otherwise it corrodes
over time and your pcb/circuit turns into this ugly green thing.

As Phil said get some rosin core solder/flux.  You can also buy
rosin flux in a little jar. (snuff box size.)  I use that for
tinning bigger wires.

George H.

Ok, that makes sense.

I only used it on large gauge wires and never on circuit boards.

Fluxite brand paste is less aggressive than plumber's flux, but its
grease
based and cant be washed off with water.

Is there a type or brand that is water soluble?

There was a water based liquid flux, all I can remember is the can was
red and beige.

Its more aggressive, but that might not matter when you can wash it off..

AFAIK: all PCB fluxes have to be water soluble since ozone layer
legislation banned the cleaning solvents - might be worth seeking out
which one is strong enough.

Umm, no. Leaded processes with rosin flux and solvent clean are readily
available, at least over here. I use them exclusively.

Hey you should walk on the wild side sometimes. Water based flux is fine
for low impedance stuff. (~<1 Meg ohm). It's fast and cleans up nicely.

What do you use to clean off rosin? Or are you having someone else do it?

George H.
Cheers

Phil Hobbs

--
Dr Philip C D Hobbs
Principal Consultant
ElectroOptical Innovations LLC / Hobbs ElectroOptics
Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics
Briarcliff Manor NY 10510

http://electrooptical.net
http://hobbs-eo.com
 
On 01/29/2018 09:06 AM, George Herold wrote:
On Monday, January 29, 2018 at 8:56:13 AM UTC-5, Phil Hobbs wrote:
On 01/27/2018 03:36 PM, Ian Field wrote:


bruce2bowser@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1c86a3ef-5b3d-400f-88b4-207556eb17e2@googlegroups.com...
On Sunday, January 7, 2018 at 1:21:58 PM UTC-5, Ian Field wrote:
"Andy K" <andrewkennedy775@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:ec18876d-124e-41cd-8b33-bc56195ecfdc@googlegroups.com...
On Saturday, January 6, 2018 at 2:05:38 PM UTC-6, George Herold wrote:
On Saturday, January 6, 2018 at 12:37:47 AM UTC-5, Andy K wrote:
I having been using Oatey solder paste when soldering large
diameter
wires.
I know it's designed for copper pipes.


Is there something better?

Thanks,
           Andy

Ughh, OK I did that when I was starting out, and promptly
was 'talked to' by an older tech.  The problem with the acid
pipe solder is you have to get it all off, with water or something,
(just like when you do copper pipe plumbing.) otherwise it corrodes
over time and your pcb/circuit turns into this ugly green thing.

As Phil said get some rosin core solder/flux.  You can also buy
rosin flux in a little jar. (snuff box size.)  I use that for
tinning bigger wires.

George H.

Ok, that makes sense.

I only used it on large gauge wires and never on circuit boards.

Fluxite brand paste is less aggressive than plumber's flux, but its
grease
based and cant be washed off with water.

Is there a type or brand that is water soluble?

There was a water based liquid flux, all I can remember is the can was
red and beige.

Its more aggressive, but that might not matter when you can wash it off.

AFAIK: all PCB fluxes have to be water soluble since ozone layer
legislation banned the cleaning solvents - might be worth seeking out
which one is strong enough.

Umm, no. Leaded processes with rosin flux and solvent clean are readily
available, at least over here. I use them exclusively.

Hey you should walk on the wild side sometimes. Water based flux is fine
for low impedance stuff. (~<1 Meg ohm). It's fast and cleans up nicely.

What do you use to clean off rosin? Or are you having someone else do it?

When I'm doing it I usually leave the flux where it is, because it
doesn't cause any big problems. (I use slots underneath high-value
resistors in the signal chain.)

For production (or what counts as production for us, i.e. 10-50 boards)
I let the vendor worry about it. I haven't had any problems with either
PNC (Nutley NJ) or PCBway (Shenzhen China).

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

--
Dr Philip C D Hobbs
Principal Consultant
ElectroOptical Innovations LLC / Hobbs ElectroOptics
Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics
Briarcliff Manor NY 10510

http://electrooptical.net
http://hobbs-eo.com
 
On Monday, January 29, 2018 at 9:06:31 AM UTC-5, George Herold wrote:
On Monday, January 29, 2018 at 8:56:13 AM UTC-5, Phil Hobbs wrote:
On 01/27/2018 03:36 PM, Ian Field wrote:


bruce2bowser@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1c86a3ef-5b3d-400f-88b4-207556eb17e2@googlegroups.com...
On Sunday, January 7, 2018 at 1:21:58 PM UTC-5, Ian Field wrote:
"Andy K" <andrewkennedy775@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:ec18876d-124e-41cd-8b33-bc56195ecfdc@googlegroups.com...
On Saturday, January 6, 2018 at 2:05:38 PM UTC-6, George Herold wrote:
On Saturday, January 6, 2018 at 12:37:47 AM UTC-5, Andy K wrote:
I having been using Oatey solder paste when soldering large
diameter
wires.
I know it's designed for copper pipes.


Is there something better?

Thanks,
           Andy

Ughh, OK I did that when I was starting out, and promptly
was 'talked to' by an older tech.  The problem with the acid
pipe solder is you have to get it all off, with water or something,
(just like when you do copper pipe plumbing.) otherwise it corrodes
over time and your pcb/circuit turns into this ugly green thing.

As Phil said get some rosin core solder/flux.  You can also buy
rosin flux in a little jar. (snuff box size.)  I use that for
tinning bigger wires.

George H.

Ok, that makes sense.

I only used it on large gauge wires and never on circuit boards.

Fluxite brand paste is less aggressive than plumber's flux, but its
grease
based and cant be washed off with water.

Is there a type or brand that is water soluble?

There was a water based liquid flux, all I can remember is the can was
red and beige.

Its more aggressive, but that might not matter when you can wash it off.

AFAIK: all PCB fluxes have to be water soluble since ozone layer
legislation banned the cleaning solvents - might be worth seeking out
which one is strong enough.

Umm, no. Leaded processes with rosin flux and solvent clean are readily
available, at least over here. I use them exclusively.

Hey you should walk on the wild side sometimes. Water based flux is fine
for low impedance stuff. (~<1 Meg ohm). It's fast and cleans up nicely.

What do you use to clean off rosin?

Alcohol won't work?
 
In article <8e42efb2-389d-4edb-b939-fe05e5cc164b@googlegroups.com>,
bruce2bowser@gmail.com says...
AFAIK: all PCB fluxes have to be water soluble since ozone layer
legislation banned the cleaning solvents - might be worth seeking out
which one is strong enough.

Umm, no. Leaded processes with rosin flux and solvent clean are readily
available, at least over here. I use them exclusively.

Hey you should walk on the wild side sometimes. Water based flux is fine
for low impedance stuff. (~<1 Meg ohm). It's fast and cleans up nicely.

What do you use to clean off rosin?

Alcohol won't work?

I use Alcohol to remove the flux. Usually 91 % is the most you can find
locally, but I usually order some 99% to do the cleaning with.

Most often for the SMD and PC work I try touse some of the no clean
flux, but clean it with Alcohol anyway.
 
On 02/08/2018 10:10 AM, Ralph Mowery wrote:
In article <8e42efb2-389d-4edb-b939-fe05e5cc164b@googlegroups.com>,
bruce2bowser@gmail.com says...

AFAIK: all PCB fluxes have to be water soluble since ozone layer
legislation banned the cleaning solvents - might be worth seeking out
which one is strong enough.

Umm, no. Leaded processes with rosin flux and solvent clean are readily
available, at least over here. I use them exclusively.

Hey you should walk on the wild side sometimes. Water based flux is fine
for low impedance stuff. (~<1 Meg ohm). It's fast and cleans up nicely.

What do you use to clean off rosin?

Alcohol won't work?



I use Alcohol to remove the flux. Usually 91 % is the most you can find
locally, but I usually order some 99% to do the cleaning with.

Most often for the SMD and PC work I try touse some of the no clean
flux, but clean it with Alcohol anyway.

Drugstore rubbing alcohol is a disaster for high-Z circuits. When
(rarely) I need to clean off flux, I use the same solvent I use for
cleaning optics, namely HPLC grade methanol. It's expensive, but a
two-litre bottle lasts me a long time.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

--
Dr Philip C D Hobbs
Principal Consultant
ElectroOptical Innovations LLC / Hobbs ElectroOptics
Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics
Briarcliff Manor NY 10510

http://electrooptical.net
http://hobbs-eo.com
 
On Thursday, February 8, 2018 at 10:10:37 AM UTC-5, Ralph Mowery wrote:
In article <8e42efb2-389d-4edb-b939-fe05e5cc164b@googlegroups.com>,
bruce2bowser@gmail.com says...

AFAIK: all PCB fluxes have to be water soluble since ozone layer
legislation banned the cleaning solvents - might be worth seeking out
which one is strong enough.

Umm, no. Leaded processes with rosin flux and solvent clean are readily
available, at least over here. I use them exclusively.

Hey you should walk on the wild side sometimes. Water based flux is fine
for low impedance stuff. (~<1 Meg ohm). It's fast and cleans up nicely.

What do you use to clean off rosin?

Alcohol won't work?



I use Alcohol to remove the flux. Usually 91 % is the most you can find
locally, but I usually order some 99% to do the cleaning with.

Most often for the SMD and PC work I try touse some of the no clean
flux, but clean it with Alcohol anyway.

I use acetone and a cotton swab for small stuff. For a
big board 91% IPA and then rinse with detergent and hot water.
(but I don't really like that.)

George H.
 
In article <p5hssk$5h8$1@dont-email.me>,
pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net says...
I use Alcohol to remove the flux. Usually 91 % is the most you can find
locally, but I usually order some 99% to do the cleaning with.

Most often for the SMD and PC work I try touse some of the no clean
flux, but clean it with Alcohol anyway.



Drugstore rubbing alcohol is a disaster for high-Z circuits. When
(rarely) I need to clean off flux, I use the same solvent I use for
cleaning optics, namely HPLC grade methanol. It's expensive, but a
two-litre bottle lasts me a long time.

The common drug store rubbing alcohol is bad. That is why I specified
the 91 % and 99 %. Those are just alcohol and water, none of the
'rubbing' addativies. I would think it would be water and then alcohol
to remove the water from places that are hard to dry out.
 

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