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atec77
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On 23/12/2010 4:19 AM, Ian Field wrote:
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/australiaandthepacific/australia/8213932/Wintry-weather-brings-snow-to-Australia-in-midsummer.html
Must be that there global \warming huh ?
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Metro
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"Ian Field" <gangprobing.alien@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/australiaandthepacific/australia/8213932/Wintry-weather-brings-snow-to-Australia-in-midsummer.html
What makes you think it's global warming?
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Dennis
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"Ian Field" <gangprobing.alien@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
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looking at the whole pictue I guess......
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Western Australia has had the driest warmest winter on record, no point inhttp://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/australiaandthepacific/australia/8213932/Wintry-weather-brings-snow-to-Australia-in-midsummer.html
looking at the whole pictue I guess......
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fritz
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"Dennis" <noone@nowhere.com> wrote in message news:EOSdnfDmMZtBPY_QnZ2dnUVZ_q-dnZ2d@westnet.com.au...
It has been below zero for weeks, now.
The AGW true believers usually say it is all caused by increased moisture - a load of crap because the
temperatures have ALSO been at record lows.
Is there really any global warming ?
Maybe, if you bias the results to mostly ignore everything but the oceans.
Over here, (in Europe) we have had one of the coldest November-December periods ever recorded."Ian Field" <gangprobing.alien@ntlworld.com> wrote in message news:AirQo.85680$QU2.69524@newsfe14.ams2...
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/australiaandthepacific/australia/8213932/Wintry-weather-brings-snow-to-Australia-in-midsummer.html
Western Australia has had the driest warmest winter on record, no point in looking at the whole pictue I guess......
It has been below zero for weeks, now.
The AGW true believers usually say it is all caused by increased moisture - a load of crap because the
temperatures have ALSO been at record lows.
Is there really any global warming ?
Maybe, if you bias the results to mostly ignore everything but the oceans.
D
Dennis
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"fritz" <yaputya@microsoft.com> wrote in message
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the thermal mass of oceans greatly outweighing that of the atmosphere, it
should be reason for concern.
I've worked in the environmental monitoring area for years. Those in the
area are convinced AGW is fact based. I've a agricultural scientist friend
who says the evidence of warming is blatant world wide. I guess the main
problem is that these people are all unwittingly part of a global conspiracy
plot.....
news:ieu95g$1da$00$1@news.t-online.com...
I was of the understanding that ocean temps on average had increased. With"Dennis" <noone@nowhere.com> wrote in message
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"Ian Field" <gangprobing.alien@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/australiaandthepacific/australia/8213932/Wintry-weather-brings-snow-to-Australia-in-midsummer.html
Western Australia has had the driest warmest winter on record, no point
in looking at the whole pictue I guess......
Over here, (in Europe) we have had one of the coldest November-December
periods ever recorded.
It has been below zero for weeks, now.
The AGW true believers usually say it is all caused by increased
moisture - a load of crap because the
temperatures have ALSO been at record lows.
Is there really any global warming ?
Maybe, if you bias the results to mostly ignore everything but the oceans.
the thermal mass of oceans greatly outweighing that of the atmosphere, it
should be reason for concern.
I've worked in the environmental monitoring area for years. Those in the
area are convinced AGW is fact based. I've a agricultural scientist friend
who says the evidence of warming is blatant world wide. I guess the main
problem is that these people are all unwittingly part of a global conspiracy
plot.....
K
kreed
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On Dec 23, 4:19 am, "Ian Field" <gangprobing.al...@ntlworld.com>
wrote:
Yes, so funny isn't it.
Where I am in QLD is still warm, but its a lot better than previous
years IMHO.
Mostly due to being unusually rainy.
wrote:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/australiaandthepacific/aust...
Yes, so funny isn't it.
Where I am in QLD is still warm, but its a lot better than previous
years IMHO.
Mostly due to being unusually rainy.
F
fritz
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"Dennis" <noone@nowhere.com> wrote in message news:VLCdnXdrdZtWNI_QnZ2dnUVZ_tednZ2d@westnet.com.au...
Anyway, the gloom and doom predictions of any natural increase in temps has
been overstated. Plants grow better with more CO2 and greenhouses only
exist to increase the temperature for the plants within.
What is often ignored is the natural variation in global temps - ice ages etc.
These cold periods have nothing to do with AGW - yet they occured and as
far as we know will occur again. So the short-term AGW computer models are
lacking credibility if they do not predict ice ages.
Well, the people involved have a vested interest in AGW - for their pay-packets."fritz" <yaputya@microsoft.com> wrote in message news:ieu95g$1da$00$1@news.t-online.com...
"Dennis" <noone@nowhere.com> wrote in message news:EOSdnfDmMZtBPY_QnZ2dnUVZ_q-dnZ2d@westnet.com.au...
"Ian Field" <gangprobing.alien@ntlworld.com> wrote in message news:AirQo.85680$QU2.69524@newsfe14.ams2...
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/australiaandthepacific/australia/8213932/Wintry-weather-brings-snow-to-Australia-in-midsummer.html
Western Australia has had the driest warmest winter on record, no point in looking at the whole pictue I guess......
Over here, (in Europe) we have had one of the coldest November-December periods ever recorded.
It has been below zero for weeks, now.
The AGW true believers usually say it is all caused by increased moisture - a load of crap because the
temperatures have ALSO been at record lows.
Is there really any global warming ?
Maybe, if you bias the results to mostly ignore everything but the oceans.
I was of the understanding that ocean temps on average had increased. With the thermal mass of oceans greatly outweighing that of
the atmosphere, it should be reason for concern.
I've worked in the environmental monitoring area for years. Those in the area are convinced AGW is fact based. I've a agricultural
scientist friend who says the evidence of warming is blatant world wide. I guess the main problem is that these people are all
unwittingly part of a global conspiracy plot.....
Anyway, the gloom and doom predictions of any natural increase in temps has
been overstated. Plants grow better with more CO2 and greenhouses only
exist to increase the temperature for the plants within.
What is often ignored is the natural variation in global temps - ice ages etc.
These cold periods have nothing to do with AGW - yet they occured and as
far as we know will occur again. So the short-term AGW computer models are
lacking credibility if they do not predict ice ages.
D
Dennis
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"fritz" <yaputya@microsoft.com> wrote in message
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The cold extremes are systems becoming more unstable - "tipping point"."Dennis" <noone@nowhere.com> wrote in message
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"fritz" <yaputya@microsoft.com> wrote in message
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"Dennis" <noone@nowhere.com> wrote in message
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"Ian Field" <gangprobing.alien@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/australiaandthepacific/australia/8213932/Wintry-weather-brings-snow-to-Australia-in-midsummer.html
Western Australia has had the driest warmest winter on record, no point
in looking at the whole pictue I guess......
Over here, (in Europe) we have had one of the coldest November-December
periods ever recorded.
It has been below zero for weeks, now.
The AGW true believers usually say it is all caused by increased
moisture - a load of crap because the
temperatures have ALSO been at record lows.
Is there really any global warming ?
Maybe, if you bias the results to mostly ignore everything but the
oceans.
I was of the understanding that ocean temps on average had increased.
With the thermal mass of oceans greatly outweighing that of the
atmosphere, it should be reason for concern.
I've worked in the environmental monitoring area for years. Those in the
area are convinced AGW is fact based. I've a agricultural scientist
friend who says the evidence of warming is blatant world wide. I guess
the main problem is that these people are all unwittingly part of a
global conspiracy plot.....
Well, the people involved have a vested interest in AGW - for their
pay-packets.
Anyway, the gloom and doom predictions of any natural increase in temps
has
been overstated. Plants grow better with more CO2 and greenhouses only
exist to increase the temperature for the plants within.
What is often ignored is the natural variation in global temps - ice ages
etc.
These cold periods have nothing to do with AGW - yet they occured and as
far as we know will occur again. So the short-term AGW computer models are
lacking credibility if they do not predict ice ages.
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terryc
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fritz wrote:
value to humans would be nill.
Correct, but the quality of the food goes down. In many cases, the foodPlants grow better with more CO2
value to humans would be nill.
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atec77
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On 23/12/2010 10:07 PM, Dennis wrote:
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"fritz"<yaputya@microsoft.com> wrote in message
The cold extremes are systems becoming more unstable - "tipping point".
Well it was only 30 years ago a new ice age was being predicted
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atec77
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On 23/12/2010 10:37 PM, terryc wrote:
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fritz wrote:
Plants grow better with more CO2
Correct, but the quality of the food goes down. In many cases, the food
value to humans would be nill.
Cite ?
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kreed
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On Dec 23, 9:55 pm, "fritz" <yapu...@microsoft.com> wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kHyMYEzRyf8
This interview brings up a lot of interesting points.
IF you have some spare time I would watch it and listen to this guy's
points.
"Dennis" <no...@nowhere.com> wrote in messagenews:VLCdnXdrdZtWNI_QnZ2dnUVZ_tednZ2d@westnet.com.au...
"fritz" <yapu...@microsoft.com> wrote in messagenews:ieu95g$1da$00$1@news.t-online.com...
"Dennis" <no...@nowhere.com> wrote in messagenews:EOSdnfDmMZtBPY_QnZ2dnUVZ_q-dnZ2d@westnet.com.au...
"Ian Field" <gangprobing.al...@ntlworld.com> wrote in messagenews:AirQo.85680$QU2.69524@newsfe14.ams2...
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/australiaandthepacific/aust....
Western Australia has had the driest warmest winter on record, no point in looking at the whole pictue I guess......
Over here, (in Europe) we have had one of the coldest November-December periods ever recorded.
It has been below zero for weeks, now.
The AGW true believers usually say it is all caused by increased moisture - a load of crap because the
temperatures have ALSO been at record lows.
Is there really any global warming ?
Maybe, if you bias the results to mostly ignore everything but the oceans.
I was of the understanding that ocean temps on average had increased. With the thermal mass of oceans greatly outweighing that of
the atmosphere, it should be reason for concern.
I've worked in the environmental monitoring area for years. Those in the area are convinced AGW is fact based. I've a agricultural
scientist friend who says the evidence of warming is blatant world wide.. I guess the main problem is that these people are all
unwittingly part of a global conspiracy plot.....
Well, the people involved have a vested interest in AGW - for their pay-packets.
Anyway, the gloom and doom predictions of any natural increase in temps has
been overstated. Plants grow better with more CO2 and greenhouses only
exist to increase the temperature for the plants within.
What is often ignored is the natural variation in global temps - ice ages etc.
These cold periods have nothing to do with AGW - yet they occured and as
far as we know will occur again. So the short-term AGW computer models are
lacking credibility if they do not predict ice ages.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kHyMYEzRyf8
This interview brings up a lot of interesting points.
IF you have some spare time I would watch it and listen to this guy's
points.
F
fritz
Guest
"Dennis" <noone@nowhere.com> wrote in message news:_9idnfvV9KDppo7QnZ2dnUVZ_jGdnZ2d@westnet.com.au...
The recent cold weather in Europe shows how inadequate AGW models are.
Anyway, we know that ice ages are a regular feature of the world climate.
Yet the AGW true believers seem to ignore this fundamental fact. It is a
fact that the climate can turn cold without any man-made influence at all.
The climate is indeed a chaotic system, but there is no reason to believe
in the predictions of the AGW zealots - whose record is pretty abysmal.
You forget that the AGW models are totally useless in predicting this."fritz" <yaputya@microsoft.com> wrote in message news:ievdp2$lvm$00$1@news.t-online.com...
"Dennis" <noone@nowhere.com> wrote in message news:VLCdnXdrdZtWNI_QnZ2dnUVZ_tednZ2d@westnet.com.au...
"fritz" <yaputya@microsoft.com> wrote in message news:ieu95g$1da$00$1@news.t-online.com...
"Dennis" <noone@nowhere.com> wrote in message news:EOSdnfDmMZtBPY_QnZ2dnUVZ_q-dnZ2d@westnet.com.au...
"Ian Field" <gangprobing.alien@ntlworld.com> wrote in message news:AirQo.85680$QU2.69524@newsfe14.ams2...
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/australiaandthepacific/australia/8213932/Wintry-weather-brings-snow-to-Australia-in-midsummer.html
Western Australia has had the driest warmest winter on record, no point in looking at the whole pictue I guess......
Over here, (in Europe) we have had one of the coldest November-December periods ever recorded.
It has been below zero for weeks, now.
The AGW true believers usually say it is all caused by increased moisture - a load of crap because the
temperatures have ALSO been at record lows.
Is there really any global warming ?
Maybe, if you bias the results to mostly ignore everything but the oceans.
I was of the understanding that ocean temps on average had increased. With the thermal mass of oceans greatly outweighing that
of the atmosphere, it should be reason for concern.
I've worked in the environmental monitoring area for years. Those in the area are convinced AGW is fact based. I've a
agricultural scientist friend who says the evidence of warming is blatant world wide. I guess the main problem is that these
people are all unwittingly part of a global conspiracy plot.....
Well, the people involved have a vested interest in AGW - for their pay-packets.
Anyway, the gloom and doom predictions of any natural increase in temps has
been overstated. Plants grow better with more CO2 and greenhouses only
exist to increase the temperature for the plants within.
What is often ignored is the natural variation in global temps - ice ages etc.
These cold periods have nothing to do with AGW - yet they occured and as
far as we know will occur again. So the short-term AGW computer models are
lacking credibility if they do not predict ice ages.
The cold extremes are systems becoming more unstable - "tipping point".
The recent cold weather in Europe shows how inadequate AGW models are.
Anyway, we know that ice ages are a regular feature of the world climate.
Yet the AGW true believers seem to ignore this fundamental fact. It is a
fact that the climate can turn cold without any man-made influence at all.
The climate is indeed a chaotic system, but there is no reason to believe
in the predictions of the AGW zealots - whose record is pretty abysmal.