Smart MonteCarlo

[JD]

Hi,

Just had a look at the new virtuoso simulator spec sheet. It says with
the Advanced Monte Carlo algorithms, the Smart MonteCarlo analysis can
speedup the MC analysis by 10x.

Is this new feature available in Cadence 6? What excatly is the
advanced monte carlo algorithms?

Thanks,

JD

 

[Andrew Beckett]

On Thu, 01 Nov 2007 19:52:05 -0000, JD <Jiandong.Ge@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi,

Just had a look at the new virtuoso simulator spec sheet. It says with
the Advanced Monte Carlo algorithms, the Smart MonteCarlo analysis can
speedup the MC analysis by 10x.

Is this new feature available in Cadence 6? What excatly is the
advanced monte carlo algorithms?

Thanks,

JD

This is (almost certainly) referring to the "Latin Hypercube Sampling" method
that is available (look on wikipedia for a short overview on what latin
hypercube is all about).

You can do this in both IC5141 and IC61X - provided you're using an MMSIM611 (I
think) or later version of spectre with it. For IC5141 you'd need to be using a
version from 2007 (support for this was added early this year). There's a choice
on the monte-carlo form to use "lhs".

Regards,

Andrew.
--
Andrew Beckett
Senior Solution Architect
Cadence Design Systems, UK.

 

[danmc]

On Nov 2, 2:19 am, Andrew Beckett <andr...@DcEaLdEeTnEcTe.HcIoSm>
wrote:

On Thu, 01 Nov 2007 19:52:05 -0000, JD <Jiandong...@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,

Just had a look at the new virtuoso simulator spec sheet. It says with
the Advanced Monte Carlo algorithms, the Smart MonteCarlo analysis can
speedup the MC analysis by 10x.

Is this new feature available in Cadence 6? What excatly is the
advanced monte carlo algorithms?

Thanks,

JD

This is (almost certainly) referring to the "Latin Hypercube Sampling" method
that is available (look on wikipedia for a short overview on what latin
hypercube is all about).

You can do this in both IC5141 and IC61X - provided you're using an MMSIM611 (I
think) or later version of spectre with it. For IC5141 you'd need to be using a
version from 2007 (support for this was added early this year). There's a choice
on the monte-carlo form to use "lhs".

Regards,

Andrew.
--
Andrew Beckett
Senior Solution Architect
Cadence Design Systems, UK.

On this topic, when I try to use LHS with spectre-6.2.0.420, I get an
error that says numBins is not a valid parameter for an instance of
montecarlo. numBins gets set if I click the LHS button in the
montecarlo setup form in analog artist.

Also, I couldn't find any documentation at all in the spectre
reference or user manual for 6.2.0.420.

Do I have the wrong mmsim release?

Something I also don't understand is the form lets you specify both
the number of bins as well as the number of runs. I thought with LHS,
you get 1 run per bin?

Thanks
-Dan

 

[danmc]

On this topic, when I try to use LHS with spectre-6.2.0.420, I get an
error that says numBins is not a valid parameter for an instance of
montecarlo. numBins gets set if I click the LHS button in the
montecarlo setup form in analog artist.

sorry, it is a warning about numBins, not an error.

Also, I couldn't find any documentation at all in the spectre
reference or user manual for 6.2.0.420.

I should have been more specific. I can't find documentation for
numBins or a real description other than the spectre -h output for
sampling=.

 

[JD]

Thanks very much for the reply. I really don't know Spectre montecarlo
can do LHC. It is not on the spectreref and spectreuser manual.

JD

On Nov 2, 12:19 am, Andrew Beckett <andr...@DcEaLdEeTnEcTe.HcIoSm>
wrote:

On Thu, 01 Nov 2007 19:52:05 -0000, JD <Jiandong...@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,

Just had a look at the new virtuoso simulator spec sheet. It says with
the Advanced Monte Carlo algorithms, the Smart MonteCarlo analysis can
speedup the MC analysis by 10x.

Is this new feature available in Cadence 6? What excatly is the
advanced monte carlo algorithms?

Thanks,

JD

This is (almost certainly) referring to the "Latin Hypercube Sampling" method
that is available (look on wikipedia for a short overview on what latin
hypercube is all about).

You can do this in both IC5141 and IC61X - provided you're using an MMSIM611 (I
think) or later version of spectre with it. For IC5141 you'd need to be using a
version from 2007 (support for this was added early this year). There's a choice
on the monte-carlo form to use "lhs".

Regards,

Andrew.
--
Andrew Beckett
Senior Solution Architect
Cadence Design Systems, UK.

 

[Svenn Are Bjerkem]

On Nov 2, 2:47 pm, danmc <s...@mcmahill.net> wrote:

On this topic, when I try to use LHS with spectre-6.2.0.420, I get an
error that says numBins is not a valid parameter for an instance of
montecarlo. numBins gets set if I click the LHS button in the
montecarlo setup form in analog artist.

sorry, it is a warning about numBins, not an error.

Also, I couldn't find any documentation at all in the spectre
reference or user manual for 6.2.0.420.

I should have been more specific. I can't find documentation for
numBins or a real description other than the spectre -h output for
sampling=.

In solution 11365046 Cadence say that numBins should have been spelled
numbins in the input.scs and that this is fixed in versions after
5.10.41.500.5.94. Interesting to see that you have this in 6.2xxx

You find one line of doc in spectre -h montecarlo if you run it on a
new enough version
You find the same line of doc in spectrePN.pdf (Whats new doc) in a
new enough version.
And you find a few more lines in the aatoolsuser.pdf in a new enough
version.

Remember that spectre is a part of mmsim now, and that the doc in the
ic* doc dir not nescessarily is reflecting this. I think IC* has its
own spectre, but that is not the newest one, but Andrew will probably
correct me if I am wrong.

--
Svenn

 

[Andrew Beckett]

On Fri, 02 Nov 2007 18:13:22 -0000, JD <Jiandong.Ge@gmail.com> wrote:

Thanks very much for the reply. I really don't know Spectre montecarlo
can do LHC. It is not on the spectreref and spectreuser manual.

JD

It's pretty new - that's why...
Documentation for features added during a release sometimes takes a while to
catch up.

Andrew.

--
Andrew Beckett
Senior Solution Architect
Cadence Design Systems, UK.