Skill mode for emacs

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There is a lot of talk of Skill mode for emacs (and I even had it
once) but I can no longer find it anywhere. Does anyone know of
somewhere I can get hold of it?

Thanks,

Phil.
 
On 13 Apr 2007 05:35:56 -0700, phil.jones2000@googlemail.com wrote:

There is a lot of talk of Skill mode for emacs (and I even had it
once) but I can no longer find it anywhere. Does anyone know of
somewhere I can get hold of it?

Thanks,

Phil.
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Phil,

I'll email it to you.

Andrew.
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Andrew Beckett
Principal European Technology Leader
Cadence Design Systems, UK.
 
On Apr 17, 10:06 am, Andrew Beckett <andr...@DcEaLdEeTnEcTe.HcIoSm>
wrote:
On 13 Apr 2007 05:35:56 -0700, phil.jones2...@googlemail.com wrote:

There is a lot of talk of Skill mode for emacs (and I even had it
once) but I can no longer find it anywhere. Does anyone know of
somewhere I can get hold of it?

Thanks,

Phil.

Phil,

I'll email it to you.

Andrew.
Is this available for download somewhere? If not, could you send a
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copy my way as well?

Thanks,
Aravind
 
On May 3, 12:09 pm, aravind vijayakumar <ara...@gmail.com> wrote:
Is this available for download somewhere? If not, could you send a
copy my way as well?
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Could anybody who has the skill-mode.el check the license or the EULA
of the code? It must be possible to find out if this thing can be put
on a web page somewhere.
--
Svenn
 
On 4 May 2007 02:10:58 -0700, Svenn Are Bjerkem <svenn.bjerkem@googlemail.com>
wrote:

On May 3, 12:09 pm, aravind vijayakumar <ara...@gmail.com> wrote:
Is this available for download somewhere? If not, could you send a
copy my way as well?

Could anybody who has the skill-mode.el check the license or the EULA
of the code? It must be possible to find out if this thing can be put
on a web page somewhere.
Click to expand...
Unfortunately there's nothing in any of the files to indicate any kind of
license. As a result, I've been wary about posting it somewhere, but I have
given it to anyone who has asked.

Andrew.
--
Andrew Beckett
Principal European Technology Leader
Cadence Design Systems, UK.
 
On May 8, 10:08 pm, Andrew Beckett <andr...@DcEaLdEeTnEcTe.HcIoSm>
wrote:
On 4 May 2007 02:10:58 -0700, Svenn Are Bjerkem <svenn.bjer...@googlemail.com
wrote:

On May 3, 12:09 pm, aravind vijayakumar <ara...@gmail.com> wrote:
Is this available for download somewhere? If not, could you send a
copy my way as well?

Could anybody who has the skill-mode.el check the license or the EULA
of the code? It must be possible to find out if this thing can be put
on a web page somewhere.

Unfortunately there's nothing in any of the files to indicate any kind of
license. As a result, I've been wary about posting it somewhere, but I have
given it to anyone who has asked.
Click to expand...
Hi Andrew,

but there must be a copyright holder of that code? You know who that
is? Maybe a little email could clear some things? I could volunteer to
ask.

--
Svenn
 
On May 9, 10:55 am, Svenn Are Bjerkem <svenn.bjer...@googlemail.com>
wrote:
On May 8, 10:08 pm, Andrew Beckett <andr...@DcEaLdEeTnEcTe.HcIoSm
wrote:

On 4 May 2007 02:10:58 -0700, Svenn Are Bjerkem <svenn.bjer...@googlemail.com
wrote:

On May 3, 12:09 pm,aravindvijayakumar <ara...@gmail.com> wrote:
Is this available for download somewhere? If not, could you send a
copy my way as well?

Could anybody who has the skill-mode.el check the license or the EULA
of the code? It must be possible to find out if this thing can be put
on a web page somewhere.

Unfortunately there's nothing in any of the files to indicate any kind of
license
.. As a result, I've been wary about posting it somewhere, but I have
given it to anyone who has asked.

Hi Andrew,

but there must be a copyright holder of that code? You know who that
is? Maybe a little email could clear some things? I could volunteer to
ask.

--
Svenn
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Thanks Andrew, got the package. The code seems to have originated from
Ericsson -- skill-defaults.el has the following:

(defvar skill-mode-maintainer-address "erajonj@kieras90a.ericsson.se"
"Email address to the skill-mode maintainer.")

(defvar skill-mode-maintainer-name
"Jonas Jarnestrom, Stockholm Sweden."
"Name and organization of skill-mode maintainer.")

The code also lists etxjojm@eua.ericsson.se as another email address
for the same person. Further, the file ANNOUNCEMENT lists an ftp
server euagate.eua.ericsson.se, but that's apparently not a publicly
visible machine (or may be non-existent, seeing as the code dates from
1996). I was thinking I could mail those two addresses to see what the
licensing policy is, as well as to see if we could get the source .el
files (provided, of course, that the addresses are still valid). If
Andrew would rather do that as a Cadence representative, I'm happy to
wait -- let me know!

Regards,
-Aravind
 
On 9 Mai, 11:39, aravind vijayakumar <ara...@gmail.com> wrote:
The code also lists etxj...@eua.ericsson.se as another email address
for the same person. Further, the file ANNOUNCEMENT lists an ftp
server euagate.eua.ericsson.se, but that's apparently not a publicly
visible machine (or may be non-existent, seeing as the code dates from
1996). I was thinking I could mail those two addresses to see what the
licensing policy is, as well as to see if we could get the source .el
files (provided, of course, that the addresses are still valid). If
Andrew would rather do that as a Cadence representative, I'm happy to
wait -- let me know!
Click to expand...
Argh, looks like the typical utility that got written during work to
make work easier, and in the end nobody knows what to do with the
code. There's definitively copyright on it and in this case, an
employer is involved. Probably not easy to get GPL on that one, I
think. I don't know what Cadence could/would do to help out in this
case.

Has anybody needed to do any mods on the code to make it "work
better"? Maybe I should just send Andrew an email to get the code ...

--
Svenn
 
On May 9, 3:36 pm, Svenn Are Bjerkem <svenn.bjer...@googlemail.com>
wrote:
On 9 Mai, 11:39,aravindvijayakumar <ara...@gmail.com> wrote:

The code also lists etxj...@eua.ericsson.se as another email address
for the same person. Further, the file ANNOUNCEMENT lists an ftp
server euagate.eua.ericsson.se, but that's apparently not a publicly
visible machine (or may be non-existent, seeing as the code dates from
1996). I was thinking I could mail those two addresses to see what the
licensing policy is, as well as to see if we could get the source .el
files (provided, of course, that the addresses are still valid). If
Andrew would rather do that as a Cadence representative, I'm happy to
wait -- let me know!

Argh, looks like the typical utility that got written during work to
make work easier, and in the end nobody knows what to do with the
code. There's definitively copyright on it and in this case, an
employer is involved. Probably not easy to get GPL on that one, I
think. I don't know what Cadence could/would do to help out in this
case.

Has anybody needed to do any mods on the code to make it "work
better"? Maybe I should just send Andrew an email to get the code ...

--
Svenn
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Turns out I hadn't noticed the rather clearly labeled SKILL-MODE-
MANUAL.ps -- the author indicates that the work was done on an unpaid
basis on his own time, and actually provides info for accepting
donations. This would seem to indicate that Ericsson would probably
not be involved.

On the other hand, I'm having problems with the font-lock :( I guess
I'll temporarily just use lisp-mode or emacs-lisp-mode to get some
basic font lock and indentation, and come back to this when I have
more time. Having the full source would also help. Will mail the
author and see what the response is.

-Aravind
 
On 9 May 2007 04:31:52 -0700, aravind vijayakumar <aravnd@gmail.com> wrote:

On May 9, 3:36 pm, Svenn Are Bjerkem <svenn.bjer...@googlemail.com
wrote:
On 9 Mai, 11:39,aravindvijayakumar <ara...@gmail.com> wrote:

The code also lists etxj...@eua.ericsson.se as another email address
for the same person. Further, the file ANNOUNCEMENT lists an ftp
server euagate.eua.ericsson.se, but that's apparently not a publicly
visible machine (or may be non-existent, seeing as the code dates from
1996). I was thinking I could mail those two addresses to see what the
licensing policy is, as well as to see if we could get the source .el
files (provided, of course, that the addresses are still valid). If
Andrew would rather do that as a Cadence representative, I'm happy to
wait -- let me know!

Argh, looks like the typical utility that got written during work to
make work easier, and in the end nobody knows what to do with the
code. There's definitively copyright on it and in this case, an
employer is involved. Probably not easy to get GPL on that one, I
think. I don't know what Cadence could/would do to help out in this
case.

Has anybody needed to do any mods on the code to make it "work
better"? Maybe I should just send Andrew an email to get the code ...

--
Svenn

Turns out I hadn't noticed the rather clearly labeled SKILL-MODE-
MANUAL.ps -- the author indicates that the work was done on an unpaid
basis on his own time, and actually provides info for accepting
donations. This would seem to indicate that Ericsson would probably
not be involved.

On the other hand, I'm having problems with the font-lock :( I guess
I'll temporarily just use lisp-mode or emacs-lisp-mode to get some
basic font lock and indentation, and come back to this when I have
more time. Having the full source would also help. Will mail the
author and see what the response is.

-Aravind
Click to expand...
As far as I know, the author has not been at Ericsson for some time, and
no longer uses Cadence tools. So good luck in contacting him.

This is most of the problem... nobody has the source, and (from my
understanding) some tentative discussions about Cadence adopting it fell apart
over 10 years ago.

Regards,

Andrew.
--
Andrew Beckett
Principal European Technology Leader
Cadence Design Systems, UK.
 
On May 13, 12:14 pm, Andrew Beckett <andr...@DcEaLdEeTnEcTe.HcIoSm>
wrote:
On 9 May 2007 04:31:52 -0700, aravind vijayakumar <ara...@gmail.com> wrote:



On May 9, 3:36 pm, Svenn Are Bjerkem <svenn.bjer...@googlemail.com
wrote:
On 9 Mai, 11:39,aravindvijayakumar <ara...@gmail.com> wrote:

The code also lists etxj...@eua.ericsson.se as another email address
for the same person. Further, the file ANNOUNCEMENT lists an ftp
server euagate.eua.ericsson.se, but that's apparently not a publicly
visible machine (or may be non-existent, seeing as the code dates from
1996). I was thinking I could mail those two addresses to see what the
licensing policy is, as well as to see if we could get the source .el
files (provided, of course, that the addresses are still valid). If
Andrew would rather do that as a Cadence representative, I'm happy to
wait -- let me know!

Argh, looks like the typical utility that got written during work to
make work easier, and in the end nobody knows what to do with the
code. There's definitively copyright on it and in this case, an
employer is involved. Probably not easy to get GPL on that one, I
think. I don't know what Cadence could/would do to help out in this
case.

Has anybody needed to do any mods on the code to make it "work
better"? Maybe I should just send Andrew an email to get the code ...

--
Svenn

Turns out I hadn't noticed the rather clearly labeled SKILL-MODE-
MANUAL.ps -- the author indicates that the work was done on an unpaid
basis on his own time, and actually provides info for accepting
donations. This would seem to indicate that Ericsson would probably
not be involved.

On the other hand, I'm having problems with the font-lock :( I guess
I'll temporarily just use lisp-mode or emacs-lisp-mode to get some
basic font lock and indentation, and come back to this when I have
more time. Having the full source would also help. Will mail the
author and see what the response is.

-Aravind

As far as I know, the author has not been at Ericsson for some time, and
no longer uses Cadence tools. So good luck in contacting him.
Click to expand...
Did ever copyright laws consider socalled "abandonware?" I guess it
wouldn't help in this case as the source is missing.

This is most of the problem... nobody has the source, and (from my
understanding) some tentative discussions about Cadence adopting it fell apart
over 10 years ago.
Click to expand...
I just want to throw in a question here: How about a skill mode (or
plug-in) for eclipse? Anybody thought of that?
--
Svenn
 
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