SLS weighs 10X Statue of Liberty...

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Mike Monett

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Interesting to note NASA\'s Space Launch System, the first moon rocket in 50
years, weighs 10 times the Statue of Liberty.

How much does SLS weigh?

5.75 million lbs
5.75e6/2000 = 2,875 tons

NASA\'s Space Launch System, or SLS, is ... Offering the highest-ever
payload mass and volume ... feet tall, higher than the Statue of
Liberty.

How much does the Statue of Liberty weigh in total?

450,000 pounds
450e3/2000 = 225 tons

The famed Statue of Liberty, located in New York harbor was
officially dedicated on October 28, 1886. The Statue has a 35-foot
waistline and weighs 450,000 pounds. Some facts: Total overall
height from the base of the pedestal foundation to the tip of the
torch is 305 feet, 6 inches.

Which only goes to show, if you have enough thrust, you can make anything
fly.

However, the huge cost of the SLS may get the program canceled by congress:

\"Why NASA\'s Monster Moon Rocket Will Likely Be Cancelled\"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SIR7IBnpvSU

It is pointless to go to the moon. Space travel is lethal to humans. Cosmic
radiation and destruction of blood due to microgravity is fatal. Nobody is
going to travel to Mercury, Venus, Mars, Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus, Pluto, or
anywhere else. Colonies on the Moon have no purpose. Space stations are a
waste of money. Manufacturing in zero gravity is too expensive and provides
little benefit over manufacturing on earth. Low earth orbit is needed for
GPS, communication, and earth observation, but these do not need humans for
operation. Send robots, such as the solar probe. We can use VR to
experience the trip.

Spend the money, ingenuity, and effort on solving problems on earth. Global
warming, pollution from fossil fuels, energy, conflict and violence,
inequality, global health, poverty, and many other issues threaten the
planet. These are much more important and demanding than sending a rocket
into orbit. The problem is we don\'t know how to solve them, but we must to
survive.



--
MRM
 
On a sunny day (Fri, 8 Apr 2022 13:50:55 -0000 (UTC)) it happened Mike Monett
<spamme@not.com> wrote in <XnsAE736426AB188idtokenpost@144.76.35.252>:

Interesting to note NASA\'s Space Launch System, the first moon rocket in 50
years, weighs 10 times the Statue of Liberty.

How much does SLS weigh?

5.75 million lbs
5.75e6/2000 = 2,875 tons

NASA\'s Space Launch System, or SLS, is ... Offering the highest-ever
payload mass and volume ... feet tall, higher than the Statue of
Liberty.

How much does the Statue of Liberty weigh in total?

450,000 pounds
450e3/2000 = 225 tons

The famed Statue of Liberty, located in New York harbor was
officially dedicated on October 28, 1886. The Statue has a 35-foot
waistline and weighs 450,000 pounds. Some facts: Total overall
height from the base of the pedestal foundation to the tip of the
torch is 305 feet, 6 inches.

Which only goes to show, if you have enough thrust, you can make anything
fly.

However, the huge cost of the SLS may get the program canceled by congress:

\"Why NASA\'s Monster Moon Rocket Will Likely Be Cancelled\"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SIR7IBnpvSU

It is pointless to go to the moon. Space travel is lethal to humans. Cosmic
radiation and destruction of blood due to microgravity is fatal. Nobody is
going to travel to Mercury, Venus, Mars, Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus, Pluto, or
anywhere else.
Click to expand...

We need to spread across the universe as the sun will one day engulf the earth.
There are plenty solutions to all those problems you mentioned,
political will is what is needed.
Or maybe we can send some self modifying DNA or RNA that will then create ape like
lifeforms on other planets :)
Or are we?


Colonies on the Moon have no purpose. Space stations are a
waste of money. Manufacturing in zero gravity is too expensive and provides
little benefit over manufacturing on earth. Low earth orbit is needed for
GPS, communication, and earth observation, but these do not need humans for
operation. Send robots, such as the solar probe. We can use VR to
experience the trip.

Spend the money, ingenuity, and effort on solving problems on earth. Global
warming, pollution from fossil fuels, energy, conflict and violence,
inequality, global health, poverty, and many other issues threaten the
planet. These are much more important and demanding than sending a rocket
into orbit. The problem is we don\'t know how to solve them, but we must to
survive.
Click to expand...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aRHqs8SffDo
 
On Friday, April 8, 2022 at 9:51:03 AM UTC-4, Mike Monett wrote:
Interesting to note NASA\'s Space Launch System, the first moon rocket in 50
years, weighs 10 times the Statue of Liberty.

How much does SLS weigh?

5.75 million lbs
5.75e6/2000 = 2,875 tons

NASA\'s Space Launch System, or SLS, is ... Offering the highest-ever
payload mass and volume ... feet tall, higher than the Statue of
Liberty.

How much does the Statue of Liberty weigh in total?

450,000 pounds
450e3/2000 = 225 tons

The famed Statue of Liberty, located in New York harbor was
officially dedicated on October 28, 1886. The Statue has a 35-foot
waistline and weighs 450,000 pounds. Some facts: Total overall
height from the base of the pedestal foundation to the tip of the
torch is 305 feet, 6 inches.

Which only goes to show, if you have enough thrust, you can make anything
fly.

However, the huge cost of the SLS may get the program canceled by congress:

\"Why NASA\'s Monster Moon Rocket Will Likely Be Cancelled\"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SIR7IBnpvSU

It is pointless to go to the moon. Space travel is lethal to humans. Cosmic
radiation and destruction of blood due to microgravity is fatal. Nobody is
going to travel to Mercury, Venus, Mars, Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus, Pluto, or
anywhere else. Colonies on the Moon have no purpose. Space stations are a
waste of money. Manufacturing in zero gravity is too expensive and provides
little benefit over manufacturing on earth. Low earth orbit is needed for
GPS, communication, and earth observation, but these do not need humans for
operation. Send robots, such as the solar probe. We can use VR to
experience the trip.

Spend the money, ingenuity, and effort on solving problems on earth. Global
warming, pollution from fossil fuels, energy, conflict and violence,
inequality, global health, poverty, and many other issues threaten the
planet. These are much more important and demanding than sending a rocket
into orbit. The problem is we don\'t know how to solve them, but we must to
survive.
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No purpose???

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U8V2U7vTys0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0P84NiVGJsw

You clearly don\'t appreciate entertainment!

Besides, what\'s so special about the human race that needs preserving? We seem hell bent on killing one another, or, failing that, dominating each other and inflicting as much grief on the rest of the world as humanly possible. Some do this by not sharing their toys, others by taking away someone else\'s toys. But the root is always the same. A lack of respect for others if not pure hatred.

If I were an alien race, I\'d just pass this planet by.

--

Rick C.

- Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
- Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209
 
On a sunny day (Fri, 8 Apr 2022 13:50:55 -0000 (UTC)) it happened Mike Monett
<spamme@not.com> wrote in <XnsAE736426AB188idtokenpost@144.76.35.252>:

Interesting to note NASA\'s Space Launch System, the first moon rocket in 50
years, weighs 10 times the Statue of Liberty.

How much does SLS weigh?

5.75 million lbs
5.75e6/2000 = 2,875 tons

NASA\'s Space Launch System, or SLS, is ... Offering the highest-ever
payload mass and volume ... feet tall, higher than the Statue of
Liberty.

How much does the Statue of Liberty weigh in total?

450,000 pounds
450e3/2000 = 225 tons

The famed Statue of Liberty, located in New York harbor was
officially dedicated on October 28, 1886. The Statue has a 35-foot
waistline and weighs 450,000 pounds. Some facts: Total overall
height from the base of the pedestal foundation to the tip of the
torch is 305 feet, 6 inches.

Which only goes to show, if you have enough thrust, you can make anything
fly.

However, the huge cost of the SLS may get the program canceled by congress:

\"Why NASA\'s Monster Moon Rocket Will Likely Be Cancelled\"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SIR7IBnpvSU
Click to expand...

Maybe
lots of things are tried to get stuff into space
https://www.space.com/spinlaunch-nasa-suborbital-test-flight-agreement

Was thinking rail-gun and coil-gun, I mean to lauch from near vacuum like the moon

Have not heard much recreating mass or organism elsewhere, like \'beam them up Scotty\'
I would volunteer for mars..
Just for fun and curiosity.
 
On Friday, April 8, 2022 at 10:44:07 AM UTC-4, Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (Fri, 8 Apr 2022 13:50:55 -0000 (UTC)) it happened Mike Monett
spa...@not.com> wrote in <XnsAE736426AB...@144.76.35.252>:
Interesting to note NASA\'s Space Launch System, the first moon rocket in 50
years, weighs 10 times the Statue of Liberty.

How much does SLS weigh?

5.75 million lbs
5.75e6/2000 = 2,875 tons

NASA\'s Space Launch System, or SLS, is ... Offering the highest-ever
payload mass and volume ... feet tall, higher than the Statue of
Liberty.

How much does the Statue of Liberty weigh in total?

450,000 pounds
450e3/2000 = 225 tons

The famed Statue of Liberty, located in New York harbor was
officially dedicated on October 28, 1886. The Statue has a 35-foot
waistline and weighs 450,000 pounds. Some facts: Total overall
height from the base of the pedestal foundation to the tip of the
torch is 305 feet, 6 inches.

Which only goes to show, if you have enough thrust, you can make anything
fly.

However, the huge cost of the SLS may get the program canceled by congress:

\"Why NASA\'s Monster Moon Rocket Will Likely Be Cancelled\"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SIR7IBnpvSU

It is pointless to go to the moon. Space travel is lethal to humans. Cosmic
radiation and destruction of blood due to microgravity is fatal. Nobody is
going to travel to Mercury, Venus, Mars, Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus, Pluto, or
anywhere else.
We need to spread across the universe as the sun will one day engulf the earth.
There are plenty solutions to all those problems you mentioned,
political will is what is needed.
Click to expand...

Political will is what has caused many of our problems. So you recommend \"hair of the dog that bit you\"?


Or maybe we can send some self modifying DNA or RNA that will then create ape like
lifeforms on other planets :)
Or are we?
Click to expand...

Who cares? We live. We die. Not much changes. Especially in s.e.d.

--

Rick C.

+ Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
+ Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209
 
On Friday, April 8, 2022 at 11:51:03 PM UTC+10, Mike Monett wrote:
Interesting to note NASA\'s Space Launch System, the first moon rocket in 50
years, weighs 10 times the Statue of Liberty.

How much does SLS weigh?

5.75 million lbs
5.75e6/2000 = 2,875 tons

NASA\'s Space Launch System, or SLS, is ... Offering the highest-ever
payload mass and volume ... feet tall, higher than the Statue of
Liberty.

How much does the Statue of Liberty weigh in total?

450,000 pounds
450e3/2000 = 225 tons

The famed Statue of Liberty, located in New York harbor was
officially dedicated on October 28, 1886. The Statue has a 35-foot
waistline and weighs 450,000 pounds. Some facts: Total overall
height from the base of the pedestal foundation to the tip of the
torch is 305 feet, 6 inches.

Which only goes to show, if you have enough thrust, you can make anything
fly.

However, the huge cost of the SLS may get the program canceled by congress:

\"Why NASA\'s Monster Moon Rocket Will Likely Be Cancelled\"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SIR7IBnpvSU

It is pointless to go to the moon.
Click to expand...

And will probably keep looking that way until we get there, and get settled in, and find out what we can do there which we can\'t do down here.

> Space travel is lethal to humans. Cosmic radiation and destruction of blood due to microgravity is fatal.

It doesn\'t kill you fast enough to stop you getting to the moon, and once you are there you do have some gravity, and can get spun in a centrifuge from time to time to get more if you need it. Even cosmic rays don\'t get far through moon rock,

> Nobody is going to travel to Mercury, Venus, Mars, Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus, Pluto, or anywhere else.

Not all that soon.

> Colonies on the Moon have no purpose.

None that you can think of.

> Space stations are a waste of money.

The James Webb space telescope isn\'t.

https://jwst.nasa.gov/

It\'s not got anybody on board, and it\'s not in low earth orbit, but it does make the point that we can do some stuff up there that we can\'t do down here.

> Manufacturing in zero gravity is too expensive and provides little benefit over manufacturing on earth.

So far.

> Low earth orbit is needed for GPS, communication, and earth observation, but these do not need humans for operation. Send robots, such as the solar probe. We can use VR to experience the trip.

Once you\'ve worked out exactly what you want to do, you don\'t need a human around. We\'ve now worked out how to exploit low earth and synchronous orbits. We may not have covered the full spectrum of stuff that we might do.

> Spend the money, ingenuity, and effort on solving problems on earth.

Spend most of it on that. Spend a bit on seeing if there is useful stuff we can do a bit further out.

> Global warming, pollution from fossil fuels, energy, conflict and violence, inequality, global health, poverty, and many other issues threaten the planet.

They do, but people have other priorities. Spending money on doing stuff in space isn\'t going to subtract all that much from what gets spent on solving problems closer to home.

> These are much more important and demanding than sending a rocket into orbit.

So why aren\'t they being tackled more effectively? If we spent the money that\'s now being spent on climate change denial propaganda on cutting CO2 emissions, we\'d have a lot less climate change for them to deny.

> The problem is we don\'t know how to solve them, but we must to survive.

That\'s not the real problem, which is the greedy crooks who want to keep on making money out of digging up fossil carbon and selling it as fuel. They want the money now, and can\'t be convinced that it is doing enough damage to worry about,. Check out John Larkin\'s opinions on the subject. They are Flyguy idiotic, but he doesn\'t get the message.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney
 
On Fri, 08 Apr 2022 14:43:07 GMT, Jan Panteltje
<pNaonStpealmtje@yahoo.com> wrote:

On a sunny day (Fri, 8 Apr 2022 13:50:55 -0000 (UTC)) it happened Mike Monett
spamme@not.com> wrote in <XnsAE736426AB188idtokenpost@144.76.35.252>:

Interesting to note NASA\'s Space Launch System, the first moon rocket in 50
years, weighs 10 times the Statue of Liberty.

How much does SLS weigh?

5.75 million lbs
5.75e6/2000 = 2,875 tons

NASA\'s Space Launch System, or SLS, is ... Offering the highest-ever
payload mass and volume ... feet tall, higher than the Statue of
Liberty.

How much does the Statue of Liberty weigh in total?

450,000 pounds
450e3/2000 = 225 tons

The famed Statue of Liberty, located in New York harbor was
officially dedicated on October 28, 1886. The Statue has a 35-foot
waistline and weighs 450,000 pounds. Some facts: Total overall
height from the base of the pedestal foundation to the tip of the
torch is 305 feet, 6 inches.

Which only goes to show, if you have enough thrust, you can make anything
fly.

However, the huge cost of the SLS may get the program canceled by congress:

\"Why NASA\'s Monster Moon Rocket Will Likely Be Cancelled\"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SIR7IBnpvSU

It is pointless to go to the moon. Space travel is lethal to humans. Cosmic
radiation and destruction of blood due to microgravity is fatal. Nobody is
going to travel to Mercury, Venus, Mars, Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus, Pluto, or
anywhere else.


We need to spread across the universe as the sun will one day engulf the earth.
Click to expand...

Putting a few more bootprints on the moon won\'t help. NASA should do
something new and useful.

And why now? The sun isn\'t expanding very fast. Wait a few million
years and re-evaluate the situation.



--

I yam what I yam - Popeye
 
Mike Monett <spamme@not.com> wrote in news:XnsAE736426AB188idtokenpost@
144.76.35.252:

. Send robots, such as the solar probe. We can use VR to
experience the trip.
Click to expand...

Send me. I die... no big loss. I live, countless data tid bits on
long term life on 1/6 gravity, which likely does not destroy blood
cells or reduce bone mass. Place it in the shadow of a crater rim
wall so the sun can be accessed for power generation and heating, yet
the station itself remains out of the light or radiation.

Send up modules for expansion of the original \'station\'.
Actual useful elements come after, and there could be many.

The modules only need to be about 8 or 10 PSI to exist without a
suit. Outside excursions of course still require one.

I\'m ready. Gave it thought most of my life. I am cheap. Cheaper
than a robot even. Far cheaper than years of training for an expensive
crew. They can come after they find out the effects on me.
 
On a sunny day (Fri, 08 Apr 2022 08:55:47 -0700) it happened
jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote in
<vfm05h9bkh1c1dhs2a0r8kcnam2ki5p4kg@4ax.com>:

On Fri, 08 Apr 2022 14:43:07 GMT, Jan Panteltje
pNaonStpealmtje@yahoo.com> wrote:
We need to spread across the universe as the sun will one day engulf the earth.

Putting a few more bootprints on the moon won\'t help. NASA should do
something new and useful.
Click to expand...

Yes they should go to Mars .. Elon already has that plan.
Long ago NASA had nuclear propulsion to do the Mars trip in a few weeks
Politics and nuclear fear stopped it, greens...
Push plate nuclear existed too, small nukes detonated behind the spacecraft to push it forward.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Orion_(nuclear_propulsion)

>And why now?

I only exist now
Tomorrow never comes.


The sun isn\'t expanding very fast. Wait a few million
>years and re-evaluate the situation.

Big comet could kill us all here like it did the Dinos or so that say,
Or WW3 could...
Do not put off till tomorrow what you can do today sort of jive,
 
On 2022-04-08 17:55, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Fri, 08 Apr 2022 14:43:07 GMT, Jan Panteltje
pNaonStpealmtje@yahoo.com> wrote:

On a sunny day (Fri, 8 Apr 2022 13:50:55 -0000 (UTC)) it happened Mike Monett
spamme@not.com> wrote in <XnsAE736426AB188idtokenpost@144.76.35.252>:

Interesting to note NASA\'s Space Launch System, the first moon rocket in 50
years, weighs 10 times the Statue of Liberty.

How much does SLS weigh?

5.75 million lbs
5.75e6/2000 = 2,875 tons

NASA\'s Space Launch System, or SLS, is ... Offering the highest-ever
payload mass and volume ... feet tall, higher than the Statue of
Liberty.

How much does the Statue of Liberty weigh in total?

450,000 pounds
450e3/2000 = 225 tons

The famed Statue of Liberty, located in New York harbor was
officially dedicated on October 28, 1886. The Statue has a 35-foot
waistline and weighs 450,000 pounds. Some facts: Total overall
height from the base of the pedestal foundation to the tip of the
torch is 305 feet, 6 inches.

Which only goes to show, if you have enough thrust, you can make anything
fly.

However, the huge cost of the SLS may get the program canceled by congress:

\"Why NASA\'s Monster Moon Rocket Will Likely Be Cancelled\"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SIR7IBnpvSU

It is pointless to go to the moon. Space travel is lethal to humans. Cosmic
radiation and destruction of blood due to microgravity is fatal. Nobody is
going to travel to Mercury, Venus, Mars, Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus, Pluto, or
anywhere else.


We need to spread across the universe as the sun will one day engulf the earth.

Putting a few more bootprints on the moon won\'t help. NASA should do
something new and useful.

And why now? The sun isn\'t expanding very fast. Wait a few million
years and re-evaluate the situation.
Click to expand...

A few million? I\'m panicking! Oh wait, it\'s a few _billion_. Phew. :)

Jeroen Belleman
 
On Fri, 08 Apr 2022 19:12:39 +0200, Jeroen Belleman
<jeroen@nospam.please> wrote:

On 2022-04-08 17:55, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Fri, 08 Apr 2022 14:43:07 GMT, Jan Panteltje
pNaonStpealmtje@yahoo.com> wrote:

On a sunny day (Fri, 8 Apr 2022 13:50:55 -0000 (UTC)) it happened Mike Monett
spamme@not.com> wrote in <XnsAE736426AB188idtokenpost@144.76.35.252>:

Interesting to note NASA\'s Space Launch System, the first moon rocket in 50
years, weighs 10 times the Statue of Liberty.

How much does SLS weigh?

5.75 million lbs
5.75e6/2000 = 2,875 tons

NASA\'s Space Launch System, or SLS, is ... Offering the highest-ever
payload mass and volume ... feet tall, higher than the Statue of
Liberty.

How much does the Statue of Liberty weigh in total?

450,000 pounds
450e3/2000 = 225 tons

The famed Statue of Liberty, located in New York harbor was
officially dedicated on October 28, 1886. The Statue has a 35-foot
waistline and weighs 450,000 pounds. Some facts: Total overall
height from the base of the pedestal foundation to the tip of the
torch is 305 feet, 6 inches.

Which only goes to show, if you have enough thrust, you can make anything
fly.

However, the huge cost of the SLS may get the program canceled by congress:

\"Why NASA\'s Monster Moon Rocket Will Likely Be Cancelled\"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SIR7IBnpvSU

It is pointless to go to the moon. Space travel is lethal to humans. Cosmic
radiation and destruction of blood due to microgravity is fatal. Nobody is
going to travel to Mercury, Venus, Mars, Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus, Pluto, or
anywhere else.


We need to spread across the universe as the sun will one day engulf the earth.

Putting a few more bootprints on the moon won\'t help. NASA should do
something new and useful.

And why now? The sun isn\'t expanding very fast. Wait a few million
years and re-evaluate the situation.


A few million? I\'m panicking! Oh wait, it\'s a few _billion_. Phew. :)

Jeroen Belleman
Click to expand...

What I meant is that our science and technology will be a lot better
in a million years or so. And if we\'re extinct by then, it doesn\'t
matter.

There have been serious suggestions that we could boost Earth to a
higher orbit. We almost have the technology to do that now.

--

If a man will begin with certainties, he shall end with doubts,
but if he will be content to begin with doubts he shall end in certainties.
Francis Bacon
 
On Saturday, April 9, 2022 at 1:56:01 AM UTC+10, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Fri, 08 Apr 2022 14:43:07 GMT, Jan Panteltje
pNaonSt...@yahoo.com> wrote:

On a sunny day (Fri, 8 Apr 2022 13:50:55 -0000 (UTC)) it happened Mike Monett
spa...@not.com> wrote in <XnsAE736426AB...@144.76.35.252>:

Interesting to note NASA\'s Space Launch System, the first moon rocket in 50
years, weighs 10 times the Statue of Liberty.

How much does SLS weigh?

5.75 million lbs
5.75e6/2000 = 2,875 tons

NASA\'s Space Launch System, or SLS, is ... Offering the highest-ever
payload mass and volume ... feet tall, higher than the Statue of
Liberty.

How much does the Statue of Liberty weigh in total?

450,000 pounds
450e3/2000 = 225 tons

The famed Statue of Liberty, located in New York harbor was
officially dedicated on October 28, 1886. The Statue has a 35-foot
waistline and weighs 450,000 pounds. Some facts: Total overall
height from the base of the pedestal foundation to the tip of the
torch is 305 feet, 6 inches.

Which only goes to show, if you have enough thrust, you can make anything
fly.

However, the huge cost of the SLS may get the program canceled by congress:

\"Why NASA\'s Monster Moon Rocket Will Likely Be Cancelled\"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SIR7IBnpvSU

It is pointless to go to the moon. Space travel is lethal to humans. Cosmic
radiation and destruction of blood due to microgravity is fatal. Nobody is
going to travel to Mercury, Venus, Mars, Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus, Pluto, or
anywhere else.


We need to spread across the universe as the sun will one day engulf the earth.
Putting a few more bootprints on the moon won\'t help. NASA should do
something new and useful.
Click to expand...

I don\'t think that putting a few more bootprints on the moon is high on the list of things that they\'d tried to do if they got there.
John Larkin\'s grasp of what they might have in mind doesn\'t seem to be all that comprehensive

Using a rail gun to put a space craft into low orbit around the moon is something you could do in the moon\'s thin atmosphere.

Once you\'ve got into orbit, all sort of low thrust solutions can get you where you wan to go.

> And why now? The sun isn\'t expanding very fast. Wait a few million years and re-evaluate the situation.

About a billion years before we\'ll need to do anything energetic. The average life of a vertebrate species is about ten million years, and we should have been able to genetically engineer all sorts of variations on our genome long before then. There\'s lots of real estate on Jupiter for an organism that was well adapted to the conditions there, though there might be some competition there already.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney
 
On 08-Apr-22 11:50 pm, Mike Monett wrote:
Interesting to note NASA\'s Space Launch System, the first moon rocket in 50
years, weighs 10 times the Statue of Liberty.
Click to expand...

This is not very informative. The statue of liberty is hollow. Even an
engineer would have considerable difficulty estimating it mass without
detailed construction information.

The rest of us would have no chance.

Sylvia.
 
On Sunday, April 10, 2022 at 12:17:56 AM UTC+10, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Fri, 08 Apr 2022 16:56:47 GMT, Jan Panteltje <pNaonSt...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On a sunny day (Fri, 08 Apr 2022 08:55:47 -0700) it happened
jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote in <vfm05h9bkh1c1dhs2...@4ax.com>:
On Fri, 08 Apr 2022 14:43:07 GMT, Jan Panteltje <pNaonSt...@yahoo.com> wrote:
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<snip>

> NASA should be working on comet detection and deflection, which is arguably useful.

As indeed they are. Comets are just one of a variety of potential impacting objects.

https://www.nasa.gov/planetarydefense/neoo

> ISS could be a staging station for deflectors.

The moon would be more useful. It\'s easier to get stuff off it\'s surface, and you could probably make most of the deflecting hardware up there, eventually.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney
 
On a sunny day (Sat, 09 Apr 2022 07:17:44 -0700) it happened
jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote in
<h8535h1j3b5u12qolismpeqqcvfv1vr05a@4ax.com>:

On Fri, 08 Apr 2022 16:56:47 GMT, Jan Panteltje
pNaonStpealmtje@yahoo.com> wrote:

On a sunny day (Fri, 08 Apr 2022 08:55:47 -0700) it happened
jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote in
vfm05h9bkh1c1dhs2a0r8kcnam2ki5p4kg@4ax.com>:

On Fri, 08 Apr 2022 14:43:07 GMT, Jan Panteltje
pNaonStpealmtje@yahoo.com> wrote:
We need to spread across the universe as the sun will one day engulf the earth.

Putting a few more bootprints on the moon won\'t help. NASA should do
something new and useful.

Yes they should go to Mars .. Elon already has that plan.

Why? We have robots on Mars already.



Long ago NASA had nuclear propulsion to do the Mars trip in a few weeks
Politics and nuclear fear stopped it, greens...
Push plate nuclear existed too, small nukes detonated behind the spacecraft to push it forward.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Orion_(nuclear_propulsion)

And why now?

I only exist now
Tomorrow never comes.


The sun isn\'t expanding very fast. Wait a few million
years and re-evaluate the situation.

Big comet could kill us all here like it did the Dinos or so that say,
Or WW3 could...
Do not put off till tomorrow what you can do today sort of jive,


NASA should be working on comet detection and deflection, which is
arguably useful. ISS could be a staging station for deflectors.
Click to expand...

More likely US will use it as high security prison (from movies I have seen).
:)
 
On 4/8/22 1:21 PM, John Larkin wrote:
On Fri, 08 Apr 2022 19:12:39 +0200, Jeroen Belleman
jeroen@nospam.please> wrote:

On 2022-04-08 17:55, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Fri, 08 Apr 2022 14:43:07 GMT, Jan Panteltje
pNaonStpealmtje@yahoo.com> wrote:

On a sunny day (Fri, 8 Apr 2022 13:50:55 -0000 (UTC)) it happened Mike Monett
spamme@not.com> wrote in <XnsAE736426AB188idtokenpost@144.76.35.252>:

Interesting to note NASA\'s Space Launch System, the first moon rocket in 50
years, weighs 10 times the Statue of Liberty.

How much does SLS weigh?

5.75 million lbs
5.75e6/2000 = 2,875 tons

NASA\'s Space Launch System, or SLS, is ... Offering the highest-ever
payload mass and volume ... feet tall, higher than the Statue of
Liberty.

How much does the Statue of Liberty weigh in total?

450,000 pounds
450e3/2000 = 225 tons

The famed Statue of Liberty, located in New York harbor was
officially dedicated on October 28, 1886. The Statue has a 35-foot
waistline and weighs 450,000 pounds. Some facts: Total overall
height from the base of the pedestal foundation to the tip of the
torch is 305 feet, 6 inches.

Which only goes to show, if you have enough thrust, you can make anything
fly.

However, the huge cost of the SLS may get the program canceled by congress:

\"Why NASA\'s Monster Moon Rocket Will Likely Be Cancelled\"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SIR7IBnpvSU

It is pointless to go to the moon. Space travel is lethal to humans. Cosmic
radiation and destruction of blood due to microgravity is fatal. Nobody is
going to travel to Mercury, Venus, Mars, Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus, Pluto, or
anywhere else.


We need to spread across the universe as the sun will one day engulf the earth.

Putting a few more bootprints on the moon won\'t help. NASA should do
something new and useful.

And why now? The sun isn\'t expanding very fast. Wait a few million
years and re-evaluate the situation.


A few million? I\'m panicking! Oh wait, it\'s a few _billion_. Phew. :)

Jeroen Belleman

What I meant is that our science and technology will be a lot better
in a million years or so. And if we\'re extinct by then, it doesn\'t
matter.

There have been serious suggestions that we could boost Earth to a
higher orbit. We almost have the technology to do that now.
Click to expand...

Well, fusion power has been 30 years out for what, 60 years now? ;)

Even with a very large fusion-powered rocket motor, it would be
challenging to do it without ejecting the atmosphere as well.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

--
Dr Philip C D Hobbs
Principal Consultant
ElectroOptical Innovations LLC / Hobbs ElectroOptics
Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics
Briarcliff Manor NY 10510

http://electrooptical.net
https://hobbs-eo.com
 
On April 9, Phil Hobbs wrote:
There have been serious suggestions that we could boost Earth to a
higher orbit. We almost have the technology to do that now.

Even with a very large fusion-powered rocket motor, it would be
challenging to do it without ejecting the atmosphere as well.
Click to expand...

We\'d need to do some serious magma pumping for the expulsion
material. But maybe in a billion years, Mother Nature will tire of
those annoying momentum conservation constraints -

Anyhow, a better idea is to deflect a few comet orbits into the earth -
bumper cars have inspired many an engineer -
But owners of beachfront property would probably whine about
that solution.

So why not a gravity slingshot? Deflect some comets and
asteroids into nearby orbits. Humanity saved by hydrogen bombs!

--
Rich
 
On Sat, 9 Apr 2022 13:50:57 -0400, Phil Hobbs
<pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote:

On 4/8/22 1:21 PM, John Larkin wrote:
On Fri, 08 Apr 2022 19:12:39 +0200, Jeroen Belleman
jeroen@nospam.please> wrote:

On 2022-04-08 17:55, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Fri, 08 Apr 2022 14:43:07 GMT, Jan Panteltje
pNaonStpealmtje@yahoo.com> wrote:

On a sunny day (Fri, 8 Apr 2022 13:50:55 -0000 (UTC)) it happened Mike Monett
spamme@not.com> wrote in <XnsAE736426AB188idtokenpost@144.76.35.252>:

Interesting to note NASA\'s Space Launch System, the first moon rocket in 50
years, weighs 10 times the Statue of Liberty.

How much does SLS weigh?

5.75 million lbs
5.75e6/2000 = 2,875 tons

NASA\'s Space Launch System, or SLS, is ... Offering the highest-ever
payload mass and volume ... feet tall, higher than the Statue of
Liberty.

How much does the Statue of Liberty weigh in total?

450,000 pounds
450e3/2000 = 225 tons

The famed Statue of Liberty, located in New York harbor was
officially dedicated on October 28, 1886. The Statue has a 35-foot
waistline and weighs 450,000 pounds. Some facts: Total overall
height from the base of the pedestal foundation to the tip of the
torch is 305 feet, 6 inches.

Which only goes to show, if you have enough thrust, you can make anything
fly.

However, the huge cost of the SLS may get the program canceled by congress:

\"Why NASA\'s Monster Moon Rocket Will Likely Be Cancelled\"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SIR7IBnpvSU

It is pointless to go to the moon. Space travel is lethal to humans. Cosmic
radiation and destruction of blood due to microgravity is fatal. Nobody is
going to travel to Mercury, Venus, Mars, Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus, Pluto, or
anywhere else.


We need to spread across the universe as the sun will one day engulf the earth.

Putting a few more bootprints on the moon won\'t help. NASA should do
something new and useful.

And why now? The sun isn\'t expanding very fast. Wait a few million
years and re-evaluate the situation.


A few million? I\'m panicking! Oh wait, it\'s a few _billion_. Phew. :)

Jeroen Belleman

What I meant is that our science and technology will be a lot better
in a million years or so. And if we\'re extinct by then, it doesn\'t
matter.

There have been serious suggestions that we could boost Earth to a
higher orbit. We almost have the technology to do that now.


Well, fusion power has been 30 years out for what, 60 years now? ;)

Even with a very large fusion-powered rocket motor, it would be
challenging to do it without ejecting the atmosphere as well.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs
Click to expand...

The idea is to nudge a rock to swing past a bigger rock in the
asteroid belt. Do that a bunch of times and eventually swing an
asteroid in a hyperbolic loop past earth and transfer some momentum.
Do that for a million years or whatever.

That would take very little energy, just a good aim.

--

If a man will begin with certainties, he shall end with doubts,
but if he will be content to begin with doubts he shall end in certainties.
Francis Bacon
 
John Larkin wrote:
On Sat, 9 Apr 2022 13:50:57 -0400, Phil Hobbs
pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote:

On 4/8/22 1:21 PM, John Larkin wrote:
On Fri, 08 Apr 2022 19:12:39 +0200, Jeroen Belleman
jeroen@nospam.please> wrote:

On 2022-04-08 17:55, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Fri, 08 Apr 2022 14:43:07 GMT, Jan Panteltje
pNaonStpealmtje@yahoo.com> wrote:

On a sunny day (Fri, 8 Apr 2022 13:50:55 -0000 (UTC)) it happened Mike Monett
spamme@not.com> wrote in <XnsAE736426AB188idtokenpost@144.76.35.252>:

Interesting to note NASA\'s Space Launch System, the first moon rocket in 50
years, weighs 10 times the Statue of Liberty.

How much does SLS weigh?

5.75 million lbs
5.75e6/2000 = 2,875 tons

NASA\'s Space Launch System, or SLS, is ... Offering the highest-ever
payload mass and volume ... feet tall, higher than the Statue of
Liberty.

How much does the Statue of Liberty weigh in total?

450,000 pounds
450e3/2000 = 225 tons

The famed Statue of Liberty, located in New York harbor was
officially dedicated on October 28, 1886. The Statue has a 35-foot
waistline and weighs 450,000 pounds. Some facts: Total overall
height from the base of the pedestal foundation to the tip of the
torch is 305 feet, 6 inches.

Which only goes to show, if you have enough thrust, you can make anything
fly.

However, the huge cost of the SLS may get the program canceled by congress:

\"Why NASA\'s Monster Moon Rocket Will Likely Be Cancelled\"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SIR7IBnpvSU

It is pointless to go to the moon. Space travel is lethal to humans. Cosmic
radiation and destruction of blood due to microgravity is fatal. Nobody is
going to travel to Mercury, Venus, Mars, Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus, Pluto, or
anywhere else.


We need to spread across the universe as the sun will one day engulf the earth.

Putting a few more bootprints on the moon won\'t help. NASA should do
something new and useful.

And why now? The sun isn\'t expanding very fast. Wait a few million
years and re-evaluate the situation.


A few million? I\'m panicking! Oh wait, it\'s a few _billion_. Phew. :)

Jeroen Belleman

What I meant is that our science and technology will be a lot better
in a million years or so. And if we\'re extinct by then, it doesn\'t
matter.

There have been serious suggestions that we could boost Earth to a
higher orbit. We almost have the technology to do that now.


Well, fusion power has been 30 years out for what, 60 years now? ;)

Even with a very large fusion-powered rocket motor, it would be
challenging to do it without ejecting the atmosphere as well.


The idea is to nudge a rock to swing past a bigger rock in the
asteroid belt. Do that a bunch of times and eventually swing an
asteroid in a hyperbolic loop past earth and transfer some momentum.
Do that for a million years or whatever.

That would take very little energy, just a good aim.
Click to expand...

Nope. The main asteroid belt orbits are several times further out than
the Earth\'s, so you have to get rid of most of the asteroid\'s kinetic
energy if you want to get its angular momentum low enough for it to
reach the orbit of the Earth.

Even then, I seriously doubt there\'s enough mass in the asteroid belt to
do much to the Earth\'s orbit.

This paper
<https://www.cambridge.org/core/services/aop-cambridge-core/content/view/S1743921315008388>
claims that the main asteroid belt has a mass of 1.2E-9 of the Sun\'s.

The solar mass is 2E30 kg, so the asteroid belt\'s is 2.4e21 kg. The
Earth\'s is 6e24 kg, so the ratio of the total mass of the asteroid belt
to that of the Earth is

ratio = 2.4e21 kg / 6e24 kg = 0.0004.

One can do orbital mechanics till one is blue in the face, and never
figure out a way to make the Earth\'s orbit grow by an amount more than a
few times that 400 ppm number.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

--
Dr Philip C D Hobbs
Principal Consultant
ElectroOptical Innovations LLC / Hobbs ElectroOptics
Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics
Briarcliff Manor NY 10510

http://electrooptical.net
http://hobbs-eo.com
 
Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote:

John Larkin wrote:
On Sat, 9 Apr 2022 13:50:57 -0400, Phil Hobbs
pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote:
[...]
Click to expand...

Nope. The main asteroid belt orbits are several times further out than
the Earth\'s, so you have to get rid of most of the asteroid\'s kinetic
energy if you want to get its angular momentum low enough for it to
reach the orbit of the Earth.

Even then, I seriously doubt there\'s enough mass in the asteroid belt to
do much to the Earth\'s orbit.

This paper
https://www.cambridge.org/core/services/aop-cambridge-core/content/view/
S1743921315008388> claims that the main asteroid belt has a mass of
1.2E-9 of the Sun\'s.

The solar mass is 2E30 kg, so the asteroid belt\'s is 2.4e21 kg. The
Earth\'s is 6e24 kg, so the ratio of the total mass of the asteroid belt
to that of the Earth is

ratio = 2.4e21 kg / 6e24 kg = 0.0004.

One can do orbital mechanics till one is blue in the face, and never
figure out a way to make the Earth\'s orbit grow by an amount more than a
few times that 400 ppm number.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs
Click to expand...

You also have to include the moon. This is needed to stabilize the Earth\'s
spin. Quote:

\"The Moon keeps the Earth from wobbling violently as it spins. “Without the
Moon the tilt of the Earth\'s axis would vary more, with potentially strong
climatic effects,” says Aksnes. With no moon as a stabilizer, the Earth
would sometimes tilt all the way over and lie on its side in relation to
its orbit around the Sun.\"

https://sciencenorway.no/forskningno-norway-planets/what-would-we-do-
without-the-moon/1433295

Perpetual daylight or darkness would have some effect on global warming and
climate.



--
MRM
 
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